From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #18 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 16 1998 Volume 07 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jan 28th ["Matthew Knights" ] RE: Jan 28th [firstcat@lsli.com] RE: G.LOVE [lj lindhurst ] RE: Jan 28th [Eb ] Re: G.LOVE [jeffery vaska ] RE: G.LOVE [kenster@MIT.EDU (desperado)] Re: album names, ice [Tom Clark ] Re: album names, ice [Jason Thornton ] Re: G.LOVE [Tom Clark ] Antman Barbeau in SF [SydneyC33 ] Re: album names, ice [Eb ] the 80's and eno [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] it came from the early 80's...in cars. [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)] Thoth apparition [Russ Reynolds ] Re: the 80's and eno [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: album names, ice [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] The 80s [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] roy harper [squeaky watson ] RE: Plagiarism and those 80's [Nos Ferraatu ] Re: the 80's and eno [John Barrington Jones ] playing catch up with Robyn and Feg-Digests [twofangs/randi spiegel ] Re: G.LOVE [Dave Librik ] Re: roy harper [Dave Librik ] Re: Combat Schlock ["Chris, the missing years." ] Re: Combat Schlock [John Barrington Jones ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:42:58 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Jan 28th I hear G Love & Special Sauce are playing the Jazz Cafe on the 28th. They were on TV a year ago and I was impressed. I know it's the same night that Robyn plays the 12 Bar but, fortunately, Robyn's playing a week earlier as well so I think I'll go and see them. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 09:10:30 From: firstcat@lsli.com Subject: RE: Jan 28th I saw G Love do a spectacular in store performance two years ago. The store provided free beer and pizza.... ....unfortunately he opened for another band later that night and really sucked.... - --- On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:42:58 -0000 Matthew Knights wrote: >I hear G Love & Special Sauce are playing the Jazz Cafe on the 28th. They >were on TV a year ago and I was impressed. I know it's the same night that >Robyn plays the 12 Bar but, fortunately, Robyn's playing a week earlier as >well so I think I'll go and see them. > >Matt >_________________________________________________________________ > Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk >`Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' >_________________________________________________________________ > - -----------------End of Original Message----------------- - ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 1/15/98 No man is an island unless his name is Madagascar. - ------------------------------------- Brought to you by The Upper Left Light Corporation, illuminating virtual buttons and boxes from the upper left since 1988. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: RE: G.LOVE nights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk> wrote: > >>I hear G Love & Special Sauce are playing the Jazz Cafe on the 28th. They >>were on TV a year ago and I was impressed. I know it's the same night that >>Robyn plays the 12 Bar but, fortunately, Robyn's playing a week earlier as >>well so I think I'll go and see them. Does anyone else have the new G.Love album, _Yeah, it's That Easy_? I've got it, and I think it's GREAT. Very listenable, very low-key, very R&B-sounding, but with an intriguingly different vibe. A good record to play at parties, if nothing else. I have, however, read several reviews that totally panned it. One particularly snotty reviewer said she was cringing imagining frat boys all across America playing this record right after they got done playing Soul Coughing. Is that snotty or what? I hate frat boys as much as the next geek, but geez, let them listen to some music. (and what's wrong with Soul Coughing? THEY RULE!) G. Love's first album is quite good as well- that's the one that has "Cold Beverages" on it. I've seen them (well, him) several times live, and they are incredible. I heard that they won't record their albums in the studio, that they insist on a live recording because that's the essence of their performance. I don't know if that's true or not...anyone? your friend, Don Henley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:41:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Jan 28th Forget about January 28th...it's January 29th you should be worrying about. It's Claudine Longet's birthday! ;) Putting on my black tie, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:39:51 -0800 From: jeffery vaska Subject: Re: G.LOVE lj lindhurst wrote: > I have, however, read several reviews that totally panned it. One > particularly snotty reviewer said she was cringing imagining frat boys all > across America playing this record right after they got