From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #64 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 12 1997 Volume 06 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Zilch! Bob Dobolina, Mr. Bob Dobolina [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_P] Re: Spice Girls? [M R Godwin ] Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) [M R Godwin ] Re: Storefront news [lj lindhurst ] Re: handy hints and spiffing wheezes [M R Godwin ] re: Largo [griffith ] Shock the Monkees ["Kyrie Liason" ] Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Browning [M R Godwin ] Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) [M R Godwin ] Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) [Debora ] Exploding in Silence [firstcat@lsli.com] Question for chalkhills people (no RH) [Ross Overbury ] Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Re: non-essential [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] MP3 Stuff [Tom Clark ] Re: Storefront news [Eb ] No KCRW [griffith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:10:41 GMT From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Zilch! Bob Dobolina, Mr. Bob Dobolina >>>>> "Kyrie" == Kyrie Liason writes: Kyrie> ***LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!! WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT, FOR Kyrie> YOUR DINING AND DANCING PLEASURE, THE NON-ESSENTIALS!!!*** Reminds me of a repeated sketch theme from The Mary Whitehouse Experience where Newman & Baddiel pretended to be noted bands with useless members. Halfway through the song, they'd stop, and the lead singer would ask the useless one, "'Scuse me, what exactly do I pay you for?". The two bands (and useless members) were Shakespeare's Sister (Siobhan) and The Happy Mondays (Bez). It loses something in the transition to e-mail, but so it goes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:08:41 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Spice Girls? Did you catch that news item this morning where one of them (reputed age 21) mislaid her passport? Apparently the finder looked inside and her real age was 32! Can't remember which one it was, though - might have been La-La or Po. - - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:14:26 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) MG asserts: The Monkees could never play live - they always had a backing band. On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Are you sure about this? What was the setup? > Monkees just sang while a band played? > Monkees played while a band provided the bits that The Monkees couldn't on > account of there only being four of them? (or three or two) > I mean, they could play all the instruments on Headquarters, so they ought > to be able to do some things live. I would gues at #3. The story I heard was that on their recent revival tour, there was a whole backing band behind a curtain. I have never seen them live, but I understand that Micky Dolenz (aka Micky Braddock) always included his James Brown impersonation in the act, so they must have had a deputy drummer. And I can't believe that they could ever have played 'Clarksville' or 'Valleri' without professional assistance, both instrumetnal and vocal. Maybe someone else can clarify this. Is anyone here going to confess to having seen a Monkees gig? > The Beach Boys have been one of the most unstable live acts around. From > Brian's breakdown to the late 70s (where you didn't know how many of them > would even show up, much less be in a condition to play). I think that answers your question about why they aren't such a big live draw. > (And I'll add "be able to play live" to my big list of tips for bands, > right between "wear tight leather pants"(How do you think The Doors beat > out Love?)... Good. But the Doors were an extremely solid live act when I saw them, and by all accounts Love could be very erratic, with Arthur refusing to tour etc. The only time I saw him, he was fairly uninspiring and had a hack backing band. I think that maybe what's bothering you is that it is perfectly possible to make great records without being able to play well live - I think Phil Spector discovered this. And I reckon you have to see a band at least once before you can tell whether they have got it or not. I certainly got into Robyn Hitchcock from seeing the Egyptians live, not because of hearing their records. - - Mike Godwin PS Never mind Louise Woodward, is there any further news of Arthur Lee's jail sentence? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:25:47 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Storefront news >Those of you who were there, or anyone with inside info., any guesses on >what will be featured on the soundtrack? ... >Any hope of "Surfer Ghost"? I'm imagining "Balloon Man" with Deni, >"Madonna of Wasps" with Tim, "Airscape," what else? He basically did the _Moss Elixir_ tour set. Tim Keegan wasn't featured a lot, neither was Dummy Bonehead-- they mostly stood to the side through the whole thing. I don't think he performed ANY of the songs you mentioned, though it's hard to remember a whole year ago. Robyn seemed a bit on the stiff side, and he spoke very little. There were none of those rambling, stream-of-consciousness interludes that we all love so much. In fact, I would say that this was probably the least passionate performance I have ever seen our man put on. But who could blame him, what with all of that equipment everywhere, and the big mechanical camera looming in front of him. This I can tell you: His mom was there-- that was cool. She was unmistakably Robynesque. And feg Tom "dobbs" Ferry and I were interviewed on the way out, so maybe we will be in the movie! We "gave good bite", so I am hopeful... i'm just not myself today, lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:16:14 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: handy hints and spiffing wheezes On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, James Dignan wrote: > I used to own the sheet music. It's definitely "In which we live in". Agreed. As with Mucky, there is only one right answer on this. (crib to reel thorts): I wonder how much he paid for the sheet music?) > PPPS - Linctus is another name for cough syrup Agreed. This has been round before. In my town, cough linctus used to be the subject of widespread abuse on account of its morphine content (how I know? Oh, I just do). Is this a drug song? - - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: griffith Subject: re: Largo Sydney posted: >But I've made my decision. I'm trusting you, Griffith. The pressure's on. I wish I could remember the line from Real Genius where Lazlo is typing away hurriedly. He says something like "Don't pressure me, I don't work well under pressure". When the guy from Largo called my house, I was out. But my wife did talk to him. He told her Robyn *Hitchcock* would be playing saturday. But he also said to check back later, just to be sure there weren't any cancellations.... I'll keep calling and posting.... griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@huey.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:06:12 -0700 From: "Kyrie Liason" Subject: Shock the Monkees M R Godwin wondered: > Is anyone here going to confess to having seen a Monkees gig? I'll confess to having seen one their shows. I think it was at Great America amusement park in 1986 or so. The Monkees (Dolenz, Tork, Jones) were touring with Herman's Hermits (sans Peter Noone), Gary Puckett and the Union Gap (actually Gary Puckett and some hired hacks) and Rob Grill and the Grass Roots (actually Rob Grill and some hired hacks -- maybe the same hired hacks that Gary Puckett employed). I don't remember being especially impressed with any of the bands that night. Although the Monkees had backing musicians, I do remember Tork and Dolenz playing guitar (Tork even played lead here and there). Jones played his usual part of wanker, leaving the stage during the songs that didn't require his wanking. I've never seen the Beach Boys live, but I understand that the stage can get very crowded with Mike Love's ego tangling with all the extra musicians they hire to make them sound good. Rolling Stones: Never seen 'em, have no inkling to...perhaps if it were 1972/73... Eagles? Saw 'em in '94 with my ex...*HUGE* disappointment. Tix were too pricey, the seating was shitty and the show was boring and predictable. I could have stayed home and listened to the album(s), gotten the same effect and saved myself $55 per ticket plus parking and gas and toll. Extra musicians galore. Don Henley barely plays drums anymore. Pink Floyd -- I was at the Oakland Coliseum on the Momentary Lapse of Talent tour. I still get acid flashbacks everytime I hear "Wish You Were Here" while it's raining. Lotsa extra musicians, but I didn't care -- I was there for the visuals and the overall presentation. I couldn't have given a rat's ass about the music. Sorry for the ramble, but this might explain, in part, why I no longer go to big arena shows. As cynical as I am about the Monkees, I recommend their movie "Head" to any of you. After watching it, you will see that they were just as cynical about themselves as the public was about them. Cheers! - --g "Nobody ever lends money to a man with a sense of humour." --Peter Tork, "Head" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) > I would gues at #3. The story I heard was that on their recent revival > tour, there was a whole backing band behind a curtain. I have never seen > them live, but I understand that Micky Dolenz (aka Micky Braddock) always > included his James Brown impersonation in the act, so they must have had a > deputy drummer. And I can't believe that they could ever have played > 'Clarksville' or 'Valleri' without professional assistance, both > instrumetnal and vocal. Maybe someone else can clarify this. Is anyone > here going to confess to having seen a Monkees gig? Given the near-impossible flamenco guitar and the only-possible-if-you-have-a-horns-player horns on 'Valleri', I'd wager that they had some help. But why Clarksville? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:29:31 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Browning I have consulted with a lecturer in the German dept here. Apparently the quote "When I hear the word culture I reach for my Browning", comes from a play by a Nazi playwright, Hanns Johst. The original is: Wenn ich Kultur hore... entsichere ich meinen Browning" I'm sure RH was referring to this when he wrote "When I hear the word democracy I reach for my headphones". - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:34:18 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Given the near-impossible flamenco guitar and the > only-possible-if-you-have-a-horns-player horns on 'Valleri', I'd wager > that they had some help. > But why Clarksville? Oh, I've been trying for years to pick the opening riff without success (have you got a tab of it?). And the "Paperback Writer" harmonies sound difficult to me. Maybe I just haven't got the hang of it. - - Mike G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:25:29 -0800 From: Debora Subject: Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) > > On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > Are you sure about this? What was the setup? > > Monkees just sang while a band played? > > Monkees played while a band provided the bits that The Monkees > > couldn't on account of there only being four of them? (or three or > > two). I mean, they could play all the instruments on Headquarters, > > so they ought to be able to do some things live. M R Godwin responded: > Maybe someone else can clarify this. Is anyone here going to confess > to having seen a Monkees gig? Okay, I'll de-lurk to admit it. My excuse is that it was my job - I took several residents from the group home where I worked. They had a backing band, but at least it was in front of the curtain (tho set way back). The Monkees played their instruments occasionally, but they put them down to do their strut and dance much of the time. Can't say I liked the show, but my residents had a blast. Robyn content: I may be out of the loop, but a friend of mine said he heard a studio version of Viva Sea-Tac on KCMU, the college station in Seattle. This was about a month ago; has a single been released yet? Debora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 12:31:21 From: firstcat@lsli.com Subject: Exploding in Silence Exploding in Silence...whats on it...it shows as a 4 track promo on Relativity Cheers Jay - ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 11/11/97 I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:18:14 EST From: Ross Overbury Subject: Question for chalkhills people (no RH) I just found "Carmen Sandiego Out Of This World", which features XTC and They Might Be Giants. One of the cuts is "Change My World", by Johnny Nexdoor & His Neighbors, written by Sean Altman and Billy Straus. Billy Straus gets credit for most of the instruments. It sure sounds like Andy P. Anybody got the straight poop on this recording? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: lj lindhurst Subject: chlkhlls people rambling(definitely no RH) >I just found "Carmen Sandiego Out Of This World", which features >XTC and They Might Be Giants. One of the cuts is "Change My World", >by Johnny Nexdoor & His Neighbors, written by Sean Altman and Billy >Straus. Billy Straus gets credit for most of the instruments. It >sure sounds like Andy P. > >Anybody got the straight poop on this recording? Yeah, I would like to know too! How do you like this CD? On a somewhat related note, are there any MonoPuff fans on the list? If so, which of the 2 (right?) albums is better? I saw them live a couple of months ago, and they were fabulous. I especially like the song about the devil-- I would love to see the lyrics to that. (anyone, hint, hint) I have $21 to live on until Friday. SHould I buy the new Everclear album? look I posted twice today. where is the quail to thwart me? my house has been music-less all day, lj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:34:51 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: Exploding in Silence >Exploding in Silence...whats on it...it shows as a 4 track promo on Relativity > >Cheers >Jay I believe this one has 4 live tracks that are now on the "Gotta Let This Hen Out" CD. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:49:20 -0500 (EST) From: Owlvomitt@aol.com Subject: storefront? i was wondering if you knew anything about the Storefront Hitchcock film. I was in it and i haven't been able to find it anywhere, though i am DYING to see it!! if you have any info about this would you please email me? thanks an awful lot!! die hard fan, JEN owlvomitt@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:43:06 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Storefront news really? nobody was there? at the early show ("this isn't a gig as such. but we're keeping the money, so, thank you.") at maxwell's on 12/6/96, he talked about the movie, said everyone was invited, and said, "we're just test-driving the set." it was only robyn and deni, but here's what they played: Devil's Radio, 1974, De Chirico St., Filthy Bird, Statue With a Walkman, Thundering, I'm Only You, Glass Hotel, I Something You, The Yip Song, I Am Not Me, You and Oblivion, Airscape, Freeze, Only the Stones, Heaven, I Got A Message ...it was an AWESOME show. this kind of surprises me. first, it's a little hard to believe that demme would give up creative control. granted that it's the subject of the movie nixing a song, and not the studio... also, such a great song. i would've loved to have seen it on the big screen! well, i was thinking: "when i hear the word security, i reach for my shot gun." but, i think, "when i hear the word democracy, i reach for my headphones," is the best line he's ever written. forget what's *on* EXPLODING IN SILENCE. you gotta have it just for the picture! lord ain't it fine! hey, does anybody know what was the first cd to use the clear backing, letting you see both sides of the insert card? i remember a friend saying to me, "do you know about the secret picture on UNDERTOW?" and i didn't know what the hell he was talking about, so he showed me. it seems like it was after that that the clear-backing jewel boxes started showing up. eb, this is your department, yes? my all-time fave has got to be the one for 1976-1981. "rock and roll laboratory." Any hope of "Surfer Ghost"? I'm imagining "Balloon Man" with Deni, "Madonna of Wasps" with Tim, "Airscape," what else? "Jim" Francis Fuck You! I won't do what you tell me! (repeat fourteen times) --Rage Against the Machine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:39:17 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Monkees (0.001 RH) > Oh, I've been trying for years to pick the opening riff without success > (have you got a tab of it?). And the "Paperback Writer" harmonies sound > difficult to me. Maybe I just haven't got the hang of it. Hmm...The Clarksville riff is a fair amount easier than the Pleasant Valley Sunday riff. And with 4 singers, there's no reason that The Monkees couldn't pull it off. (I mean, The Beatles could pull off "Paperback Writer" harmonies live and Ringo didn't sing on that, did he?) Let me check my files and listen to my tape..one mo - ------------------------------------ - ------------0-----0----------------- - ----0-----0-----0------------------- - --------3-----2-----0--------------- - ------------------------------------ - --3--------------------------------- A fair number of Monkees songs had more instruments than Monkees, though.. (ie. I'm a Believer would require Peter to play keyboards and bass at the same time... My guess is that Peter and Mike played live, and Davy and Micky didn't. [Well, does it matter if Davy did or not?]) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:30:31 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: non-essential >***LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!! WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT, FOR YOUR >DINING AND DANCING PLEASURE, THE NON-ESSENTIALS!!!*** > >Davy Jones >Stevie Nicks >Eddie Brigatti >Linda McCartney >Art Garfunkel >Roger Daltrey >John Oates >Boz Burrell a bit mean on Art Bullwinkle and Roger from Oz there... it was their voices that were essential. Bridge over troubled water as an instrumental? Naah. Better to include Andrew Ridgeley (The man who put the 'ham' in Wham!) and the prat who danced (!) for the Happy Mondays. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 16:55:31 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: MP3 Stuff A while ago someone was asking about MPEG-3 audio thingies, but I've forgotten whom... Contact me if it was you - I've got some news. decomposing, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:31:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Storefront news >hey, does anybody know what was the first cd to use the clear backing, >letting you see both sides of the insert card? i remember a friend >saying to me, "do you know about the secret picture on UNDERTOW?" and i >didn't know what the hell he was talking about, so he showed me. it >seems like it was after that that the clear-backing jewel boxes started >showing up. eb, this is your department, yes? Umm, I guess I can't help you. It seemed to me like Sony was the first label to use clear trays extensively, though.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:15:18 -0800 (PST) From: griffith Subject: No KCRW I finally got confirmation that Robyn will NOT be swinging by KCRW while in Los Angeles. Maybe next time.... griffith = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Griffith Davies hbrtv219@huey.csun.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #64 ******************************