From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #100 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 17 1997 Volume 06 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Louise Woodward new Spice Girls manager shock ! ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: Charlie the Missing Higson? [M R Godwin ] Re: Kevin Ayres Query (No RH) [M R Godwin ] Re: Kevin Ayers Query (No RH) [Eb ] Re: Oh please! (RH content added at end) [M R Godwin ] Hearbreak Hotel [Rich Plumb ] Re: Heartbreak Hotel [M R Godwin ] Tape Tree/J-Cards [hal brandt ] Robyn [Alfred Masciocchi ] Re: Heartbreak Hotel [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: read all about him [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] ATTN: Colorado fegs (?!?) ["Glen E. Uber" ] Re: Capuchin's familiar [Capuchin ] Bowelled Over Again, or Hand Me a Valve Job, Bingo [shmac@ix.netcom.com (] Re: Heartbreak Hotel [Eb ] Re: Hearbreak Hotel [Noe Shalev ] "you're a hot dog, but you'd better not try to hurt her." ["Capitalism Bl] Sunnnday morning/Ohhh you kno-ow [Eb ] Re: Kevin Ayres Query (No RH) [Terrence M Marks ] Bobby D. (0% Robyn) [Hedblade ] Re: Bobby D. (0% Robyn) [Eb ] And not one act I enjoy :/ [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:15:20 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Louise Woodward new Spice Girls manager shock ! Louise Woodward in new Spice Girls manager shock ! It seems her first move will be to drop Baby Spice. _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:24:48 +0200 (IST) From: Noe Shalev Subject: Re: Kevin Ayres Query (No RH) On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Baker, David(KWI-C09) wrote: > Has anyone on this list heard much Kevin Ayres? I have been interested in > hearing some of his music since I read about his Syd Barrett tribute track > 'Oh Wot A Dream' in the Barrett biography. I've read various good things > about his solo work and do own the first Soft Machine album (which I was > disappointed in at first but grew to enjoy). Can anyone here offer some > insight the kind of music he has produced and whether it is worth chasing up > (and where to start)? It seems to be very difficult to find any of his > pre-80'... hi i've got at home an old record (late 60's i think or maybe early 70's), it's called Eggsplenation or somthing like that and also i didn't listen to it recently, i recall it is superb. m/ oldfield plays the guitar on that record. apart from that there was a gig in 1971 when Kevin played with eno, John Cale Nico and some other friends, it came out on a record, called after the gigs date somthing on june or july 71, i think i saw this one on a disk as well. if u want the exact names and labels - just write to me - i can check it out when I'm home - all the best noe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:57:54 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Charlie the Missing Higson? On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Bradley372 wrote: > Yes, Charlie Higson is the very same fella as made (in)famous in "Listening to > the Higsons." He went into screen/TV writing and writes for the Fast Show. Q > magazine recently had an article on them in their "Where Are They Now Column." He also appears on the show. He is the rich landowner who has such an awkward relationship with Paul Whitehouse as the tenant. Not only that, but he has apparently just published a novel. - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:53:55 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Kevin Ayres Query (No RH) On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Baker, David(KWI-C09) wrote: > Has anyone on this list heard much Kevin Ayres? There was a time when I used to go to Kevin Ayers (sp.) gigs regularly. I saw him once with the Soft Machine, and numerous times with the Whole World and other backing bands. 'Shooting at the Moon' with the Whole World is probably the best album, featuring David Bedford on keyboards, Lol Coxhill on sax, and a bloke called Mike Oldfield on guitar, who later became extremely famous. But as with all KA records, it does have a messy side. I was talking to Lol once and he said that there were some excellent jams and pieces recorded during the sessions which were better than some of the album tracks. Other recommended records are 'Joy of a Toy' (his first solo album), 'Whatevershebringswesing', and 'Bananamour' (which features "O wot a dream"). And of course there is the ACNE live record '1974' featuring Ayers, Cale, Nico and Brian Eno, plus a band including Ollie Halsall on guitar. Ayers is an interesting link between a number of scenes. He is a founder of the Canterbury sound (Caravan, Soft Machine, Hatfield and the North etc) but has spent a lot of time in France and Majorca, where he has worked with Gong and Steve Hillage among others. He was well into the 60s London psychedelic scene. KA left the