From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #10 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 9 1998 Volume 07 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re KR vs SG ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: re KR vs SG [Miles ] Re:17 hour radio show [Mike Scott ] Re: 17 hour radio show [jeffery vaska ] Re: KR vs SG [jeffery vaska ] "Baby Be Good"? [lj lindhurst ] Puff Daddy Still Sucks [Jason Thornton ] Queen Elvis [Jim Moore ] Addicted Noise article 1/9/98 [firstcat@lsli.com] hey, whatever happened to... [lj lindhurst ] Skip Spence Tribute [Rich Plumb ] Re: re KR vs SG [Eb ] The Pillow Book (RH 0%) [The Great Quail ] Re: Skip Spence Tribute [Tom Clark ] Re: Grandpa [Eb ] Re: Hey Grandpa [Eb ] Re: hey, whatever happened to... [Tom Clark ] RE: re KR vs SG ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #9 [cookie ] Re: The Pillow Book (RH 0%) [lj lindhurst ] date q? (sea-tac 2 and radio prequel) [Bayard ] Re: hey, whatever happened to... [John Barrington Jones ] Sugar and Spice and everything Elvis [Jason Thornton ] RE: re KR vs SG [Eb ] Re: Sugar and Spice and everything Elvis [Capuchin ] Just for fun, The Pillow Book again (negative amounts of RH content) [Jas] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:28:58 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: re KR vs SG Aidan confirmed: < He started a rumour that Kimberley had penned some of their songs. I've now definitely confirmed this (well, asked Kimberley - I've ne reason to think he's lying); two b-sides, plus one song from _Spice_ (nothing on _Spiceworld_, though).> Gasp, I didn't know the SG's had as many as three songs. Is their manager asleep or something ? That's almost enough for a 'best of' compilation album. My real point is - doesn't this make Kimberley fegtabulously rich? My assumption is that it's the songwriter who gets all the money from record sales while the mere performer just gets pocket money. Or have I grossly misunderstood how the music industry works? Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 06:51:27 -0600 From: Miles Subject: Re: re KR vs SG At 10:28 AM 1/9/98 +0000, Matthew Knights wrote: >Gasp, I didn't know the SG's had as many as three songs. Is their manager >asleep or something ? That's almost enough for a 'best of' compilation >album. In their forthcoming movie, the Spice Girls' manager is played by the incomparable Richard E. Grant, so at least two worthwhile people are making money off of the gals... >My real point is - doesn't this make Kimberley fegtabulously rich? My >assumption is that it's the songwriter who gets all the money from record >sales while the mere performer just gets pocket money. Or have I grossly >misunderstood how the music industry works? The publishing company gets mechanical royalties, a portion of which may or may not eventually find their way to the songwriter. But it's the record company and the publishing company who, barring a superstar sweetheart deal, pocket most of the proceeds. And mechanicals are so relatively small that an album has to sell a bazillion copies to make $$$ for the non-performing writer -- for instance, Nick Lowe pocketed a cool million because one of his songs (a non-single at that) was covered on THE BODYGUARD's soundtrack. Which means that yeah, Kimberly should have gotten some nice paydays off of the SGs's success, but being a songwriter usually isn't a likely way toward fame and fortune, or even toward making a modest living... later, Miles ====================================================================== "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:03:46 -0500 From: Mike Scott Subject: Re:17 hour radio show Could someone please post the details on this 17 hour radio thingy in the Boston area again? I missed it the first time... thanks- mike (in RI) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:37:15 -0800 From: jeffery vaska Subject: Re: 17 hour radio show Mike Scott wrote: > > Could someone please post the details on this 17 hour radio thingy in the > Boston area again? I missed it the first time... it will last for 17 hours...jv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:36:04 -0800 From: jeffery vaska Subject: Re: KR vs SG re: spice girls - kimberly rew thread... with this newest discovery does anybody else but me wonder just how many different acts kimberly may have written songs for, how he gets these gigs and possibly how much power he's got? like it's any of my business, but geez, writing songs for the spice girls certainly indicates that kimberly has a talent that was most likely sought out. what i mean is