From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #17 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 15 1998 Volume 07 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Negativlegalstuff and actually some RH at the bottom... [Eb ] Re: Duplicate album names [KarmaFuzzz ] Living in Oblivion: 80's Greatest Hits, Vol. 5: what do you know? [KarmaF] New e-mail [Gary Sedgwick ] Album cover lawsuits, etc. (0% RH content) [TROYD1@Westat.com (TROYD1)] awesome 80's [Bayard ] Re: Live crabs and tape-ey trees [Capuchin ] Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) [MARKEEFE ] Re: Living in Oblivion: 80's Greatest Hits, Vol. 5: what do you know? [To] Re: Duplicate album names ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) [donald andrew snyder ] Re: oops...a little added info about Jam searching ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Album cover lawsuits, etc. [Eb ] Re: Best of 1998 List [The Great Quail ] Re: And finally, the Eighties [MARKEEFE ] Re: album names, ice [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: And finally, the Eighties [Eb ] jon kanis [squeaky watson ] Re: Best of 1998 List [squeaky watson ] Re: Duplicate album names [squeaky watson ] Re: album names, ice [Dave Librik ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:05:19 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) >Personally I view the 80's as a musical wasteland (RH's 80's oeuvre being >one very notable exception-- there are others.) Not just on the strength >(or lack thereof) of compilations, either. Guess I just was never into >80's style. things started to get really interesting to me around 1990 or >so. IMHO invoked: Bayard, I like almost everything about you, but I think you are just a little bit confused here. By reading your message, it would appear that your usually wonderful human interface has the Terry Marks virus. Restart, rebuild your desktop and maybe I can help you out a little. There is a radio show in Santa Cruz on Fridays wherein they play pretty much only eighties stuff. I was listening to it a couple of weeks ago and a B52's song popped on. I reflected outwardly that the thing I loved about the eighties music was that so much of it was so much fun! (Mystic Knights of the) (Oingo) Boingo Wall of Voodoo B52's Talking Heads Stan Ridgway Morrissey This stuff was fun without just being bubblegum. The message might have been depressing sometimes, but they were allowed to use wit and even irony in their words and music. One of the few bands that I can think of that still does this is that wacky Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark. Negativland does it too. Contrast this with the volume of depressing stuff that is out these days. I even like some of them, but listening to hours of this stuff is like being locked in some primal therapy clinic. Even Stan Ridgway is writing kinda depressing songs nowadays. eg... Tori Amos Sound Garden NIN I'm not trying to dis junior x, but where's the fun? Please don't say "Spice Girls." Robyn Hitchcock, Oingo Boingo, Stan Ridgway, B52's still get lots of play on my CD player. 80's King Crimson was some of the best music ever made. I suppose I can deal with y'all lowering your opinions of me another notch. I can't help it. I'm shallow, slow-witted, and old. - -Markg ps. TGQ, why'd ya give me this crappy brain, lousy artistic taste, and geez- this job! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:35:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Negativlegalstuff and actually some RH at the bottom... >Actually, with the tiny help of the U2 band, Negativland reached a >tentative agreement with Island, but Casey would not agree to it, >since he had entered the lawsuit. I wrote Casey to ask that he >show a sense of humor about the issue, allowing the band to release >the single again and drop the lawsuit, and received a heated, but >personal, letter saying that he would never agree to having the >single released. Wow, cool! "But personal"...does that mean you won't quote the letter? ;) Eb PS I got three cool albums today...Robert Wyatt/Shleep, Colin Newman/Bastard and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci/Barafundle. Check 'em out, esp. Shleep and Barafundle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:38:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) >Personally I view the 80's as a musical wasteland (RH's 80's oeuvre being >one very notable exception-- there are others.) Not just on the strength >(or lack thereof) of compilations, either. Guess I just was never into >80's style. things started to get really interesting to me around 1990 or >so. Any decade with Elvis Costello, Foetus, Husker Du, Kate Bush, Camper Van Beethoven, Minutemen, Nick Cave, Pere Ubu, Peter Gabriel, REM, Sonic Youth, Talking Heads, Prince, the Pogues, the Replacements, Tom Waits, XTC and that Hitchcock guy can't be all bad.