Soft Machine when they got into jazz. Some of his songs are bloody great ('Lady Rachel', 'Shouting in a bucket blues', 'Colores para Dolores') but others are slight and inane (e.g. "I've got a hard-on for you baby"). The records frequently have that OTT Harvest label production (orchestras, choirs, drivel) when they would be better with just a guitar or two. On the other hand a song like "Stranger in blue suede shoes" sounds pretty good even today. Favourite live KA moments include an inspired story about a jealous airman scaring his wife's lover to death, while the Whole World played "aircraft looping the loop" noises; a gig with Gong where he fell off the stage drinking a bottle of wine, yelling "Here's to the management"; and a couple of terrifying versions of "We did it again" (a song which consists of the line "We did it again, and then we did it again" repeated for some 10-15 minutes). He was once given a big build-up (mid-70s) by a management convinced that he ought to be as big as Bowie, but KA has always had a basically off-hand attitude, and never pursued fame with any tenacity. I have seen him perform recently (i.e. within the last 5 years) but it was an amiable strum-through of old material rather than anything special. Key lyric: "So let's drink some wine and have a good time But if you wnat to come through, let the good times have you" - - Mike Godwin PS The obligatory Robyn Hitchcock link is that KA was managed by Peter Jenner, former manager of Syd Barrett and Robyn Hitchcock. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:03:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kevin Ayers Query (No RH) >apart from that there was a gig in 1971 when Kevin played with eno, John >Cale Nico and some other friends, it came out on a record, called after >the gigs date somthing on june or july 71, i think i saw this one on a >disk as well. if u want the exact names and labels - just write to me - i >can check it out when I'm home - It was 1974, not 1971. I bought a Kevin Ayers (that's A-Y-E-R-S) record once...I think it was "Yes, We Have No Mananas." Or uhhh...maybe "Confessions of Dr. Dream." Hmm. Whatever it was, the record was sort of interesting and unusual, but just sounded like a proggy '70s relic at day's end. I might still have it around in my "discard pile"...I'm not sure at the moment. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Oh please! (RH content added at end) > On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > > - Mike Godwin, MCMLXXXXVII > > (and incidentally, why isn't it MIIIM ?) On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Capuchin wrote: > Actually, it's MCMLXLVII. And it's not MIIIM because you can only > discount the lesser value immediately to the left of the larger value. > You can't add some things up and then subract them. [snippet] > I'm also under the impression that there is some rule about how many > values down you can go before subtraction becomes meaningless. That is to > say, you can go with IV for 4 and IX for 9, but you can't say IL for 49. MRG: This is very helpful. I have a feeling that the Romans also didn't obey their own rules, which is why the clocks say IIII and not IV. > And then on Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Bayard wrote: > > yeah right mike, i suppose you think metric makes more sense than what > > we use, too! ;) Capuchin responds: > Metric is more arbitrary base ten silliness. Wow, most of us have five > fingers per hand and have to use them to count, let's base our entire > system on finger counting! Garbage! M R Godwin again: My gripe against metric is that it can't cope with two of the basic fractions: one-quarter and one-third. Ergo, a system to the base 12 must be superior to base 10. But 12s can't cope with one-fifth, so maybe you have to go to base 60 for a really good system. Certainly that was what the Babylonians did. RH content: I caught a couple of numbers on the Kershaw show last night: "If you were a priest" and "de Chirico Street". Did anyone hear the whole session? "Priest" had a different middle verse, rhyming "cloisters" with "oysters"; and he was having a lot of trouble hitting the top "ah" in DCS. - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Hearbreak Hotel I was listening to the great Soft Boys recording from Lady Mitchell Hall and was struck by how similar their version of Heartbreak Hotel was to the version sung by John Cale on the album "June 1, 1974". This album credited to Nico/Eno/Cale/Ayers from a one-off gig at the Rainbow has long been one of my favorites. Was this a popular album in Great Britain and is it know if Robyn attended and/or has professed admiration for the performers (outside of Velvet Underground of course). rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:13:54 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Heartbreak Hotel On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Rich