From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #96 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 13 1997 Volume 06 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: biggest band in the world [John Barrington Jones ] Re: The Kinks (no RH) [Ner ] Re: The Kinks (no RH) [Ner ] Re: biggest band in the world [Ner ] Re: Love & Forever Changes (RH=0%) [M R Godwin ] Re: little rhythmic arcs of red [M R Godwin ] Brushes with fame redux (no RH content) [Natalie Jacobs ] The Wreck of the Secret Gig ["Matthew Knights" ] RH on VH......1 ["FROST C.N" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #95 [Carole Reichstein ] TAPE TREE [dwdudic@erols.com (luther w dudich)] Fame with brushes [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: biggest band in the world [KarmaFuzzz ] Re: Yet more brushes with fame [KarmaFuzzz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:24:35 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: biggest band in the world >but the debate should be, who could fill a stadium, any size, anywhere, on a >whim? > >michael jackson folks! can y'all think of any others? Well, Prince (or The Acronym blah blah blah) has been doing filling arenas off and on all this year, with bare bones promotion. They put ads in the local paper the week before, and call some radio stations. For someone who just 2 yrs ago was a slave, he sure is living high off the hog. (actually, i don't think he ever stopped). - -jbj, whose musical skeletons include Prince and Soul Coughing. - -jbj - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# John B. Jones Email: lobstie@e-z.net House of Figgy-- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html "When you're down/ It's a long way up When you're up/ It's a long way down It's all the same thing/ No new tale to tell" -Love & Rockets - -*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-#-*-# ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:13:40 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: The Kinks (no RH) Terrence M Marks wrote: > Am I the only dude on this list who thinkgs that "Face in the Crowd" is a > great song? > (off of Soap Opera) > [Or am I the only dude on the ist who has a copy of Soap Opera, for that > matter?] You are not alone. I used to have 'Soap Opera' on vinyl years ago and I've always been partial to it and 'Schoolboys in Disgrace'. It seems that everyone on this list has a pretty low regard for 'Soap Opera' so I've kept quiet until now. Glad to know I'm not alone in my appreciation for 'Face in the Crowd'. Alas, I no longer have a copy of either of these releases. When I tried to order them through a local CD store recently I found that they are both now out of print. Oh well. Does anyone out there know where I might be able to find these? I haven't heard either one of them in years and I would surely like to... - -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:33:30 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: The Kinks (no RH) amadain wrote: > >Am I the only dude on this list who thinkgs that "Face in the Crowd" is a > >great song? > >(off of Soap Opera) > > Perhaps. > > This chick thinks it's a great song, though, if that counts :). One of my > favorites. Yay!!! It's nice to see good things being said about some of the stuff on 'Soap Opera'. For awhile there I thought I was alone in my appreciation of it. - -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:45:07 -0500 From: Ner Subject: Re: biggest band in the world Eb wrote: > I don't think that the Spice Girls fit the definition of a "band." They're > singers. > > >From what I hear, their new album isn't doing so hot saleswise, anyway. I > had to admit that "Wannabe" was a DAMN catchy song, but boy, that salsa-y > single they're promoting nowadays is a ZERO. In a recent 'Entertainment Weekly' I read an article about the Spice Girls and the signs that things might be starting to come unraveled for them. They fired there manager for reasons unknown. Apparently he was paid a large sum of money to keep quiet about the reasons for the split so he's not talking. The article also mentions the lukewarm sales of their new release although this is only in comparison to the sales of the first album. It will still go platinum if it hasn't already done so but the projections are that it won't come near the sales of the first album. Plenty of people are still buying it though I don't know anyone who owns any of their music - at least no one who will admit it. Also the advance screenings of their upcoming movie have been extremely negative. The thing I found most amusing in the article is the mention that, in England, alot of betting is going on as to the exact date they will crash and burn. It looks like media backlash is taking hold.... - -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:09:15 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Love & Forever Changes (RH=0%) On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Jon Kanis wrote: > At the risk of stirring up controversy, Forever > Changes gets my vote for best album of all time. Maybe. But the best half-album of all time is incontrovertibly 'da Capo'. Side 1 is so perfect, Side 2 is so bleeagh. Other nominations for excellent half-albums: The Only Ones 'The Only Ones' Country Joe and the Fish 'Electric Music for the Mind and Body' Jilted John's album Family 'Music in a Doll's House' None of these have the requisite totally crap second side, though. - - Mike Godwin PS Does Karen really sing "Interplanetary, most insanitary", or have I got the words wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:38:16 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: little rhythmic arcs of red On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Bayard wrote: > Sean Lyons. But didn't you get to see them [the Soft Boys] back in the day Mike? (non-'94 reunion). No, I had hardly heard of them until I discovered Robyn Hitchcock. My first RH gig was the Egyptians at Glastonbury, 1986 (great version of 'Tell me about your drugs'). > I was under the impression you were one of our honored > elders. Crumbling elders, more like. I'm trying to piece together my life in the late 1970s to account for my lack of Soft Boys awareness. I was playing in a number of bands at the time, and I was well into Elvis Costello and the Attractions, the Only Ones, Rockpile (Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe), Blue Oyster Cult and Graham Parker. I was (as always) living in Bath, which is 100 miles west of London, and I guess that the SBs mainly confined their activities to London and Cambridge. Do we possess SBs' gig lists for '76 and '77? At least I remember something about two fegs who looked like > Friar Tuck, and I thought you were one. I always modelled myself on Benny the Ball rather than Friar Tuck. Are we talking Eugene Palette or Alexander Gauge here? Either way, I'm offended! Cheers - - Mike (still ploughing through back e-mail) PS If you really need to know what I look like, there is a pic at: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~hssmrg, but as I have just re-grown my beard, I now look more like Eric Bloom c. 1981... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:42:53 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Brushes with fame redux (no RH content) Eb grumbles, >>9. I met Juliana Hatfield and Evan Dando, and they were not friendly at all. > >Oh yeah, Juliana is a PILL. :/ Funny, I met her waaaayy back in the dark ages of 1990, and she was very sweet and friendly. However, this was before she became the Sassiest Girl in America (i.e. when she was in the Blake Babies). What fame can do to an impressionable gal... A friend of mine used to work at Borders Books here in Ann Arbor and one day found himself selling a newspaper to Robert Fripp. All a-quiver, my friend stammered, "Are you Robert Fripp?" "NO!!" came the reply, and Fripp stalked away. My friend was devastated. n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:44:47 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: The Wreck of the Secret Gig Rats! On Tuesday my throat infection stopped me getting to the Mean Fiddler to see Hitch. Today, I just rang the Cambridge Boat Race reservations people ( on 01223 508533) to be told the 'secret' gig on Sunday 21st is *sold out*. I'm fairly desperate to get to this gig and I'm putting out Feelers Everywhere for a ticket or two. Seriously if anyone on this list has spare ticket(s) I'll happily clean your bathroom or do your washing up for a week or dress up in tight leather for you* just to get my hands on a couple of gig tokens. Just e-mail me off list. Matt (Lee Marvin Throat) * not all three _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:13:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "FROST C.N" Subject: RH on VH......1 I was just flicking through the satelite channels last night and thinking, ' Why isn't there any good music on MTV any more ? ', when Pip Dann started to introduce the next item. Her intro was something along the lines of: "The next artist is regarded as a demi-god by many songwriters and musos here at VH-1, while us mere mortals will probably not have heard of him.............." Imagine my surprise as it dawned on me that she could only be talking about one person. Cut to Robyn (all in black) wearing a british rail logo lapel badge, complete with acoustic, playing a 'Blinking', slightly nervous, which camera am I on, where did the audience go, version of '1974'. After the performance, Pip went on to mention the Storefront film and album which will both be released early next year. The show was take it to the bridge, however it could have been the end of week best of. There may have been more songs ( and possibly an interview? ) on the original show. Chris - --------------------------------------- FROST C.N fh523124@stmail.staffs.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:58:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "FROST C.N" Subject: RH on VH......1 I was just flicking through the satelite channels last night and thinking, ' Why isn't there any good music on MTV any more ? ', when Pip Dann started to introduce the next item. Her intro was something along the lines of: "The next artist is regarded as a demi-god by many songwriters and musos here at VH-1, while us mere mortals will probably not have heard of him.............." Imagine my surprise as it dawned on me that she could only be talking about one person. Cut to Robyn (all in black) wearing a british rail logo lapel badge, complete with acoustic, playing a 'Blinking', slightly nervous, which camera am I on, where did the audience go, version of '1974'. After the performance, Pip went on to mention the Storefront film and album which will both be released early next year. The show was take it to the bridge, however it could have been the end of week best of. There may have been more songs ( and possibly an interview? ) on the original show. Chris (apologies if I've sent this already I don't know if the first one worked) - --------------------------------------- FROST C.N fh523124@stmail.staffs.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #95 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Gene wrote: > 17. Although this doesn't count as a real encounter, I once almost ran > over Peter Buck. Oh really? What were the details? A friend of mine who used to live in Athens, Georgia, once "almost ran over" Robyn in a dark alleyway on a rainy night. He and a friend screeched to a stop as a tall man in a black raincoat darted in front of them. One guy yelled, "Hey man, are you ok??" Robyn replied (obviously a bit freaked out with this vehicular face of death), "Yeah, yeah fine!" and scurried away. These two fellows drove slowly on. "Hey! Wasn't that guy Robyn Hitchcock?" "Yeah! It *was*!" Much laughter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:54:54 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #95 Carole Reichstein asked: >On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Gene wrote: > >> 17. Although this doesn't count as a real encounter, I once almost ran >> over Peter Buck. > >Oh really? What were the details? Yup, I once almost ran over Peter Buck. With my car. It was during the Jazz Fest, in New Orleans, back in 1992 or so. I was driving home at 2:00 a.m. or so from my favorite watering hole (the Saturn Bar, and no, I wasn't drunk), and was zipping down Carrollton Ave. at about 50 mph. I crossed