done playing Soul > Coughing. Is that snotty or what? I hate frat boys as much as the next > geek, but geez, let them listen to some music. (and what's wrong with Soul > Coughing? THEY RULE!) i think that all of these wagner power haters need to just get together, turn off their hate spreading ways and use a rake or something for awhile. the motion is completely the opposite as you kneed the rubbish back to your own feet to a lamenting, personal work lullabye. but you have to admit that anything "frat boys" play is pretty much crap right? huh...? way back in 1997 the first time i heard the frat house down the street from my college apartment cranking RUSH - "2112", i pretty much wrote that band off for good - geewiz. WHY would anybody listen to a critic if they have their own tastes, opinions and personal likes???? did i actually make a point...? ciao... jeffery (no i am not a frat boy myself and yes i am feeling a bit bored right now) vaska ps: is robyn best with red or white wine...? and which cheese is most appropriate? do we have any robyn/food preferences out there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:19:00 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (desperado) Subject: RE: G.LOVE >Does anyone else have the new G.Love album, _Yeah, it's That Easy_? I've >got it, and I think it's GREAT. Very listenable, very low-key, very >R&B-sounding, but with an intriguingly different vibe. A good record to >play at parties, if nothing else. i wasn't thrilled with the sophomore effort _coast to coast motel_. ended up selling it for food. i didn't even realize that 'steppin' stone' was gooey with the special sauce. if you liked the first album, you'll like this one. when those sultry grooves were used with considerable success to seduce me, i just had to out and get it for myself so i could feel groovy all the time. try it! >I have, however, read several reviews that totally panned it. One >particularly snotty reviewer said she was cringing imagining frat boys all >across America playing this record right after they got done playing Soul >Coughing. Is that snotty or what? I hate frat boys as much as the next >geek, but geez, let them listen to some music. (and what's wrong with Soul >Coughing? THEY RULE!) that's like condemning robyn because he has fans like us. someone should tell the snotty reviewer to stop going to frat parties. >G. Love's first album is quite good as well- that's the one that has "Cold >Beverages" on it. I've seen them (well, him) several times live, and they >are incredible. I heard that they won't record their albums in the studio, >that they insist on a live recording because that's the essence of their >performance. I don't know if that's true or not...anyone? i can only vouch for the fact that the live performance i saw has the same sound and feel of the album. g. love is cooler than cool with his sideburns, sequined suit, and pleather shoes. the rhythm section has a real jazzy sound to it. hey, drummer jeff clemens also worked on charlie musselwhite's new album. think of the six degrees of whatever combinations... >your friend, >Don Henley watch out for mojo nixon! KEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:49:13 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: album names, ice On 1/14/98 9:24 PM, Dave Librik wrote: >If album names were required by law to be unique, we'd be in deep trouble >trying to figure out who owns the rights and the royalties to all records >called "Live". And "Greatest Hits"! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:48:01 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: album names, ice At 10:49 AM 1/15/98 -0800, Tom Clark wrote: >>If album names were required by law to be unique, we'd be in deep trouble >>trying to figure out who owns the rights and the royalties to all records >>called "Live". > >And "Greatest Hits"! Or "Eponymous," for that matter. ;) - -- Jason R. Thornton // Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson "...the Year 2000 won't change anyone here" - Morrissey, _Reader Meet Author_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 13:21:24 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: G.LOVE On 12/16/97 12:39 PM, jeffery vaska wrote: >ps: is robyn best with red or white wine...? and which cheese is most >appropriate? do we have any robyn/food preferences out there? A long red bottle of wine is most appropriate, especially while listening to Invisible Hitchcock. Nothing too heavy, though - perhaps Pinot Noir. Match that with a plate of sliced apples and pears (that have fallen from the trees), and an alarming selection of cheeses. Oh, and a plate of tomatoes for the cat. word up H.R. PuffNDaddyStuff! - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Cheez Whiz is not something you eat... It's something you see a urologist for." - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:20:08 EST From: SydneyC33 Subject: Antman Barbeau in SF Nick endorses: << Feg albums of the year? May I recommend yet again: Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark "Monday's Lunch" Anton Barbeau "Waterbugs and Beetles" James Dignan "Partial Rapture Theory" >> And speaking of Anton Barbeau... I thought I'd alert Bay Fegs and others that Anton will be playing in San Franciso at The Brain Wash (7th and Folsom?) on Saturday, January 24th, around 10ish. Here's the best part...IT'S FREE! :) He would have indulged in his own shameless self-promotion, but he's temporarily computerless. A moment of silence for Anton, please... Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it. If I were going to be in town, I'd volunteer to be the social coordinator for the Fegevent(tm). But in any case, we need to get something on the calendar soon, eh? If it weren't for Nick's FegFoto Page, I'd forget what Tom and Russ look like. Perhaps we should crash a Mark Gloster gig? Shall we pull some frequent flyer miles out of the hat and get to a James Dignan gig? Don't worry James- we'll bring sleeping bags. ;) BTW... "Waterbugs & Beetles" is great, and when you're in the mood for something lighter, less filling, try "The Horse's Tongue". AND... the new one, "Nobody Adores A Vacuum", is due out soon. Cheers, my dears... Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:37:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: album names, ice >At 10:49 AM 1/15/98 -0800, Tom Clark wrote: > >>>If album names were required by law to be unique, we'd be in deep trouble >>>trying to figure out who owns the rights and the royalties to all records >>>called "Live". >> >>And "Greatest Hits"! > >Or "Eponymous," for that matter. ;) Or "Chicago." ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:39:57 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: the 80's and eno On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:25:19 -0500, you wrote: > >What I like about the 90s is that I hear more good songs on the radio, >whether in Chicago or Montgomery. I don't remember the same being true = in >the 80s: To find good rock n' roll, one had to search, but oh was it = worth >it. Like Eb and Ken have noted, great music was being made in the 80s, >but I don't recall hearing much of it on the radio. Still, I think the >best of "alternative" rock will always be found in the 80s. >- --Andy > >> >Any decade with Elvis Costello, Foetus, Husker Du, Kate Bush, Camper = Van >> >Beethoven, Minutemen, Nick Cave, Pere Ubu, Peter Gabriel, REM, Sonic = Youth, >> >Talking Heads, Prince, the Pogues, the Replacements, Tom Waits, XTC = and >> >that Hitchcock guy can't be all bad.... > >> mekons, clash, police, u2, smiths, throwing muses, cure, = duran, >> pixies, new order, joy division, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, >> firehose, simple minds, jesus & mary chain, inxs, bongwater, dinosaur = jr., >> waterboys, pretenders, b-52's, blue aeroplanes, midnight oil, = godfathers, >> springsteen, lou reed, david bowie, billy bragg, suzanne vega, = jonathan >> richman, paul simon, frank zappa, neil young, julian cope, maria = mckee, >> george clinton, public enemy, beastie boys, fishbone, that petrol = emotion, >> jazz butcher... Don't forget the work that Richard Thompson fellow was doing during the 80's...or X, or American Music CLub (NOT culture club :-)), or King Crimson mark 2 with Adrian Belew... Ya know, a common link between a lot of the best music of the ronald ray-gun years was brian eno. think about the people he worked with/ influenced: Talking heads, U2, david bowie, tangerine dream, robert fripp, brian ferry.... can you think of any more? Also, how would an album of uncle bobby produced by eno sound? -luther w dudich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:33:42 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther) Subject: it came from the early 80's...in cars. On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:25:19 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:38:35 EST >From: MARKEEFE >Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) > > While Eb and Mark mentioned a lot of the consistently great = artists and >bands that are wrothy of enduring beyond the current 80's-retro phase = (Robyn, >Kate, Heads, Prince, Smiths, etc.), I think the best part of the 80's = music >scene was the slew of forgettable (or hopelessly unforgettable) new = wavey pop >songs that filled up the airwaves in the pioneering days of MTV. This = might >only be appreciable by someone who happened to be around 13 or so at the= time, >but I think that the early 80's gave us some of the most daring pop = music >ever. And, when I say daring, I'm talking about a "closing your eyes = and >jumping out of the plane" kind of daring. From the sound of it, most of= these >artists didn't know what the hell they were doing. They were just = plugging in >their keyboards, drum machines and effects boxes and going for it -- the >weirder the outcome, the better. Sure, by 1984, it had all gotten = pretty >crass and calculated, but, for a few years there, some embarassingly = beautiful >(or beautifully embarassing?) music was made.