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:46:41 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Duplicate album names In a message dated 98-01-13 23:17:44 EST, gondola@deltanet.com writes: > Really, it was much more of a parody of *Casey Kasem*. And yet, Kasem never > said a word of protest, as far as I know. Guess he's not as > fussy/self-important/litigious as U2 and Island. actually, Kasem is the reason that it's not available right now. While U2 have granted permission (with semi-altered cover work), Kasem doesn't want it known that he didn't know whether U2 was English or Irish and who gave a shit or whatever..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:59:17 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Living in Oblivion: 80's Greatest Hits, Vol. 5: what do you know? In a message dated 98-01-14 01:19:20 EST, Hedblade@aol.com writes: > Just for fun, I tried to name the artists that did each of these songs. The > writers were a giveaway in some cases, but titles were fun to try and match. > I nailed 14 of them. How do you score? :) 13. I didn't know: > King in a Catholic Style (Daley,Gary/Johnson,Garry/Lu...) > Steady (Lauper,Cyndi/Shear,Jules) i don't think this is a cyndi lauper song (my then semi-girlfriend was obsessed with her), and i don't know what jules shear's band[s] of the time were called. > Pleasure and Pain (Chapman,Mike/Knight,Holly) > More Than Physical (Aitken,Matt/Dollin,Sarah/Fa...) > Love Changes (Everything) (Climie,Simon/Fisher,Rob/Mor...) i d i d k n o w t h e s e t h o u g h >Major Tom (Coming Home) (Lodge,David/Schilling,Peter) Peter Schilling >Hyperactive (Dolby,Thomas) Thomas Dolby >Promises, Promises (Byrne,Pete/Fisher,Rob) Naked Eyes >Promise (Farrington,Clive/Mann,Andre...) When In Rome >Vienna (Cann,Warren/Currie,Billy) Ultravox >Enola Gay (Orchestral Manoeuvres in th...) OMD >Our Lips Are Sealed (Hall,Terry/Wiedlin,Jane) The Go-Go's AND Fun Boy Three > Birds Fly (Whisper to a Scream) (McNabb,Ian) Icicle Works > Honeythief (McElhone,J./Mcleod,A./Skinn...) Hipsway > I Wanna Be a Cowboy (Chatton,Brian/Ramsden,Nico/...) Boys Don't Cry. they later recorded a single (which i never heard, but once saw, called "The Cure." very clever boys. not) > Captain of Her Heart (Haug,Felix/Maloo,Kurt) Double > Vanity Kills (Fry,Martin/White,Mark) ABC > We Close Our Eyes (Cox,Peter/Drummie,Richard) Go West ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:30:54 -0000 From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: New e-mail Hi everyone! Just a quick message to anyone who's got me in their address book; I've just got a new job and new e-mail account with it - my new address is gsedgwick@riskcare.com. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:55:55 -0500 From: TROYD1@Westat.com (TROYD1) Subject: Album cover lawsuits, etc. (0% RH content) Speaking of album cover lawsuits, on eof my favorite controversies involved _The Residents Present the Third Reich and Roll_ album, which featured on the cover an image of a man who looked very much like Dick Clark in a Nazi officer's uniform. I believe they were forced to remove the image of the world's oldest teenager for a time, but I've noticed the image has reappeared on the CD version. If anyone knows more about this, I'd love to hear the details. The record's concept (it was released in the mid 70s) was that AM Top 40 radio (and people like Dick Clark, presumably) had been used to brainwash the masses and that only an avant garde reworking of some of the era's biggest hits could deprogram the public. They string together hilarious reworkings/deconstructions of songs like The Twist, Hey Jude, In a Gadda da Vida, and Yummy Yummy Yummy, and it's quite enteratining. It's something I listen to about once a year with great pleasure. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: awesome 80's thanks for setting me straight. i forgot about boingo! i still can't believe i never got to see them live. the other worthy folks you list never resonated with me, but i see the attraction. _stop making sense_ really made me realize how good the talking heads were at playing them instruments. =80's boy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Live crabs and tape-ey trees On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Nick Winkworth wrote: > Wait a minute. "Close" to good means it can't actually *be* good, right? > So it it's not good, there's only one other option, right? > That would be ...bad. > > Is this just a subtle way of telling me my idea sucks!!!? ;) It's very close to subtle. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:38:35 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) While Eb and Mark mentioned a lot of the consistently great artists and bands that are wrothy of enduring beyond the current 80's-retro phase (Robyn, Kate, Heads, Prince, Smiths, etc.), I think the best part of the 80's music scene was the slew of forgettable (or hopelessly unforgettable) new wavey pop songs that filled up the airwaves in the pioneering days of MTV. This might only be appreciable by someone who happened to be around 13 or so at the time, but I think that the early 80's gave us some of the most daring pop music ever. And, when I say daring, I'm talking about a "closing your eyes and jumping out of the plane" kind of daring. From the sound of it, most of these artists didn't know what the hell they were doing. They were just plugging in their keyboards, drum machines and effects boxes and going for it -- the weirder the outcome, the better. Sure, by 1984, it had all gotten pretty crass and calculated, but, for a few years there, some embarassingly beautiful (or beautifully embarassing?) music was made. In my book, "indie rock" doesn't even come close (with a very few notable exceptions, of course -- Pavement, etc.). Then again, if I were 19 (or 45), I'd probably see things differently. - -----Michael K. (who's 28. . . cuz you were just dyin' to know ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:15 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) >>Personally I view the 80's as a musical wasteland (RH's 80's oeuvre being >>one very notable exception-- there are others.) Not just on the strength >>(or lack thereof) of compilations, either. Guess I just was never into >>80's style. things started to get really interesting to me around 1990 or >>so. > >Any decade with Elvis Costello, Foetus, Husker Du, Kate Bush, Camper Van >Beethoven, Minutemen, Nick Cave, Pere Ubu, Peter Gabriel, REM, Sonic Youth, >Talking Heads, Prince, the Pogues, the Replacements, Tom Waits, XTC and >that Hitchcock guy can't be all bad.... right on brother! i'll defend the eighties 'til i die! when the whole eighties retro thing gets big in the next decade or so, all of my vinyl might be worth something. here's a few more really great eighties bands (not to mention all of the various one-hit wonders) to add: mekons, clash, police, u2, smiths, throwing muses, cure, duran, pixies, new order, joy division, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, firehose, simple minds, jesus & mary chain, inxs, bongwater, dinosaur jr., waterboys, pretenders, b-52's, blue aeroplanes, midnight oil, godfathers, springsteen, lou reed, david bowie, billy bragg, suzanne vega, jonathan richman, paul simon, frank zappa, neil young, julian cope, maria mckee, george clinton, public enemy, beastie boys, fishbone, that petrol emotion, jazz butcher... KEN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:16:09 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: (no RH) DC Fegs: anyone going to see Luna Friday? I'm heading down to DC this weekend to catch the Luna show at the 9:30 Club. Anyone else going? Any other cool shows happening this weekend? Anyone know of any good art exhibits? l "Missus Dean Wareham" j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:29:35 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: And finally, the Eighties Ken O. wrote: >right on brother! i'll defend the eighties 'til i die! when the whole >eighties retro thing gets big in the next decade or so, all of my vinyl >might be worth something. And in 2008, when the whole nineties retro thing gets big, all those old CD's that were replaced by DVD (or whatever they're going to replace CD's with) might be worth something too. Seriously though, I don't see why so many people seem to want to group everything by decade. Just because something came out within a particular ten-year period doesn't mean it should be lumped in with everything else that came out within that same period. You might just as well say "oooh, that's just SOOOO March 19, 1992," or conversely, "Robyn Hitchcock exemplifies the music of post-Mesozoic era with his jangly guitars and delicate harmonies." I mean, I was in a (completely obscure) band in the 80's, and so was Axl Rose. So that somehow implies a stylistic similarity? I hardly think so. For one thing, my band used to drink much more heavily than those guys. (Not alcohol, though.) Eb wrote: >PS I got three cool albums today...Robert Wyatt/Shleep, Colin >Newman/Bastard and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci/Barafundle. Check 'em out, esp. >Shleep and Barafundle. In other words, esp. NOT "Bastard" - this album is just a bunch of poorly-recorded, repetitious MIDI sequences, almost certainly Newman's least interesting release ever. Even the ambient tape-loop stuff that Gilbert & Lewis put out in the mid-80's was less yawn-inducing. (Sorry, Eb, but this record disappointed me so badly I just had to pipe up.) - --John H. "gurgling behind the" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:09:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Living in Oblivion: 80's Greatest Hits, Vol. 5: what do you know? On 1/14/98 12:59 AM, KarmaFuzzz wrote: >I didn't know: >> Pleasure and Pain (Chapman,Mike/Knight,Holly) Divinyls. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:32:07 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Duplicate album names it, as well as some other very groovy shit *is* available from the copyright violation squad. i'm not sure how up-to-date the negativland web site is --it'd been quite behind for a while. but, if anyone's interested, i'm sure i've got the address somewhere, and could dig it up. and the new album, DISPEPSI, or whatever it's called, is indeed grand. you know the real reason for all this pain, agony, gnashing of teeth, etc.? sure you do. it's capitalism. "That socialism cannot or may never be attained does not mitigate capitalism's inherent inability to serve as the rational institutional standard for a just society or peaceful world, or lessen the need for a fundamental alternative embodying socialism's original objectives and inspiration to resolve many of the world's enormous problems." --Gabriel Kolko ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:26:48 -0600 (CST) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: my wife and my dead wife (Re: Plagiarism) What I like about the 90s is that I hear more good songs on the radio, whether in Chicago or Montgomery. I don't remember the same being true in the 80s: To find good rock n' roll, one had to search, but oh was it worth it. Like Eb and Ken have noted, great music was being made in the 80s, but I don't recall hearing much of it on the radio. Still, I think the best of "alternative" rock will always be found in the 80s. - --Andy > >Any decade with Elvis Costello, Foetus, Husker Du, Kate Bush, Camper Van > >Beethoven, Minutemen, Nick Cave, Pere Ubu, Peter Gabriel, REM, Sonic Youth, > >Talking Heads, Prince, the Pogues, the Replacements, Tom Waits, XTC and > >that Hitchcock guy can't be all bad.... > mekons, clash, police, u2, smiths, throwing muses, cure, duran, > pixies, new order, joy division, tears for fears, psychedelic furs, > firehose, simple minds, jesus & mary chain, inxs, bongwater, dinosaur jr., > waterboys, pretenders, b-52's, blue aeroplanes, midnight oil, godfathers, > springsteen, lou reed, david bowie, billy bragg, suzanne vega, jonathan > richman, paul simon, frank zappa, neil young, julian cope, maria mckee, > george clinton, public enemy, beastie boys, fishbone, that petrol emotion, > jazz butcher... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:39:50 -0400 From: "jbastin@stfx.ca" Subject: Re: negativland lives This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------FDC9D54F10F7C43BFD06850F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Capitalism Blows wrote: > U2 have > granted permission (with semi-altered cover work), Kasem doesn't want it > known > that he didn't know whether U2 was English or Irish and who gave a shit > or > whatever.....> > it, as well as some other very groovy shit *is* available from the > copyright violation squad. i'm not sure how up-to-date the negativland > web site is --it'd been quite behind for a while. but, if anyone's > interested, i'm sure i've got the address somewhere, and could dig it > up. > and the new album, DISPEPSI, or whatever it's called, is indeed grand. > you know the real reason for all this pain, agony, gnashing of teeth, > etc.? sure you do. it's capitalism. > > "That socialism cannot or may never be attained does not mitigate > capitalism's inherent inability to serve as the rational institutional > standard for a just society or peaceful world, or lessen the need for a > fundamental alternative embodying socialism's original objectives and > inspiration to resolve many of the world's enormous problems." > --Gabriel Kolko > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I loved "Escape from Noise" and am currently living in a small town, where music outside the mainstream is navailable. If anyone would be willing to make me a copy of Negativland's latest, for which I would reimburse them or duly return a taped copy of something or other of my own, I would appreciate it muchly. love, john. - --------------FDC9D54F10F7C43BFD06850F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for jbastin@stfx.ca Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: jbastin@stfx.ca n: ;jbastin@stfx.ca email;internet: jbastin@stfx.ca x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------FDC9D54F10F7C43BFD06850F-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:56:26 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: oops...a little added info about Jam searching blasphemer! canadian blasphemer! the egyptians *will* go out again! i know it in my soul. by the way, i mailed another tape not only to canada, but to *thornhill* no less, the very same day i sent the spoken chain tape to randi. it arrived in less than a week, and the chain tape took, like, a month. this project is cursed, i tells ya. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:20:28 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Aaaaah...EIGHTIES! Mark me down as an 80's lover as well. While I've enjoyed the 90's immensely so far, the 80's were a bit more daring and outrageous time in terms of music. Sure, a lot of it was crap, but it seems as though it was easier to be and sound different back then. But then again, maybe it's just nostalgia talking. n.p. Meddle - Pink Floyd, and Olivia Tremor Control (which I've grown to totally love!) - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:51:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Album cover lawsuits, etc. > Speaking of album cover lawsuits, on eof my favorite controversies > involved _The Residents Present the Third Reich and Roll_ album, which > featured on the cover an image of a man who looked very much like Dick > Clark in a Nazi officer's uniform. I believe they were forced to > remove the image of the world's oldest teenager for a time, but I've > noticed the image has reappeared on the CD version. If anyone knows > more about this, I'd love to hear the details. I don't think there was ever any legal action taken about the Dick Clark thing. (Then again, I was wrong about Casey Kasem....) I believe there was a lot MORE controversy about the band's debut Meet the Residents, which trashed the artwork for Meet the Beatles/With the Beatles. That did prompt some legal activity. Do you Negativland experts know if the band got into trouble for that new release which looks like a Pepsi product? >>PS I got three cool albums today...Robert Wyatt/Shleep, Colin >>Newman/Bastard and Gorky's Zygotic Mynci/Barafundle. Check 'em out, esp. >>Shleep and Barafundle. > >In other words, esp. NOT "Bastard" - this album is just a bunch of >poorly-recorded, repetitious MIDI sequences, almost certainly Newman's least >interesting release ever. Even the ambient tape-loop stuff that Gilbert & >Lewis put out in the mid-80's was less yawn-inducing. (Sorry, Eb, but this >record disappointed me so badly I just had to pipe up.) Ehh, well, it was cool enough at least to keep around. It didn't "disappoint" me that much, because I wasn't expecting anything grand. I knew it would be instrumental and I knew Newman is totally into electronic music now, so.... But I can see someone else hating it. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 18:44:01 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Best of 1998 List >Their cover of John Cage's masterpiece "4 >minutes and 33 seconds" was simply stunning... A delightful cover, yes -- esepcially the bonus track, the "4 Minutes and 33 Seconds Deep Thought Remix." But I still had to vote for"Prodigy Unplugged," if nothing more to hear the phrase "Smack My Bitch Up" repeated over two banjos, a standup bass, and a set of spoons and woodblocks. - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:19:51 EST From: MARKEEFE Subject: Re: And finally, the Eighties John H. is right, of course, in saying that the entire musical scope of a decade can't be summed up just by calling it "80's music"; on the other hand, I think there's a general understanding that, for the most part, we're talking about the new wavey pop music that came out between 1977 (actually) and, say, 1985 (there were tricklings after that, but we've got to draw the line somewhere). More to the point, I think we're talking about 1983 MTV, Miami Vice fashion and Valley Girls. Certainly, short-hand classifications like "the 80's" leave a bit to be desired, but they're also useful, to a certain extent. Funny, though, that there does seem to be overlaps across tail ends of decades as far as musical movements are concerned. For instance, there's the aforementioned new wave thing (late 70's and early 80's); "modern rock" (aka, "college rock") was late 80's and early 90's. Then there's the music of the late 60's and early 70's, which was diverse in its sound and, yet, all came out at around the same time ('67 to maybe '72), like the Doors, Hendrix, Leonard Cohen, Tim Buckley, Nick Drake, and Van Morrison (at his best). In my mind, music, in general, took a nosedive for a few years thereafter, with Bowie, Eno, Floyd, Roxy Music, and Led Zep being the only acts from 1973 to 1976 worth listening to. But I've now gotten off onto some hack musicologist rant. . . or, at least, I'm standing on the verge of so doing. Anyway, here's to Robyn Hitchcock: the greatest post-psychedelic, post-new-wave, post-post- modern, post-grunge, soon-to-be-post-electronica (wishful thinking) artist around! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:07:33 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: album names, ice >So K&The Waves have have an album out called _Edge of the Land_ ? I have a >friend whose brother is in a folk band called Tanglefoot. Tanglefoot's >album is out on CD and is also called _Edge of the Land_ . Legally, must >album names be unique across all bands worldwide or is this not an issue. >For example, what if the Spice Girls wanted to produce a third album called >Moss Elixir, could they be stopped ? Bands sometimes have to change their names, but I don't think there's any copyrighting on album names - perhaps the exception being if those albums use words specially created for the album. So if you've got an album called "Spladgy-pingles", and someone