From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #74 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 21 1997 Volume 06 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fan [Hedblade@aol.com] Re: Fan [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Big B.)] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Some_impressions_from_Robyn_and_friends_at_the_Jazz_Cafe_l?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ast_night.=A0_?= ["Matthew Knights] Ntshuks Bonga + My only friend Elaine ["Matthew Knights" ] Thwacking Eb in FegDigest V73 [Ed.Doxtator@ssa.co.uk] Re: FanFeg [Mike Runion ] New Topic - Live Robyn [Mike Runion ] The Ruling Class [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: Ntshuks Bonga + My only friend Elaine [Ross Overbury ] Re: EP Question [Rich Plumb ] look at this e-mail I got [lj lindhurst ] What were the sound engineers on? + new gig [Gary Sedgwick ] re: weenieism [griffith ] Re: Fan [Bayard ] Re: FanFeg [misplaced joan of arc ] Re: FanFeg [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Fan [BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus)] Re: Fan [BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus)] Re: The Blue Aeroplanes (no RH) [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Re: Fan [Aaron Mandel ] Be On The Lookout [Tracy Aileen Copeland ] dan bern 11/21 = nada ["jeffery vaska" ] Re: Fan [BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus)] Re: Fan [Eb ] whodunnit? ["Aidan Cully [Staff]" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: Hedblade@aol.com Subject: Re: Fan Eb writes: << It's fine if RH is your favorite artist. But I don't respect it when people are so far into RH that they spend all their time tracking down redundant concert tapes and checking to see if he changed a verb when performing x-song live, at the expense of investigating unheard groups which could possibly become new favorites. That's pure Weenieism, in my eyes. Eb >> You may have a valid point about certain collecting habits being "Weenieism," sir Eb, but why was it important to say so when you know that there are people here that find great joy in doing so? You know that I've enjoyed talking to you in the past, but if you feel the need to take issue with what some people do with their own time (no matter how much YOU might think it's a waste), I assume you're the type of person who respects blunt honesty. In that case, your remarks are opinions that are best kept to yourself. You don't yell "Fire" in a movie theatre, point at a woman in a wheelchair and laugh, or call someone a nigger unless you expect to be confronted. I'm calling you rude, Eb. Like any community, we must expect some folks who don't want to be civil members. Is that you? Opinions on music are one thing, comments that come dangerously close to being personal attacks on people's personal lifestyles are quite another. Do as you like, obviously, but just know that you display the actions of someone intent on hurting others, and there isn't much respect to be found in that either from others or yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:50:33 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Big B.) Subject: Re: Fan >You may have a valid point about certain collecting habits being "Weenieism," >sir Eb, but why was it important to say so when you know that there are >people here that find great joy in doing so? You know that I've enjoyed >talking to you in the past, but if you feel the need to take issue with what >some people do with their own time (no matter how much YOU might think it's a >waste), I assume you're the type of person who respects blunt honesty. In >that case, your remarks are opinions that are best kept to yourself. You >don't yell "Fire" in a movie theatre, point at a woman in a wheelchair and >laugh, or call someone a nigger unless you expect to be confronted. I'm >calling you rude, Eb. Like any community, we must expect some folks who >don't want to be civil members. Is that you? Opinions on music are one >thing, comments that come dangerously close to being personal attacks on >people's personal lifestyles are quite another. Do as you like, obviously, >but just know that you display the actions of someone intent on hurting >others, and there isn't much respect to be found in that either from others >or yourself. Exactly. In fact, if you all want to see where being a huge fan can lead you, check this out: http://www.collectingmagazine.com/coll597/alice.htm I know this person that the article is about. Read it and think about it, Eb. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:56:35 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Some_impressions_from_Robyn_and_friends_at_the_Jazz_Cafe_l?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ast_night.=A0_?