that sg is a completely packaged product created for the utmost in marketability from the ground up - hiring the best pop writers (or the most successful ones) was, i would have to believe, a decisive factor for his selection. hmmm... also, due to me absolute fear of the 1998 and the unknown, i hereby declare that for me, on my computer, it will forever be 1997 (and my demo software will NEVER expire!). tschus...jv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: "Baby Be Good"? Who wrote it, and does anyone have the lyrics? Shouldn't I know this? l "I've got Mad Cow Disease" j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:34:26 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Puff Daddy Still Sucks Eb so spoketh: >Jason wrote: >[Worst music of 1997] >>Anything, and everything, by rip-off "artist" Puff Daddy. > >You know, I really don't buy this gripe. Have you actually HEARD "anything >and everything," or are you just writing him off based on "I'll Be Missing >You"? Because you know, "I'll Be Missing You" is probably the worst track >on the whole album. I've heard more than the god-awful "Missing You," but, I admit, not EVERYTHING. I will go on record as saying EVERYTHING PD has released on single, and on video format on MTV, quite simply blows. >If you actually listen to the entire Puff Daddy disc, >there are only three or four songs which depend strongly on associations >with pre-existing music. If anyone wants to send me the entire Puff Daddy disc, I'll gladly listen to it in it's entirety (perhaps skipping the tracks I've already heard), with an open mind, and gladly change my tune - or sample someone else's. ;) I ain't one red cent of my no-so-hard-earned cash on that talentless hack. >One track borrows the riff from Bowie's "Let's >Dance..." Yes, I've heard it, and it's utter crap. >...another uses the film score of Rocky and another borrows the chorus >of Diana Ross' "Theme From 'Mahogany.'" Other tracks use samples too, but >the sources aren't nearly so ingrained in mainstream consciousness (Yma >Sumac, anyone?). Stealing from the lesser known songs is as uncreative as ripping off the songs we ALL know. >There's a big difference between sampling in a creative, >transformative way and sampling merely to exploit the popularity of the >source. Exactly. See The Chemical Brothers or Terminator X for good examples. There's also a big difference in sampling in a creative, transformative way, and ripping off a riff, and then babbling over it in a low-brow, unimaginative manner. >"I'll Be Missing You" does exploit, yes. But most of the other >tracks don't. The other tracks I've heard do as well. As does most modern rap I've listened to as of late. And, I was a fan of rap a few years back - especially of Public Enemy and NWA (until Ice Cube decided to go on record as an anti-Asian bigot). I *do* appreciate hip-hop - I've just grown tired of a good deal of it's cookie-cutter formula, as of late. Add one part someone else's riff, one part BIG DRUM BEAT, and one part uninteresting speaking voice, and BOOM --> million selling record. Rap, to put it simply, has begun to bore the hell out of me. Sing, damn it! I think that's why I prefer electronica - it takes a lot of the best elements of hip-hop...the creative music side...and slices off a lot of the stale bits (like the rapping). And, if you're going to cover a song, just cover a song. Don't make it worse, as in the case of tracks like "Missing You" or "Men In Black." >In the end, I'm not a real big rap fan and I'll probably dump the album one >day. But I'm certainly not going to take any shots at Puff Daddy or his >fans. I will, though...gladly. But, I suppose we should just agree to disagree. Expressing an opinion isn't the same as taking "shots." The top ten lists, here, are, of course, the opinions of those compiling them. I stand by my opinion that Puff Daddy's "music" is the worst attempt at music in 1997. If his fans want to take offense at me NOT LIKING what they like, or disliking what they like, then to Sheol with them. I don't cry like a baby if someone says they don't like Morrissey, nor do I feel anyone is taking shots at me personally if they say he sucks. That, I think, is the more mature response. If these fans of which you speak are so devoted to Mr. Puff that they cannot handle a little criticism, then it is really not my concern. Cheers! - -- Jason R. Thornton // Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson "...the Year 2000 won't change anyone here" - Morrissey, _Reader Meet Author_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:29:00 -0600 From: Jim Moore Subject: Queen Elvis Gosh--it's been forever since I posted to this list. Been away for a few months, but it's nice to be back. I made a happy trade last year with an Englishman--I found him copy of Queen Elvis which he couldn't find in the UK, and he got me a nice little tidbit of something or other RH. But there was another UK dude who wanted a Queen Elvis, and I think I actually conversed with him about procuring a copy. Right about that time, however, I had a major computer meltdown and I'm just now getting back. So--all that to say, if there is someone out there who is still looking for a copy of Queen Elvis, I came across one yesterday (used), and I'll gladly pick it up and we can make some sort of swap. Contact me at: jimm@dbu.edu Cheers, Fegsters. I missed you! Jim Moore The Fegmaniac formerly known as Guambat ************************** "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you no one told you when to run you missed the starting gun" Pink Floyd *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:47:49 From: firstcat@lsli.com Subject: Addicted Noise article 1/9/98 http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/980109/980109_2443.shtml (there is a nice photo of RH leading the story) Wilco, Flaming Lips Get Psychedelic For Skip Spence Tribute Among acts contributing to album honoring work of ex-Moby Grape singer Alexander 'Skip' Spence. Addicted To Noise Senior Writer Gil Kaufman reports : With popular acts such as Wilco, Robyn Hitchcock, the Flaming Lips, Mudhoney and Son Volt lining up to record tracks on a new tribute album, you'd expect the artist they are honoring to be a household name. So, then, who is Alexander "Skip" Spence? If the name doesn't ring a bell, you'd be excused for not remembering the former Moby Grape singer/guitarist, who recorded his wild, experimental, psychedelic solo album, Oar, in 1969 after leaving the pioneering San Francisco rock band because of a chronic mental illness. "I've listened to this album [Oar] a million times and still not understood what it's exactly about," said Bill Bentley, producer of the upcoming More Oar: A Tribute to Alexander "Skip" Spence. Bentley's fascination with obscure but highly influential rock artists was also the fuel behind the wiggy 1990 tribute to Texas psychedelic master and former 13th Floor Elevators leader Roky Erickson, Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye, which featured tracks from R.E.M., ZZ Top, the Jesus and Mary Chain and the Butthole Surfers. (The 13th Floor Elevators are best known for their improbable mid-'60s Top 40 garage-rock masterpiece, "You're Gonna Miss Me.") Bentley said he was inspired to launch the Oar project a few years ago when he found out that Spence, who before joining Moby Grape played drums for the Jefferson Airplane, was in financially dire straits. "I felt he could probably use a boost from the publishing money," Bentley said. "And maybe spiritually from the knowledge that people would still love to hear his songs." The Reprise Records publicist said he first bought the album in 1969 because he was fascinated by the fact that Spence performed every bit of music on his first solo effort. Bentley said it wasn't too hard to find musicians who felt the same way about the music on the record and who were equally eager to expose new fans to Spence's music and lend him a hand in the process. Although Bentley hasn't spoken about the project to Spence, who he said is currently living with his girlfriend in a mobile home in Santa Cruz, Calif., he said the singer's publishing representative has been acting as a go-between, helping to decipher the album's lyrics. "He [the representative] basically calls Skip up and, slowly but surely, he remembers the lyrics to the songs and I pass them along to the artists." The only snag, so far, is that even Spence can't recall the words to the track "Grey/Afro" (RealAudio excerpt of original), which Bentley said might be turned into an instrumental, since no one can seem to figure out what Spence was saying. "I've listened to it a million times and I still can't quite get the lyrics," Bentley explained. The album, which is scheduled for release in the fall of this year on Birdman Records, is also slated to feature tracks from Flying Saucer Attack, Alejandro Escovedo and producer/musician Jim Dickinson [Big Star, Rolling Stones, Replacements] as well as a mid-1980s version of "Lawrence of Euphoria" by San Francisco's Ophelias. "I'm a huge fan, and Skip really wants it to happen," said David Katznelson, 28, CEO of Birdman and vice president of A&R at Reprise. "And we find out every day about people