From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #87 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 4 1997 Volume 06 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I Feel Beautiful - U2 similarity ["Matthew Knights" ] Ivar Haglund for Port ["Capitalism Blows" ] Get Your Prawns Right Here ["JH3" ] jCards, songs and more [Bayard ] Re: Ivar Haglund for Port [Eb ] RE: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago [Eb ] Space Monkeys - no RH content [firstcat@lsli.com] The Tempest Rose [The Great Quail ] Ivar at the Gates of Dawn... ["Children's Television Worship" ] Cubby Bears [oskjefte@online.no] Re: Ivar Haglund for Port [Bayard ] new feg? [Michael Hooker ] full fathom cheese [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] cheese holiday... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] stone roses [not any robyn content; an rem allusion though] [KarmaFuzzz <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:12:14 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: I Feel Beautiful - U2 similarity Just a short note to say how much I'm enjoying Robyn's new song 'I Feel Beautiful' from a live tape posted to me recently. The song has a driving relentless quality, like an anthem and the song really *does* carry the words. To those who haven't heard it, the tune is similar (IMO) to the song 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For' by U2. The two songs have a similar sound and feel. Just substitute Tim on Takamine for Edge's infinite guitar twaddle I hope he plays it next week. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:18:28 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: "Bill" was clearly having a bad wig day > > Full fathom five thy father lies; > > Of his bones are coral made; > > Those are pearls that were his eyes; > > Nothing of him that doth fade, > > But doth suffer a sea change > > Into something rich and strange. I can't imagine a more creepy miserable collection of words. "Bill" was clearly having a bad wig day. Can anyone really enjoy this ? I remember being forced to sing the song 'Full fathom five' at school. Our music teacher lined us all up in ranks and we were drilled mercilessly until we got the words and the tune perfect. We had to sing it at a school concert and I still shudder at the memory of that tune. The words are no better, - and can anyone really enjoy the words ? . For a bit of classy literature I recommend William Congreave's play The Way of the World not 'Full fathom five'. [no trolling intended - just trying to express my dislike of this nasty nautical nonsense] Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:06:34 +0100 (MET) From: seven@cs.utwente.nl (Susan Even) Subject: jazz cafe set Hello to the virtual and far away I typed in the set list from the Jazz Cafe gig two weeks back. My favourite from the evening was 'Adoration of the City'. (It sounds great on the electric guitar, esp. with jazzy saxophone and rhythm banana.) Groentjes, Susan - ------- robyn hitchcock, jazz cafe, london, 20.11.1997 [solo acoustic, black shirt with white spots] (don't talk to me about) gene hackman chinese bones feels like 1974 clean steve [joined by tim on percussion sticks] i feel beautiful [tim switched to acoustic guitar] madonna of the wasps jewels for sofia queen elvis [robyn solo] glass hotel (!!) [joined by tschuks on sax] devil's radio [robyn on electric (rhythm) guitar, tschuks on sax] the lizzard [robyn solo electric] you & oblivion freeze airscape [encore, orange shirt with green apples !!] [robyn on acoustic, joined by the janes on vocals and banana] daisy bomb (!!) [robyn on electric, tschuks on sax, tim on banana and mini-tambourine] adoration of the city (!!) [robyn and tim switch to acoustics] i saw nick drake (!!) - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:56:17 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago - ----------------------------------------------- nicastr@IDT.NET dixit: ...and Pete Holsapple solo closes with a song I think is called "Don't Loose the Child In You". - -------------------------------------------------------- In case anyone is wondering, this song is called "The Child In You", and it comes from the Peter Holsapple & Chris Stamey album, _Mavericks_. I think it's still in print -- Rhino New Artists put it out in '92. It's a wonderful CD, very acoustic, featuring Michael Blair from Tom Waits' band on percussion on a couple of tracks. It shows up in used and cut-out bins fairly often, for reasons unfathomable. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:07:39 -0500 (EST) From: David Willems Subject: tabs/chords Are the new chords being posted to this list going to make it to the tab site? I know people have submitted quite a bit of stuff thast never ends up there (ie So You Think You're In Love, Surfer Ghost, Gene Hackman etc...) Also, does anyone know if "Garden of Light" is an original? Next to Glass Hotel, Flavour of Night, Cathedral, and Glass Hotel it has to be one of the best sons I've heard Robyn sing. Chords? David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:58:40 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Ivar Haglund for Port this 110/120 discussion has raised another question in my mind. what exactly constitutes tape abuse? is it particularly zealous usage of the ff, rew, and search keys? is it storing them in extreme temperatures? is it getting kool-aid all over them? i'd hate to think that