= Some impressions from Robyn and friends at the Jazz Cafe last night. The Dear Janes supported Robyn. I only heard their last few songs as I walked in and wasn't impressed - the sort of live music you talk over. While waiting for Robyn I spotted one half of Coffee & Cream in the audience. Was it Coffee ? Was it Cream ? I'm not sure. Robyn came on with his Martin and black&white polka dot shirt and launched into Gene Hackman. He mentioned his film and said it is being held up so they can edit in Gary Glitter. The audience enjoyed that. His guitar and voice were powerful and clear and after a few songs I laughed when Robyn introduced 1974 with "You're born, you have a series of hot drinks and then you die". Tim from Homer played guitar for a few songs but he seemed subdued and unhappy. His usual stage chemistry with Robyn was lacking. Both artists complained about the cold air on stage. Tim begged for the AC to be switched off. Robyn asked for a cup of coffee. For me the best song was a thrilling performance of Devil's Radio which made my spine tingle. This was due in great part to Robyn's muso chum who jumped on stage and played 'zoot horn rollo' style saxophone all the way through. It sounded similar to the Moss Elixir version. Later Robyn switched to Telecaster and I was relieved he did not use the fuzzbox which I think sounds so tacky. Instead he used a lot of reverb on Glass Hotel and a lot of echo on some old song about a lizard which worked well. He did a long encore and played about 80 minutes altogether. I hadn't seen Robyn for 18 months and I really enjoyed myself. Well done RH. On my way out someone thrust a flyer into my hand advertising Robyn playing The Mean Fiddler, Harlesden, London on 9th December. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:20:09 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Ntshuks Bonga + My only friend Elaine Just to follow up my previous post about Devil's Radio - the sax player on stage *was* the same as on Moss Elixir - Ntshuks Bonga. On a different topic can anyone help me with a song fragment going round my head from years ago. Robyn sings the line, "My only friend Elaine". Can anyone identify the song from this ? This is the last line of the song and I'm sure it's not a cover. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:28:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fan >Exactly. In fact, if you all want to see where being a huge fan can lead >you, check this out: > >http://www.collectingmagazine.com/coll597/alice.htm > >I know this person that the article is about. Read it and think about it, Eb. Christ, I can't believe you're still trying to cram Alice Cooper down our throats. Can you post about anything else??? What should this article tell me? That if Bayard or whoever (even me) becomes enough of a Hitchcock collector, maybe they'll be able to schmooze their way into RH's inner circle? Surely, there are better reasons to collect than as a way up the social/employment ladder. Sheesh. That's the same guy whom you had email me months ago, right? The guy who was going to convince what an important artist that Alice Cooper is, because he influenced Hanoi Rocks and Motley Crue, etc.? Pass. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:34:31 +0000 From: Ed.Doxtator@ssa.co.uk Subject: Thwacking Eb in FegDigest V73 Kids: From the last Feg Digest, people have been getting on Eb's case a lot lately for his lack of enthusiasm for getting into ALL THINGS ROBYN. In fact, his eschewing ALL THINGS ROBYN. I say, YOU GO Eb! I don't have a "favourite band", either. I like different bands for different reasons. Fer example... I like the Church, Moose, or Ride when I want a little psychedellia. They may not be everyone's definition, but that's as close as I can get. I like XTC when I want "brainy" music. I never understood how a band could present a collective intelligence. I like Robyn when it's Spring and Fall. He goes into storage right about now and won't come out until April. I like the Jazz Butcher when I need inspiration. Usually when I'm developing new programs at work. Nothing works better than the two-step of "The Truck Of Fear" to grease the wheels. I like the Blue Aeroplanes almost anytime. They've recorded so much stuff in so many different styles, it's hard not to find something I want to listen to. I like the Pixies when I need to have my head done in. I like Kenny Green or Barney Kessel when it's time to chill. The list goes on and on. But there are months when I go without even thinking of listening to any one or all of these artists. Not a thing wrong with having a favourite band. But don't be surprised if some of us people on the list shake our heads and say, "Why?" when people start combing Robyn's lyrics, counting the number of adverbs that don't end in the suffix "ly", or other such ins and outs of a gnats arsehole. Look after yerselves, - -Ed, Doc, ~~...then the marquis says one night on the stage/wait until I let this soul out of its cage...~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:21:48 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: FanFeg Bayard says- > >the only musician (and listserv) I spend time on now is RH.Eb replies- > Mike chimes in- Jeez, Fegmaniax is the only mailing list I have TIME to spend time on...and my music listening is constrained to drives in and from work, and maybe an hour before bed. It's a godsend if I can get to my favorite indie store and actually hang out for a half-hour by myself with no wife or kids or baby. I must look pretty foolish out there in the front yard trying to hear though my headphones with the lawnmower growling away in front of me. And don't tell my boss, but the only real time I can find to even check my mail these days is..gasp..at work. Ugh. Anyone else out there in the same boat? Actually, I assume most of us are. Bayard replies back to Eb- > I don't think Mike meant he was separated from the music business, but > from today's musical times. Exactly. I for one don't see it as a crime to play the music business game (albeit poorly in Robyn's case) and I have no special