who are big fans." Katznelson cited Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant as just the latest big name to express admiration for Spence's work. Also on Katznelson's wish list is "Land of the Sun," the only track Spence has recorded since Oar, which was intended for inclusion on last year's Songs in the Key of X-Files album, but didn't make the final cut. The song, which Bentley said was "too weird," features Spence repeating the title over and over on top of an eerie drone created by Spence's drumming and former Jefferson Airplane member Jack Cassidy's bass. Katznelson also considered finding someone to cover the five "bizarre" bonus tracks that appeared on the re-issued version of the Oar CD, he said. "My hope is that people will listen to this and be inspired and search out Oar and maybe some Moby Grape albums too, because they're worth it." 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Okay, now here is that same question with lots of cursing: What the hell is the date for the fucking East Coast premiere of goddamned Storefront Hitchcock? lj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:15:44 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Skip Spence Tribute According to Addicted to Noise, Robyn is doing a track on a tribute due in the fall. The mentally damaged Spence's weirdo classic OAR will be covered by various modern rock artists. Great picture of Robyn at http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/980109/980109_2443.shtml rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: re KR vs SG Miles wrought: >In their forthcoming movie, the Spice Girls' manager is played by the >incomparable Richard E. Grant, so at least two worthwhile people are making >money off of the gals... Three. I hear that Elvis Costello has a small role in the film. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 17:01:47 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: The Pillow Book (RH 0%) Eeek, my feathers are ruffled. I usually try to avoid responding to matters of pure opinion -- egads, or I'd be in the Eternal Prog-rock Flame War -- but I just *had* to respond to Jason's scatological comments about The Pillow Book. Accept my apologies in advance for taking a more serious (ponderous, tendentious?) tone than I usually do, as well for using the word "postmodern" more than twice. A-hem: "A Passionate and Mosly Incoherent Defense of The Pillow Book" Jason writes, >Worst Movie of the Year: > >The Pillow Book (what a living piece of shit this piece of crap was - my >gods! - maybe enough good ideas for a 3 minute MTV video, at best - >substanceless drivel To me it was one of the top three movies of the year, another postmodern masterpiece from the (occasionally self-indulgent, but always surprising) Peter Greenaway. I do not wish to start a flame war here, especially about a topic that has nothing to do with Robyn or the Beach Boys, but I do think Jason's critique is unfair and far too emotionally charged to really be objective. ("Worst movie of the year?" Really! That would leave nothing to say about "Batman and Robin!") First of all just because MTV has sunk "postmodern" entertainment to the absolute lowest common denominator (enough almost to make me actually believe Baudrillard!) I feel it is very unfair to compare "The Pillow Book" with MTV merely because they incorporate some of the same tropes: multiple screens, varying styles, quick cuts, and all that jazz. I feel that is a very superficial comparison: MTV's goals are the mere commodification and reproduction of salable images -- the quick fix, pandering to an increasingly debased attention span in order to gain ratings and stay on -- indeed, assist in creating -- a perceived "cutting edge." Greenaway uses some of these same tropes in a more artistic -- and more responsible? -- fashion, that is the creation of a work that purposefully blurs the boundaries of what we call art, and how that art plugs into our erotic and emotional matrix. Indeed, socialization itself becomes a theme in this film, and in many ways "The Pillow Book" calls into question some of the same issues raised by the MTV-ification of our popular culture. "Substanceless drivel?" Hmm. I found it to be one of the most thoughtful and *erotic* movies I've ever seen, and the way which it blended film, literature, and erotica was breathtaking. Like seeing a Barthes essay come to life.