From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #31 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 10 1997 Volume 06 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) [Peter Gordon ] Let there be more darkness [M R Godwin ] Re: The Blooze! (long rant, 0.001% RH) [M R Godwin ] Soft Boys anniversary... ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] more of this Sartwell crud (0% Robyn) ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: Sartwell's folly [Capuchin ] Liner notes to Acid Bird... [Stephen Buckalew ] fwd: Soft Boys anniversary... [Russ Reynolds ] Re: more of this Sartwell crud (0% Robyn) [Capuchin ] Re: The Blooze! (long rant, 0.001% RH) [dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Grego] Re: Sex, Drugs, and Rock-n-Roll [mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.)] Unreleased Songs [griffith ] Re: Unreleased Songs [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Unreleased Songs [dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson)] Re: more of this Sartwell crud (1% Robyn [wow! up to 1%]) [Mark_Gloster@3] Re: more Sartwell crud [Russ Reynolds ] I think, therefore I drink (fwd) [misplaced joan of arc ] Re: I think, therefore I drink (fwd) [Capuchin ] setlist: princess di memorial gig 31 aug 1997 [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:24:00 -0800 From: Peter Gordon Subject: Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) Nick Winkworth wrote: > Capuchin said: > > > The Higsons were five likely lads from Norwich (that's in Eastern > England for the geographically challenged, not too far from Cambridge) > - > who played the pub circuit in the early 80's. They never made the big > time. > > According to their 1981 single "I don't want to live with monkeys", > they > were: > > Bilko: Bass > Simon: Drums > Switch: Singing > Stuart: One guitar > Tez: Everything else > > Where are they now, eh? > > ~N This has been niggling me. As I posted earlier, I suspected that one of the Higsons was on the BBC TV sketch show "The Fast Show", which is brill. And he is; for those familiar with it, he's the paunchy one who plays characters like Colin Hunt and the country squire who fancies Ted the gardener. If you live in a country that doesn't show it, petition your government NOW. Confirmation from the Fast Show unofficial page: >Charlie Higson used to be in a halfway decent Norwich band called the Higsons (find >out more). Amazingly enough I went to university in Norwich, which just goes to >prove something or other. Andrew Conway writes that the Higsons used to be played >on John Peel's show, but he can only remember one single called "I don't wanna live >with monkeys." John Hawkes-Reed recalls a single called 'Conspiracy', which might >have been on WAAP Records of Norwich. Jacquie Wilson has the 12" of 'Music to >Watch Girls By', which could be worth a pretty penny in the year 3010. Are there any >others? > >Paul [Whirehouse, co-writer and bloke who says brilliant a lot] and Charlie formed a >punk band called Right Hand Lovers. It didn't really catch on. > >Charlie has written two novels. I haven't read them. I may be an anal retentive, but I get answers. Pete - -- Instant Ubik has all the fresh flavour of just-brewed drip coffee. Your husband will say, Christ Sally, I used to think your coffee was only so-so. But now, WOW! Safe when used as directed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:51:42 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Let there be more darkness > capuchin sez: > >Respect is an album that is best to listen to at home, alone, in the > >dark, on headphones, even though there's nobody around to disturb. On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, dee zed stroke zero one five wrote: > i'm testing the theory. will report on results after the data has been > gathered and analyzed. I can confirm that Respect sounds good alone in the dark. The last time I listened to it was driving back through dark empty roads from Lyminsgton to Bath after the '96 IoW Bus tour. It sounded fabulous and not a whit overproduced. - - hssmrg PS Mind you, I heard 'Total Eclipse of the Heart' on the radio the other day and thought it sounded underproduced... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:00:49 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: The Blooze! (long rant, 0.001% RH) On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Glen Uber wrote: > There is a real difference between blues and the music that the > Stones play, which I prefer to call "blooze" (rhymes with "booze"). [snip] > Some bands that play blooze include Bad Company, Humble Pie, the > Yardbirds, the Small Faces, The Steve Miller Band, The Black Crowes, > et. al. I know exactly what you mean, and it explains why I never liked Rory Gallagher, who was the main exponent of it for quite a while. I can't agree at all about the Small Faces ('The Universal'? 'Afterglow'? 