From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #13 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 12 1998 Volume 07 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [KarmaFuzzz ] Working Titles [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Working Titles [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [Capuchin ] Re: Working Titles [Bayard ] Saturday's Largo show (kinda long) [delavina@juno.com (chris franz)] Re: [none] [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] best of '97 - addendum [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: Working Titles [KarmaFuzzz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:08:51 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy In a message dated 98-01-10 15:27:35 EST, gondola@deltanet.com writes: > >besides, puff did give Tommy Stinson > >his most prominant gig in years (ever?) in that video for "It'll All About the > >Benjamins," and has never tried to get away with claiming his sampling was re- > >writing, like vanilla ice did to "under pressure." > What does Tommy Stinson do in the video? I haven't seen it. plays bass, and does backing vocals, like he does on the rock remix itself. no dave grohl in the video. > Incidentally, my vote for the all-time most vile plagiarism is Peter > Schilling's "Major Tom," which stole the concept of Bowie's "Space Oddity" > hook, line and sinker. Somewhere, I have a magazine clipping saved where > Schilling explains the song by saying something like "Major Tom was just a > name. It could've been Major Bob or Jim just as easily." Implying that he > came up with the idea. Wow. Talk about lying through your teeth. :P the very definition of chutspah. for some reason i think it was Peter Godwin though. oh well, those two are pretty interchangable. as opposed to Peter Gabriel and Peter Murphy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:10:28 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Working Titles Fegs--- I mean to pick your brains here. I have long enjoyed the working titles (i.e., the title Robyn gives the album while its still in its early stages) of Robyn's album's. I just heard another one I'd never heard before last night whilst listening to an Oct 89 show. it got me thinking: Time to make a list! Anyway, here's my list. If you have more, I want to hear them!! Eye: LINDA IN THE SKY WITH FIREMEN Perspex Island: THE ADULT ALBUM You & Oblivion: PHWEEEEEEEEN! Moss Elixir: SURFER GHOST, SHADOWCAT The next one: BEE MAN RAY (or was this what Robyn called Moss Elixir? Can't remember the year for this one, but its on a KCRW show), and ROBYN HITCHCOCK'S CHRISTMAS PARTY, also JEWELS FOR SOPHIA. - -jbj - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# John B. Jones Email: lobstie@e-z.net House of Figgy-- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html "When you're down/ It's a long way up When you're up/ It's a long way down It's all the same thing/ No new tale to tell" -Love & Rockets - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Working Titles > > Eye: LINDA IN THE SKY WITH FIREMEN > Perspex Island: THE ADULT ALBUM > You & Oblivion: PHWEEEEEEEEN! > Moss Elixir: SURFER GHOST, SHADOWCAT > The next one: BEE MAN RAY (or was this what Robyn called Moss Elixir? Black Snake Diamond Role: Zinc Pear Fegmaniax: Egyptian Cream Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Eb wrote: > Incidentally, my vote for the all-time most vile plagiarism is Peter > Schilling's "Major Tom," which stole the concept of Bowie's "Space Oddity" > hook, line and sinker. Somewhere, I have a magazine clipping saved where > Schilling explains the song by saying something like "Major Tom was just a > name. It could've been Major Bob or Jim just as easily." Implying that he > came up with the idea. Wow. Talk about lying through your teeth. :P Two things: First, writing about the same fictional INCIDENT isn't plagiarism. Schilling uses all of his own words and music. He just took the event described in Space Oddity and wrote another song about it. Second, I could be mistaken, but as I recall the interview, he was asked if the song was about a real event because both he and Bowie wrote about it. He said no and that Major Tom wasn't a real person, just a name chosen for no reason... could have been Major Bob or whatever. Again, I don't think this song is anything like plagiarism. Just because it's not an original concept doesn't mean it's theft. Otherwise, Rosencrantz and Gildenstern Are Dead would be plagiarism as would be countless works of literature and film. Just my incoherent 4am kind of thoughts. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:58:48 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Working Titles > > Eye: LINDA IN THE SKY WITH FIREMEN Also _Flesh Cartoons_ (according to the Hamilton discography sent out by sandra and trudi, at which time the album in question was a forthcoming release) if i recall correctly > > Perspex Island: THE ADULT ALBUM Also _Kiss Yourself_ > > You & Oblivion: PHWEEEEEEEEN! > > Moss Elixir: SURFER GHOST, SHADOWCAT > > The next one: BEE MAN RAY (or was this what Robyn called Moss Elixir? I think this did refer to Moss Elixir. he also considered calling it _Feelers was everywhere_, if I'm not mistaken > Black Snake Diamond Role: Zinc Pear > Fegmania!: Egyptian Cream Underwater Moonlight: _That's my fish you're holding!