From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #61 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, November 9 1997 Volume 06 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: LA (local area) Fegs - Shows [SydneyC33@aol.com] Re: Seeding, History [biscotti and borscht ] Browning ["Socialism Blows" ] Halloween fun [John Barrington Jones ] Re: safe & warm in LA [John Barrington Jones ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #55 [Aaron Lowe ] For Sale ["Tery DiSandro" ] Re: And In The Element Of Style [John Chandler ] unproduction [was: seeding and history] [Bayard ] Storefront news [Carl Abraham Zimring ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #60 [Carole Reichstein ] [none] ["Jonathan B. Pont" ] Re: Seeding, History [Tracy Aileen Copeland ] The spatial and temporal aspects of Fegs ["Children's Television Worship"] god forbid he'd sell this stuff ["vaska" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:28:52 -0500 (EST) From: SydneyC33@aol.com Subject: Re: LA (local area) Fegs - Shows Cynthia writes: << I haven't heard any hints or whispers of an RH appearance anywhere around here, though. So who was organizing that shuttle down the West coast to LA? >> I'm not sure who's organizing the shuttle, but so far we have Cynthia waiting at the Space Needle; Russ waiting in San Jose at the corner of 4th and Gish; Mark Bauer waiting in Sacramento on the west steps of the (state) Capitol; Bayard waiting on the steps of THE Capitol; Jay Hedblade waiting where, dearest? Grant Park? It's unlikely that BART will lay enough track by next Saturday. Damn. I'd volunteer to pick all of you up, but the Leer's in the shop... So sorry. Fortunately for me, the car *is* running. :) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:32:02 -0500 From: biscotti and borscht Subject: Re: Seeding, History also sprach Stephen Buckalew: >Actually, in an interview I read after ME/ML were released, Robyn said that >he liked the tracks on Moss Elixir better than those on Mossy Liqueur. His >words were something to the effect of "you'll lick the candy off of the >Mossy Liquor tracks more quickly." do you remember which interview/article he stated this? i looked through what i have archived (not on the web yet, alas) and the only thing i could find which was similar to this sentiment was this paragraph in an article from acoustic guitar: Hitchcock has always been at odds with modern record production. On Moss Elixir, he set out to rid the tracks of any kind of dense studio sheen and only add what he felt was necessary. "I think production should be the means of communication between the artist and the listener," he said, "It should enable the listener to grasp the music rather than coating the record with some sugary patina that you would want to lie back on the ground and lick off. I was very happy that Warner didn't push for a single that had a sound that would get on the radio." >Hell, he released a whole album full >of demo tracks (Groovy Decoy) because he disliked the "official" release. not quite -- half of the tracks on decoy are the same as those on decay. >However, from things he's said about Moss Elixir, it seems he had almost >total control over the creation and studio production (much like "I Often >Dream of Trains") and was very happy with the album. does anyone else find it odd that in the articles and reviews of _moss elixir_ robyn always seems to point out that he was trying to get away from studio production? yet, the album isn't that unproduced. maybe not in the "traditional" sense of the word (i.e., _perspex island_), but i think it's far from stripped down. woj n.p. pylon -- chain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:05:15 -0700 From: "Socialism Blows" Subject: Browning Hey All, This is my first time to send anything to this list, and it contains very little, if any RH content, but I saw a bit of misinformation being passed through and thought I would clear a few things up. John M. Browning (1855-1926 ) was born in Ogden Utah. One of twenty-two children, the parents were mormon and moved to Utah after being driven out of Nauvoo,Illinois because of their religious beliefs. His father was a gunsmith and from him John learned the trade. Many arms companies used Browning designs including Stevens,Remington, Colt, and Belgium's Fabrique Nationale. He created the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) the Colt Government model 1911 .45 caliber automatic pistol, and several other machine guns made by Colt. He was the first maker to develop the use of gas in the operation of machine guns and sporting arms. The Browning autoloading shotgun was first patented in 1900 and is still in production. Many of his other designs are still in production and were and still are popular in Europe, used by Germans, French, Brits, etc.... - --- Scod subversive specialist system analyst ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:50:16 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Halloween fun first I apologize for the lateness of this post. But, if time is indeed "round, and space is curved", as Robyn so says, then perhaps it is Halloween somewhere (maybe