From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #71 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 19 1997 Volume 06 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 100% Robin [M R Godwin ] Re: little rhythmic arcs of red [M R Godwin ] Waiters and Grateful Dead (no RH content) ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: little rhythmic arcs of red [Bayard ] more Largo [griffith ] Re: more Largo [Eb ] Re: 100% Robin [dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson)] Re: the few, the brave, the committed [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Tipping & mondegreens [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #70 [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dig] Robyn Posters [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Big B.)] OUTATUNE [Nick Winkworth ] Re: wind [Eb ] More Largo [SydneyC33@aol.com] Re: More Largo [Eb ] velvety [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] tipping [Alex Tanter ] Re: new subject... ["Napoleon In Rags" ] Re: tipping & dan bern 11/21 ["jeffery vaska" ] Pixies Bootlegs [Terrence M Marks ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:05:11 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% Robin On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Eb wrote: > Question: Any Americans here in love with the new Ally McBeal show? The > only reason I ask is that tonight there was a song on the soundtrack which > I KNOW I'm familiar with, but just couldn't place. It started with "I > started a joooooke...." and went to talk about how "the joke is on me," > etc. It's some mellow '60s-folk thing, I believe. Help? Sounds like a Gibb Brothers concoction to me, possibly a Robin Gibb solo hit from the short period when he left the BGs. First line is "I started a joke that started the whole world laughing"... but that's all I remember. - - Mike (the only Spirit number I remember is 'Fresh Garbage') Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:40:56 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: little rhythmic arcs of red On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Capitalism Blows wrote: > hey, i assume most of you eurofegs saw the soft boys. but did anybody > get to see *both* the soft boys *and* the velvets? do tell! Me, I did. I caught the Boys at that cinema in Charing Cross Road - minus Kimberley, worse luck, and with another guitarist. Does anyone know anything about him? Sean somebody, I think. Is he in a band now? I saw the Velvets at the Wembley Arena. It was the only time I ever saw them as they had never previously visited the UK, and I think it was about the second or third show on the tour (they opened in Edinburgh). I had long given up hope of ever hearing that awesome clattering noise live, and it was quite wonderful. 'Black Angel's Death Song' and 'Waiting for the Man' sounded amazing, not unlike the record but with so much more vigour and presence. Moe gets that noise by hitting two timps hard, both at the same time. Talk about music consisting of constant repetitive beats... Cale was in fine form and recited 'The Gift' to huge applause. Morrison looked perfectly OK, played well, I couldn't believe it when he dropped dead so soon afterwards. One of the reviews said that he played "like a Renaissance tugboat captain", whatever that means. Lou was playing all the guitar parts note perfect, but there was something a bit odd about his voice. At first it seemed as if he was just taking some vocal liberties, but after a bit I decided that his voice was just not working right. I don't think it mattered too much in the overall context of the group. The only new number they played was that 'Coyote' thing, which is a bit of a throwaway, and I was disappointed that Lou and John didn't perform a couple of the songs for Drella. Still, it was a great, great experience. Apparently the old Reed paranoia took a grip within the next few performances, and they started to drop off in quality, so I was lucky to catch them on form. That Victor Bockris biography gives a few stories of the rotten way that he has treated Cale (and lots of other people). How can such an unpleasant person write such sensitive songs? - - Mike Godwin PS The recent edition of "Loaded" including lots of outtakes is really good - essential VU stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:29:19 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Waiters and Grateful Dead (no RH content) Eb wrote I have a lot of sympathy over this. I have no problem paying for my food and drink and leaving a big tip. But when I combine eating with gigging it never works out. Either the people I'm with want to leave early or go downstairs to dance before the bill (check) is paid or I get a whole lot of 'attitude' from a bouncer or a waiter at some stage during the evening. I've had a few gigs spoiled this way. So now I've a simple rule - screw the club's table service. Before the gig go somewhere *else* to eat first. Then at the club go I stand downstairs with the 'great unwashed' 2 feet away from the band. Much more