From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #12 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 11 1998 Volume 07 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Pillow Book (RH 0%) [Noah Shalev ] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [KarmaFuzzz ] Royalties/Rew [Terrence M Marks ] Long Lost Me [ismism@juno.com (Glen E Uber)] Feg '97 Lists Statistics [dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders)] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [Eb ] major tom [Bayard ] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy & Major Tom (Coming Home) ["Elizabeth Morgan" ] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [jeffery vaska ] Re: Largo 9-Jan-98 [Bayard ] Re: Puff the Magic Daddy [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:46:12 +0200 From: Noah Shalev Subject: Re: The Pillow Book (RH 0%) hi. I join the idea of not making it a 'war', so just before i start (and i'll be brief) - kisses every body, i love u all!!! The Pillow Book - is far byond post modernizm. Greenway invented here a new language. greenway is not, and never was - a story teller. he is a visual artist. he deals with photograghy, only unlike still artist, his photos got the 3rd dimension - time. This film, takes one step forward. it plays time within itself, using the split screens technic.It's is still a film - and not a new media, but i think, there couldn't be any sirious comparison to other films, defently not the prediction 'bout the worst film. One could not enjoy it, but the worst film?!. the film industry, sure needed a shot like this one, to keep it going on. still luv ya all NOE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:30:43 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy In a message dated 98-01-08 19:26:50 EST, gondola@deltanet.com writes: > I actually got the Puff Daddy album fairly recently. After reading lots of > quick kissoffs like the above, I was expecting some sort of horrendously > crass, gimmicky, one-note tripe a la MC Hammer. I was quite surprised. I > heard a lot of soul there, and the production texture has a real sensuality > to it. I can easily see why it's such a smash. Another selling point: > Having all those guest stars adds a variety that's missing from most rap > albums. And most importantly, hearing Puff reminisce sadly about the > departed Notorious B.I.G. seemed a helluva lot more human and affecting to > me than the usual my-dick-is-bigger perspective of most other rappers. THAT > was quite refreshing. while i don't have the album, and have no intention of getting it, i do think it's funny how many of the most vehement critics of puff's rather over sample happy style are the same people telling me how I HAVE to get the new verve album. like "bitter sweet symphony" too SO much more effort than "I'll be Missing You." at least puff was up against the deadline of wanting his tribute to his friend out asap. ashcroft had all the time he wanted to write his own music (not that i'm really attacking the verve here; i do kinda like "BSS," and didn't like the rest of the album, which may be connected. and yes, i have heard the andrew loog oldham orchestral record he nicked; and the sample is as subliminal as a kick in the bollocks). besides, puff did give Tommy Stinson his most prominant gig in years (ever?) in that video for "It'll All About the Benjamins," and has never tried to get away with claiming his sampling was re- writing, like vanilla ice did to "under pressure." sting never had to threaten to sue puffy to get paid. > In the end, I'm not a real big rap fan and I'll probably dump the album one > day. But I'm certainly not going to take any *shots* at Puff Daddy or his > fans considering what happened to biggie smalls and tupad, is that really a good choice of words? :) really, though, it's so stupid to take potshots at people for the taste in music anyways. if someone gets genuine pleasure and contentment from listening to puff daddy or vanilla ice, more power to them. if everyone agreed on everything, there'd be no point to anything. arguing over what is or isn't good is great fun, but to actually put someone down personally is vile. unless they're a morrissey fan (post "TLOTFIP" era only). :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:21:42 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Royalties/Rew Someone brought up mechanical royalties, and Kimberly Rew's share, in conjunction with The Spice Girls. I've read a fair amount of BMI literature and listened to "Lola vs. Powerman and the Money-go-round" at least twice, but I still fail to understand precisely where the money goes.. Could someone explain? And, which songs did Rew write for the SG's? And if Rew is doing so well, why can't Katrina and the Waves get any distribution in the US or UK? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:38:59 EST From: ismism@juno.com (Glen E Uber) Subject: Long Lost Me fegs, If some of you have been trying to get ahold of me about tape trades, etc., please note this temporary address. Over the last couple month or so, I have had severe computer problems, including a system crash and a dead hard drive. Fortunately (or not) I dusted off the old 386 and am using Juno to keep up with the happenings in the Globe of Fegs. It sucks, but what can I do? Until everything is resolved, please send any correspondence to . Also, I cancelled my other account, so is no longer valid. Anything you may have mailed to that address on or after 20 December, please redirect to this address. I will try to have my "Best of '97" sent somtime this weekend. Luther Dudich and David Baker: I haven't forgotten about your tapes. WOuld each of you please email me so I know how to get in touch with you? Thanks, Glen Uber ismism@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:56:49 -0800 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Feg '97 Lists Statistics Just for fun, I've decided to put together some statistics about the '97 year end lists people have posted. I've used all I could find, but look at the names below and let me know if I've left you out: Donald Snyder, Eb, Gene Hopstetter, Gregory Stuart Shell, Jason Thornton, Jeffrey Vaska, Jim Neill, Lj Lindhurst, Maisie Bomb, Marshall Armintor, Scary Mary, The Great Quail, and trentd. My method wasn't particularly scientific, I couldn't use that spiffy point ranking system we used on the last "best RH song" poll since I don't believe anyone actually ranked their top tens in order. Here are some preliminary results: Most Frequently Mentioned Albums 1. Ok Computer - Radiohead (6 votes) 2. Homogenic - Bjork (5 votes) 3. Time out of Mind - Bob Dylan (4 votes) 4. Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space - Spiritualized (3 votes) 5. I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One - Yo La Tengo (3) 6. Brighten the Corners - Pavement (3) 7. Dots and Loops - Stereolab (3) 8. Earthling - David Bowie (3) 9. Other Songs - Ron Sexsmith (2 votes) 10. Pop - U2 (2) 11. Retreat From the Sun - That Dog (2) 12. Mag Earwhig - Guided By Voices (2) 13. When I Was Born For The Seventh Time - Cornershop (2) 14. Portishead - Portishead (2) 15. Come to Daddy - Aphex Twin (2) There aren't really enough movie lists to get any meaningful results yet, but here are the top five so far: 1. Contact (3 votes) 2. The Sweet Hereafter (2 votes) 3. Titanic (2) 4. Chasing Amy (2) 5. LA Confidential (2) Keep posting those lists, and send me those movie lists. - -- Daniel Saunders Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:17:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy >while i don't have the album, and have no intention of getting it, i do think >it's funny how many of the most vehement critics of puff's rather over sample >happy style are the same people telling me how I HAVE to get the new verve >album. like "bitter sweet symphony" too SO much more effort than "I'll be >Missing You." Speaking of artists that suck.... ;) >besides, puff did give Tommy Stinson >his most prominant gig in years (ever?) in that video for "It'll All About the >Benjamins," and has never tried to get away with claiming his sampling was re- >writing, like vanilla ice did to "under pressure." What does Tommy Stinson do in the video? I haven't seen it. Incidentally, my vote for the all-time most vile plagiarism is Peter Schilling's "Major Tom," which stole the concept of Bowie's "Space Oddity" hook, line and sinker. Somewhere, I have a magazine clipping saved where Schilling explains the song by saying something like "Major Tom was just a name. It could've been Major Bob or Jim just as easily." Implying that he came up with the idea. Wow. Talk about lying through your teeth. :P Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: major tom > Incidentally, my vote for the all-time most vile plagiarism is Peter > Schilling's "Major Tom," which stole the concept of Bowie's "Space Oddity" huh. i always assumed from the title that it was an homage to bowie's song, like bowie's title nods to _2001_. I can't fathom that the guy doesn't credit Bowie at all. Sounds like a jest to me. Sort of like John Lennon saying, "oh, my kid did this drawing called 'lucy in the sky with diamonds.' that's what the song's about." yeah, right. :) =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:20:17 PST From: "Elizabeth Morgan" Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy & Major Tom (Coming Home) A number of people have voiced their opinions of Puff Daddy's "Missing You". I have to say that if anyone wanted to torture me they'd only have to tie me up and make me watch the video. I'd scream and rant like a lunatic. It's almost like muzak and Beatles. I really have to disagree with Eb about Peter Schilling's "Major Tom". That song is one of my favorites from the 80's (as I get misty eyed and nostalgic). And the German version is way cool also! Elizabeth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:40:20 EST From: delavina@juno.com (chris franz) Subject: Homer flyer Here 'tis. All typos will be mine. Try to imagine nice fonts, better spacing, et cetera. - --------------- HOMER as seen on tour with Robyn Hitchcock and heard on 'Moss Elixir/Mossy Liquor' NEW SINGLE "THERE THERE" numbered limited-edition coloured vinyl if you can't find it in your local shop, you can order it while 'supplies last' Artist: Homer Title: Money Pit Volume 4 (There There) Label: Blue Rose/V2 Distributor: 3mv/Pinnacle Cat no: BRRC 5000857 NEW CD "Grow Your Own" available at gigs and mail order only 9 smashing tracks - recorded at various points during 1994-95 including guests musicians such as Andy Metcalfe (Egyptians), Kevin Jamieson (Sundays) and Warren Huart (Star 69). This is a collectors item that was originally available to only Homerama members only on cassette, but due to 'overwhelming demand' it is now available on CD for everyone's listening pleasure. How do you get your copy? Well, you can either buy one at the gig, or send £7.50 (payable to T Keegan) to Homer, Grow Your Own, PO Box 12994, London, NW5 2WT. Contacting and more info on Homer send an SAE to PO Box 12994, London, NW5 2WT via el moderno mundo http://www.foresight.co.uk/homer homer@keyevents.