in front of the Rock-n-Bowl (a bowling alley that books local funk and jazz bands at the corner of Tulane and Carrollton), and crossing the street in front of me was Peter Buck and some woman. He was crossing against traffic (the light was green) and he was dressed entirely in black, but I slammed on my brakes and came to a safe stop. Upon gathering my wits, I stuck my head out of my sunroof and noticed Buck and said lady looking at me as they crossed. "Hmm," I thought. "I almost ran over Peter Buck. I wouldn't mind, normally, but he did do a bit of a favor for Robyn a while back." I could just imagine going through life as The Guy Who Rolled Over Peter Buck. That'd suck. BTW, my friends and I had seen buck at the Jazz Fest earlier that day. We were drunk and followed him for a while chanting "This one goes out the one I love" over and over loudly. Sophomoric, yessiree, but oh what fun. He tried to ignore us. It was a very hot sunny, muggy day in New Orleans and he was dressed in a black suit. How come most Rawk Stars never hang out in shorts and t-shirts and be Normal People? Weird. Huey Lewis also appeared at that Jazz Fest, for an interview, of all things. A friend of mine grilled him, in front of several hundred people, about how he and The News had acheived such a good garage-band sound on their last album, and how they had worn flannel for so long they should be considered an influence on Nirvana et al. Mr. Lewis had no idea at all his chain was being pulled. Heh. I could also imagine going through life as The Guy Who Rolled Over Huey Lewis. I imagine people would either thank me or not care at all. It'd make a great t-shirt, too: "I Rolled Over Huey Lewis." +++++++++++++++++ "Take me to the bridge, + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Moltar!" +++++++++++++++++ -- Tad Ghostal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:48:31 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther w dudich) Subject: TAPE TREE =20 >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:04:11 -0800 >From: John Barrington Jones >Subject: Tape Tree: Robyn Hitchcock's Christmas Party!! > >ROBYN HITCHCOCK'S CHRISTMAS PARTY > >To participate in the tree, reply to this message or send me email with = the >subject TAPE TREE. In the body of the message indicate if you would = like >to be a branch or a leaf. Just to clarify, a branch is willing to make >copies for people. A leaf just gets a copy from his or her branch in >exchange for a blank tape, or a tape trade. I want to be a leaf...I don't have the equipment to be a very strong branch, I'm sorrry to say. -luther w dudich > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:17:34 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Fame with brushes Brushes with fame? Billy Bragg tends to me 'one of the lads' - as long as you can keep the conversation off politics. Pretty much the same applies (or applied a few years back - I don't know what the situation is since fame has increased) with Midnight Oil's Peter Garrett. They'd be just about the only non-local 'famous musician' I've met. But in Dunedin it's difficult *not* to bump into well-known local musicians who have some following internationally. The Chills' Martin Phillipps has a David Byrne-like shyness, Alastair Galbraith is friendly but often seems to have noticed a funny joke that you haven't quite seen yet. The Bats' (and Clean's) Robert Scott is a big pussycat - one of those genuinely 'nice' people that it's impossible to say anything nasty about. David Kilgour is very self-effacing and matey. Shayne Carter (Straitjacket Fits, Dimmer) can be a bit moody at times, but is a demon soccer player (I still have the scars to attest to that). Trouble is, NZers are brought up to be embarrassed by fame - many of them are genuinely surprised that you recognise them or are fans. Certainly the 'star mentality' is a real rarity, especially among indie artists. Oh and you could add a few sportspeople to that list too... again mainly locals (Danyon Loader, Josh Kronfeld, Jeff Wilson... I can hear the Americans on the list going "who???" from here!) and they too are all very self-effacing and friendly (Danyon's extremely selfconscious and quiet). Ditto writers and (surprisingly!) actors. Ah, the joys of a small country. Everyone knows everyone. I wonder if anyone on this list has had their photo taken with Charlie Watts >>>Aargh! When I hear the word 'Qu**n', I reach for my shotgun. What upsets you so much about the holy book of Islam? No-one's mentioned Terry Riley yet. I occasionally get the sort of mood where only listening to "A Rainbow in Curved Air" will ease my mind. >I don't think that the Spice Girls fit the definition of a "band." They're >singers. Band, no. Should be banned? Hmmm.... James (who would yell "Filtheeee-bird!" at a Robyn gig) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:40:51 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: biggest band in the world jvaska@mail.com writes: > but the debate should be, who could fill a stadium, any size, anywhere, on a > whim? > michael jackson folks! can y'all think of any others? janet, the less creepy successful jackson prince madonna pariah scarey metalica [maybe] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:34:53 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: Re: Yet more brushes with fame In a message dated 97-12-12 02:33:11 EST, you write: << 3. I once met Robert Smith and Lol of the Cure, after a Ride gig (the Cure had just played New Orleans' major arena, and for some reason they popped in). Smith's pupils were as big as saucers, his face was all wrinkled, and he really "wasn't all the way there," if you know what I mean. My friends and I began quizzing him incessnatly about My Bloody Valentine. (Hey, I didn't say I liked the guy). He just kept saying he thought they were a good band. >> it couldn't have been lol, since he was fired in 1989, and is persona no grata. something about being too drunk all the time and making sid vicious look like a major musical contributor, and then suing for more past royalties. and ride couldn't have played new orleans in 1987 since they weren't yet. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #96 ******************************