love for 'indie' music in today's sense of the word. What I mean is that, yes, Robyn has matured and stayed on his own personal course and, yes, that has not been the course that popular music (let's not get into that again!) has taken. Are the gobs of others that have done the same thing? Well certainly. It's nearly inevitable. But I continue to think that, taken as a whole, Robyn offers a really nice and complete package apart from a lot of other elder statesmen of rock'n'roll. He still tours incessantly, he tries new merch gimics (cones), he's rather personable with fans and always has been, he still plays hole-in-the-wall clubs, he still puts out enough 'product' to satisfy fans, he does lots of radio, heck he even makes movies...and he seems to be an all-around humorous and positive guy. I think that all of this taken together does elevate him somewhat above the rest, at least for some or most of us on this list. And I'd also counter that the Robyn Thing does not mean I don't listen to other bands or have higher favorites. As many of you know, my top three are REM, Julian Cope, and Robyn..and probably in that order. Do I make pilgrimages to Athens occasionally? Sure. I admit it. Do I do the nutty fan thing and seek out the slab of concrete on some side road where the REM guys carved their names back when they were nothing? Yes, I have done that. So sue me. Hell, it's only Rock'n'Roll. Sometimes it's just fun to do the fanfeg thing. Granted we shouldn't take it too seriously. I mean, it's not like having a baby or anything. But it's all FUN. Blah blah blah. My irrational tirade is almost ended. I just have to say that I used to criticize people and friends for not listening to more music and for not following the latest "120" bands, etc. But I realized everyone follows their own path. Everyone has their favorite authors...you can't read everyone in the bookstore, it's impossible. There will always be someone or something out there better than your favorite, someone that would take the place of your favorite if only you heard them or read them or met them. But I for one can't live my life that way at the moment. If you have the time, stupendous, but if you don't, it's not a crime. And no matter how much stuff you might absorb from the 60's,70's,80's,90's etc, it's still only a smidgen of all that has come before and all that will come after. In the grand scheme of things, I don't envision it making much difference if someone, for example, listened and loved 1000 bands or only 10. In the end, it's the power and the personal nature of the art that's important, not the quantity of it. So ends Mike's cheesy 12 step feel-good music lesson for today. I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and... - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:39:10 -0800 From: Mike Runion Subject: New Topic - Live Robyn As you may have read from one of my recent posts, I finally scored a CD copy of Live Death. I took a few minutes time-out from my family and the general sitcom chaos of the living room to stretch out on my bedroom floor with the headphones and 'absorb'. Epiphany time! I've collected far too many live tapes already, but here alone with the headphones listening to some rather good Live Robyn, I got to thinking about an alternate world wherein Robyn and the boys had only released live albums. I can't help but wonder if the spectacular acoustic version of "Arms Of Love" might somehow have caught the fancy of more people had it not been relegated to a promo-only CD. Gotta Let This Hen Out! was great in its day, but I really wish there'd been some way to put out another live album or two through the years. Those last few Egyptians tours were really incredible sounding in my opinion compared to the almost mediocre studio output. Needles to say, I stand on pins and needless in anticipation of "Storefront Hitchcock" - the album. Any guesses on whether or not good chunks of live spoken bits will be included (a staple of live shows that is next to non-existent on Robyn's recorded output)? Enough already, - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:11:11 -0600 (CST) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: The Ruling Class Can anyone tell me where Elizabeth Schwartzkopf never went? I can't understand what he says. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 9:29:57 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Ntshuks Bonga + My only friend Elaine Matt asked: > > On a different topic can anyone help me with a song fragment going round my head > from years ago. Robyn sings the line, "My only friend Elaine". Can anyone > identify the song from this ? This is the last line of the song and I'm sure > it's not a cover. You're almost remembering "The Rain". The line is "My only friend -- the rain", unless my own memory fails me. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Fan Eb On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Bayard wrote: > I noticed. Just b/c you don't have a musical artist that stands head and > shoulders above others doesn't mean it's wrong or weird for others to do > so. It probably stems from your listening to too much music. i'm not sure where you're coming from here. i have, on occasion, listened to so much new music that it all started to sound the same; however, that always ends with me being MORE fanatical about artists i consistently enjoy. then i need to convince myself it's worth venturing out into the music world again to find other bands. and it's ALWAYS worth it. i mean, i wouldn't stop anyone from collecting bootlegs if that's what gets them going. but i object to the implication (maybe unintentional) that you're somehow not appreciating Robyn enough if you still hunger for good new music every bit as much once you've heard his stuff. oh well. i guess it all comes down to how often you can stand to listen to music that you like. me: not all that often. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Re: EP Question > on Thu, 20 Nov 1997 Mike Runion asked: > > Plus, I received a tape the other day from a Robyn Hitchcock EP with the > following tracks: Rain / 8 Miles High / Book Of Love / Calvary Cross. I > see Gene H. has this listed as a 7" with the title: Robyn Hitchcock - > Live & Shy, November 1986. Can anyone give me info on this (so's I can > keep my records straight?) > Is Calvary Cross the Richard Thompson song? rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:57 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: look at this e-mail I got Thought you all might appreciate this little tidbit from my (non-Feg) friend: > A couple of weeks ago, I went to see "Old Greenville," downby Wappapello >Lake. When the Army Corps of Engineers created the lake around 1940, they >also helped the nearby town of Greenville pull up stakes and move farther up >Route 67 to avoid flooding. The foundations of the old buildings remain, and >they've put up little signs with photos and descriptions of the homes, >businesses, and other things that used to be there. Across the street from a >foot-high concrete block was a posted explanation that it was a "stile," used >to help people dismount from horses. I knew I had heard that word before, >and after a minute of contemplation, I remembered Robyn Hitchcock singing >about "Oak leaves in autumn, cascading on stiles." I looked back at the >stile, and oak leaves were indeed cascading upon it. As if that wasn't >creepy enough, a few seconds later I remembered that those lyrics were from >"My Favourite Buildings." > He's a very wise man, isn't he? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:02:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: What were the sound engineers on? + new gig I know I've retired into the deepest darkest depths of lurkdom, but I'll briefly mention some of the highs and lows of last night's Jazz Cafe gig. Firstly, I didn't rate the Dear Janes much at the 12 Bar, and I still don't rate them much after last night. But I don't think they deserved the treatment they got from the sound engineer. Okay, to be fair he'd sorted the sound out by the end of their set, but where was he during the sound check? The guitars were too low, the bass was a muddy puddle, and the drums (bass drum + bongos + hi-hat/ride) were a mess. Anyway, enough of the Dear Janes. Robyn was on pretty good form - great vocals, great guitar, etc., etc. I didn't make a note of the set; it consisted of most of the stuff he's been performing recently, but we did get a good selection of new songs, some of which I heard for the first time (Adoration Of The City, Freeze, Feels Like 1974, I Feel Beautiful). Tim joined in for a good proportion of the set, and Ntchuks for quite a few songs as well. Highlights? 'I Feel Beautiful' felt beautiful, and 'I Saw Nick Drake' with sax was nice. We also got a pretty experimental version of Airscape... a bit haphazard during the solo, but 10 out of 10 for effort. Robyn also had some sound engineer problems - guitar effects not working, until he complained about it into the mike and suddenly they sprung to life. "How did you do that?" he asked looking at the sound engineer, "he must be a Scorpio!" We also had one song dedicated to Baby Spice (the man has taste! Go on, let the flames roar!), but I can't for life of me remember which song or why (I don't think he even hinted at why though). All in all, another good gig showcasing some strong new songs. I can't wait for the next album! Gary PS I didn't get to record this one before you all ask! PPS Got handed a flyer on the way out advertising a gig at the acoustic room at the Mean Fiddler on December 9th. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: music addiction (& my last word on EbTide) On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Bayard wrote: > > I noticed. Just b/c you don't have a musical artist that stands head and > > shoulders above others doesn't mean it's wrong or weird for others to do > > so. It probably stems from your listening to too much music. > > i'm not sure where you're coming from here. i have, on occasion, listened > to so much new music that it all started to sound the same; however, that > always ends with me being MORE fanatical about artists i consistently > enjoy. then i need to convince myself it's worth venturing out into the > music world again to find other bands. and it's ALWAYS worth it. I don't mean to knock it for others, but as i said, my personal experience was that music all the time had a sorta negative effect. It sort of changed me. It is the only thing I have ever been "addicted" to besides email. I stopped reading books b/c I couldn't concentrate on the music. I listened to stuff I liked over and over. I got into routines. This is not to say that this is what happened to Eb, or anyone else. Music is a powerful thing though, and Eb says it required a beefing up of his "latching process". He's