(I specifically refer to "The Pleasure of the Text" for those of you who care.) Again, I understand that this type of work is not to everybody's taste, and my opinions remain just that -- opinions. >- Vivian Wu's beauty is about the only thing that >carries this movie along - Vivian Wu's beauty is indeed phenomenal, but I feel so is Ewan MacGregor's, and the sex appeal of both their characters was enough to carry the movie even if it weren't such a great film. >Peter Greenaway gets my vote as the most >talentless twit (spelled with an "a") to direct a movie in the '90's - to >cover my ass, though, "The Cook..." was terrific...) Peter Greenaway a "talentless twit/twat?" Interesting that you contend this but still enjoyed his "The Cook, the Thief, his Wife and her Lover," a brilliant take on Ovid that explored many of the same themes as did "The Pillow Book." That would seem to indicate that he is hardly "talentless." But even so, Greenaway is widely considered one of the greatest directors working in the postmodern mode around today! (Add to that Cronenberg, Lynch, the older Ridley Scott, Doyle. . . .) I admit that his films have a certain array of qualities that open him to criticism of self-indulgence and even claims to the worship of "style over substance," but to call him "talentless" is just plain baseless! Next you'll be ripping on Puff Daddy. I do not wish to insult you or anger you, Jason -- I just wanted to post a different opinion of a movie that I think every Feg should see. Don't take this personally, I liked most of your other selections and I am sure that you are a nice person, kind to hamsters, fruit bats, aging hipsters and all that. Again, just my personal views! (Although Mark Gloster completely agrees with me. Don't you Mark? Mark? "Yes . . . Great . . . Quail . . . .") - --The Great Quail (Admittedly one of the "Capitalism isn't all *that* bad, at least I have a choice in cars" crowd) - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:51:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Puff Daddy Still Sucks >>...another uses the film score of Rocky and another borrows the chorus >>of Diana Ross' "Theme From 'Mahogany.'" Other tracks use samples too, but >>the sources aren't nearly so ingrained in mainstream consciousness (Yma >>Sumac, anyone?). > >Stealing from the lesser known songs is as uncreative as ripping off the >songs we ALL know. That's your view.... >I don't cry like a baby >if someone says they don't like Morrissey, nor do I feel anyone is taking >shots at me personally if they say he sucks. Oh, good...he sucks. ;) And the Chemical Brothers don't suck, but they aren't doing anything worthwhile either. Very clinical -- no soul. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 12:36:04 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Skip Spence Tribute On 1/9/98 12:15 PM, Rich Plumb wrote: >According to Addicted to Noise, Robyn is doing a track >on a tribute due in the fall. The mentally damaged Spence's weirdo >classic OAR will be covered by various modern rock artists. I listened to the RealAudio excerpt of "Grey Afro" and I'm quite interested in hearing the rest of OAR. I'm sure a few of you have the album (and some even bought it when it first came out, eh?), so, any words of wisdom? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:09:21 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Grandpa >as well as a mid-1980s version of >"Lawrence of Euphoria" by San Francisco's Ophelias. Oops, this line didn't register the first time I read the article. Never mind my Ophelias comments. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:07:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hey Grandpa > If the name doesn't ring a bell, you'd be >excused for not > remembering the former Moby Grape >singer/guitarist, who > recorded his wild, experimental, psychedelic >solo album, > Oar, in 1969 after leaving the pioneering San >Francisco > rock band because of a chronic mental illness. Does everyone here have this album? Hope so. It's quite unusual and intriguing. I discovered the disc in an unusual, intriguing way also, but never mind. > "I've listened to this album [Oar] a million >times and still > not understood what it's exactly about," said >Bill Bentley, > producer of the upcoming More Oar: A Tribute to > Alexander "Skip" Spence. Bentley's fascination with > obscure but highly influential rock artists was >also the fuel > behind the wiggy 1990 tribute to Texas psychedelic > master and former 13th Floor Elevators leader Roky > Erickson, Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye, which > featured tracks from R.E.M., ZZ Top, the Jesus >and Mary > Chain and the Butthole Surfers. (The 13th Floor >Elevators > are best known for their improbable mid-'60s Top 40 > garage-rock masterpiece, "You're Gonna Miss Me.") I hear