_ A Can of Bees: _Heat me up, and tell me you're happy_ Cool thread, John. =b ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:51:53 EST From: delavina@juno.com (chris franz) Subject: Saturday's Largo show (kinda long) The doors opened a little later Saturday; it appeared they needed more time to soundcheck. On entering and paying the cover, we were all asked which artist (Tim, Robyn, Colin Hay) we were there to see. Their explanation was that those tallies were used to determine how much of the money taken in in cover charges would go to which artist. Is this standard procedure? Anyway, Tim opened (same red sweatshirt, black trousers, and boots, but a hat this time and no stool). Someone in the audience blurted out "Disneyland!" after his first song, to which he said, "I played that last night. You can't do a song two nights in a row, that's cheating." After a long pause, racking his brain for more ideas, seemingly getting confused about something, trying to come up with a plan, and getting exasperated, he finally said, "All right, I'll play Disneyland." Anyway, after a bit (including a brand new song which was excellent) Robyn came out to assist on a song that I don't remember, after which they did a rousing "Superkeen." Very satisfying. Robyn came back out after a brief intermission, decked out in his b/w checkered shirt and black trousers (though he was seen earlier at Largo with his famed green trousers). After a massive search for a harmonica in D, and kicking around the idea of trying one in C, Jon scampered out with the desired instrument. Off Robyn went. Visions of Johanna (!) 1974 (after a monolouge about a 90s revival) DeChirico St. Elizabeth Jade Jewels For Sophia (with a monologue about sex, bank accounts, Santa Claus, and Eric Idle) Queen Elvis Queen Of Eyes Macarena / Golden Years / Fame '98 I Feel Beautiful Antwoman (electric, and awesome) Robyn's voice was obviously tired from the studio work he's done over the past few days. The vocal bit at the end of DeChirico Street he did an octave below what he usually does, and he had to strain in some parts elsewhere. Still, he was relaxed and having a good time, and it was a fun set. One absolutely surreal moment happened during the show as Robyn apparently forgot the chords to Queen of Eyes. That's right, Queen Of Eyes. Right in the "Here I am again" bit Robyn called out "wait" and figured it out, with Tim looking up at him as though the world didn't make sense anymore. We in the audience just looked at each other in disbelief. I don't know exactly what threw him off, but it was really odd to watch. An admirable recovery though. He then did a new "I wish I was , I wish I was " line, but I don't remember what it was. There was absolute mayhem onstage when Grant walked on and found Jon's Macarena gorilla doll. He turned it on, held it up to the mike, and before long he launched into a Bowie tune accompanied by the toy. Amazing how well they fit together. He and Robyn did an acapella duet for a time, dancing all the while, before fading out with another Bowie tune. It was hilarious. Up next was Colin Hay (whose guitar case still says "Men At Work"), who apparently does the Largo frequently. It was his last show there before a three month trip down under. He played an hour and a half of depressing music, much to the delight of the Eye-heads present. So if you want a positive review, ask one of them. As for me, I couldn't wait for it to end. Entertaining monologues, though. So, at about 1 AM, Robyn's quartet reemerged, declared themselves to be "The Evil Church Bells," and launched into Buddy Holly's "Peggy Sue." There were too many songs in there I didn't recognize for me to keep an accurate setlist, and in fact all I remember right now is Soul Kitchen (Doors). Well, that and the one below... One more story before you go on about your day. Peter, Julie, and I had been talking before the show about what we hoped they'd play; Peter was hoping they would do Beautiful Queen, Julie wanted to hear Queen of Eyes, and I was hoping for Elizabeth Jade and/or a Byrds tune. Well, EJ and QoE fell early. Then Robyn said to Tim "Shall we do BQ or bring on Grant?" And Grant charged the stage as Peter looked on in horror. Beautiful Queen is right there on the setlist, but they didn't play it. But not even that compares to how The Evil Church Bells left me hanging. They got a full line or two into Bells of Rhymney, Robyn gently playing the electric, and Ethan banging up a storm on drums. Then Robyn stopped everything, saying "Hold it! This song needs to be done much more delicately." Then they switched and did a far less delicate tune. Argh! Anyway, a very good show, VoJ was a wonderful, wonderful surprise, and we all are going to very carefully check upcoming shows at this place... if it weren't for Woj's post, we would have missed out on this. Many thanks to Woj. contaminating the void with a long, long post, - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:45:13 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: [none] >Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:58:42 -0500 >From: squeaky watson >Subject: [none] > > > how true. How very true. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:33 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: best of '97 - addendum One week into the new year and I see a movie that probably deserves mention from '97 - another delightfully quirky Australian comedy, along the lines of Muriel's Wedding, Strictly Ballroom, and Priscilla: keep an eye out for "The Castle" - the tale of a family for whom gormless would be a high compliment, and their battle with big business. It's a light, hilarious, 'feel good' (ugh) movie that had me ROTFL. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:17:20 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Working Titles In a message dated 98-01-11 16:07:33 EST, walden@universe.digex.net writes: > > > Eye: LINDA IN THE SKY WITH FIREMEN > Also _Flesh Cartoons_ (according to the Hamilton discography sent out by > sandra and trudi, at which time the album in question was a forthcoming > release) if i recall correctly > > > > Perspex Island: THE ADULT ALBUM > Also _Kiss Yourself_ > > > > You & Oblivion: PHWEEEEEEEEN! > > > Moss Elixir: SURFER GHOST, SHADOWCAT > > > The next one: BEE MAN RAY (or was this what Robyn called Moss Elixir? > I think this did refer to Moss Elixir. he also considered calling it > _Feelers was everywhere_, if I'm not mistaken > > > Black Snake Diamond Role: Zinc Pear > > Fegmania!: Egyptian Cream > Underwater Moonlight: _That's my fish you're holding!_ > A Can of Bees: _Heat me up, and tell me you're happy_ I Often Dream of Trains: Crystal Branches (at least according to the Rhino Liner Notes). ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #13 ******************************