From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #35 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 14 1997 Volume 06 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- John Denver/RH overlap [Eb ] Re: John Denver/RH overlap [Capuchin ] Fade to white [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) [Peter Gordon ] Re: ultra klene (not to be confused with superkeen) [Russ Reynolds ] Re: John Denver/RH overlap [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Two Dollars!)] Re: John Denver/RH overlap [Tom Clark ] Denver connections [Eb ] Re: John Denver/RH overlap [Terrence M Marks ] the last I'm gonna say about it [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James] Re: John Denver/RH overlap [Eb ] Rocky Mountain High ["Donkey Hodie" ] All roads lead to Denver ["Donkey Hodie" ] Conan O'B show live CD ["Children's Television Worship" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:29:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: John Denver/RH overlap Here's a post I found in the John Denver newsgroup: Sigh. . . ! Can the Ugly shirt from Houston be any worse than the ugly shirt in Baltimore ? Was this garment a send-up of the Maryland state flag, or is it my imagination? Yellow and black checks with blue and pink flashes . . . Hey, JD, I love you dearly, but some of us had just eaten at the reception before the show. Anyway. . . the show as great. One of the best in a long time, because he was very,very happy and appeared rested. But the shirts, John, we have got to work on the shirts ! I honestly think he does it because he takes great delight in seeing the reaction. Are there really a pair of GREEN snakeskin boots? I was too dazzled by the loud shirt to notice ! Kate - --- So I guess JD and RH have more in common than just folk influences. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Eb wrote: > Here's a post I found in the John Denver newsgroup: Were you just coincidentally in the JD newsgroup or was this accident related? J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:42:11 -0500 (CDT) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Fade to white >Frances McDormand says that a Coen Brothers film means >"that you'll never be bored. Ever." I thought that was "that you'll never be out of work. Ever again." ;) ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications 3052 S. Buchanan St., #A1 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com http://www.prodigaldog.com "We were the funkiest in 1980." -- Lyn McCleary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:12:01 -0800 From: Peter Gordon Subject: Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) Sorry about this. My final word on the subject, promise: From the BBC (no less) profile on Charlie Higson: Charles Higson has had a long and varied career in the fields of music,acting, producing and writing. He studied English and American Literature and Film Studies at the University of East Anglia, where he formed the indie band, The Higsons for which he was lead singer. For six years, they toured extensively around Europe and America, recording two albums and a number of singles and gaining a cult following. He finally quit when he consideredthat he was getting too old to keep it up with any dignity and worked for some time as a decorator before drifting into the world of television. (me again) So he was Switch. He now works on The Fast Show, Harry Enfield, Shooting Stars and The Smell Of Reeves And Mortimer. He's also written 3 books, two of which are called The King Of The Ants and Full Whack and I can't remember the other one. - -- Instant Ubik has all the fresh flavour of just-brewed drip coffee. Your husband will say, Christ Sally, I used to think your coffee was only so-so. But now, WOW! Safe when used as directed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:56:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: ultra klene (not to be confused with superkeen) ======== Original Message ======== also sprach Eddie Tews: >a posh london suburb called frognal: y'know...what we need poor americans *really* need, even more than a list of men's names in robyn's songs, is an gazeteer of all the place names that robyn mentions in his songs: swindon, east grinstead, romsey, etc. the multitude of english geopolitical divisions frazzle me almost, but not quite, as much as the multitude of dialects! +w ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== another type of fegmap! as a Californian I have to remind you of Sacramento being mentioned in "driving aloud"... - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:01:02 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Maverick) Subject: Denver It's ironic that some of you were mentioning John Denver today, since he died within the past 24hrs due to a plane wreck in California. Police said that his body was so badly mangled in the wreckage that fell into the ocean that he had to be identified through his fingerprints. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap >On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Eb wrote: >> Here's a post I found in the John Denver newsgroup: > >Were you just coincidentally in the JD newsgroup or was this accident >related? >J. I was there, morbidly looking for accident reactions. Those 40something housewives didn't disappoint me. ;) One person proclaimed that "today is the day music died." Oh well, let's keep this list running anyway...maybe we can just discuss seafood or something instead. Actually, the most amusing discovery was that apparently the woman who runs the Denver website/mailing list had already been contacted by the Los Angeles Times and Associated Press. What's more, someone from Good Morning, America actually posted in the newsgroup, looking to contact her! I hope she has a nice selection of soundbites ready.... Oh, and JD and RH have also both performed Beatles songs...in fact, JD has several Beatles songs on his early albums. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:11:40 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Two Dollars!) Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap Eb wrote: >Actually, the most amusing discovery was that apparently the woman who runs >the Denver website/mailing list had already been contacted by the Los >Angeles Times and Associated Press. What's more, someone from Good Morning, >America actually posted in the newsgroup, looking to contact her! I hope >she has a nice selection of soundbites ready.... That is fascinating. I wonder if we're seeing what could possibly be an upsurge of interest in John Denver and his music and a growing fan-base? >Oh, and JD and RH have also both performed Beatles songs...in fact, JD has >several Beatles songs on his early albums. Has John and Robyn ever met? Brett P.S. - Does anyone else here like The Ocean Blue? Their song, "Bye," sounds very Robynesque. ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/BC_Radio_Online.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 14:42:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap On 10/13/97 3:11 PM, Two Dollars! wrote: >>Oh, and JD and RH have also both performed Beatles songs...in fact, JD has >>several Beatles songs on his early albums. > >Has John and Robyn ever met? Or, to revive an old thread: Can anyone provide a six-person-or-less link between the two? I don't know of anyone whose recorded with JD.... - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water." - W.C. Fields ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:35:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Denver connections Well, Denver and Roger McGuinn sang together in the Mitchell Trio...so there must be multiple routes to Hitchcock from there.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap > Or, to revive an old thread: Can anyone provide a six-person-or-less > link between the two? I don't know of anyone whose recorded with JD.... > John Denver-Jim Henson (Denver performed songs on The Muppet Show when he guested) Jim Henson-David Bowie ("Labyrinth") David Bowie-Matt Seligman (Matt toured w/ Bowie) Matt Seligman-Robyn Hitchcock (The Soft Boys) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:24:46 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: the last I'm gonna say about it >james indignantly... humph >...pointed out: >The "pretentiousness", which Sartwell >seems to think diminishes the worth of rock songs, is an integral part of >what much rock music is all about, and (IMHO) should be factored in as a >positive feature, up to a certain limit. Only once that limit is superceded >should it be regarded in a negative context. >>Sartwell described "pretentiousness" as a ratio of artistic ambition to >>artistic accomplishment. Is _that_ notion of pretentiousness something >>you regard as positive? Are you saying that if a rock band thinks they're >>much better than they are, this is a good feature, "up to a certain >>limit"?