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:22:17 EST From: delavina@juno.com (chris franz) Subject: Largo 9-Jan-98 Tim went on at about 9:30, decked out in a red sweatshirt and black jeans, perched on a stool with his acoustic guitar. A short set, of less than 40 minutes, where he didn't even do "Superkeen"; very good though. Flyers were distributed advertising Homer's new "There There" single and the acoustic CD, the details of which I'll post momentarily. A couple of us Fegs managed to buy some of the very few CDs he brought along, much to our collective delight. After a somewhat too long break, Robyn emerged in purple trousers and a green long sleeve shirt. Silver Dagger All That Money Wants Oh Yeah an Incredible String Band tune I don't know the title of... "Yellow Snake" maybe? Madonna Of The Wasps Jewels For Sophia Viva Sea Tac (to Tim: "Should we do EJ or VST?") I Feel Beautiful Dark Princess (with a Father Joseph pick) Antwoman Lovely. Robyn was in a good mood and had several good long stories in there. I'm guessing rather wildly on the title of the first tune, as it didn't really have a "hook," per se; 'twas a folky tune played without a pick. He set the scene for that with a long spoken introduction, which fused quite well with the song, which I suppose is new. The Furs, Ferry, and String Band covers were a pleasant surprise also. The set was shorter than I'd have liked, but we were satisfied. They were a bit more cohesive as a band this time; no more leaning over to Jon at the piano saying "OK, this one's in F sharp, and every so often goes up to A. And the middle bit drops down to E flat." (an actual quote from November.) I have to confess I'm somewhat of a fan of the more thoroughly produced sound, and am really hopeful about the stuff recorded with Jon. Jon then had a set, during which he played many of the sa-a-ame things he played last time. But he had some new toys, including a stuffed gorilla which played (and danced) the Macarena. He turned it on and incorporated it into something he played on the piano. Jon can get a bit self-indulgent, but the man has talent and I can see why Robyn likes having him in the studio. Anybody know where I can find that album by the Grays? Anyway, Jon, Robyn, and Tim reappeared for an all-too-brief wrap-up. (For those of you keeping score at home, Robyn had switched to a green T-shirt.) Again Robyn started with a long improvised story, this time set to a minimalist score (or was it ambient?) by Jon and Tim. Then: Sister Ray, Sweet Jane, an improv about Cheese, and an improv about being garrotted. Ethan the drummer sprang onto the stage for part of that. He's grown a beard since November. This whole crew has been in the studio recording with Grant Lee Phillips (except, I think, Ethan). They indicated that Grant has the flu, as does Ethan. They'll all be back tonight. We'll also get a set by, of all people, Colin Hay. Ain't southern California great! - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:47:35 -0500 From: "Wookie Conscious" Subject: another top ten.. here it goes: 1. radiohead 2. dylan 3. deus "in a bar, under the sea" 4. yo la tengo 5. cornershop 6. ween 7. flaming lips "zaireeka" 8. helium "magic city" (title?) 9. jim white "wrong-eyed jesus" 10. a tie! blur, pavement, brian eno, negativeland's pepsi thing ok, ten was cheap, but i didn't want to bump any of those out. worst albums: 1. rollins band (i admit, i only heard two songs) 2. blues traveler (was that live thing with the endless songs this year?) 3. space (very disappointing for me) best albums of 1998: (hope it isn't too early) 1. tom waits 2. hitchcock 3. tori amos 4. hitchcock (soundtrack) 5. something else worst of 1998: 1. rollins band (i really have something against this guy) best shows: i saw dylan twice and that was it. i guess those two were the best. - ---shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:48:44 -0800 From: jeffery vaska Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy so asks e-b. > What does Tommy Stinson do in the video? I haven't seen it. he rocks out...that's about it. just plays geetar and looks cool. i got to be honest with you, being a monster replacements fan who is trying to find a way to get them to reunite and go on a world tour with husker du, i was rather surprised to see tommy on the video myself. does anybody know any of the details concerning his participation. i too am not a puffy dad fan, but at least he's doing some things that are pretty interesting - and the music isn't that bad really. and...a couple months ago i got this single by a band who called themselves "grandpa boy." of course, it's a reincarnation of one paul westerberg - i've seen nothing since. does anybody (Eb?) have any new info on what paul is up to and what his asking price will be when i approach him about the reunion tour (of which they should play mostly the older R songs)? ok, enough...ta-ra!...jv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:08:22 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Largo 9-Jan-98 Thanks for the great report Chris. "Silver Dagger" is a traditional folk ditty usually linked to Joan Baez; "The Yellow Snake" is indeed by ISB, it's on _Wee Tam and the Big Huge_. Chris posted: > Silver Dagger > an Incredible String Band tune I don't know the title of... "Yellow > Snake" maybe? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:26:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Daddy >and...a couple months ago i got this single by a band who called >themselves "grandpa boy." of course, it's a reincarnation of one paul >westerberg - i've seen nothing since. does anybody (Eb?) have any new >info on what paul is up to and what his asking price will be when i >approach him about the reunion tour (of which they should play mostly >the older R songs)? I believe that there's a single, an EP AND an album by Grandpaboy. I don't have them. I should buy them one of these days, but I've put it off because I'm not expecting much and I'd like to find a used bargain. Just a collection completer, I'm sure. I can't really picture how Tommy Stinson could be rockin' out and playing geetar in a Puff Daddy video. Where's the rock guitar in Puff Daddy singles?? Comic setup of the day: The new Vogue magazine awards Winona Ryder the honor of 1997's "Best Fur Trim." Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #12 ******************************