From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #32 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 06 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: blues guitar [M R Godwin ] Re: I think, therefore I drink (fwd) [M R Godwin ] oh, and... ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Country boy..... [Stephen Buckalew ] feed the fish [Russ Reynolds ] Re: blues guitar [dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson)] Re: Country boy..... [M R Godwin ] Re: Country boy..... [Stephen Buckalew ] Thanks for the King Crimson advice! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: feed the fish [Tom Clark ] Re: feed the fish [Russ Reynolds ] "Feed the fish" [DWPoppe@aol.com] Re: feed the fish ["Donkey Hodie" ] Mood Music ["Donkey Hodie" ] Re: Tragically Hip [dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders)] Re: feed the fish [hal brandt ] Unreleased/covers [Ferris ] Re: Robyn mentioned in Bjork review??? [TchdnJesus@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:42:48 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: blues guitar On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Gregory Watson wrote: > Maybe Robyn's playing isn't extremely blueslike, but he definitely > has some blues influences. I found almost a dozen blues-based Soft Boys > songs, there are probably more: [convincing list snipped] Thanks for pointing this out. However, the Soft Boys era is a long time ago now, and I think RH's playing has got consistently less bluesy and more jangly-folky in the 80s and 90s ('Elizabeth Jade' is a rock'n'roll song, though). > As far as rock and roll > being blues before country.... I'd have to disagree on that, too. > Rockabilly music was an equal mix of both - hell, there was probably even > some jazz thrown in there, as well! Yes, but rockabilly is by definition (rock + hillbilly) more country than straight rock'n'roll is. There is a nice Chet Atkins and Les Paul record ('Chester and Lester') which has some jazz on it, but I think that on the whole there is very little jazz in early rock. Interestingly, the Rolling Stones were very definitely _anti-rock'n'roll_ when they were formed as a purist blues band, but between 62 and 69 they somehow mutated into 'the greatest rock'n'roll band in the world'. Cheers - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:50:28 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: I think, therefore I drink (fwd) In the same vein (50% blood, 50% alcohol): "If I had all the money I'd spent on drink, I'd spend it on drink" (Vivian Stanshall, Sir Henry at Rawlinson's End) - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:17:41 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: oh, and... =b asked: >the reader is forced to figure it out for fegself. hey, this has been >buggin me-- where is the "feed the fish" version of underwater moonlight >from? {originally... gig and/or rekkid} it's in the live version on 'lope at the hive' or 'hive at the lope' (I always get those confused). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:16:37 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Country boy..... On the subject of country/blues and rock: > I agree that Blues is one of the foundations for Rock and Roll. But > so is Country music, if you want to get technical. >>Yes but the blues comes first: 'Shake Rattle and Roll' (Bill Haley) and >>'That's Alright Now Mama'(Presley) are old blues songs played by white >>country musicians, If you want to get technical, I would not consider these musicians (Bill Haley, Elvis Presley) to be real country musicians. While I'm no fanatical country music fan by any stretch of the imagination, I live in an area where there are alot of country music groups....I'm not talking Garth Brooks or Willie Nelson here...I'm talking REAL country music, i.e., Bluegrass music (mandolins, banjos, fiddles). While the banjo was originally an African instrument (I think), Bluegrass is not really blues based. Its origins are in Celtic/folk music. A good example would be the Carter Family (Gospel Ship, etc). Music is a mutt, its gene pool is such a diverse mix. I'm sure that the evolution of blues had a variety of influences to become what is considered "blues". The blues didn't just pop out of nowhere as a "pure" musical form. <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:02:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: feed the fish Bayard akses: >hey, this has been >buggin me-- where is the "feed the fish" version of underwater moonlight >from? {originally... gig and/or rekkid} If I'm not mistaken it's from the live version on "Two Halves", which may or may not also be on the 1976-1981 compilation. He also chants "feed the fish" on the UM album, but it's pretty well burried and you