=20 So, you are saying Gary Numan and Flock of Seagulls were pure genius.... Ok, I admit to being a closet Numan fan, but I don't know if I agree with the rest... :-) -luther w dudich (who, at 24, is a member of generation X (not fu#king "generation next"- I don't even drink sodas!)) In my book, "indie rock" >doesn't even come close (with a very few notable exceptions, of course = - -- >Pavement, etc.). Then again, if I were 19 (or 45), I'd probably see = things >differently. > >- -----Michael K. (who's 28. . . cuz you were just dyin' to know ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:33:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Thoth apparition turned on the lights in my studio this morning and what should appear on the wall but an eerie likeness of the thoth! Naysayers will claim it is the shadow cast by a flood light in the path of another flood light, but true believers know it is a sign from above. Hitchcock shall rise again in 1998! I tried to snap a picture with the digital camera but it's too dark, and of course the shadow disappears when you use a flash. So you'll all just have to flock to our studios and worship in person. People in the building have been freaking out when they see it! - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:58:13 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: the 80's and eno > Ya know, a common link between a lot of the best music of the >ronald ray-gun years was brian eno. > think about the people he worked with/ influenced: Talking >heads, U2, david bowie, tangerine dream, robert fripp, brian ferry.... > can you think of any more? John Cale, John Cale, John Cale. Roxy Music (though I suppose with Ferry you covered that base, though I'd count it as a bit of a separate entity). John Cale. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:53:38 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: album names, ice >Or "Chicago." ;) Well actually, as I'm sure you know Eb, they got into a bit of trouble with their original name, "Chicago Transit Authority" and had to change it to oblige the folks at that organization. Though in a way they've had the last laugh, as there is a hot dog stand near an El stop (I believe in the Belmont area- help me here, Jay, if you know) right under the track, which is a shrine to Chicago and has a bunch of signed album covers, copies of gold records, &c. Anyways....... Recently browsing through a bin of (2! 2! 2 for 1!) import cutouts at an otherwise un-noteworthy Coconuts, I came across a Roy Harper album on Griffin Music (a subsidiary of Gopaco, Inc., supposedly with a branch in Chicago although I have never heard of them in my life) called "Unhinged", which says "originally released in the UK as 'Born in Captivity'". I've only listened once but actually my initial impression (don't hit me! :)) was that it reminded me of a stranger and more idiosyncratic Luka Bloom. I'm sure more will be revealed as time goes on. What other albums by him should I try to keep an eye out for, and was this one of the ones that was recommended on this list? If it was, and anyone in the Chicago was interested in getting it, they've got a few copies left as of yesterday at the Coconuts on S. Pulaski and (I think) 51st near the el stop, going for $3.99. Incidentally as my 2fer I also picked up a fancy double disc set of Serge Gainsbourg for $10 that originally would have gone for $20.00, so I was a happy camper. There was also an XTC live at the BBC recorded in 1980, which I wanted to solicit opinions on before I go and pick it up. All help appreciated, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:05 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: The 80s >>Personally I view the 80's as a musical wasteland (RH's 80's oeuvre being >>one very notable exception-- there are others.) Not just on the strength >>(or lack thereof) of compilations, either. Guess I just was never into >>80's style. things started to get really interesting to me around 1990 or >>so. I guess I've got the advantage of having spent those years in Dunedin, which made them like a small-scale version of what Liverpool in the 60s must have been like. During the 80s we had the Chills, Verlaines, Bats, Straitjacket Fits, Look Blue Go Purple, Sneaky Feelings, Tall Dwarfs, and a plethora of other bands either in Dunedin or very close. For a brief while we had overseas acts playing here, supported by locals who attempted (and sometimes succeeded) in blowing them away. The best gig likely ever to have taken place in Dn was Jesus & Mary Chain supported by Straitjacket Fits. (A visit to see Talking Heads play Christchurch was also a major gig highlight for me). We got frequent visits from Aussie bands like Midnight Oil and Hunters and Collectors, and what with the other noise from over the ditch (Church, Triffids, GoBetweens etc) things were a-buzzing. And the rise of the jingly-jangly sound in Dunedin paralleled similar resurgences of that sound in LA (Rain Parade, Bangles etc), Georgia (REM, Guadalcanal Diary), and Britain (too many to mention). Britain also had other sounds such as the whole Madchester scene, riding on the coattails of the new Mersey groups such as Echo & the Bunnymen and Teardrop Explodes. Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Peter Gabriel, and Kate Bush were producing challenging work. Billy Bragg was redefining the British protest song, and XTC were helping create an English pastoral rock that had been dormant since the Kinks. The first stray bleepings that would develop into Ambient were being produced (no, I don't want to get into an argument about when and where Ambient started - a lot of it's early sources are 80s music, however). Similar developments were going on stateside, too... Talking Heads' whiteboy funk had matured from its CBGB origins, Suzanne Vega was producing a fresh new folk rock, and Husker Du were making wonderful melodic noise at 200 mph. I could go on and on about the highlights of the 80s. Actually, come to think of it... James (who also quite likes the early 70s, thank you very much) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:23:35 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: roy harper also sprach amadain: >Recently browsing through a bin of (2! 2! 2 for 1!) import cutouts at an >otherwise un-noteworthy Coconuts, I came across a Roy Harper album on >Griffin Music (a subsidiary of Gopaco, Inc., supposedly with a branch in >Chicago although I have never heard of them in my life) called "Unhinged", how odd. i found the same thing in a "2 for 1 import single bin" at a (i think) musicland over the holidaze in a mall in ye olde hometowne. one of a handful of roy's albums i didn't have on disc so it was a snagola. nice to replace a cassette dub. (the other half of the purchse was a random single by heavy stereo on creation records: "mouse in a hole". looked interesting cos it was packaged sort of like an ipr production, but it's kinda eh.) >only listened once but actually my initial impression (don't hit me! :)) >was that it reminded me of a stranger and more idiosyncratic Luka Bloom. that's actually a believable comparison, though roy's gone through a lot more musical permutations through the years than senor bloom. these days, roy's a bit of the eccentric englishman, but he's been a rocker and a popster in his day. >I'm sure more will be revealed as time goes on. What other albums by him >should I try to keep an eye out for, and was this one of the ones that was >recommended on this list? really, anything of roy's rates highly in my book, but i admit i am biased. personal favorites are _sophisticated beggar_, _flat baroque and berserk_, _valentine_, _hq_ (aka _when an old cricketeer leaves the crease_), _whatever happened to jugula_ and _once_. frankly though, you wouldn't go wrong with anything of his except maybe _work of heart_ (which may be too highly polished for some ears -- opt for the demos of these songs on _born in captivity_ if you can find it), _decendent of smith_ (good songs, but an excessively 80s flavor to the music), _loony on the bus_ (odds and sods). i don't think i recommended _unhinged_, but i should have -- it's an excellent live record, characteristic of what roy's sounding like these days and a good example of how powerful a performer and songwriter he is. you can find more roy stuff at: and >There was also an XTC live at the BBC recorded in 1980, which >I wanted to solicit opinions on before I go and pick it up. a good live set, but probably just as good as one of the various tapes from the 1980 tour (of which there are a few). then again, on sale, i'd go for it as it, too, would otherwise be a $20 purchase. woj n.p. halcion -- lemongrass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:33:23 -0800 From: Nos Ferraatu Subject: RE: Plagiarism and those 80's Hellllloooo. This doesn't happen all to often (lucky you), but I've got a decent sized hole in my heart for *some* of the stuff from those 80's (Michael K.: you and I were germinating at the same time). Bayard fired off that > the 80's as a musical wasteland. While it was a decade fraught with a generous handful of crap, I think 'wasteland' is a bit severe...think of all the junk that spawned during the 70's? I agree with RH on the 70's: it was a pretty dreadful decade if for no other reason than the shear lack of excitement. Eb, > Any decade with Elvis Costello...Husker Du [YES! you win the prize! A very influential band, say what you will]...Minutemen, Nick