'Tin Soldier'?) - I think perhaps you mean Rod Stewart and the Faces. And the Steve Miller Band always just sounded like average commercial pop to me. > I wonder what sort of disease was floating around the British Isles > around 1963 that gave so many white Englishmen the delusion that they > were elderly black men fro m the Mississippi Delta? I read an interesting biography of Alexis Korner recently. Basically the British blues boom started when Alexis, Chris Barber and Lonnie Donegan saw Big Bill Broonzy, Josh White and Muddy Waters on tour - blues artistes had never been seen before in the UK. Barber started including blues (or skiffle) numbers in trad jazz sets. Alexis then broke away to form a blues club and blues band and most of the people you mention came up through that club or its offshoots. I think the main reason it was so popular was that it wasn't trad jazz, which was omnipresent at the time (and still won't go away...) > I can't say that anyone (aside from maybe John Mayall and early > Fleetwood Mac succeeded. Agreed. But even they found out that copying old blues records was ultimately unsatisfying. That's when the dread 'progressive' music got started, fusing blues with jazz (Cream, Keef Hartley, Colosseum), psychedelics (Yardbirds, New Animals), and classical music (Nice, ELP). > Most only managed to > reinvent the form. All they did was electrify the blues and use > familiar progressions and licks. Can't agree. T-Bone Walker and Muddy Waters had already electrified the blues. Clapton played it differently, though. Not so much the licks, as the tone, volume and timing. People say 'Clapton copied Freddie King' (or Matt Murphy, or Albert King) but the thing he did which was different was to invent the modern overdrive lead guitar sound. The only other possible claimant I can think of is Mike Bloomfield. > I agree that Blues is one of the foundations for Rock and Roll. But > so is Country music, if you want to get technical. Yes but the blues comes first: 'Shake Rattle and Roll' (Bill Haley) and 'That's Alright Now Mama'(Presley) are old blues songs played by white country musicians, Robyn Hitchcock's electric guitar playing is noticeably unblueslike (and unbloozelike). He doesn't bend notes and he uses melodic scales which are seldom pentatonic blues scales. I would have thought that his main influences were Roger McGuinn (e.g. on 'Queen of Eyes') and Syd Barrett (e.g. on 'I'm only you'). Discography: 'Can blue men sing the whites?' - Bonzo Dog Band 'I've got those Fleetwod Mac Chicken Shack John Mayall can't fail blues' (?Adrian Henri and the Liverpool Scene?) 'Mean Blues' (Jeremy Spencer) - - paleo-Mike Godwin PS I've just joined a blues band and we are currently rehearsing 'Tell Me Mama'! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:55:36 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Soft Boys anniversary... Clint Golden asked: > According to the Fegmaniax chronology, this Friday marks the 20th > anniversary of the Soft Boys debut record release on Raw Records. > > Now how are YOU (you, a general broad pointing finger you) going to > celebrate? Well, I'm gonna play my autographed "Give It To The Soft Boys" 7-inch over and over. How's that grab ya? __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:52:43 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: more of this Sartwell crud (0% Robyn) One of my favorite reviewers, Glenn McDonald, discusses the Quantitative Aesthetics thing in this week's edition of The War Against Silence (http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0141.html). Key quote: "We already have a term for music that obeys the rules of the blues: "blues". " Anyway, I recommend reading The War Against Silence regularly anyway, but in light of the recent thread, I thought some of you might particularly enjoy it. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:07:10 -0500 (CDT) From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Stones "Study" What's HE been smoking? >However, I happen to have a bit of experience with Quantitative Aesthetics >(and it was no feast), but this still smells something like a hoax or at >least a joke. I was thinking of looking into this, too, since I probably know the person who wrote the original press release at PSU. The way I see it, it is either: 1) a joke 2) a forgery by some guy at Pitt, deliberately trying to besmirch Penn State research 3) a plant by some misguided PR type trying to wring a few more ticket-dollars out of hapless baby boomers with more high frequency hearing than they really need I'll get back to you. ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications 3052 S. Buchanan St., #A1 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com http://www.prodigaldog.com "We were the funkiest in 1980." -- Lyn McCleary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: quantitative aesthetics (fwd) On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Maybe it's because half of the bands I like qualify as musically > pretentious, but... > > That has got to be the *STUPIDEST* musical theory I've ever heard. > It's based on the assumptions that: > a) The only good music is blues No, good rock is close to the blues. > b) Any non-blues music is the product of a dead system and therefore bad. I have no idea where you got that. > c) Nirvana (c.f. "All Apologies", "Lithium") is closer to the blues than > tThe Beatles. No. Nirvana has a lower ambition/accomplishment ratio than Pearl Jam. > d) By this formula, John Mellencamp is better than Pet Sounds. John Mellencamp is super pretentious and tries way harder than he succeeds, but we still don't know anything about the methods involved in generating the quantites. I think Pet Sounds is a great accomplishment that came out of reasonable ambitions. At least in the first section, it would score well. I also think the couplets and beats would put it close enough to African American Blues to keep it in the running. But again, do you WANT Pet Sounds to be considered rock'n'roll? > e) For that matter, by this formula, Wild Honey (Beach Boys) is a better > album than Pet Sounds.... A better rock album... not necessarily a better album. > f) The main contribution of rock music is putting white faces on black > music. Rock'n'roll brought the kinds of music being created by black musicians into the public eye and common acceptance. But that has nothing to do with rock's 'main contribution'. Again, I have no idea where you got this. > Bah. I'll take "As We Go Along" or "Cherry-red daughter" over The Stones' > cover of "Little Red Rooster" any day. Go right ahead. He's not saying you should do anything other than that. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sartwell's folly On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, James Dignan wrote: > >Philosophy Professor Rules Stones Best Rock Band Ever > >To wit, the quality of a Rock song varies > >inversely as the square of its distance from the blues. > so... in other words musicians like Jellyroll Morton, BB King and > Mississippi Malcolm McDowell (whatever) are better *rock* musicians that > even the Rolling Stones or Beatles. This despite the fact that they don't > play rock music. First of all, their songs are not rock songs and therefore they are not rock musicians. (Note the above statement from the article on Sartwell's Laws refers to the quality of a Rock SONG, not musician. The quality of the rock musician would be judged by probably averaging the quality of their individual rock songs and combining it somehow with their pretentiousness number.) So how can I say their songs do not rate as high quality rock songs if they are very close to blues? The answer is that they are NOT very close to blues. They ARE blues. Therefore their distance from blues is zero. You can't divide by zero. There can be no inverse relationship with zero. They simply can not be quantified as rock songs of any quality. > I take it that according to this formula, 60s earcandy > like "Nights in White Satin" rates as so much sanitary cake. Um, I would say sanitary cake would rate VERY low, being not a song at all. Nights in White Satin would also rank quite low. Is it because Nights in White Satin is a bad song? No, it's because Nights in White Satin is a bad rock song. It might be the greatest whatever-kind-of-song-it-is that was ever written. > what a load of bollocks! > (academic mode off) Um... Yeah. I noticed your academic mode was off. Try turning it on before commenting on academics, ok? > James (NP: Robyn's best song, according to the Sartwell hypothesis: > "Captain Dry") Actually, without seeing any of Sartwell's alleged work, I would guess that Gene Hackman would be one of Robyn's best rock song. It's bluesy, to be sure, and when combined with its low ambition (it's kind of a silly, one-off gag that I don't think was meant to be taken as art of any serious calibre) and high achievement (it has many highly artistic elements, I'd say, that make it good art all around) I think you have a great big score on both of Sartwell's meters. But yeah, you get the point. Anything close enough to blues (and yet not blues) and highly accomplished artistically (with low artistic ambition) would be considered really damned good rock. Now, I know the Pretense factor was used in judging bands and not songs individually, but I think it's applicable. I could be wrong. > PS - which is more likely to be true: Sartwell, or Roswell? Um... I'm not sure how either a man or a city could be true or false, but right now I'm working under the assumption that both exist. Does that count? J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:19:48 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Liner notes to Acid Bird... >>For those of us without "Uncorrected", what *does* Robyn say? >From the liner notes to Acid Bird: "I never took much LSD. My musical heroes from the 60's had taken it all for me. The "trippy" element in my work is partly due to their influence and partly due to the fact that I have an imagination. Indeed in my experience acid seemed to negate the imagination: "It's all in front of you, boy. Why make things up?" Unfortunately, I am fitted with an artists ego, and I cannot just celebrate reality--I have to take it away, edit it, and rebuild