fun. < Easily the best live show I've seen this year. I suppose I view Spiritualized like others of you see the Grateful Dead -- you gotta see 'em live to understand. ;) > Surely that's not possible. Didn't Mr Garcia die or something ? I'm speaking as someone who bought their first Grateful Dead album last week and can't stop playing Sugar Magnolia. Sorry I'm rambling ... _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Knights mknights@harrywasp.prestel.co.uk `Ton ame est un lac d'amour dont mes desirs sont les cygnes...' _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 10:12:34 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: the Largo show 15-Nov-97 > > Eb, never a fan of Grant Lee Buffalo and other messiah-rock acts (U2, > Radiohead, the Alarm, etc.) > You forgot Robyn Hitchcock. Remember, "God walks among us". - -- Ross (pronounced "woj") Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: little rhythmic arcs of red > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Eddie wrote: > > hey, i assume most of you eurofegs saw the soft boys. but did anybody > > get to see *both* the soft boys *and* the velvets? do tell! On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > Me, I did. I caught the Boys at that cinema in Charing Cross Road - minus > Kimberley, worse luck, and with another guitarist. Does anyone know > anything about him? Sean somebody, I think. Is he in a band now? Sean Lyons. But didn't you get to see them back in the day Mike? (non-'94 reunion). I was under the impression you were one of our honored elders. At least I remember something about two fegs who looked like Friar Tuck, and I thought you were one. Of course now I know Eddie looks a bit like a young Friar Tuck, but it's mostly the cool clothes. Eddie's just awesome all 'round. I still can't believe how little the Soft Boys have played America. It's a crime, I tell ya. Now _that_ would be a once-in-a-lifetime show. I'd even pay the whole tip. =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: griffith Subject: more Largo Since I get the digest, I didn't really want to duplicate what everyone else had to say. I thought the first set was near perfect. 'I Feel Beautiful' was very good. Note to the guitar playing fegs: Robyn used a capo on the second fret and played without a pick - just strumming with his thumb. 'Nietzche's Way' sounded a lot like the Victoria Williams song 'Nature's Way'. If I heard it correctly, the reason that Robyn was in LA was to record some songs in the studio. He had mentioned that Grant Lee Phillips hit his head on a glass door in the studio. Grant just about knocked me out of my chair when he came running to the stage - slammed right into me. Jon Brion is quite a talented musician. I didn't 'get' his style though. During the second set it was fun watching him play piano with his left hand and drink a beer with his right hand. The second set flucuated between exciting and excrutiating. My wife found it extremely excrutiating. I did like their version of 'The End'. I saw someone with a tape deck and a microphone sitting on a table in the front, so a tape or two are floating around....Can I get one? griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies griffith.davies@csun1.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:25:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: more Largo >'Nietzche's Way' sounded a lot like the Victoria Williams song 'Nature's >Way'. Victoria covered the song -- Spirit wrote it. >I saw someone with a tape deck and a microphone sitting on a table in the >front, so a tape or two are floating around....Can I get one? The guy taping in front was actually Robyn's publicist at Warner Brothers! So good luck getting a copy from him. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: 100% Robin Mike Godwin wrote: > >On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Eb wrote: >> Question: Any Americans here in love with the new Ally McBeal show? The >> only reason I ask is that tonight there was a song on the soundtrack which >> I KNOW I'm familiar with, but just couldn't place. It started with "I >> started a joooooke...." and went to talk about how "the joke is on me," >> etc. It's some mellow '60s-folk thing, I believe. Help? > >Sounds like a Gibb Brothers concoction to me, possibly a Robin Gibb solo >hit from the short period when he left the BGs. First line is "I started a >joke that started the whole world laughing"... but that's all I remember. > Yeah, it's "I Started a Joke", from the Bee Gees' 4th LP, _Idea_ (1968). It was also released as a single in the US, and later covered by Lulu, among others. The first line is "I started a joke, that started the whole world crying...". Kind of a sappy tune - I much prefer "Turn of The Century", "Cucumber Castle", or "New York Mining Disaster 1941" from that era of Bee Gees. Greg - -- /*** |*** /*** /*** | Gregory "GROG" Watson |* |* >* |* \* |* | dy288@freenet.carleton.ca * TheOAM@psynet.net |* |** |*** |* /* |* |** | www.psynet.net/TheOAM \*** |* \* \*** \*** | The Orange Alabaster Mushroom * The Knurlings ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:32:50 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: the few, the brave, the committed >i DO have a question though...DAN BERN...is >there any connection between this guy and >robyn (if there is i just happened to not be >reading the fegposts that day). i'm going >to make the attempt to see him on the 21st, >but my is having a super 60 bash, so i'm >quite tentative for such plans... The DNA tests are not back yet. They share clever word play and effective presentation skills, coupled with some whimsy. Neither of them are so in love with their prose that they fear saying something that misses or hits or does nothing at all. They both are able to construct a song that is clever and obtuse and you can sing along to it. Dan is a bit more in-your-face and youthful. His demeanor shows some attitude and absolute youthful confidence that does not seem fragile. Dan's lyrics are more physical. Less fanciful. Maybe less poetic. He and Beck are the only thing I've heard that seemed new to me in a long, long time. He gets grouped with Ani D'franco commonly, but I find him much more melodic and easy to listen to- this I say, though I have never been able to get used to Bob Dylan's voice, who Dan sounds like often. Vocally and musically, three of his most significant influences must be Elvis Costello, T. Bone Burnett, and Bob Dylan. I was warned by Bern fans that he is much better live than he is in the studio. I was warned by someone who liked his CD that he wasn't as good live. Having heard the CD many times before seeing him live, I think he was even better live. Don't make me come after you, see him. I hope you find this better than useless, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:56:33 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Tipping & mondegreens >dollars short of what he customarily would get. Four bucks? Ahh, no huge >loss. But oh boy, is this asshole miffed. "It was a $56 check! This is >totally uncool. This is totally uncool." FUCK YOU. Get mad at the >beer-guzzlers who left without leaving you a DIME, not me! :P (Not that ah - another reason why I like New Zealand - a country which does not have tipping. The only people who pay tips here are tourists, and they tend to get surprised looks from locals when they do. >any more: "Airscape": "Where rangers hover..." "Tonight": "I am hearing everywhere tonight" and, of course, you can hear me on the Glass Flesh tape singing: "Sitting in a caiage in the pouring rain, and swimming in an anorak" (*blush*) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:00:10 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #70 >Easily the best live show I've seen this year. I suppose I view >Spiritualized like others of you see the Grateful Dead -- you gotta see 'em >live to understand. ;) Their song "I want you" off Lazer Guided Melodies is wonderful - actually I love that whole album, but was much elss impressed with the two since then. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll ever get to see them live :( >Question: Any Americans here in love with the new Ally McBeal show? The >only reason I ask is that tonight there was a song on the soundtrack which >I KNOW I'm familiar with, but just couldn't place. It started with "I >started a joooooke...." and went to talk about how "the joke is on me," >etc. It's some mellow '60s-folk thing, I believe. Help? "I started a joke, that started the whole world crying, but I didn't see, that the joke was on me" pre-disco BeeGees, from back in the days when they could sing and write half-way decent songs. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:20:11 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Big B.) Subject: Robyn Posters For those of you who consider themselves the Robyn Hitchcock Archives and are really into collecting Robyn memorobilia, there are some concert posters for sale at: http://www.concertposters.com/~legends/artifact.htm Simply scroll down to the Robyn Hitchcock section of the alphabet and have fun! Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:33:01 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: OUTATUNE The Feg Eb commented thusly: > ... I enjoyed the minor missteps and fumblings, as > opposed to the dependably seamless playing of Metcalfe & Co. And I do > get tired of the fretless-bass sound. God, you're so right. I do so *hate* it when the band plays well. Ruins the whole point of going to a gig. If I want to hear a song played in tune I'll just go out and buy the record thank you very much. And as for that damn fretless bass - what was Andy thinking of? We have a twelve-tone system in western music - let's just stick to it shall we? If you play between the notes they're just not "notes", right? (If violins had frets maybe classical music would be popular!) Sure you're bored with that fretless bass sound - same-old, same-old if you ask me. Sting, Metcalf, Pastorious - who can tell the difference? ~N Desperately trying to hammer the frets back into his fretless bass... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:27:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: wind >> ... I enjoyed the minor missteps and fumblings, as >> opposed to the dependably seamless playing of Metcalfe & Co. And I do >> get tired of the fretless-bass sound. > >God, you're so right. I do so *hate* it when the band plays well. Ruins >the whole point of going to a gig. If I want to hear a song played in >tune I'll just go out and buy the record thank you very much. > >And as for that damn fretless bass - what was Andy thinking of? We have >a twelve-tone system in western music - let's just stick to it shall we? >If you play between the notes they're just not "notes", right? (If >violins had frets maybe classical music would be popular!) > >Sure you're bored with that fretless bass sound - same-old, same-old if >you ask me. Sting, Metcalf, Pastorious - who can tell the difference? Hell hath no fury like a fretless bassist scorned...zzzzz. I said what I felt. I have my reasons. Spare me the condescending sarcasm. I get tired of the fretless bass in Lou Reed's music too -- it just tends to be too distracting from the central thrust of a rock 'n' roll song. Jazz is another matter altogether. And it has nothing do with being a twelve-tone stick-in-the-mud, fer chrissakes. :P I've always felt that Robyn's shows are a bit samey. Watching him feel out a new band of musicians was an interesting variation. When you listen to Pastorious, aren't you looking for a bit of spontaneous chemistry/creation? Well, that's what I saw at the Cafe Largo show. Not so with the well-honed grooves of the Egyptians. Incidentally, I enjoyed Jon Brion's solo barrelhouse-piano version of the Move's "Fire Brigade" more than any of Robyn's own covers ("Arnold Layne" excepted). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:18:38 -0500 (EST) From: SydneyC33@aol.com Subject: More Largo Thanks, Chris, for the thoughtful review! And it was great to share a table with Eb and see fellow Fegs Griffith and Dan there. :) << The new songs: "I Feel Beautiful" is a gentle, touchy-feely love song which was introduced by Robyn saying "This is a song that Jon and I just built." >> I *loved* this song. The female point of view? Touchy-feely, yes, but also touchING and romantic. I confess, I swooned. I wonder if anyone noticed. "I feel beautiful because you love me. I've been waiting for you for centuries...waiting on the festival pier for decades..." I CAN'T WAIT to hear this one again. <> Second set was as follows: The End Love Minus Zero It's Only Rock and Roll Don't Let Me Down Sweet Marie Arnold Layne Fuzzy (?) (Grant Lee Phillips) Robyn's song about 'Hair' Grant's song about a Ouiji Board Clear Spot <> This was the Ouiji Board song and it was hysterical! Eb adds: <> From Chris' setlist, this was Nietzsche's Way. "Los Angeles Police come in many flavors..." Is this right? <> I'd tell the truth, Eb, but I might spoil your image. ;) A couple of other show delights... At one point Robyn said with his dry delivery, "I've got to watch my voice. I *am* 44. You can use your age as an excuse for absolutely anything." Robyn's trademark, geographically-tailored Clean Steve lyrics... "You could've knocked him down with a subway system, if you'd built one." Angelinos know what we're talking about here! :) In Mill Valley it was "Marin County", in Seattle "the Space Needle", right? After Robyn's solo set, he yells out, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Rick Wakeman and Carlos Santana! (Somehow this loses something on my screen here, but trust me, it was a *funny* line!) In all, a wonderful show! :) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:10:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: More Largo >After Robyn's solo set, he yells out, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Rick Wakeman and >Carlos Santana! (Somehow this loses something on my screen here, but trust >me, it was a *funny* line!) To explain further: He said this because due to the most recent instrument swap, there was no one playing piano. So he was sort of jokingly calling out for a keyboard player. Then he added the Santana reference as a "topper." Still isn't quite funny, is it? Oh well. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:10:17 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: velvety =20 > >I did go see the band Spiritualized on Saturday night, >and would highly recommend them. How to best describe what they >do in layman's terms? I'd say they are a combination of >Velvet Underground droning, mixed with early Pink Floyd ("Set The >Controls"-type extended space jams) and Sonic Youth with a little blues >harp thrown in for good measure and vocals that reminded me of Steve >("The Church") Kilbey. =20 > >listening to all my cd's in alphabetical order, i'm just finishing up=20 >with the velvet underground. that live album...oh hell, i can figure it= =20 >out. roman numerals aren't *that* difficult. lessee...MCMXCIV...sound=20 >right? anyway, it's still as jaw-droppingly incredible as it ever was. = =20 >if any of y'all don't have it, i just can't recommend it highly enough. = =20 >and don't get that candy-assed single-disc version. i don't even know=20 >what is up with that in the first place. >but what i was just thinking was that it's pretty damned inneresting=20 >that two '94 euro reunion tours produced two of the finest albums=20 >anybody is ever going to hear. (this and WHERE ARE THE PRAWNS?) =20 >criminy but i wish both bands had gone into the studio in '94. rip=20 >sterling morrison. >hey, i assume most of you eurofegs saw the soft boys. but did anybody=20 >get to see *both* the soft boys *and* the velvets? do tell! two Velvets mentions on the same digest! now I feel I can mention this- for every Velvet Underground fan who is also a feg (and who isn't?