i was ruining all my tapes out of sheer ignorance of proper handling procedures. (this is a serious question.) so i finished listening to neil young, and, having sold off my one and only john zorn cd a few years ago (what *was* i thinking,) i'm now onto the soundtracks and the compilations. there's a cut on BARNEY'S SLEEPYTIME SONGS that's about not letting the water run while you're brushing your teeth. during one part, barney is going, "da da da da," under the music. that TOTALLY reminds me of the WHERE ARE THE PRAWNS? version of Kingdom of Love. eb, what can you tell us about the new flaming lips rekkid? i'm pretty sure i could get four cd players into my room, if only temporarily. i'd have to exert some serious extension cord mojo to get 'em all properly spaced, but i think it could be done. is it just me, or is there some guy that goes to almost every robyn hitchcock concert and shouts out for Freebird about three quarters of the way through the show? i swear that's what i'm hearing, and i'm pretty sure it's the same person. VERY glad to see susie and jay more or less back in the saddle. but i'm just about ready to propose a moratorium until such time as the quail shows his face around these environs. what do they call that? lopping of your nose to spite your face? something like that. anyway, i could really go for some licorice right about now. Fuck You! I won't do what you tell me! (repeat fourteen times) --Rage Against the Machine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:46:08 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Get Your Prawns Right Here There are now J-Cards* for the Unhatched Crablings (Vols. 3 & 4) tape tree at http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/jcards.htm. The page comes complete with instructions, which you should be sure to read if you haven't downloaded one of my J-Cards before now. There are separate versions (in color!) for DAT, single C110, and double C60's. Speaking of which... >this 110/120 discussion has raised another question in my mind. what >exactly constitutes tape abuse? is it particularly zealous usage of the >ff, rew, and search keys? is it storing them in extreme temperatures? >is it getting kool-aid all over them? i'd hate to think that i was >ruining all my tapes out of sheer ignorance of proper handling >procedures. (this is a serious question.) All of those things will potentially ruin tapes, as will placing them near magnets (such as speakers), storing them in damp/humid conditions, lending them to your brother, or attempting to smuggle them into Afghanistan. (The latter being the most sure-fire method.) But since most people *store* their tapes at least somewhat properly, the most common source of trouble comes from the simple failure to clean one's tape deck. Tiny particles of magnetic coating residue build up on the heads and capstans, dirtying and even slightly erasing tapes with each pass (esp. when using "cue/review"), and eventually getting so bad as to cause slippage and loss of tension, which of course leads to the dreaded "tape-eating" effect. I used to work at the (U.S.) National Archives, but despite that there are no doubt plenty of you out there whose knowledge of archival storage techniques for magnetic media exceeds my own, so feel free to correct me. - --John H. Hedges * Cassette case inserts, for the "uninitiated" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: jCards, songs and more Man oh man, JH3's J cards are so good I'd get into tape collecting even if I didn't care about the music. bobby's giving me the sign right now from my screen. i didn't know he cared. (neither did he!). I have not been able to find evidence that "(Love in the) Garden of Light" (the vic, valentines 92, if i recall) or "The Angel Upstairs" (mccabes '87 or '89) are by anyone other than RH. I believe he wrote them. A cool fegband, Number Nine Line, is playing in Fells Point new years eve, if fegs in the Baltimore/DC area are not busy, want to meet up? I have heard tell of a possible Chicago gathering of at least a few, but I don't know if I'll be able to get away this time of year, though I'd like to. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:00:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ivar Haglund for Port >eb, what can you tell us about the new flaming lips rekkid? i'm pretty >sure i could get four cd players into my room, if only temporarily. i'd >have to exert some serious extension cord mojo to get 'em all properly >spaced, but i think it could be done. I don't have a copy yet, and it is BUGGING me. >is it just me, or is there some guy that goes to almost every robyn >hitchcock concert and shouts out for Freebird about three quarters of >the way through the show? i swear that's what i'm hearing, and i'm >pretty sure it's the same person. There's someone who shouts out "Freebird!" at damn near EVERY concert -- especially if the performer asks for requests. It amazes me how there can be people who think that joke is still fresh. :/ Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:55:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago >In case anyone is wondering, this song is called "The Child In You", and >it comes from the Peter Holsapple & Chris Stamey album, _Mavericks_. I >think it's still in print -- Rhino New Artists put it out in '92. No, it's NOT still in print. I'm not sure that ANYTHING on RNA is still in print. I know that the Chris Stamey album Fireworks is also bye-bye. It is a very good album, though. I like it better than a couple of the dBs albums, even. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 16:30:36 From: firstcat@lsli.com Subject: Space Monkeys - no RH content I dunno if anyone else has heard of them, but their "daddy of them all" cd is very addictive...sort of a mix of Oasis and the Chemical Bros....perhaps when RH gets tired of accoustic he'll go techno....oh what could be done with Midnight Fish.... cheers jay - ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 12/3/97 I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 19:09:20 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: The Tempest Rose Howdy, Feggophiles! Just thought I'd cheep in with a few comments on the "Luminous Rose/The Tempest" thread. Personally, I have always associated "Luminous Rose" with The Tempest's "Full Fathom Five." Not really because of the similar subject matter -- that could be too random to really trigger any serious connection. But GoF makes direct references to Shakespeare in one of my favorite Robyn songs, "Chinese Bones." (Romeo and Juliet, and "Something Shakespeare never said. . . .") I suppose that was enough to set up a Shakespeare vibe that prompted my mind to graft LR to The Tempest, and the association done stuck. And in reference to Full Fathom Five, a few beautiful versions of that song were actually recorded by Michael Nyman, a modern composer best known for his scoring of "The Piano" and most of Peter Greenaway's films. ("The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her Lover," "Prosepero's Books.") The best one is found on the soundtrack to "Prospero's Books," one of the best soundtracks -- in my humble opinion -- to have been scored in the last decade. Very striking music, minimalist in essence but harsher at times, like Philip Glass on bad speed. The other version he scored is sung by Ute Lemper, the German Diva who starred in Roger Water's "The Wall: Live in Berlin." I mention this of course because Thomas Dolby was in that production, too, and so we have a Robyn --> Dolby --> Ute --> Nyman --> Ariel --> Shakespeare connection that obviously *proves* that LR is a Tempest allusion. My logic is, as usual, inescapeable. Quail contra Matt: And by the way, not to open a flame war about the Bard, but I think that FF5 (FF5: Can I be the first?) contains some of the most *hauntingly beautiful* lines about death I know. They express a deliriously liquid and subterrene expression of transformation through death, not "nasty nautical nonsense." A bad wig day? Well, I'm not sure about the relevance of wigs, there, but I just *had* to chime in, sorry. James writes, >title of on Laurie Anderson's "Mr Heartbreak" album. I'd say it is a very >likely source of inspiration for "Luminous Rose". The song is called "Blue Lagoon," andthe album had Adrian Belew on guitar, and WSB on vocals, which of course gives us: Shakespeare --> Laurie --> Belew --> Bowie --> Seligman --> Robyn, or: Shakespeare --> Laurie --> William S. Burroughs --> REM --> Peter Buck - --> Robyn, which now gives us irrefutable proof of the Illuminati, particularly when we can now set up the following additional chain: Shakespeare --> Francis Bacon --> Queen Elizabeth I --> John Dee --> Cristian Rosenkreutz --> Guildenstern & Rosencrantz --> Tom Stoppard --> Vladimir Lenin --> John Lennon --> Sir Paul McCartney --> Queen Elizabeth II --> Margaret Thatcher --> The Spice Girls. Read it and weep, folks, We are all doomed, and the end is nigh. Cheep on ya, - --The Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:21:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Children's Television Worship" Subject: Ivar at the Gates of Dawn... > > There's someone who shouts out "Freebird!" at damn near EVERY concert -- > especially if the performer asks for requests. It amazes me how there can > be people who think that joke is still fresh. :/ > It is not so much a joke, but rather cultural response. I would imagine that it is mainly American; but having attended no great number of non-American concerts, I cannot say. It could be even said that in a concert-sized crowd of people there is a certain pool of people with the "Freebird" gene; their biological disposition allows them to abandon all common sense for a few nano-seconds and belt of the word itself. There is a slightly less-developed gene known as the "Stairway" gene. This biologic response has been shunted by social conditioning. Perhaps the abandonment of the "Stairway" gene in favor of the "Freebird" gene is a Spencerian response to concert-going in the late 1980s and 90s. .chris [who prefers, to a limited degree, Lynrd Skynrd (even if he can't spell it, but that puts him in company with most of their fans) to, and detests greatly, anything that has to do with Percy Page] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:47:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Ivar at the Gates of Dawn... >> There's someone who shouts out "Freebird!" at damn near EVERY concert -- >> especially if the performer asks for requests. It amazes me how there can >> be people who think that joke is still fresh. :/ > >It is not so much a joke, but rather cultural response. Yes, I suppose...but if you ever LOOK at the "Freebird" person immediately afterwards, he's inevitably grinning ear to ear, very pleased with himself and looking for others' approval. Eww. And it's never a woman, for whatever reason. Hmm. Eb PS One of the prime movers of the (rather barren) Jazz Butcher mailing list just innocently asked if a Robyn Hitchcock list existed anywhere. Heh heh. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:25:40 +0100 (MET) From: oskjefte@online.no Subject: Cubby Bears On 1989's Green World Tour, R.E.M. were augmented by former dB Peter Holsapple, and for the March dates they were supported by RH & E. These guys took the opportunity to form a sideline fun band called Worse Case Scenario ( or Worst Case Scenario/Scenarios? Figure out for yourself what P.H. says during the show ) Although Marcus Gray in his book about R.E.M.( It crawled from the South ) says it was the 6th, most people think this show is from the 5th. R.E.M. played at the Rosemont Horizon, Chicago on the 6th. Peter Buck usually refers to this show as "the history of 1965". The guys also played a sideline show on the 8th. at First Avenue, Minneapolis. This show was more of Robyn's song and is usually refered to as Nigel & the Crosses. Same goes for the Borderline show on May 28. All shows are great! ( The Queen of Eyes/Foxy Lady 7" from Bucketful of Brains #34 - 1990 is taken from this last show ) From this first show at Cubby Bears, there are quite a few songs that I need to know who wrote. Songs like Black & White/Do right woman/I changed the lock/The roof is leaking/(Don't lose the)Child in you. Please e-mail me if you have this information. Ole **************************************************************************** "I think I'm just kind of ready not to be a pop star anymore" Bill Berry ( October 30, 1997 ) **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Ivar Haglund for Port > There's someone who shouts out "Freebird!" at damn near EVERY concert -- > especially if the performer asks for requests. It amazes me how there can > be people who think that joke is still fresh. :/ i thought the lack of freshness of the joke, WAS the joke. (irony again!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:55:35 From: Michael Hooker Subject: new feg? hello, i had to post this, it made my day. i sent two Robyn H. tapes to a guy in Sweden that i did a Lloyd Cole tape trade with. here is his response: Hitchock is a new favorite the best new musical encounter I had for a long time.Great singing,lyrics,songwriting,Just love it.Has he done alot of albums? /fredrik i think we may have to put a new pin in the feg map soon! have fun, Mike Hooker ps- anybody wants to trade Lloyd Cole stuff, please write!! Mike Hooker Hooks Auto Service 20-7 Jules Ct. Bohemia NY 11716 516 567-1278 516 567-7755 516 567-3103 fax ALFA ROMEO CARS AND PARTS WANTED( HOBBY!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:30:41 -0600 (CST) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: full fathom cheese >almost certainly no coincidence. This particular pieceof Shakespeare has >inspired a very large number of rock songs. Just off the top of my head I >can think of the Muttonbirds' "Anchor Me" and a song which I forget the >title of on Laurie Anderson's "Mr Heartbreak" album. I'd say it is a very >likely source of inspiration for "Luminous Rose". The Laurie Anderson piece (think it's called "Blue Lagoon") just has her reciting the poetry (or a few lines of it anyway) over the music. Not sure the whole song revolves around the words. >PS. What the heck is "The String Cheese Incident"? Isn't that "Show Me to the String Cheese"? ;) On a similar cheesy note, I noticed yesterday that Dan Bern has a song all about cheese. Did he perform it in Berkeley when the Fegs went to hear him? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:25:34 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: cheese holiday... >>PS. What the heck is "The String Cheese Incident"? >Isn't that "Show Me to the String Cheese"? ;) On a similar cheesy note, I >noticed yesterday that Dan Bern has a song all about cheese. Did he perform >it in Berkeley when the Fegs went to hear him? Dan left off the string cheese and the monkey-oriented parts of his repertoir on the night that I saw him. I understand that he had a quite different set the next night. I haven't heard those tunes, but hope that I get the opportunity soon. New Dan Bern tour beginning early next year. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 02:54:04 EST From: KarmaFuzzz Subject: stone roses [not any robyn content; an rem allusion though] walden@universe.digex.net writes: > Apparently The Stone Roses have a song called Full Fathom Five, but it's > just Elephant Stone backwards, and i imagine not as impressive as > waterfall/don't stop. I lost interest just before the second proper album > came out; if anyone thinks it's worthwhile to give that one a chance let > me know. I really did/do like the first. _Second Coming_ is okay. not as good as the first, more zeppellin-y, but in a good way; sort of to the first one what _Monster_ is to _Out of Time_ stylistically though not qualitatively. definitely worth picking up used for around $8-9; of the 12 songs, 4-5 are very good, 5-6 are alright, and "Ten storey love song" is terrible. if you liked "one love" (or "love spreads"), you'll probably _SC_ well enough. incidentally, the seahorses suck....... as for FFF, no it's not as successful as waterfall/don't stop, though personally i think that made of stone/guernica is the best roses tape reversal effort. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #87 ******************************