that Bentley actually played in a band with Erickson, at one point. He's a very interesting, knowledgeable man. And Where the Pyramid... is one of my very favorite tribute albums, though it does sell out a bit by promoting several then-upcoming Warner Bros. artists who don't belong (the Judybats, for instance). (And in case you're wondering, my all-time favorite tribute album is Stay Awake, Hal Willner's Disney tribute. In fact, Willner would probably take the top three spots with me -- he's the only one who's ever managed to put together a tribute album with a legitimate sense of conceptual unity, as opposed to sounding like a grabbag collection of B-sides and outtakes.) FYI: The criminally forgotten SF band the Ophelias covered OAR's "Lawrence of Euphoria" back in 1989 on their album, The Big O. Boy, do I hate that I never got a chance to see that band live. > Also on Katznelson's wish list is "Land of the >Sun," the > only track Spence has recorded since Oar, which was > intended for inclusion on last year's Songs in >the Key of > X-Files album, but didn't make the final cut. >The song, > which Bentley said was "too weird," features Spence > repeating the title over and over on top of an >eerie drone > created by Spence's drumming and former Jefferson > Airplane member Jack Cassidy's bass. Wow! I sure hope they get rights to this one! Incidentally, try a websearch for Spence + "Johnny Angel." Angel wrote a fascinating interview feature on Spence a few years ago for LA Weekly which is one of the most memorable music-journalism pieces I've ever read. It's available on the Web, somewhere. I think it may be part of the main Moby Grape website at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1256/. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 12:48:39 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: hey, whatever happened to... On 1/9/98 11:58 AM, lj lindhurst wrote: >...the idea about the t-shirts? I've got a design. There were a few things I was waiting for before proceeding: A) Motivation. The holiday break stripped me of the will to do anything other than work and drink. 2) www.fegmania.org. Before comitting our URL to cloth, I was hoping it would change from smoe to fegmania. Wot's the word on this, Woj? You can view the shirtback graphic at: http://u2.netgate.net/~tclark/robyn/shirtback.jpg The front will probably have a little textual stuff on the left breast. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:34:41 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: re KR vs SG - ----------original message, from Eb----------------------- Miles wrought: >In their forthcoming movie, the Spice Girls' manager is played by the >incomparable Richard E. Grant, so at least two worthwhile people are making >money off of the gals... Three. I hear that Elvis Costello has a small role in the film. ;) Eb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- You may be confusing the film _Straight To Hell_, in which Elvis Costello has a small role, to the Spice Girls movie, which will simply be hell. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:47:17 -0500 From: cookie Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #9 help! i have been without being able to get my email- only to see the robyn Boston area thing-what is this??? thanks-cookie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:00:52 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: The Pillow Book (RH 0%) Watching The Pillow Book = Hornets In Your Head for 3 hours Aren't I active today? lj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: date q? (sea-tac 2 and radio prequel) I understand from Chris W. that the Sea-Tac II tree is alive and growing. DAThead fegs who are on the tree will get a radio show tacked on as filler on their 60 meter tape. The source of this show is Cynthia P-- hope i got your address right, it's from memory. can you give us the date and station? I believe it's kcmu 6-7-97, and sea-tac II was 6-13-97? that's from memory as well. Please confirm, deny or otherwise help out. the best thing about this radio spot is, robyn ALMOST mentions sea-tac II, but someone (either tim or steve) shushes him up. it is a SECRET gig, after all... #b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:20 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: hey, whatever happened to... >On 1/9/98 11:58 AM, lj lindhurst wrote: > >>...the idea about the t-shirts? I think we should have one that says, "MORE SONGS ABOUT TOAST!" with a slice of toast in the middle of the shirt. and maybe a "please?" in print at the bottom. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:57:55 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Sugar and Spice and everything Elvis "Chaney, Dolph L" suggested: >----------original message, from Eb----------------------- > >Miles wrought: >>In their forthcoming movie, the Spice Girls' manager is played by the >>incomparable Richard E. Grant, so at least two worthwhile people are >making >>money off of the gals... > >Three. I hear that Elvis Costello has a small role in the film. ;) > >Eb > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-------- > >You may be confusing the film _Straight To Hell_, in which Elvis >Costello has a small role, to the Spice Girls movie, which will simply >be hell. As true as that last phrase is, I too seem to remember hearing that Costello would be making some sort of appearance in the Spice Girls movie. In fact, I just checked the Internet Movie Database, and Elvis is most definitely appearing in "Spiceworld" (sounds like Dune II), as are a helluva lot of other people, including Meat Loaf, John Cleese, Elton John, Roger Moore, George Wendt, Bob Geldof, and, most depressingly, Kid in the Hall Mark McKinney. - -- Jason R. Thornton // Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson "...the Year 2000 won't change anyone here" - Morrissey, _Reader Meet Author_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:04:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: re KR vs SG >Three. I hear that Elvis Costello has a small role in the film. ;) > >Eb > >You may be confusing the film _Straight To Hell_, in which Elvis >Costello has a small role, to the Spice Girls movie, which will simply >be hell. Nope, I did hear that Costello is in the Spice Girls film. I believe he appears in a scene as a bartender?? Anyone know for sure? Eb np: Led Zeppelin/BBC Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sugar and Spice and everything Elvis On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jason Thornton wrote: > In fact, I just checked the Internet Movie Database, and Elvis is most > definitely appearing in "Spiceworld" (sounds like Dune II), as are a > helluva lot of other people, including Meat Loaf, John Cleese, Elton John, > Roger Moore, George Wendt, Bob Geldof, and, most depressingly, Kid in the > Hall Mark McKinney. I don't see why this information should surprise anyone. All of these names are notorious sell-outs that will do anything for a little public face time and a paycheck (with the possible exception of Bob Geldof, but I'm pretty sure he's related in the same way as Kimberley Rew... after all, until this horrific Candle97 thing, he was responsible for the biggest British single of all time). J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:18:48 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Soul-less Eb retaliated: >>I don't cry like a baby >>if someone says they don't like Morrissey, nor do I feel anyone is taking >>shots at me personally if they say he sucks. > >Oh, good...he sucks. ;) EVIL! Heh heh. >And the Chemical Brothers don't suck, but they aren't doing anything >worthwhile either. Very clinical -- no soul. Hmmm. This seems a criticism leveled at a lot of electronic music for some reason. The Chem. Bros. have always struck me as being on the more "soulful" side of electronica - a lot of energy, and a great groove (which is the best definition of "soul" I can think of, besides perhaps the "immortal spirit of the inner human"). Cheers! Jason (who was once publicly called a "racist" for saying he didn't like Puff Daddy, so that might explain why he's a bit punchy on the subject) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:08:03 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Just for fun, The Pillow Book again (negative amounts of RH content) The Great Quail done and said: The last thing said: >I do not wish to insult you or anger you, Jason -- I just wanted to post >a different opinion of a movie that I think every Feg should see. Oh, I most certainly take NO offense at a disagreement in opinion, and welcome your comments on the film. I, without a doubt, had a strong, unfavorable reaction to the movie - a very deep emotional dislike for it - which is simply WHY it my made "worst" list. Perhaps I should have just left my worsts of my Top 10 message - they seem to have caused much more controversy than I intended. :) >Don't >take this personally, I liked most of your other selections and I am sure >that you are a nice person, kind to hamsters, fruit bats, aging hipsters >and all that. Except for the part about the hamsters, you're 100% correct. >To me it was one of the top three movies of the