- don't flame me, I am being a little sarcastic:-) ), you might be interested to know that Moe Tucker has HER OWN WEBSITE. go to http://www.spearedpeanut.com/tajmoehal/ and you will enter HER site, as in the MOE herself answers the email...she is also selling her new cd's... for all the info you ever wanted on the (mis)adventures of her, John Cale, Nico & Sterling (RIP), along with the man from New York she calls 'honeybun' (hint- he released an double album of static in the mid-seventies...at least that's what it sounded like to me!), (oh yeah, can't forget Doug Yule) , check it out! >=20 >=20 >("Vegetation And Dimes"): > >"Call 1-800-BELIEVER/Ask for Dean..." >=20 what? then what the hell IS this line fo rreal? -luther w dudich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:43:13 From: Alex Tanter Subject: tipping Oprah did a show last year or maybe it was the year before, in which employees from various service industries told us how much we should tip them and which types of services deserve to receive tips. I think the whole thing should be done away with. Pay people a decent wage for serving tables and forget tipping. If I pay $50 for a dinner for two, there's plenty of room there to pay the server 15% without my having to add another 15% on top. I don't always tip--if the service hasn't been good I either tip low or not at all. Just because someone is a waiter doesn't mean he deserves a tip. If he provides good service, that's different. Why don't we tip Robyn for giving us a great show? We could throw the money onto the stage or a hat could be passed around. Why don't we tip the cashiers at our grocery store when we have a huge order that costs more than $70? Why don't we tip the people who pump the petrol for our cars? Why is it that certain industries have tipping and some don't? In my work, I get a commission that's built into what the client is charged. Maybe they should be tipping me. Marcy ps--why don't we tip Woj for maintaining this site.....???? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:49:39 -0700 From: "Napoleon In Rags" Subject: Re: new subject... Eb hat geschrieben: > Question: Any Americans here in love with the new Ally McBeal show? > The only reason I ask is that tonight there was a song on the > soundtrack which I KNOW I'm familiar with, but just couldn't place. > It started with "I started a joooooke...." and went to talk about > how "the joke is on me," etc. It's some mellow '60s-folk thing, I > believe. Help? That would be the Bee Gees' 1971 hit, "I Started A Joke". - --g "One cannot love lumps of flesh, and little infants are nothing more." --Samuel Johnson *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:54:24 -0800 From: "jeffery vaska" Subject: Re: tipping & dan bern 11/21 >Marcy has conspired... > >ps--why don't we tip Woj for maintaining this site.....???? ugh, don't give him any ideas now (wink-wink), but if it comes to that i'd be glad to donate my collection of color photocopied scottish tartans (about 250 of them)...well, uhm, i could make him a copy of it at least... non-robyn...now that i have been sufficiently threatened by the ghastly mark gloster, i believe that i better attend the dan bern concert this friday eve in good ole ballard for my own well being. i know cynthia is going to attend - any other seattle fegs going to make it? did somebody actually propose some real plans for this? email me on or off...ciao np: "schoolgirl report & other music from sexy german films (1968-1972)" - apparently this stuff is from german softcore porn movies and judging by the packaging materials this is probably the case. way sixties porn psychedelic... ps: another thread idea - what if woj did demand tribute for being "the man?" what would it take to appease him and how far would all of us go to keep receiving our daily portion of robyn sourdough bread? i better just shut up now... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- vaska & co. design - "cultured by design" www.cultureddesign.com seattle, washington - usa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Pixies Bootlegs I've got some Pixies tapes that I don't care for any longer. (6.10.89 at Zurich, Bossanova and 11.07.91 at Leysin Festival) Free to anyone who asks. To the rest, sorry about the bandwidth Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #71 ******************************