Cave...Peter Gabriel, REM, Sonic Youth...ad infinitem. As an aside, I never knew how cool my old highschool girlfriend was when she was obsessed by Danny Elfman and those of Boingo. Thanks, A. KEN! adding onto the list of the important....the early Clash stuff was brilliant, and their evolution interesting to watch--not a full 360, but up in the mid-340's (same, by the by, when you look at something like "Bricklayer" compared to "Sunspots"(and a cookie to anyone other than Eb who gets that one right...)) Lou Reed: brilliant in '68, and still doing it. I don't care what people say, "Twilight" was a great disc. Billy bragg: saw him over the summer for the first time, and I was blown away....very, very good. And here's where the credits for the quotes go down the drain... > great music was being made in the 80s, > but I don't recall hearing much of it on the radio. One of the best things about growing up in western Connecticut was (and is) the college radio station out of Danbury. Back in the mid-eighties XCI was playing some crazy stuff--things you wouldn't hear on anything resembling a commerical station--and they still do. A lot of the pop (euro-style stuff--not the mass market crap that term brings to mind) and twee that I've found myself drawn to in the past years comes from that station. A visit down there also lead to my first run in with "Live Death," and the ensuing crusade for my own copy. It's sad to see people drawn in by mass marketing. There's once was an "Alternative" mass-market station in Connecticut. Somebody, however, snuck up in the dark of the night and swiped it, however, and left us with a faux "Modern Rock" station. Mind you, they play the occasional good song, and they're 80's show is good (ahhhhh....there it is: the point!), but they're all about money and mass marketing and playing the same song fifteen times a day for three months. Alright, granted, there is some brilliance coming out of mainstream "Alternative" music these days, but the road signs for it are far and few between. It's the unsung heroes of the tiny labels that get my attention. The ingenuity and honesty that comes out of the true indie companies is soooo much more interesting. If it's a choice between them and a slickly produced, heavily promoted artist, I'll take the three piece with a bass player who couldn't follow a beat with a road map. If they're honest I'll take 'em any day over some self-rightgeous clod with a string of electical gadgets. Or some pasty wraith who gets kicks out looking inhuman, for that matter. I mean, hey, full-eye contacts are cool, but, c'mon. Back on track: > the egyptians *will* go out again! i know it in my soul. Who can say? At least they're still talking & playing together occasionally. Stranger things have happened. Take Hansen, for example. > Mark me down as an 80's lover as well. . .the 80's were a bit more daring and outrageous time in > terms of music. Sure, a lot of it was crap, but it seems as though it > was easier to be and sound different back then. That was, again, in striking contrast to how shit the '70's were. > >Hey, anybody want some ice? > > you don't wanna hear this, but right now, some ice would be great! Very funny. The entire cast of 'Beauty and the Beast On Ice' could be rehearsing in my driveway right now. I love New England. Really. I'm going to go huddle and wait for the sun. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:56:23 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: the 80's and eno >> Ya know, a common link between a lot of the best music of the >>ronald ray-gun years was brian eno. >> think about the people he worked with/ influenced: Talking >>heads, U2, david bowie, tangerine dream, robert fripp, brian ferry.... >> can you think of any more? > >John Cale, John Cale, John Cale. Roxy Music (though I suppose with Ferry >you covered that base, though I'd count it as a bit of a separate entity). >John Cale. Devo. and Van Halen (just "Jump", tho. Check out the Frippertronics on "hot for teacher"--and eno plays "ambient thump thump treated glockenspiel" on "panama") John, living in oblivion since 1981. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:47:46 -0500 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: playing catch up with Robyn and Feg-Digests > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:53:15 -0500 Mark Ponder wrote: > As a man of contradictions, Robyn would be bound to deny being > actively on the internet only if he were. > Only by his denial can the truth be known, as he intended for us to > find it. All I can say to *that* is, back in May, in Detroit, Robyn told me his biggest technological jump into the industrial age was the recent purchase of a calculator for that 1997 mini-tour. So, who makes calculators? Mac...IBM...;) While I'm on the subject of Robyn, and this being an RH list...thought I'd fill ya'll in with some