in your minds) and I shant be chastized for my belatedness. All I have for you is a quote I found today as I was sorting files and such: from Rolling Stone, April 15th, 1993: "Robyn's fiancee, Cynthia Hunt, recalls a tour of New England during which Hitchcock became captivated by the sight of pumpkins glowing in the autumn fields. He'd fill the car's trunk with the luminous orange globes, hauling them to gigs and carving them into jack-o-lanterns backstage while pondering the setlist." ps. this quote about pumpkins (also detailed in a 1993 modern rock live audio segment) was my motivation for the "Uncarved Pumpkins" title for the tape of audio rarities I made at the time. Bye, friends. John - -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:lobstie@e-z.net web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Force is the weapon of the weak." -Ammon Hennessey \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:27:50 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: safe & warm in LA >On 11/5/97 3:23 PM, Carole Reichstein wrote: > >>I figure the Bay area fegbunch are going, but is anyone making a special >>trek? >I checked the BART schedule, turns out the trains only go as far south as >Fremont that day. This has been a pretty funny thread. I've gotten some good chuckles out of it. My reason for posting to it is to ask you Bayfegs if a) there is anything great going on in the Bay Area the weekend of the 22nd-23rd. and b) if any of you would like to get together. I'll be in town (Novato) with my daughter to visit my folks from Wed the 19th until Sunday the 23rd. I wish I could go see Dan Bern with y'all, but I'm missing it by a week. Hmmmmm. Actually my parents will probably insist on monopolizing all my time, but at least you know that I'm thinking about you....... Who knows? Maybe they will just latch onto their granddaughter, leaving me to roam the town in search of "Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes". Is Stereolab playing in the Bay area that week? I'll miss their portland appearance due to my trip. Shame, that. alright, yeah-- John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:08:34 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #55 >"It rained like a slow divorce" ...for some inexplicable reason this one >knocks me out. > >Can someone remind me what song/cd it's from. > >Thanks, Jeannine "...and I wish I could ride a horse / And Balloon Man blew up in my hands." - --- C. Aaron Lowe c.aaron.lowe@technologist.com http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4900/ - --- In the land of the witless, the halfwit is king. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:07:06 +0000 From: "Tery DiSandro" Subject: For Sale I have a few items I'd like to offer for sale: * Spectre - 1993 A&M Music & Interview CD * Rhino Sampler - 1995 Rhino Compilation CD * Live Death - 1994 A&M Live CD Looking for best offer on all of the above items. US$ Only Please. Thanks! - - Tery ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:32:41 -0800 From: John Chandler Subject: Re: And In The Element Of Style On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, M R Godwin wrote: >As for lack of grammar in Liverpool, how about: > "But if this ever-changing world in which we live in makes you break > down and cry" (Sir Paul McCartney, 'Live and Let Die') > > Not only does he end a phrase with a preposition, the preposition is > also pleonastic because he has already used it once. You could also > argue that 'in which we live' is redundant, because "this world" > clearly implies "the world in which we live". But 'in which we live > in' just fits the tune nicely, and Macca has always preferred tunes > to sense... I used to be bugged by the ungrammatic sound too, but I listened more closely, and if I recall correctly, the line actually says, "world in which we're livin'". The "r" in "we're" is just not very prominent. I don't think the line contains "break down" -- the sound of "break down" doesn't have enough McCartney sweetness to work right in this line. I think it was "give in," or "give up." As for sense, I think that nonsense is fine, but when the lyric overall sounds as if it is intended to make sense, a blatant error in grammar makes *itself* an issue, like your pen blobbing all over your calligraphically rendered poetry. Does anyone actually have the recording? I sold it years ago. - -jmc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:54:41 -0800 From: John Chandler Subject: calls on a nubis What *is* that supposed to mean? Tethered by the headphones, calling on Anubis? 'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy? Alex the Seal? And, does anyone have a clue what Linctus House is supposed to represent? It certainly is positioned in the song as a Big Heavy Metaphor for something. And I think 'linctus' is some sort of Latinism for licking. The rest of the words are very straightforward, so I think it's no fair saying, "oh, you verbal-obsessive cretin, you're fondling the fish's gills too much." Clue me, please. - -jmc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: unproduction [was: seeding and history] > does anyone else find it odd that