year, another postmodern >masterpiece from the (occasionally self-indulgent, but always surprising) >Peter Greenaway. I really wasn't surprised at all by The Pillow Book. In fact, I found it extremely dull, and completely uninteresting. Yikes. I know that's harsh, but I really HATED it - and, in turn, have really grown to dislike Greenaway as a director. :) >("Worst movie of the year?" Really! That would leave >nothing to say about "Batman and Robin!") Oh yeah, I forgot. I should've had a whole list. ;) >...I feel it is very unfair to compare "The Pillow >Book" with MTV merely because they incorporate some of the same tropes: >multiple screens, varying styles, quick cuts, and all that jazz. I, unfortunately, just didn't see anything beyond that. I didn't feel Greenaway accomplished anything beyond the superficial. At best, the Pillow Book struck me as an exercise in style alone, lacking in any real thematic thrust beyond the recycling of really cool-looking Asian images. (MTV ended up imitating "The Pillow Book" in its ads for the last MTV Award show.) Now, to be honest, I don't think this is necessary *unartistic* in and of itself, but the movie seemed to lack direction and variety - more just the same five or six images heavy-handedly hammered into your head. The best part of the movie was some of the imagery, but I just think Greenaway lacks the vision to piece it together in a meaningful way, or to supply enough of it to move the film along for 3 hours. >I found it to be one of the >most thoughtful and *erotic* movies I've ever seen, and the way which it >blended film, literature, and erotica was breathtaking. Actually, all I saw was ONE interesting visual metaphor on the subject, shown over and over and over again, in the same fashion. Admittedly, I DID find the *flesh as page* symbolism quite appealing at first, but before long, it became repetitive, over-emphasized, and cumbersome - to the point of, I almost hate to say it again, major heavy-handedness. Sure it was *erotic,* but I didn't think in a "thoughtful" way - hell, most TV commercials and newstand magazines are "erotic" to some degree. I didn't feel the erotic elements really revealed anything. >>- Vivian Wu's beauty is about the only thing that >>carries this movie along - > >Vivian Wu's beauty is indeed phenomenal, but I feel so is Ewan >MacGregor's, and the sex appeal of both their characters was enough to >carry the movie even if it weren't such a great film. Granted. :) MacGregor doesn't really strike me as a sexually appealing individual...but perhaps I overlooked his potential appeal to many others. >Peter Greenaway a "talentless twit/twat?" Interesting that you contend >this but still enjoyed his "The Cook, the Thief, his Wife and her Lover," >a brilliant take on Ovid that explored many of the same themes as did >"The Pillow Book." That would seem to indicate that he is hardly >"talentless." Unlike the Pillow Book, I felt "The Cook..." succeeded because of a more substantive plot, and the fact that substance was not overlooked for the sake of style. "Talentless" may have been a bit harsh, but I really think his work, overall, is vastly overrated. "Prospero's Books" probably started me on this vein of thinking. By "talentless" I really mean more that I don't really feel he is as talented as many make him out to be. He's, in my book, not a Lynch, Scott, Stone or Tarantino by any stretch of the imagination. I suppose, though, it goes to show - no matter how much I might seem to hate someone's work or something, I'll still give them/it the benefit of the doubt, and credit where I believe it is due. >Next you'll be ripping on Puff Daddy. Ai-ya! Damn Puff Daddy to the Third Circle of Rapper Hell! ;) Back to the last thing said, again: >I do not wish to insult you or anger you, Jason It takes a LOT more than that to insult and anger me. :) Heh heh. Try Morrissey bashing. ;) I hope I haven't insulted or angered you any more, either. You know what they say about opinions and assholes... ;) Don't take my opinions too seriously. >Again, just my personal views! (Although Mark Gloster completely agrees >with me. Don't you Mark? Mark? "Yes . . . Great . . >. Quail . . . .") In THAT case, if Mark agrees with you, I change my mind completely. Please remove "Lost Highway" from Top 10 list, and replace it with the Pillow Book. ;) Many happies, and no hard feelings (I hope)! - -- Jason R. Thornton // Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson "...the Year 2000 won't change anyone here" - Morrissey, _Reader Meet Author_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #10 ******************************