Plumb wrote: > I was listening to the great Soft Boys recording from Lady Mitchell Hall > and was struck by how similar their version of Heartbreak Hotel > was to the version sung by John Cale on the album "June 1, 1974". > This album credited to Nico/Eno/Cale/Ayers from a one-off gig at the > Rainbow has long been one of my favorites. Was this a popular album > in Great Britain and is it know if Robyn attended and/or has professed > admiration for the performers (outside of Velvet Underground of course). I'm not sure how popular it was, but it was certainly a trendy album among students and NME-readers. Dog-eared copies still turn up in the secondhand record fairs, so I think it must have sold quite a few copies. The topic of 'Heartbreak Hotel' has been broached previously, and fegs agree that the Soft Boys definitely copy the Cale arrangement. I don't think RH has ever expressed a view on Kevin Ayers, but they did share a manager (see previous post). RH is certainly a fan of Brian ("Biriyani Ferret") Ferry, who founded Roxy Music with Brian Eno; and of David Bowie, who has made albums with Brian Eno. - - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:12:01 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Tape Tree/J-Cards Fellow fegs, My hard drive crashed and I lost everything including mail archives. I'm trying to piece things back together. Would someone please point me to the new Crablings j-cards and also please send me (off list) the info for the RH "Christmas" Tape Tree? Also, anyone I'm currently involved in a trade with should contact me to make sure I have your snailmail and trade details (M. Brage, Tony Blackman, Gary Sedgewick, Elizabeth). Sorry. Apple's "Flashing Question Mark" problem strikes again. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:32:57 -0600 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: Robyn Apologies if this has been posted before (although I don't recall seeing it...) RH appeared at a gig in early November (I think 1 Nov). It was a memorial for John Bauldie. John was the editor of The Telegraph, a superior Bob Dylan magazine. He died in a helicopter crash a year ago. Anyway, Robyn reprised his Dylan Albert Hall May 1966 set at the show. I don't have a set list, but I do know a video exists of the show. Al ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:46:25 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Heartbreak Hotel >I'm not sure how popular it was, but it was certainly a trendy album among >students and NME-readers. Dog-eared copies still turn up in the secondhand >record fairs, so I think it must have sold quite a few copies. The topic >of 'Heartbreak Hotel' has been broached previously, and fegs agree that >the Soft Boys definitely copy the Cale arrangement. It may not be that particular album that Robyn takes the arrangement from. Cale did a studio version that appears on the album "Slow Dazzle" ('76 I believe) and there is also a similar (solo piano this time) arrangement on the 1992 live album "Fragments of a Rainy Season". Basically it's one of his signature things. There's no mistaking the fact that the Soft Boys were doing a Cale cover, not an Elvis cover :). >I don't think RH has ever expressed a view on Kevin Ayers, but they did >share a manager (see previous post). RH is certainly a fan of Brian >("Biriyani Ferret") Ferry, who founded Roxy Music with Brian Eno; and of >David Bowie, who has made albums with Brian Eno. And of John Cale, who also worked with Brian Eno on that album, "Slow Dazzle" as well as "Fear" and "Helen of Troy", all seminal albums in Cale's career (it's hard to say how much influence Eno had, since Cale not Eno is listed as producer on all three- I'm sure he was more influential on the overall sound than the "synthesizers" credited to him would indicate though :)). And indeed of the Velvet Underground, of which John Cale was of course a member. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:40:45 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: read all about him >Shambala Press has just published a new book by Dimitri Ehrlich >titled "Inside the Music: Conversations with Contemporary Musicians >about Spirituality, Creativity and Consciousness." Included >among the musicians interviewed are Perry Farrell, Iggy Pop, >Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Allen Ginsberg, Al Green, Leonard Cohen, >The Reverend Run, Robyn Hitchcock, and the late Jeff Buckley. > >Hmm, sounds interesting. And just in holiday time for that hard-to-buy-for >music nut acquaintance! Yeah it does! Thanks muchly for telling us all about it. This goes on my Christmas list along with the last Greil Marcus book (which I went to see him promote when it came out but couldn't afford a copy to get signed :)). >Did any Chicago area fegs make it to the Dylan shows? Unfortunately I spent Saturday and Sunday (spent is a good word for it, because I am, still :)) helping someone move, so I did not get a chance to go. Did anyone else go, and if you did, anything noteworthy to report? Speaking of Chicago, I thought I should mention that we will have a list notable visiting our fair greater Chicago area *grin* from a long ways away, and she thought (and I heartily agree) that a feg-together would not be amiss. I'm thinking Saturday night would be good for this (possibly at the Old Town Ale House?). Mail me soon please if you're interested. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:43:32 -0700 From: "Glen E. Uber" Subject: ATTN: Colorado fegs (?!?) fegs, My fiancee and I are going to be in Grand Junction, CO from 27 Dec - 5 Jan and would like to hook up with any fegs within driving distance (2 or so hours one way -- i.e. Denver and Salt Lake City are out of the question). Please email me privately and we can set something up. New Years Eve plans? Any good shows? Skiing? Carol grew up there, so I will have to defer to her on whether things are within a reasonable distance of Grand Junction. She has friends in Denver and Pueblo, and there is talk of making a trek to one of those places, perhaps midweek (New Years Eve?), so Denver might not be TOTALLY out of consideration. Hope to hear from some of you. L'Chaim! - --g "If we were meant to be naked, we would have been born that way." --source unknown * * * * * * * * Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:13:51 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Capuchin's familiar On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Eb wrote: > Um, this begs the question: Why do you regularly play with yo-yos at rock > concerts?? I've found that rock concerts include lots of waiting. I don't always wait well. So I bring a yo-yo. J. --trying to disguise the fact that this monkey ALWAYS plays with a yo-yo. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:52:32 -0600 (CST) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Bowelled Over Again, or Hand Me a Valve Job, Bingo > You could get a >Tropical Flesh Mandala with bowels that open up and close.... I thought (and fervently hope) it's "valves" that open up and close very tight together. 8^D ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications 3052 S. Buchanan St., #A1 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com Gestation Station: www.prodigaldog.com/baby/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:03:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Heartbreak Hotel >It may not be that particular album that Robyn takes the arrangement from. >Cale did a studio version that appears on the album "Slow Dazzle" ('76 I >believe) 1975. >And indeed of the Velvet Underground, of which John Cale was of course >a member. I hear they're pretty good. I'm bummed because I forgot to watch the Hanson Christmas special last week. Oh well, at least I caught the Kathie Lee special. Best line of the year, by critic Tom Shales: "Kathie Lee sings songs like she's mad at them." Heh heh heh. Eb, who has a copy of that June 1, 1974 record in his discard pile someplace ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:54:01 +0200 (IST) From: Noe Shalev Subject: Re: Hearbreak Hotel On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Rich Plumb wrote: > > I was listening to the great Soft Boys recording from Lady Mitchell Hall > and was struck by how similar their version of Heartbreak Hotel > was to the version sung by John Cale on the album "June 1, 1974". > > This album credited to Nico/Eno/Cale/Ayers from a one-off gig at the > Rainbow has long been one of my favorites. Was this a popular album > in Great Britain and is it know if Robyn attended and/or has professed > admiration for the performers (outside of Velvet Underground of course). > > rich > Robyn said in one of his interviews that as ateen he adored Eno ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:25:28 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "you're a hot dog, but you'd better not try to hurt her." many thanks to the person that tipped us off about this new book. i just finished reading the chapter with robyn. it was pretty funny, actually. i'd tried to find it last night. my sister happened to be in the bookstore at the same time, "what are you doing here?" "robyn hitchcock is interviewed in some book!!!" "i meant, i thought you refused to shop at borders?" [it's a union- busting company.] "i'm not buying anything, i just want to read it. where's the music section?!" but they didn't have it at borders, so i had to read it at barnes 'n' noble. people keep saying that robyn is reticent or ill-at-ease talking with fans or interviewers. i've gotta say that i've never felt that to be the case. neither in my VERY limited experiences speaking to him, or, especially, in interviews. he's ALWAYS, near as i can tell, very friendly, witty, funny, insightful and