From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #86 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 3 1997 Volume 06 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Tempest [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] scratchy CDs [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: luminous rose inspiration? [Capuchin ] I don't have a job. [Capuchin ] Re: luminous rose inspiration? [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] the giant said, "the owls...." [dwdudic@erols.com (luther w dudich)] Re: luminous rose inspiration? [Bayard ] march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago [Bayard ] Re: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Re: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:37:54 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: The Tempest > Full fathom five thy father lies; > Of his bones are coral made; > Those are pearls that were his eyes; > Nothing of him that doth fade, > But doth suffer a sea change > Into something rich and strange. > >Does this strike anybody as being similar in theme to "Luminous Rose" >off "GoF"? =20 >Coincidence? almost certainly no coincidence. This particular pieceof Shakespeare has inspired a very large number of rock songs. Just off the top of my head I can think of the Muttonbirds' "Anchor Me" and a song which I forget the title of on Laurie Anderson's "Mr Heartbreak" album. I'd say it is a very likely source of inspiration for "Luminous Rose". James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:39:24 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: scratchy CDs ><< Does anyone have a good home remedy for repairing slightyly scratched >CD's? > > Best I have found is using car wax, seems to work better than anything else >I can find(they even sell a cd-cleaner which turns out to be car wax) rubbing a little toothpaste over the CD (with a finger, not a brush!) and then cleaning it off also seems to do the trick sometimes. James RIP Stephane Grappelli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: luminous rose inspiration? On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, luther w dudich wrote: > Full fathom five thy father lies; > Of his bones are coral made; > Those are pearls that were his eyes; > Nothing of him that doth fade, > But doth suffer a sea change > Into something rich and strange. > > Does this strike anybody as being similar in theme to "Luminous Rose" > off "GoF"? > Coincidence? They're both about dead folks at the bottom of the sea, but that was hardly a new metaphor in Shakespeare's time and is no fresher today. Now, I'm sure Robyn is familiar with The Tempest (being, in my esteemed opinion, Bill's best work), but that doesn't mean this bit has anything at all to do with the Luminous Rose. I don't know, just a word or two. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: I don't have a job. Last night I was flipping channels after watching Dick Van Dyke. I blipped across and through either a commercial or infomercial for one of these Rolling Stone CD compilations. They were playing some cheesy garbage song and I caught the name Steve Winwood scrolling up off the screen in yellow. Right below it, in white, was the following: If You Were A Priest Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians This was followed by something ultra-garbagey and then "And 17 more..." Was I on crack? I'm having a hard time, today, reconciling this clear memory with what I know to be reality. It's an interesting choice, don't you think (assuming I'm not on crack)? I mean, these comps usually include the track EVERYONE remembers from a given era. I wouldn't have been nearly as surprised if it'd been Balloon Man or Heaven or even The Man With The Lightbulb Head. But it was If You Were A Priest. Not a novelty track. Not a contrived pop track. Not an odd Robynesque arty track. It's one of those tracks I use to convert people who like crappy music. It's not something that frightens the old people and it's not a confection that will eventually leave you with Easter Mouth after you've sucked off the saccharine glaze. It seems well chosen. Almost as if someone out there wants folks to buy more of Robyn's records. OK, the track itself raised my eyebrow, but the part that really gets me is that it scrolled by on the screen. It seems there were more recognizable tunes by less "cultish" artists in that bunch of '17 more...' that could have been used in its stead... And if there wasn't, it wouldn't have been any more work to slow the crawl down by three seconds and just put "And 18 more..." at the end. I don't know, maybe it's just me. J. PS. What the heck is "The String Cheese Incident"? np. Dance Hall Crashers. All three albums on RANDOM. Speaking of samey... ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:24:49 -0600 (CST) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: luminous rose inspiration? >Now, I'm sure Robyn is familiar with The Tempest (being, in my esteemed >opinion, Bill's best work), but that doesn't mean this bit has anything at >all to do with the Luminous Rose. Didn't Kay write something about this to the list once? It seems to me she did, and something about which Shakespeare character she thought Robyn most resembled (I believe it was Puck). Anyway, this all reminded me of her and I was wondering if you're still out there, esteemed K Lord, and if you have any comments, for they would surely be worth hearing. As for whether the passage in question has anything to do with "Luminous Rose", well, I'm kind of of the opinion that it does if you think it does. In other words, while it may not have been a direct conscious inspiration, that doesn't mean you can't link the two and enhance them both for yourself with the association. That's what poetry's for, mate. It contains itself plus everything else :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 02:11:32 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther w dudich) Subject: the giant said, "the owls...." =20 > >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:25:37 -0500 (EST) >From: Bayard >Subject: GLASS FLESH: 'it is happening again...' Nice 'Twin Peaks' reference... =09 Considering the oddness of that show, do you think Robyn watched it at all? -luther w dudich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: luminous rose inspiration? well, let's see: > > Full fathom five thy father lies; > > Of his bones are coral made; > > Those are pearls that were his eyes; > > Nothing of him that doth fade, > > But doth suffer a sea change > > Into something rich and strange. Oh the bodies of drowned