<< >>Don't get me wrong, a healthy dose of arrogance has served many bands >>quite well. And I would say that Sartwell is unreasonable to penalize a >>band or artist for just having an ego, as this formula says (is a 8:8 >>band really any less worthwhile than a 1:8 band?) Certainly you'll get a >>different style for the ego-ridden band (maybe a bit more produced, >>dealing with more beefy subject matter) but if the music's solid enough >>to back up their ego, what's the problem? to quote an old American Indian saying "it is better to shoot at the moon and hit an eagle than shoot at an eagle and hit a rock." You gotta aim high, and a lot of bands manage this by aiming as high as possible. U2 are an example. They rarely live up to their pretentiousness, but if they hadn't aimed that high they probably wouldn't have produced the fine music they have produced over the years. I wouldn't want to downgrade a band for its pretentiousness - your namesake's band Talking Heads is another that produced good music while being pretty damn pretentious. Brian Eno - himself frequently marked down as pretentious - has recently tried to 'reclaim' the word pretentious. This from his diary "A year with swollen appendices": "In the arts, the word pretentious has a special meaning: the attempt at something that the critic thinks you have no right to even try[...] I'm happy to have made claims on things that I didn't have any 'right' to,a nd I'm happy to have tried being someone else to see what it felt like.[...] The common assumption is that there are 'real' people and there are others who are pretending to be something they're not. There is also an assumption that there's something morally wrong in pretending. My assumptions about culture as a place where you can take psychological risks without incurring physical penalties makes me think that pretending is the most important thing we do. It's the way we make our thought experiments, fin out what it would be like to be otherwise.[...] Pretending is what kids do all the time. It's how they learn. What makes anyone think you should sometime give it up?" Ah, I dunno. This is all getting way too deep and fizzyolophical. Oh, that's right - Terry added: >The value of a song can be determined by how much it rips off of NZ pop, >though... now THAT is a theory I could live with! :) James ("that Lou Reed bloke - still trying to sound like Peter Gutteridge..."*) >>NP: Shriekback "Care" (relentlessly pretentious band, but I don't care) good band, good album! *yes, Eb, I know - he sounds nothing like Pete! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:13:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: John Denver/RH overlap >> Or, to revive an old thread: Can anyone provide a six-person-or-less >> link between the two? I don't know of anyone whose recorded with JD.... >> > >John Denver-Jim Henson (Denver performed songs on The Muppet Show when he > guested) >Jim Henson-David Bowie ("Labyrinth") >David Bowie-Matt Seligman (Matt toured w/ Bowie) >Matt Seligman-Robyn Hitchcock (The Soft Boys) Not bad, not bad. :) I believe that there's also a Denver/Muppets Xmas album, so the Henson link is even stronger than you describe above. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:57:45 -0700 From: "Donkey Hodie" Subject: Rocky Mountain High Brett Maverick dixit: > It's ironic that some of you were mentioning John Denver today, > since he died within the past 24hrs due to a plane wreck in > California. I suppose it's even more ironic that he once wrote "Leavin' On A Jet Plane", eh? I wonder if Mr. Denver bequeathed his shirts to Robyn? Tastelessly yours, - --g "Everything we do is music." --John Cage ___________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:57:45 -0700 From: "Donkey Hodie" Subject: All roads lead to Denver Tom Clark dixit: > Or, to revive an old thread: Can anyone provide a > six-person-or-less link between the two? I don't know of anyone > whose recorded with JD.... John Denver recorded with the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band on _Will The Circle Be Unbroken II_. I know that NGDB have recorded and performed (seperately and as a group) with artists such as Chet Atkins, Jackson Browne, Johnny Cash, Levon Helm (of the Band), Bela Fleck, Bruce Hornsby, Bernie Leadon (of the Eagles), Chris Hillman and Roger McGuinn (of the Byrds), Bruce Springsteen, Leon Russell, Linda Rondstadt, and Emmylou Harris. They also appeared on Saturday Night Live backing up Randy Newman during his performance of "Short People" and were billed as the Toot Uncommons (say aloud quickly) on Steve Martin's "King Tut". Former members include Chris Darrow of Kaleidoscope, and members of the Loggins/Messina Band. Maybe someone can find connections using some of these folks. You fill up my census, - --g "Everything we do is music." --John Cage ___________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Children's Television Worship" Subject: Conan O'B show live CD Hey-- I have heard rumor of a Conan O'Brian [sp?] Show cd. It is claimed to feature the best of live performances on the show. I do not know if Bobby is on it. If any of you live in a town that has a record shop this might be worth investigating. That is not to say it is, but if you had the inclination and the interest it might. Although, even if Robyn was on it it could not be anywheres near as great as the chart-topping "Glass Flesh." A must have, mind you. over, .chris ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #35 ******************************