don't get that neat story. here's one that's buggin ME...where do we find the version of KoL with the background chant "Howie doesn't care he's in the Kingdom of Love"? I don't know for sure that the name is Howie but whatever it is, anyone know if it's the name of an actual someone? add that to your database, Bayard. - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: blues guitar Mike Godwin wrote: >Thanks for pointing this out. However, the Soft Boys era is a long time >ago now, and I think RH's playing has got consistently less bluesy and >more jangly-folky in the 80s and 90s ('Elizabeth Jade' is a rock'n'roll >song, though). > Thanks for pointing THAT out; I tend to live in the past a lot of the time, though sometimes I wake up and it's the present, or if I'm lucky, the future! Robyn does seem to adopt a bluesier style when he does the latter part of his set, switching his acoustic guitar with his trusty Telecaster. At least more rock'n'roll, anyway. Greg - -- ******** Gregory Watson ******** "I woke up, and my room was all weird; *** dy288@freenet.carleton.ca ** It was everything that I had feared - * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * I had suddenly grown a beard, of bees." ******************************** - "I Woke Up" (The OAM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:05:25 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Country boy..... On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Stephen Buckalew wrote: > On the subject of country/blues and rock: > If you want to get technical, I would not consider these musicians (Bill > Haley, Elvis Presley) to be real country musicians. They were open to other influences (which is why they got into rock'n'roll) but I'm pretty sure they started off in country music. The Comets sound well into Western Swing to my ear. > While I'm no fanatical > country music fan by any stretch of the imagination, I live in an area > where there are alot of country music groups....I'm not talking Garth > Brooks or Willie Nelson here...I'm talking REAL country music, i.e., > Bluegrass music (mandolins, banjos, fiddles). NYC, is that? :> > While the banjo was > originally an African instrument (I think), Bluegrass is not really blues > based. Its origins are in Celtic/folk music. Agreed. There was an excellent TV show on here a year or two ago where they got a bunch of Celtic and American folk and country musicians together in a big house in Scotland and just rolled the cameras. Aly Bain was the main man, but guests included Emmylou Harris, John Martyn, Dick Gaughan and the McGarrigles. Really good mixture of styles and performances, and no sign of the blues! - - Mike Godwin "Seems to be all alone in tin and lead, palely pale" - Syd Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:03:34 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Re: Country boy..... Yeah, I gotcha...I wasn't thinking about Western Swing, like Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys(?)....In the USA these days, most of what passes as country music is very slick, rock/pop influenced, highly produced "stuff" (crud, IMHO). Give me Lester Flatts and Earl Scruggs or Hank Williams (senior) any day. >>NYC, is that? :> Yikes....concrete forests and rivers of automobiles! Nah, more like the Seven Mountains region of Central Pennsylvania. Ever see "The Deer Hunter"? Remember....those bears are more scared of us than we are of them. (And with good reason!) I think I could get away with playing "Sleeping Knights of Jesus" around here without attracting too much attention. ;) <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:33:12 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Thanks for the King Crimson advice! I'd like to thank the following people who sent me info/advice/rants after I asked for a King Crimson primer: Lee Gray, Ross Overbury, James Dignan, John McIntyre, Mike Godwin, Eb, Noah Shalev, David Furst, Steve Schiavo, and Scary Mary. Forgive me if I missed you -- I got quite a lot of email. The general consensus is that Discipline is the one to start with, and so I will. And boy, you people sure are vocal. Must be some sort of cult or something ;-). BTW, anybody got that new Eric Matthews? How's it compare to his first one? Obligatory Robyn info: I snagged a copy of the "Brenda Of The Lightbulb Eyes" video for $5 a coupla weekends ago. Woop! +++++++++++++++++ "I was cured alright." + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + -- Alex the Droog +++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:29:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Thanks for the King Crimson advice! >BTW, anybody got that new Eric Matthews? How's it compare to his first one? Probably my favorite record this year, or least in the top 3 (though this has been a very weak year, for me). It's not quite as good as the first one though, for whatever reason. The new one is a bit less baroque and solemn, a bit warmer and poppier. Otherwise, pretty similar. I find his melodic style absolutely fascinating. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 12:57:46 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: feed the fish On 10/10/97 9:02 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: >here's one that's buggin ME...where do we find the version of KoL with the >background chant "Howie doesn't care he's in the Kingdom of Love"? I don't >know for sure that the name is Howie but whatever it is, anyone know if it's >the name of an actual someone? add that to your database, Bayard. It's on the Soft Boys 76-81 CD. Originally unreleased, I believe. From what I hear, the line goes "Harold isn't here, he's in the Kingdom of Love." I've been knowm to be wrong about these things... Wow! Tom posts a message with 99% Robyn content! Things are looking up! - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Beer is the only virtual reality I need." -Leroy Lockhorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 13:23:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: feed the fish ======== Original Message ======== On 10/10/97 9:02 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: >here's one that's buggin ME...where do we find the version of KoL with the >background chant "Howie doesn't care he's in the Kingdom of Love"? I don't >know for sure that the name is Howie but whatever it is, anyone know if it's >the name of an actual someone? add that to your database, Bayard. It's on the Soft Boys 76-81 CD. Originally unreleased, I believe. From what I hear, the line goes "Harold isn't here, he's in the Kingdom of Love." I've been knowm to be wrong about these things... Wow! Tom posts a message with 99% Robyn content! Things are looking up! - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Beer is the only virtual reality I need." -Leroy Lockhorn ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== yeah, HAROLD--that's it. Who the hell is Harold? - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: DWPoppe@aol.com Subject: "Feed the fish" Howdy, y'all- Bayard asks: >hey, this has been buggin me-- where is the "feed the fish" version of underwater moonlight from? {originally... gig and/or rekkid} Why, its from the glorious "Lope At the Hive" side of the "Two Halves For the Price Of One" LP. Don't know the date of this Hope & Anchor gig, though. Does anyone out there know? Regards- Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:06:47 -0700 From: "Donkey Hodie" Subject: Re: feed the fish Russ Reynolds dixit: > yeah, HAROLD--that's it. Who the hell is Harold? > -russ Maybe it's Harold WATSON... Cheers, - --g "Everything we do is music." --John Cage ___________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:17:15 -0700 From: "Donkey Hodie" Subject: Mood Music fegs, I came across an interesting book called _The Mozart Effect_. The book (or rather the book's author, Don Campbell) suggests that certain music contains healing properties and that, in some instances, may be substituted for traditional medicine. Studies cited in the book show that students exposed to classical music -- especially the music of Mozart -- showed significantly higher instances of "higher-brain activities" and scored higher on SAT scores. Students with any experience in music and music performance exceeded national average SAT scores in both verbal and math. [There is some RH content coming up, so please, bear with me. Ed.] The book also recommends certain music which might be appropriate to play while participating in specific activities. Below are some examples (the music and artists are meant to serve as guidelines; any music along similar lines would work): *Commuting to work J.S. Bach (especially the Brandenberg Concertos) My favourite Brandenberg is #3 in G Major *Commuting home from work _Medicine Music_, Bobby McFerrin *Relaxing _Sun Singer_, Paul Winter *Studying, working Violin Concerti and String Quartets by Mozart *Energized _Flashdance_ soundtrack *Frustrated Rap *Romancing _Out Of Africa_ soundtrack *Brainstorming, coping John Coltrane, Wynton Marsalis (because jazz is the organization of chaos). Robyn content (finally..SHEESH!!!) When you are feeling a certain emotion, such as any or all of those listed above, which Robyn song(s) or album(s) do you reach for? Do you believe that music has healing properties? Which music, RH or otherwise, has gotten you through especially hard times? Personally, I relate a certain piece music to some important event that was occurring in my life when that music was playing. C'mon...we know about your drugs...we have NO secrets now :) Happy