had to learn to listen really closely and analytically (anally? ;) in order to keep going. In short, his experience of music has become more judgemental. Now, maybe judgemental and feeling are not mutually exclusive, but the danger I see is that micro-analyzing music might change the way you enjoy it. I'm sure I'm way off here and I'm sure Eb will let me know. In fact, forget I ever said any of this, let's just assume I'm wrong and save Eb the bother of following up. > i mean, i wouldn't stop anyone from collecting bootlegs if that's what > gets them going. but i object to the implication (maybe unintentional) > that you're somehow not appreciating Robyn enough if you still hunger for > good new music every bit as much once you've heard his stuff. did i imply that? jeez, sorry, that wasn't what i was thinking at all. i think staying a little hungry is a great thing. if you stop ever getting hungry, you must be dead! > oh well. i guess it all comes down to how often you can stand to listen to > music that you like. me: not all that often. just like Eb! :) I assume you're saying you seek out new stuff all the time so as to avoid getting sick of the stuff you like. Sounds like a plan. Eb replied promptly to my last posts, and was very civil. He didn't say he disrespected anyone and didn't call anyone a weenie. He did disagree with a lot of things I said but I think he misunderstood me again. I'll assume I was not expressing myself clearly and be quiet for a while. I was pleased to note that someone is on Eb's side. (wait a minute.. Eb... Ed... sounds like a case of multiple personalities!! could these be the machinations of the anti-quail and woj sven-woj?) It just goes to show that fegs are the nicest (and most diverse) people. I want to say one final thing about the way I post and the way I perceive Eb's posts. Speaking with my fingers means I am free to keep my tongue lodged in my cheek a lot of the time. (With my biting wit, this can get painful.) There's a lot of irony on this list and it seems to be invisible to some people. The best thing, I think, is to wait a while before responding to something you feel strongly about. This is really hard b/c people are saying exciting and interesting things a lot of the time. Some people are contentious too. I strive to be equitable and objective when I take exception to something someone says. This latest exchange all came about when a couple listmembers tried to welcome Eb "into the fold." "I'll never be a feg," Eb said, as if this were A Bad Thing. We found out that indeed he does think this is bad. He raves about all kinds of bands but focussing on one is "weenieism". Even if that were/is true, that's a really obnoxious thing to say. It's prejudiced and almost factional. Like making fun of what you perceive to be a characteristic trait of an ethnic group or other group in soceity. What I was trying to say with my responses to Eb (which seem to be self-perpetuating, so I've stopped) was, I don't know what you call people you correspond with every day, but I call them "friends". Even if you have no such attachment, it wouldn't cost you a thing to treat these people with respect-- or, if you do not respect them, to be silent. I have no problem with differences of opinion. It is _how_ you say your piece that can start a bitter argument, more that what you say. I have seen flamewars and unpleasant disagreements on this list, and they all could have been avoided if people were just a _little_ bit more courteous, and a little bit more tolerant. I don't want to cramp your style, but if *I* were acting like a jackass, believe me, I would want people to tell me. And people have called me on it when I have been in the wrong. Now I have said what I felt and I leave it to you to take it to heart or with a grain of salt. I feel really guilty about using this much bandwidth, by the way. I just feel strongly about this. You understand. =gandalf ListCultureContent: the deadline for application for the Unhatched Crablings III&IV tapes is american thanksgiving day. send me an email with Re: Unhatched Crablings Tape Tree in the subject and let me know how many copies you can make and what format! (cassette, DAT, minidisc, cdr, dvd) Note that this is a NON-PROFIT tape tree, you must be willing to trade for blanks and postage, or trade. I am thankful to have musicians I really dig, one especially, and especially thankful to have so many friendly friends on the feglist (and Eb, who is really knowledgeable! sincerely.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 12:09:12 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: The Blue Aeroplanes To the feg who just said the Blue Aeroplanes are good: I accidentally deleted your letter, so I don't know who to thank. I just shelled out $3 Canadian ($2.10 US) for The Blue Aeroplanes "Rough Music". Not only did I get it cheap, but it came with a money-back guarantee if I don't like the music! Pluses: - - Nice guitar work, with more than one style used. Not as rough as I had expected from Robyn's description of his use of the band. - - Sax (in one song only) that works well. - - Lyrics that seem interesting enough that I can't say I've got them all thought out during the first listen at my office. - - Lots of different instruments used Problems: - - weak singing. Why have there been so many bands with weak vocals in the last 2 decades? The vocals in this recording are saved from mediocrity by occasional