else puts out an album with the same name, you could have a case - as long as you had copyrighted use of that word (so no naming your album Thrakkatak!). You *might* also have a case if the title is a very unlikely sort of phrase (I wouldn't imagine too many people independently coming up with a phrase like "Gravy Deco"), or if the title and/or cover were in some way misleading (cf U2/Negativland). However, I have "Time and Tide" by Split Enz and by Greenslade, "Bewitched" by Look Blue Go Purple, by Summers and Fripp, and by Luna, and "True Colours" by Split Enz (I don't have Cyndi Lauper's similarly titled album. I think it would probably be commercial suicide to release an album with the same name as a really well known album (I haven't seen many albums called "Rubber Soul", ferinstance), although there might be chutzpah value in doing so that would appeal. Of course, a number of bands do this when it's a deliberate comment or pisstake (eg Voice of the Beehive's "Let it Bee", named after the upcoming Oasis album, I believe, hey TGQ?) As to the Laibach Let it Be, there is, of course a good reason for this, as it is simply a cover of the Beatles album (to some extent), much like George benson's "The other side of Abbey Road" and the compilation "Sgt. Pepper knew my father". I would think it could be quite annoying to the artists who got their titles out first, mind you - similar to the annoyance I felt - withing three months of the release of my cassette Partial Rapture Theory - when two other New Zealand bands (The 3Ds and the Muttonbirds) released albums with similar cover art concepts. It was all very clearly coincidental, but still annoying. >Hey, anybody want some ice? you don't wanna hear this, but right now, some ice would be great! Still, you can be smug come June... I hope you've got power where you are... (duh! so he has a coal-fired computer maybe?) James (brain frying in the south) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:24:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: And finally, the Eighties >In my >mind, music, in general, took a nosedive for a few years thereafter, with >Bowie, Eno, Floyd, Roxy Music, and Led Zep being the only acts from 1973 to >1976 worth listening to. Patti Smith, Ramones, King Crimson, Lou Reed, Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder, Raspberries, Residents, Mott the Hoople, Neil Young, the Who, John Lennon, Henry Cow, Gram Parsons, Genesis, Badfinger, Big Star, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Can, Yes, Tom Waits, Graham Parker, John Cale...no dice, huh? :/ 1973 to 1976 was a pretty weak period for music, no doubt. Still, I definitely wouldn't narrow it down to five worthwhile bands. Minimalism content: I just found a hard-to-find Daniel Lentz tape for a buck at the Wherehouse. :) While I'm on the subject, here's a tip for you folks: If you have the Wherehouse record chain in your area, check the $2.99 bin! I've bought about 10 $2.99 discs from my local Wherehouse in the past week. Their pricing database ignores a lot of '80s college-rock type stuff, so it just gets thrown in the cheapie bin. Some current underground stuff is there too. Today, I got discs by the Jazz Butcher (two diff. ones!), Alex Chilton, Thunderclap Newman, the Grays and the Halo Benders. And of the above, all are out of print except Chilton and the Halo Benders. Collectable! I also saw $2.99 discs by Bob Mould, Red Red Meat, the Young Fresh Fellows, the Go-Betweens, Kitchens of Distinction, Material, Sunday All Over the World.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:49:53 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: jon kanis anyfeg who finds themself in contact with jon kanis while he greyhounds across america are encouraged to have him contact me via the phone. he should have my number, but feel free to ask just in case. thanks, woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:49:39 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: Re: Best of 1998 List >A delightful cover, yes -- esepcially the bonus track, the "4 Minutes and >33 Seconds Deep Thought Remix." ...and the "tree falls in a forest" remix (which, incidently, is 11:05 in length). woj n.p. KaTe bush -- hounds of love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:52:27 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: Re: Duplicate album names also sprach Capitalism Blows: >it, as well as some other very groovy shit *is* available from the >copyright violation squad. both mixes of the infamous "u2" single are also available via streaming realaudio from the negativland website: . woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:24:41 -0600 From: Dave Librik Subject: Re: album names, ice If album names were required by law to be unique, we'd be in deep trouble trying to figure out who owns the rights and the royalties to all records called "Live". - - David Librik ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #17 ******************************