it to my own specifications. Art and dreaming are the windows of our race. Close them and we suffocate. Acid, in it's cruel magnificence, can scour away the cells it illuminates. Nonetheless, in the summer of 1972 I had a very vivid trip looking over the river Severn, which inspired this song eight years later." (RH) Liner notes to Night Ride to Trinidad: "It's going to kill you. It's going to have to kill you. But not too fast--it's got to pan-sear you. Scorch you. Bleed your money for a few years more. Addicts are no use the drug suppliers if they croak too soon. A lifetime consumer is what they want. Look at you! Your veins are tightening, your lungs are clogging up, your face is puffy, and your skin is gray. You cough, you smell, your money is draining away, and your destiny is not your own. But somehow you convince yourself that this is what you wanted. I'm not talking about illegal dope here. You can fuck yourself up just as well with alcohol and tobacco. Cheers! A hangover song." (RH) So those are some of Robyn's views on the subject. I'm not even gonna SAY how much acid I've done. I must be one crazy, crazy loony! But since long ago and far away I stopped taking ANY chemicals (OK, I'm still hooked on caffeine, sue me!) I seemed to have floated back to earth. These brain cells work fine, work fun, work funky, work Fellini work fugazi work...work...work.... My thoughts and my heart may take flights of fancy...but these days, I like to keep my feet on the ground..... <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 08:07:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Soft Boys anniversary... ======== Original Message ======== Clint Golden asked: > According to the Fegmaniax chronology, this Friday marks the 20th > anniversary of the Soft Boys debut record release on Raw Records. > > Now how are YOU (you, a general broad pointing finger you) going to > celebrate? Well, I'm gonna play my autographed "Give It To The Soft Boys" 7-inch over and over. How's that grab ya? __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== I'm just gonna look at the nipple all day. - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: more of this Sartwell crud (0% Robyn) On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Chaney, Dolph L wrote: > One of my favorite reviewers, Glenn McDonald, discusses the Quantitative > Aesthetics thing in this week's edition of The War Against Silence > (http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0141.html). Key quote: "We already have > a term for music that obeys the rules of the blues: "blues". " I agree totally. First of all, I'd like to remind us all that we read a suppsoed Press Release, not any kind of academic paper, so we have no way of knowing exactly what factors are considered when all is tolled. Second, I think Mark Gloster (Sheesh, I hope it was Mark) said the most intelligent thing in this whole Sartwell talk when he said that Country ALSO inspired rock'n'roll and isn't mentioned in the Sartwell article we read at all. That could be a) a fatal flaw in Sartwell's Laws or b) a fatal flaw in the reporting abilities of one PR writer or c) something else. Just putting in two more of my cents. I swear, you kids are nickle-and-diming me to death. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Peter Gordon wrote: > >Charlie Higson used to be in a halfway decent Norwich band called the > Higsons (find >out more). Well, he's not listed on ANY of The Higsons stuff I have. I did find one name in the "Special Thanks" section of The Curse Of The Higsons that includes thanks to John Peel, "Norwich in general", Dave Cummings, Ian Watson and _Dan Higson_. Now, it's just possible that Charlie Higson was Switch. I have no information on a longer name for Switch. However, all the other nicknames are obvious derivations from the real names of the artists, so if it follows, I don't see how Charlie Higsons became Switch. > Amazingly enough I went to university in > Norwich, which just goes to >prove something or other. Andrew Conway > writes that the Higsons used to be played >on John Peel's show, but he > can only remember one single called "I don't wanna live >with monkeys." > John Hawkes-Reed recalls a single called 'Conspiracy', which might >have > been on WAAP Records of Norwich. Jacquie Wilson has the 12" of 'Music to > >Watch Girls By', which could be worth a pretty penny in the year 3010. > Are there any >others? The Higsons did two singles on 2Tone as well as the album on Mixture. The 2Tone singles are three of my favorite songs. One was a double-A side with Ylang Ylang (my favorite Higsons tune and one of the best songs out there at all) and Tear the Whole Thing Down (which is not as good, but still fun). The other single was You Should Have Run Me Down b/w Put the Punk Back Into Funk. You Should Have Run Me Down is a nice companion piece to The Cars She Used To Drive, I think. It's the words of a fellow that sees a former lover driving down the street in the car they used to use for... parking. She's driving with her new lover. He's saying it was cruel to drive past and not run him over. I think that's just clever. > >Paul [Whirehouse, co-writer and bloke who says brilliant a lot] and > Charlie formed a >punk band called Right Hand Lovers. It didn't really > catch on. This sounds familiar. Hmm. > >Charlie has written two novels. I haven't read them. Neither have I. > I may be an anal retentive, but I get answers. OK. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: The Blooze! (long rant, 0.001% RH) > >Robyn Hitchcock's electric guitar playing is noticeably unblueslike (and >unbloozelike). He doesn't bend notes and he uses melodic scales which are >seldom pentatonic blues scales. I would have thought that his main >influences were Roger McGuinn (e.g. on 'Queen of Eyes') and Syd Barrett >(e.g. on 'I'm only you'). > >- paleo-Mike Godwin Hi paleo-Mike: Maybe Robyn's playing isn't extremely blueslike, but he definitely has some blues influences. I found almost a dozen blues-based Soft Boys songs, there are probably more: Skool Dinner Blues Wey Wey Hep Uh Hole Ugly Nora Hear My Brane Give It To The Soft Boys Fatman's Son The Pigworker Return Of The Sacred Crab Leppo And The Jooves Mystery Train Train 'Round The Bend Obviously some of these are more "blues" or "blooze" than others, and they are usually pretty bizarre takes on the blues, but they are definitely based on blues songs, in some way or another. As far as rock and roll being blues before country.... I'd have to disagree on that, too. Rockabilly music was an equal mix of both - hell, there was probably even some jazz thrown in there, as well! Greg - -- ******** Gregory Watson ******** "I woke up, and my room was all weird; *** dy288@freenet.carleton.ca ** It was everything that I had feared - * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * I had suddenly grown a beard, of bees." ******************************** - "I Woke Up" (The OAM) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:23:35 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: Sex, Drugs, and Rock-n-Roll A cynical/sympathetic response to the following regarding the Stones: > Why are these people paying cold hard cash to hear "Satisfaction" for > the gazillionth time? What can the Stones possibly do on this tour > that they haven't done on their 30 previous tours? Same 22 songs, > same ridiculously extravagant stage show, same four old farts doing > the same embarassing things that no 55 year old should be doing. While I wouldn't caught alive or dead at the current Stones show, I wonder if we're all much different. Sure, we're most likely not football-jersey wearing, beer guzzling, "Classic Rok!"-yelling redneck trucksters out to "See the Stones man!" (you know the image I'm driving at...the same people that toke up during the show and have their lighters on standby for the inevitable ballad), but in a sense, aren't we the same? Didn't we all just follow around a 44 year old washup from the eighties that can only play dives because no one plays his stuff on radio anymore (ahem...I'm saying what others might say!) Doesn't he just play the same old 20 or 30 songs the same way night after night, with the same tired stories? Hasn't he been doing this solo acoustic thing for years now? What could Robyn possibly do new...a different lamp on stage? Maybe there is something to the Stones that we just don't get? Maybe we're the ones not quite with the picture? Thank God! :) (remember, I'm speaking sarcastically here you all!) > On the subject of illicit substances and chemical mind enhancers: Okay, I'll purge... Pot: occasionally through high school and college. I'm with Glen on this one. It just puts me to sleep. I don't see the appeal. Coke: I went to college at the University Of Miami, '85-'89. Enough said on that one. Acid: I've got several deadhead surfer pals here in Cocoa Beach, so this has been tried numerous times to wonderous and enjoyable effect. Still fun to do once every few years for nostagia's sake. I personally feel that everyone should try it once. Alcohol: Yeah, I slurp down a beer now and again. Four or five on a random Saturday night out on the town is great. But too many drafts just sucks the next morning. The odd rum&coke is much better. Caffiene: No coffee, very little tea. But I'm hooked on colas, so much so that a Coke or Mountain Dew is the first thing I drink in the mornings on work days. It wakes me up. TV: never watch the thing, except for the odd A&E Biography or CNN. King of the Hill is superb though. CDs: Ah, you've caught me. This is where I fall and stumble. This is my heroin. Sex: Still the world's best high. Thank god I'm married. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: Unreleased Songs I've compiled a list of songs that I think are unreleased. This list is by no means complete. Adoration of The City Cheese Alarm Daisy Bomb Eerie Green Storm Lantern Dark Princess Gene Hackman I Dream Of Antwoman Elizabeth Jade Feels Like 1974 I Saw Nick Drake Viva SeaTac Let's Go Thundering Where Do You Go When You Die Loop The Loop Ring Them Bones No, I Don't Remember Guildford And these might qualify also: Direct Me To The Cheese Shadowcat Surfer Ghost Take This In Remembrance. I have copies of most of these songs, but have yet to compile them on one tape. I do have crappy masters of a few of the songs (yes, I am the one responsible for the crappy KCRW tape - I'm still working out a few bugs with the FM reception). The thought of another "Surfer Ghost - like" tape sounds great. I'd like to help in any way I can. griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219NOSPAM@csun1.csun.edu To reply, remove NOSPAM from return address. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:45:14 -0700 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Unreleased Songs >I've compiled a list of songs that I think are unreleased. This list is >by no means complete. I had started working on one to listen to at work. I am calling it "Robyn Hitchcock's Christmas Party." because on the most recent KCRW show he jokingly referred to that as the title of his next studio LP. I can finish it up and release it just in time for the holidays if you'd like! :) ha ha --- don't they put out Christmas stuff right after Halloween anyway??? The only song I don't have a copy of is "Remembrance" but I think that is too old to be on a tape of new songs. It might be better put onto Bayard's next compilation of rarities. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + John B. Jones lobstie@e-z.net "When I was two I saw white things hanging in the sky, like slow explosions. "What's that?" I asked. "Clouds," I was told. Instantly they became duller." -Robyn Hitchcock + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:13:34 -0400 (EDT) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: Unreleased Songs > >I've compiled a list of songs that I think are unreleased. This list is >by no means complete. > Has RH released "The Wind Cries Mary" (the Jimi Hendrix song) on anything yet? I have a copy of him doing a great version when he was in Vancouver last, when he toured with Billy Bragg. Greg - -- ******** Gregory Watson ******** "I woke up, and my room was all weird; *** dy288@freenet.carleton.ca ** It was everything that I had feared - * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * I had suddenly grown a beard, of bees." ******************************** - "I Woke Up" (The OAM) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:51:29 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: more of this Sartwell crud (1% Robyn [wow! up to 1%]) oops. I only sent this to capuchin... >Second, I think Mark Gloster (Sheesh, I hope it was Mark) said the most >intelligent thing in this whole Sartwell talk when he said that Country >ALSO inspired rock'n'roll and isn't mentioned in the Sartwell article we >read at all. That could be a) a fatal flaw in Sartwell's Laws or b) a >fatal flaw in the reporting abilities of one PR writer or c) something >else. >I swear, you kids are nickle-and-diming me to death. Here's another nickle. I must object to being accused of saying something intelligent on this matter. If I had said it, it wouldn't have been so 'ntelijnt. ;-) It seems that I can only obfuscate when I try. See: I believe that the lineage of popular music is kinda like that of humans. There really is no pure line from one thing to another. If one listens to traditional Hungarian music, the rhythms can resemble Indian Ragas. Celtic music has great similarities to Middle Eastern music. African and Asian music have infused all cultures. Because of nomads from all cultures, I postulate that there are no remnants of any absolute music styles. They have all rubbed on one another until some of the aspects of each are dissipated into the fabric of all. That said Rock 'n' Roll/Blues/Country developed with a strong African influence and consistently influence each other. Bob Brozman, a great musicologist and musician says that "great blues exists in every culture where white men have exerted dominance." I am not opposed to Sartwell's academic efforts. I mean they were inevitable. It just seems a little odd to me how scientific it pretends to be. It is still subjective and doesn't result in a qualitative answer. Robyn Hitchcock rules! - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 15:21:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: more Sartwell crud Mark G. Lost'er wrote: >Robyn Hitchcock rules! any formula that doesn't factor this into the equation is intrinsically flawed. - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: misplaced joan of arc Subject: I think, therefore I drink (fwd) OK, you wimps, read this: - ---------- Forwarded message --------- > I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the > morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. > --Frank Sinatra > > The problem with some people is that when they aren't drunk, they're > sober. > --William Butler Yeats > > An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with > his fools. > --For Whom the Bell Tolls, Ernest Hemingway > > Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to > keep your mouth