harmonies and spoken lyrics that work well enough. - - Tim Keegan's only on one cut. I was hoping to get a good idea of what he can do. Summary: - - HMV gets to keep my $3 Can. - - This CD will find its way back into my player before long. - - I'd likely buy more Blue Aeroplanes if I can find them at delete-rack prices. Writing this like a memo because I'm at work, - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:30:52 -0800 (PST) From: griffith Subject: re: weenieism Eb wrote: >It's fine if RH is your favorite artist. But I don't respect it when >people are so far into RH that they spend all their time tracking down >redundant concert tapes and checking to see if he changed a verb when >performing x-song live, at the expense of investigating unheard groups >which could possibly become new favorites. That's pure Weenieism, in my >eyes. Because I was so far into REM, I found RH. Through seeking out all of REM's songs on compilations, guest appearances, and influences I've discovered and enjoyed a lot of other musicians that I might not have ever heard of (none of my friends know who RH is). Collecting live tapes is a disease that I am addicted to. I have learned to control that addiction somewhat. I'm not concerned with the discussion of proper verb usage (I ain't no english expert). However, I do enjoy hearing from other people on this list relating stories of how RH changes some of the words while performing live. After the first set at Largo last weekend, I knew that I was damn lucky. RH is a living treasure. He plays live all of the time. He is not some recluse that only releases albums every few years, never to be seen. I think I enjoy the performing RH the most. He seems to be changing and evolving as he performs. I can't really put it into words (although I have gone on way too long). I feel lucky to call myself a feg. griffith PS - did I just come out of the closet? Don't tell my wife ;) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies griffith.davies@csun1.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Fan > Exactly. In fact, if you all want to see where being a huge fan can lead > you, check this out: > > http://www.collectingmagazine.com/coll597/alice.htm very cool. that must be one happy guy. lucky to get the perfect job and learn all he can about something that interests him-- who wouldn't be happy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: misplaced joan of arc Subject: Re: FanFeg Anyone fancy a pint? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 10:54:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: FanFeg ======== Original Message ======== Anyone fancy a pint? ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== just one? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:22:17 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus) Subject: Re: Fan Eb wrote: >Christ, I can't believe you're still trying to cram Alice Cooper down our >throats. Can you post about anything else??? Actually, I was simply trying to make a point, and that was a way to do it. The Alice part is just incidental. >What should this article tell me? That if Bayard or whoever (even me) >becomes enough of a Hitchcock collector, maybe they'll be able to schmooze >their way into RH's inner circle? Surely, there are better reasons to >collect than as a way up the social/employment ladder. Simply that being a major collector of anything, Robyn or Wayne Newton, can be a good investment. >Sheesh. > >That's the same guy whom you had email me months ago, right? The guy who >was going to convince what an important artist that Alice Cooper is, >because he influenced Hanoi Rocks and Motley Crue, etc.? Pass. Like I said, the Alice content was irrelevant. Obviously, you are too close-minded to see the point that I was trying to make. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:57:47 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus) Subject: Re: Fan Bayard wrote: >very cool. that must be one happy guy. lucky to get the perfect job and >learn all he can about something that interests him-- who wouldn't be >happy? Right. Like I said before to EB, the Alice content was irrelevant. Just look at where a collection can take you. The sky is the limit, and I challenge anyone who doesn't believe that. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:50:45 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: The Blue Aeroplanes (no RH) >Problems: > >- weak singing. Why have there been so many bands with weak >vocals in the last 2 decades? The vocals in this recording >are saved from mediocrity by occasional harmonies and spoken >lyrics that work well enough. > I only have oneBlue Aeroplanes CD, "Swagger", but I like it very much. The "singer" actually never really sings on this album, he just speaks the lyrics, but the songs themselves are so melodic it works. Pretty cool. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:32:39 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Fan On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, St. Vitus wrote: > Simply that being a major collector of anything, Robyn or Wayne Newton, can > be a good investment. if i ever justify my fondness for an artist by saying that it's a good investment, i would appreciate all nearby fegs coming after me with baseball bats. this just ain't the path i follow. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Be On The Lookout While a friend of mine was vacationing in the States, someone broke into his flat and stole (among other things) his entire CD collection. If anyone in the London area sees that a second-hand record shop has suddenly acquired a complete collection of Hitchcock and REM CDs and tapes, could someone drop me a line so he can get a description of the person who sold them, or at least buy them back? - -- #! /usr/local/bin/perl $_ = q;cuphycshopfTcLdrO;; y;chop; ota;; print chop; @ARGV = split q;;; while (@ARGV) { print splice (@ARGV, 1, 1), pop, shift; @ARGV = reverse @ARGV; }; print $/; ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:47:52 -0800 From: "jeffery vaska" Subject: dan bern 11/21 = nada hi fegs...well, i missed him. just as i missed robyn at bumbershoot i missed dan - it's something called work. work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. one of my clients called me around 6pm in a panic because they were totally worried that the colors in their print job wouldn't look right - and of course, they didn't trust their print rep. to sign off on the job. so, i spent two and a half hours hanging out in a toxic print warehouse just south of the kingdome last night (i actually do enjoy hanging out at the print houses, it's exciting to SEE your work come to life). i'm especially sorry that i didn't get to catch up with those other fegs (and they know who they are) before the show - it would have been the first time that i had actually met any other fegs...sorry guys, hope the show was cool. i'm sure someday i can prove to the masses that i'm not just a computer glitch in cyberspace. it's friday gang, myself included, let's all lighten up a bit... ciao...jv - ----------------------------------------------------------------- vaska & co. design - "cultured by design" www.cultureddesign.com seattle, washington - usa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:13:10 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (St. Vitus) Subject: Re: Fan Aaron Mandel wrote: >if i ever justify my fondness for an artist by saying that it's a good >investment, i would appreciate all nearby fegs coming after me with >baseball bats. this just ain't the path i follow. And that's fine, but the fact that there is a market for such items is still there. Just because you don't follow that path, doesn't mean the market doesn't exist. For example, I would go so far to postulate that this mailing list has many members who collect anything and everything Robyn. Eventually, that will mean that their collections might get phenomenally large and become worth $$$$$$$ for those who are into the Robyn Hitchcock market. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:37:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fan >Aaron Mandel wrote: >>if i ever justify my fondness for an artist by saying that it's a good >>investment, i would appreciate all nearby fegs coming after me with >>baseball bats. this just ain't the path i follow. > >And that's fine, but the fact that there is a market for such items is >still there. Just because you don't follow that path, doesn't mean the >market doesn't exist. For example, I would go so far to postulate that >this mailing list has many members who collect anything and everything >Robyn. Eventually, that will mean that their collections might get >phenomenally large and become worth $$$$$$$ for those who are into the >Robyn Hitchcock market. Is everyone as fully nauseated by this line of reasoning as me? One thing I can say: I have no doubt that the fanatical RH collectors here collect RH only because they love his music, NOT because they're hoping to parlay their collections into money or "connections." What a revolting thought. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:35:50 -0500 From: "Aidan Cully [Staff]" Subject: whodunnit? Hate to de-lurk for something so trivial, but someone had to notice this: Tracy Aileen Copeland wrote: > While a friend of mine was vacationing in the States, someone > broke into his flat and stole (among other things) his entire CD > collection. If anyone in the London area sees that a second-hand > record shop has suddenly acquired a complete collection of Hitchcock > and REM CDs and tapes, could someone drop me a line so he can get a > description of the person who sold them, or at least buy them back? and then: On Fri, Nov 21, 1997 at 01:13:10PM -0900, St. Vitus wrote: > Aaron Mandel wrote: > >if i ever justify my fondness for an artist by saying that it's a good > >investment, i would appreciate all nearby fegs coming after me with > >baseball bats. this just ain't the path i follow. > > And that's fine, but the fact that there is a market for such items is > still there. Just because you don't follow that path, doesn't mean the > market doesn't exist. For example, I would go so far to postulate that > this mailing list has many members who collect anything and everything > Robyn. Eventually, that will mean that their collections might get > phenomenally large and become worth $$$$$$$ for those who are into the > Robyn Hitchcock market. It was Brett! - --aidan (who's thinking of that Bill Hicks routine, "'Oh, Bill's going after that anti-marketing dollar! That's a very good dollar, Bill's very smart.' That's not what I'm doing.") - -- Aidan Cully "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal Panix Staff lobotomy" aidan@panix.com --Tom Waits ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #74 ******************************