in the articles and reviews of _moss > elixir_ robyn always seems to point out that he was trying to get away from > studio production? yet, the album isn't that unproduced. maybe not in the > "traditional" sense of the word (i.e., _perspex island_), but i think it's > far from stripped down. agreed. i don't think he succeeded in getting away from it. remember that he originally wanted _respect_ to be the three of them singing into a bowl of fruit. i would be inclined to say i think _me_ should have been much less produced, but that's just what i like and i don't know if it would work with that set of songs. interesting though that many consider the other two dark green albums to be his masterpieces, and they are also his most unproduced. they tend to get the most consistently high marks from critics and fans, it seems. i'll note also that _underwater moonlight_ IS produced and a masterpiece (though the comment was made here recently that it's too "smooth".) yes i know _y&o_ is unproduced too but that doesn't count, it's odds and sods. =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:45:18 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: fegdotMANIA! you know you're getting old when: you walk by a table of people you think are a generation older than you, and overhear one of them saying, "Deuce is a good song...and Strutter," and you're thinking, "hey, wait a second! *i* used to listen to those songs when i was growing up." the honorable jay hedblade, making his third post of the new year, was gloating that the chicago fegs were catching up to the frisco fegs in total membership. don't look now, but *we've* got debbie, cindy, jeannine, jeff, elizabeth and myself. and, if sydney, anton, mark, and .chris count as bay area fegs, then the cascadia section also gets to include: danny, renee, and mooch to the north, as well as carole, karen, john, and jeme to the south. (hey, that's a pretty cool sounding road movie, right there: The Monkey, The Lobsterman & The Twins. let's see...burt reynolds as jeme, john turturro as jonesie (turturro ought to be in *every* movie,) and...hmm, the only acting sisters i can think of right now are the arquettes. with a cameo by robyn as the mad scientist, natch.) well, i guess that all presumes that they wouldn't mind be lumped in with us ruffians. i've been giving it a long, hard look, cynthia. i just can't do it on a saturday, finally. meantime, first one finds out when he's gonna be at the Two Bells, let the rest know, huh? what we maybe need is some kind of private fegphone system, a la commisioner gordon. no! what we need is a damned THOTH light to shine in the sky whenever it's learned that robyn is going to be at the Two Bells. now *that* would be the tops! my second fave movie of '97 (after The Big Lebowski, of course,) Schizopolis, is being released onto video tuesday. you've all got your assignments. it's a GREAT movie. promise! thanks for the tip re clinton's inauguration, woj. you never know what those crazy european fegs are gonna succeed at convincing you of. i'm not so nauseated anymore, though i definitely did hear him say he hoped clinton would get reelected. Fuck You! I won't do what you tell me! (repeat fourteen times) --Rage Against the Machine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: Carl Abraham Zimring Subject: Storefront news From today's Addicted to Noise.... Finally, the Robyn Hitchcock documentary, Storefront Hitchcock, will be released theatrically in March of 1998. The 90-minute film, shot by acclaimed director Jonathan Demme (Silence of the Lambs, Stop Making Sense) was shot on Dec. 10-11 of last year in a New York storefront that used to house an unemployment office. The 15-song soundtrack will be released on Feb. 28. Carl Fear & Whiskey countrypunkROKnewwavenoisejazzpyschedelicpopbluesfolkcelticsoulandmore Mondays 7-10pm EDT In Pittsburgh: WRCT 88.3fm In the rest of the known universe: http://www.wrct.org Playlists: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~cz28/fear.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #60 .chris wrote: . She has mentioned a new single > out in a week or two, and up coming show in England, most with Bobby > his bad self. But, any news on the membership itself?? I know nothing about the Homerama membership rites, but what do *you* know about upcoming Robyn/Homer gigs? Is Tim Keegan going to play with Robyn at any of the early December shows next month? Hmmm, it's high time I went abroad anyway. That's excuse enough! - --Carole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: politrix On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Capitalism Blows wrote: > i'm not so nauseated anymore, though i definitely did hear him say he hoped clinton would get reelected. A man of principles such as yourself will surely be unmoved by the "lesser of two weevils" argument, but I got the impression that was how he felt. I'm sure RH has described himself as a socialist before, but that may have been from touring with BB. just trying to ease your stomach. btw, we (at least cynthia and capuchin) tried to call you from the 2 bells. lobstie had already headed for home i think. we tried to call