intelligent. and that's certainly the case in this book, though his section is only eight pages or so. there are plenty of sig-worthy quotes in there, but i won't spoil it for anyone. ehrlich just basically lets robyn do all the talking for the most part, which is good, because he kind of doesn't know what he's talking about (ehrlich.) he thinks that Queen Elvis the song is on QUEEN ELVIS the album, and he thinks it's an annoying song. (!) also, he says it was a big college-radio hit. i don't remember anything like that, and i was in college at the time. i do, however, very vividly remember purchasing QUEEN ELVIS. we'd just had a huge snowstorm. i've lived in seattle 26 years, and that's the only time i can remember it snowing in march. so anyway, i had a break between classes, and went over to get the record, but they didn't have it on the shelves. i asked, "isn't there supposed to be a new robyn hitchcock record out today?" i was worried it hadn't got delivered because of the snow, but they went in the backroom and got it for me. anyhow, after reading that, i'm almost more excited for the book to come out than the movie. just something marvelous about reading robyn in a real, actual book, rather than a magazine. the book itself looks pretty good. probably make a very nice xmas present, susie. i didn't even read the billy bragg part, either. so there, quail. that would've been the o'donoghue interview. actually, he hung out with eno, though he was a bit younger, so he wasn't as cool, is how he put it. i don't remember exactly, but he says something like eno was a velvet underground groupie, and robyn was an aparatchik vu groupie. something like that. Fuck You! I won't do what you tell me! (repeat fourteen times) --Rage Against the Machine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:45:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Sunnnday morning/Ohhh you kno-ow >i don't remember exactly, but he says something like eno was a >velvet underground groupie, and robyn was an aparatchik vu groupie. I've always wondered if it's coincidence that the opening lines of "Needles in the Camel's Eye," the first song on Eno's first album, are the same melody as "Sunday Morning," the first song on VU's first album. Hmmmm. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:28:27 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Kevin Ayres Query (No RH) Only thing I know about him, apart from the Soft Machine albums is that he did "Singing a Song in the Morning", a saccharine little number that Syd Barrett is rumoured to have sang and played on. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:47:56 EST From: Hedblade Subject: Bobby D. (0% Robyn) << >Did any Chicago area fegs make it to the Dylan shows? >> In the spirit of Christmas and all, I gave my tickets and passes to a friend who's done A LOT of favors for me and my bro. this past year. According to the reports, they weren't just good shows, they were INCREDIBLE. Some are saying they are to become legendary shows for Mr. Z. Hmmmmm, were those favours REALLY worth it? ;) Blinking on and off, Jay H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:00:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bobby D. (0% Robyn) ><< >Did any Chicago area fegs make it to the Dylan shows? >> > >In the spirit of Christmas and all, I gave my tickets and passes to a friend >who's done A LOT of favors for me and my bro. this past year. According to >the reports, they weren't just good shows, they were INCREDIBLE. Some are >saying they are to become legendary shows for Mr. Z. Hmmmmm, were those >favours REALLY worth it? ;) The Dylan shows in LA start tonight, and I couldn't get tickets. :( Eb, sorry to hear about Simon Jeffes np: High Llamas/Cold and Bouncy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:19:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: And not one act I enjoy :/ Regarding the earlier "biggest band" thread.... Performance Magazine's 1997 Top 10 Grossing Acts in North America: 1. Rolling Stones: 33 of 33 played dates; attendance: 1,511,954; gross: $89,533,039 2. U2: 44 out of 44 played dates; attendance, 1,565,323; gross: $77,749,004 3. Metallica: 82 completed dates; attendance: 1,172,028; gross: $36,650,340 4. Fleetwood Mac: 44 completed dates; attendance: 759,575; gross: $36,183,780 5. Reba McEntire/Brooks & Dunn: 69 completed dates; attendance: 835,052; gross: $33,466,804 6. Garth Brooks: 109 completed dates; attendance: 1,440,189; gross: $26,309,165 7. Tina Turner: 68 completed dates; attendance: 800,785; gross: $24,166,594 8. Jimmy Buffett: 34 of 38 played dates; attendance: 678,228; gross: $20,898,769 9. Phish: 43 of 49 played dates; attendance: 779,523; gross: $20,297,066 10. Kenny G/Toni Braxton: 54 completed dates; attendance: 463,177; gross: $18,965,302 Phish? Sheesh. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #100 *******************************