shut. > --Ernest Hemingway > > You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on. > --Dean Martin > > Drunk is feeling sophisticated when you can't say it. > --Anonymous > > > No animal ever invented anything as bad as drunkenness - or as > good as drink. > --G.K. Chesterton > > Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time. > --Catherine Zandonella > > Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying > himself a pleasure. > --Ambrose Bierce > > Reality is an illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol. > --Anonymous > > I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast. > > A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to > thank her. > > What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? > --W.C. Fields > > Beauty rests in the eyes of the beer holder. > --Anonymous > > Sir, if you were my husband, I should poison your drink. > --Lady Astor to Winston Churchill > > Madam, if you were my wife, I should drink it. > --His reply > > If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us > stomaches. > --David Daye > > Work is the curse of the drinking classes. > --Oscar Wilde > > When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. > --Henny Youngman > > Life is a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of > the time and have the time of your life. > --Anonymous > > > I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. > --Tom Waits > > 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? > ---Anonymous > > When we drink, we get drunk. > When we get drunk, we fall asleep. > When we fall asleep, we commit no sin. > When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. > Sooooo, let's all get drunk, and go to heaven... > --Brian O'Rourke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Tragically Hip Just so we can get off of this Sartwell nonsense which is either unprovable or uselessly self-evident... What do you-all think of The Tragically Hip? (I've heard the song "Gift Shop". Really dig it. How doe sit compare to the rest of their work, which CDs should I get, etc.) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: I think, therefore I drink (fwd) On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, misplaced joan of arc wrote: > > I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. > > --Tom Waits While Tom Waits may have said this, it's Dorothy Parker's line. Right? J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: setlist: princess di memorial gig 31 aug 1997 the tape runs about 38 min and sounds good except that i had to do real-time damage control due to how quiet the musicians were and how loud the audience was. If/when i neglected to do so there are PROBLEMS. Luckily I only neglected to turn it down once and same with turning it up. i something you cheese alarm i gruesome hair gene hackman odds & ends (dylan) chinese bones clothes line saga (bobby z. again, also from _basement tapes_) viva sea-tac [hey, guys, i remember grooving a _little_ bit to this!] all shook up [alternating robyn and elvis voices] queen of eyes abort due to RH having to go to the bathroom. scott mccaughney and kurt bloch (tambourine) join from odds & ends onwards. yes, i'm going to see to it that everyone who wants a tape gets one. i just have to finish up some stuff for hal first. i really enjoyed this. it was a nice redemption for the minor robbery of the bumbershoot set, which was fine and good but not enough to swell the folds of my obsession. i did fly several thousand miles for this you know. still, the best part of the weekend was meeting y'all. let's do it again sometime. if we do comission a robyn gig, i'm there. hey, he's done two special events and a soft boys reunion over yonder, and it's us crazy americans who really pay his bills! as he said at the gig, "i live over there but i work here." see you next year, robyn. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: oh, and... i can do the names database. that ties in nicely with my other database ideas. i just need help thinking of names. (hey, what about billy the hedge?) i like your ideas eddie. in a few weeks i could do the unreleased songs thing, if john decides he doesn't want to. but i have complete faith in his choice of song versions. i think he should do it. i think rh said the working title for the album-after-next (next of course is the live album film soundtrack whatever)is _jewels for sophia_. which makes the third lp to share a title with a song that's actually on it. of course there's three that share titles with songs that are elsewhere (well, almost three. one has one word changed. and a fourth is named (misnamed) after another group's lyric). the reader is forced to figure it out for fegself. hey, this has been buggin me-- where is the "feed the fish" version of underwater moonlight from? {originally... gig and/or rekkid} =b in case you forgot, that last setlist was from the two bells tavern, 4th avenue, SEATTLE! Peter, a copy is on its way! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #31 ******************************