sailors and dead airmen flounder upside down beneath the roaring waves and the fishes eat the flesh from off their fingers and the sea is so much deeper than the grave and the pale English stone stands alone over me oh the bodies rise and fall in slow motion as the flesh gives way to coral and her charms if you listen hard you'll hear the sea is breathing and she's waiting there to hold you in her arms and the pale English sun shone over me oh the telegram is lying on the table you left it there you can't believe its true God finds you naked and he leaves you dying what happens in between is up to you and the luminous rose glows over me over me... __ one possible interpretation of robyn's song is the narrator thinks land burial is more boring. ;) so in that sense, both pieces seem to look at burial at sea as a positive, or at least ironically pseudo-positive thing. I dunno. But the Lyrics Server at http://www.lyrics.ch/query/normal?artist=hitchcock&album=&song= (or just www.lyrics.ch) is pretty cool. Have you seen it, Jeme? Apparently The Stone Roses have a song called Full Fathom Five, but it's just Elephant Stone backwards, and i imagine not as impressive as waterfall/don't stop. I lost interest just before the second proper album came out; if anyone thinks it's worthwhile to give that one a chance let me know. I really did/do like the first. Does anyone like the "groovy decoy" version of "The Rain" better than the original? I have discussed the issue extensively with matt offlist and i think the remix just butchers the song, whose original version i really like. =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago this is where I belong/she got soul/i'm running over/supply & demand/soul kiss/big brown eyes/second time around/lonely is as lonely does/next to the last waltz/black & white/judy/neverland//i wanna destroy you/twist & shout/do right woman/rain/i changed the lock/revolution/the roof is leaking/queen of eyes/mr. spaceman/the rumour/you can't do that/it takes a lot to laugh it takes a lot to cry does anyone have a really good sounding, low-generation tape of this? I wanted to get it from R. Ben Adams... he had a nice 1st gen... but unfortunately i think he's been off list for over 3 years. Rob Leas, have you a copy? What about you, Rob G? And what personnel were present at the gig with rh and the boys? =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:02:06 -0800 From: Nos Ferraatu Subject: Brighton Well....I just got in a bunch of hours ago from my Thanksgiving break trip across the pond--and a nice Monday night in Brighton. Tim Keegan (and all of Homer) opened up for Robyn at the Concorde for what was to be a really nice evening. The acoustic Homer (complete with stand up bass) on, according to Tim, the first night of their tour was an excellent opener. While I didn't write down the set from beginning to end and I'm forgetful as anything, there were some highlights. Robyn played a lot of the new material including some stuff I hadn't heard before (help--anybody who can put names to songs....) He started out with a nice version of "Gene Hackman," and a few songs later went onto a song that had something of a newness to it. "Parasol" was the closest I could come to divining a name. Great versions of "Glass Hotel" and "Madonna of the Wasps" (the last with Tim)--as well as "Jewels for Sophia." The one real curiosity was something that was new to me. As close as I can guess it would be called "I Feel Beautiful (Because You Love Me)." It may very well be a cover, but I hadn't heard it before. The encore(s) held "Rain," amoung others, and the end of show was a great version of "I Often Dream of Trains." No "Airscape," though. :( There was new (to me at least) segues into the standards as well as a new derivitive of "Clean Steve." The same "the person nobody knows but everybody knows somebody who knows him" intro, but a bevy of new tangents in the song itself including a nice bit on monorails, and a "you could have knocked him down with the west pier, if it had been refurbished," or something akin to that. The clothes? A black shirt with white polkadots at the start (precluded by "what IS he wearing?" from my fiancee), with the encore being even closer to over-the-top with a reddish shirt with massive green apples all over it. When I get the pictures developed I'll make 'em available to those in the know. Mrs. Wafflehead (or now Antwoman, I would guess) must've cleaned out the closets for this one as well. In addition to the duck tees there were a slew of older ones as well, including a white "Man w/a Woman's Shadow" and black "Jasper, This One's Evil." A lot of older vinyl as well as some CD singles and "Gotta Let This Hen Out!" videos. I didn't tape the show as my source for equipment wasn't around, and I didn't see anyone else doing it either (though there was a video camera out during Homer's set). If anyone on-list was there and taped the show, please drop me a line. Anyway, this has been really scatterbrained. PEACE! the soon-to-be jetlagged ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:31:59 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago One more thing about this show, was it on the 3rd or the 5th? I have seen it listed as both. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:28:56 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: march 3, 89 at the cubby bear, chicago >this is where I belong/she got soul/i'm running over/supply & demand/soul >kiss/big brown eyes/second time around/lonely is as lonely does/next to >the last waltz/black & white/judy/neverland//i wanna destroy you/twist & >shout/do right woman/rain/i changed the lock/revolution/the roof is >leaking/queen of eyes/mr. spaceman/the rumour/you can't do that/it takes >a lot to laugh it takes a lot to cry > >does anyone have a really good sounding, low-generation tape of this? I >wanted to get it from R. Ben Adams... he had a nice 1st gen... but >unfortunately i think he's been off list for over 3 years. Rob Leas, have >you a copy? What about you, Rob G? > >And what personnel were present at the gig with rh and the boys? > >=b I have this show. The set starts with Peter Holsapple (from the DB's) solo. Peter Buck joins on "Black and White" onwards. Robyn and the Egyptians join the Petes on "Destroy You". There are three more songs to the show that you don't have listed. "Bells Of Rhymney" and "Mr Tambourine Man" are done by everyone, and Pete Holsapple solo closes with a song I think is called "Don't Loose the Child In You". This is a really great show. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #86 ******************************