weekend, - --g "Everything we do is music." --John Cage ___________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:42:24 -0800 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Re: Tragically Hip > What do you-all think of The Tragically Hip? > (I've heard the song "Gift Shop". Really dig it. How doe sit compare to > the rest of their work, which CDs should I get, etc.) As one of the Token Canadians on the group, I'll field this one. The Hip (as we like to call them up here) are a very atmospheric band, comparable to R.E.M. or, possibly, Counting Crows (with less annoying vocals, harder rockage, and more complex lyrics). Their songs tend to be more concerned with creating a mood than delivering a straightforward message. I would highly recommend "Day for Night", which is a very dark album but extremely vivid. It's scary, but in a human sort of way (unlike, say, Ministry). The most powerful song is called "Nautical Disaster", about a dream of watery death off the coast of France - based on a real incident I believe. It's very haunting. Other songs strongly bring up a particular scene or character the same way a burp brings up the memory of a long eaten meal (I've always wanted to say that). "Trouble at the Henhouse" is almost as good, and it's the one with "Gift Shop". The earlier albums suffer from lyrics which are sometimes totally impenetrable, and not as interesting music, although "Fully Completely" isn't bad. But buy "Day for Night". Along with IODOT, it's one of the few albums that send a shiver up my spine. - -- Daniel Saunders Have a day. :-| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:35:29 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: feed the fish Russ Reynolds wrote: > yeah, HAROLD--that's it. Who the hell is Harold? I'm a HAROLD (but you can call me hal). /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:08:42 -0700 From: Ferris Subject: Unreleased/covers Hey, all... Just wondering...all the talk about the unreleased tape (sure, sign me up if there's a list)--but has anybody done a "Robyn Covers..." tape? I've recently gotten a new (to me) car that has a tape player that works above a crawl and have been listening to all the live tapes I've got, and there's quite a few really good versions of other people's stuff out there. Coming to mind? Waterloo Sunset The Wind Cries Mary Some Kind of Love Caroline Says Strawberry Fields A Day In the Life Kung Fu Fighting Ghost in You Cold Turkey Arthur Lane (and all the other Syd covers) Odds & Ends (and " " Dylan covers) and a couple of Van Morrison covers I can't quite remember the names to... Those just come to mind off the top of my head. I'm sure there's some crazy ones out there. Maybe a copy of the hack-and-slash (and really off-base) improv of "Lineman For The County" from the Knitting Factory (no, no--Saturday's early show--the one I was at that I haven't got a copy of). Anybody out there interested in trades, let me know...I'm always lookin' (in particular, anybody have a copy of the Toad's Place, New Haven, CT Egyptian's show from 2/6/92?). ALSO: LASTLY...any of the UK listers (or anybody) know anything about the Brighton gig at the Concorde on December 1st? I'm going to be in London over Thanksgiving and was thinking of dragging my fiancee to her first (and, unbeknownst to her, far from last) Hitchcock show. I just wanted to know if I should have her try to get tickets, or if it's big enough a place to not bother. Meanwhile I'll spend my...ugh...hour-each-way commute "dipping my antennae" and grooving with the likes of RH and others. PAX! - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Subject: Re: Robyn mentioned in Bjork review??? stewart@ref.collins.co.uk writes: > >>>>> "Ben" == Ben writes: > Ben> By the way that new album "Homogenic" is pretty good. > Ben> Has anyone else checked it out? > It is truly excellent. Not over-produced, either. Neat. Odd cover, > though. defnitely a nice album, though the songs remind me somewhat of "Isobel" (which is my personal favorite bjork song anyways), though they are all distinctly themselves. that sleeve is just awful i think. not as bad as the picture on _post_ though. >>> Kembrew McLeod has this to say about our man: >>> professional acid casualties such as Robyn Hitchcock > I'd never consider Robyn to be an acid casualty. They tend to record a > couple of decreasingly rational albums, then vanish. RH has managed to > keep recording, and also claims (?memory?) not to have used acid too > often. plus, robyn is INCREASINGLY rational in his work. he's still a surrealist ultimately, but he's gone from "where are the prawns?" _to_ "arms of love," whereas a true acid casualty probably would've gone the other way. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #32 ******************************