everybody we thought could be around. =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 18:26:42 -0500 From: "Jonathan B. Pont" Subject: [none] Robyn said: "I was very happy that Warner didn't push for a single that had a sound that would get on the radio." Yet they had "Alright, Yeah" and should have pushed that in the adult contemporary market. It may not have become a hit had it been played, but can you imagine not being impressed by it? Am I mistaken and Warner did in fact push this? - jp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Seeding, History On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, biscotti and borscht wrote: > also sprach Stephen Buckalew: > > >Actually, in an interview I read after ME/ML were released, Robyn said that > >he liked the tracks on Moss Elixir better than those on Mossy Liqueur. His > >words were something to the effect of "you'll lick the candy off of the > >Mossy Liquor tracks more quickly." > > do you remember which interview/article he stated this? i looked through > what i have archived (not on the web yet, alas) Actually, you do have this one in the links section. It's at http://www.gridmagazine.com/html/robyn_hitchcock.html and the quote (if this is the Stephen has in mind) is The ones I put on Mossy Liquor, they're all rejects. They're all ones I thought weren't as strong, songs that people would get sick of quicker. What's interesting is that the hardcore fans, people like Rolling Stone, all actually think that Mossy Liquor is better. I swear that those songs, you lick the sugar off them much quicker and you won't want them anymore. - -- #! /usr/local/bin/perl $_ = q;cuphycshopfTcLdrO;; y;chop; ota;; print chop; @ARGV = split q;;; while (@ARGV) { print splice (@ARGV, 1, 1), pop, shift; @ARGV = reverse @ARGV; }; print $/; ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Children's Television Worship" Subject: The spatial and temporal aspects of Fegs On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Capitalism Blows wrote: ... > don't look now, but *we've* got debbie, cindy, jeannine, jeff, elizabeth > and myself. > and, if sydney, anton, mark, and .chris count as bay area fegs, then the > cascadia section also gets to include: danny, renee, and mooch to the > north, as well as carole, karen, john, and jeme to the south. Of course, Mr. Tews forgets his historical geography here. Sacramento, Reno and points between should be considered a portion of the imperial grasp of the financial, commercial, and transportation nexus that is San Francisco. Pick any time between now and 1850--it works, I think. Both places are firmly within the provincial grasp of San Francisco--thus, Bay Area Fegs they are. Claiming dominion over Portland Fegs smacks of broad brush painting a regional "Pollack," as it were. There was a time when the Willamette Valley was a center of settlement, rivaled only by Spokane and well before Seattle was more than a place for dingy miners from the Fraser and Alaska/Yukon gold fields to arrive and depart. Only in a very recent sense can Seattle claim dominion over Portland (and even Spokane for that matter). Even then your average Portlander would protest, claiming a uniqueness all its own. Of course this "uniqueness" is just Portland living out its isolationist fantasy of some urban utopian ideal. An idea that further disintegrates any notion of a Willamette-Puget Lowlands Feg complex, and creates distinction of the separateness of Fegs centered on the Columbia River. Besides, even when I leave this rat-hole and close the boundaries of the Bay Area region, the Bay area will be a central place in Fegdom with a significant populace. In fact, bay area seems to attract as many Fegs as it has (O.K. I exaggerate, but close :) Of course, the original message was contesting the notion of Chicago as second best. yet, it imports Fegs as well. But, this is a rough go at it because the whole Bumbershoot imported to a heavy degree, perhaps beyond compare. So, "where" does that leave us? Over to you, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:40:27 -0800 From: "vaska" Subject: god forbid he'd sell this stuff hi fegs...my first post since the reincarnation (post thunder slam) fegmaniax? a good friend of mine has ALL the original soft boys albums and ep's (purchased in good ole' chicago way back when). is this stuff in demand at all? he's getting old and crunchy and irritable and thinks that he'd be content to sell this stuff. i know of the borg and their collective - does fegmaniax have a repository of information regarding the going rates for items such as these? do we have any offers? should i get the detailed list and post? unfortunately, i've got all of this stuff taped (shhh) and i have a policy against buying anything that has actual english verbiage (except beck of course - and the english verbiage on his records could possibly be debated i bet). are we all of one mind or not? ciao...jv - ----------------------------------------------------------------- vaska & co. design - "cultured by design" www.cultureddesign.com seattle, washington - usa ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #61 ******************************