info... Okay...once upon a time (a few years ago) Robyn was with Peter Jenner/Sincere Management. Then he went on tour with the "Dear Janes" opening, met Steve Martin, liked his style...and Steve began working with Robyn, along with the lovely Jennifer Blair - Antwoman - Tim Keegan's partner (who Carol and Karen may have emailed bombed - or maybe it they sent her leftover, thus rancid, paella from Christmas of 1996 ;) Then Robyn moved over to Steve Weltman Management...then...poof...he is managed by _no one_.... Wish I could manage him...though being in Canada I might not be the best choice...and something tells me he'd be quite a man to 'manage' ...read all the innuendo you like into that comment...none of your thoughts are wrong ;} If anyone desperately needs to get in touch with Robyn I can provide the means...or...perhaps one of our UK fegs can ask him what's up next time he plays...and tell him Randi Spiegel from Toronto - the girl with Crohn's Disease (don't ask unless you really want to know) says hi :) fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *everybody needs your meat but no one meets your needs* -RH (thanks jim) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:24:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Combat Schlock On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Nos Ferraatu wrote: > ....the early Clash stuff was > brilliant, and their evolution interesting to watch--not a full 360, but > up in the mid-340's Are you implying that they almost came back full circle or did you mean 180 or do you use some other angle measurement of which I was not previously aware? Because... damn. To quite Too Much Joy (again), "Every great band should be shot before they make their Combat Rock." J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:15:10 -0600 From: Dave Librik Subject: Re: G.LOVE jeffery vaska wrote: >but you have to admit that anything "frat boys" play is pretty much crap >right? huh...? way back in 1997 the first time i heard the frat house >down the street from my college apartment cranking RUSH - "2112", i >pretty much wrote that band off for good - geewiz. I knew in my heart of hearts that justice had come to the world when I heard _Globe Of Frogs_ blasting out of a window of the Tau Kappa Epsilon house, one glorious summer day in 1988. - - David Librik (not normally a fan of walking down Frat Row) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:11:16 -0600 From: Dave Librik Subject: Re: roy harper woj wibbled: >really, anything of roy's rates highly in my book, but i admit i am biased. >personal favorites are _sophisticated beggar_, _flat baroque and berserk_, >_valentine_, _hq_ (aka _when an old cricketeer leaves the crease_), >_whatever happened to jugula_ and _once_. A friend of mine recently gave me a copy of Roy Harper's _Folkjokeopus_. I was really delighted when I heard it. If you like early Al Stewart (say _Zero She Flies_ or even earlier), and Ian Anderson's cleverly sardonic vocals on _A Passion Play_, this CD will be the missing link you've always been looking for. I heard Harper play once in Wales. I think I was the only person under 25 in the audience. This was my introduction to the depressing British practice of hyper-sensitivity to fashion: it's cooler to see a sucky new band than a talented old hippie. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:37:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Chris, the missing years." Subject: Re: Combat Schlock > > To quite Too Much Joy (again), "Every great band should be shot before > they make their Combat Rock." IMHO, "Combat Rock" is a stellar album. One that is too complex for most people to grasp; thus the Casbah and Stay/Go songs which are the only ones that most people get to hear. The thematic approach is difficult to take; what with the Vietnam references, the Ginsburg, and other overt and not-so references of various sorts. I could go on but... over, .chris (who does not own an even partially functioning toaster, sob!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:59:17 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Combat Schlock >IMHO, "Combat Rock" is a stellar album. One that is too complex for >most people to grasp. Well, I don't know about it being complex or anything, but I know that the "Rock The Casbah" song played 24-7 on the radio ruined this album for everybody and steered everyone clear of it. Its a shame too, there are songs on there that I really like. Even the Stay-GO song - -jbj - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# John B. Jones Email: lobstie@e-z.net House of Figgy-- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html "When you're down/ It's a long way up When you're up/ It's a long way down It's all the same thing/ No new tale to tell" -Love & Rockets - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #18 ******************************