From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #30 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 9 1997 Volume 06 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sartwell's folly [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] tell me about your drugs [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan] Re: The rolling stones [Ross Overbury ] Sex, Drugs, and Rock-n-Roll ["Glen Uber" ] I repeat myelf when I'm in distress, I repeat myelf when I'm in ["Donkey] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:56:20 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Sartwell's folly >The list goes on. and you never even mentioned Dennis. And please, don't call me Reg... >Philosophy Professor Rules Stones Best Rock Band Ever >To wit, the quality of a Rock song varies >inversely as the square of its distance from the blues. so... in other words musicians like Jellyroll Morton, BB King and Mississippi Malcolm McDowell (whatever) are better *rock* musicians that even the Rolling Stones or Beatles. This despite the fact that they don't play rock music. I take it that according to this formula, 60s earcandy like "Nights in White Satin" rates as so much sanitary cake. what a load of bollocks! (academic mode off) James (NP: Robyn's best song, according to the Sartwell hypothesis: "Captain Dry") PS - which is more likely to be true: Sartwell, or Roswell? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:09:18 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: tell me about your drugs >I've never tried acid. I only use wee dribbles of alcohol, and rarely. >Usually under the supervision of professionals (yes, most are on this >list). Caffein seems too addictive and violent for me to do more than >once a week. I have a weakness for Bayview Farms Kona Vanilla Nut >coffee which makes total abstinence difficult. hmmm. no acid for me either, and no 'wacky backy' cigs (no ciggies of any kind, ever, actually) - although I did once eat some cookies with a different colonel's secret recipe of herbs and spices. Occasional small amounts of alcohol. Quite a bit of caffeine, though usually in the form of tea. Put it down to being an ex-Brit. Maybe three or four coffees a week. >I'm not at all proud of my lack of experimentation. This simply allows >me to at least maintain the illusion of control over some part of my >faculties. I figure the opposite - that I've got this little control when I'm straight and sober, so stoned and drunk I'd be a hazard to shipping (even when inland) James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 22:15:50 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: The rolling stones Brett said: > > Age is merely a number, and I am not a number... > I'd guess Brett has yet to sprout hobbit hair on his ears. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:51:37 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Sex, Drugs, and Rock-n-Roll Regarding various recent comments on this list: The Rubber Shark formerly known as Mark Gloster intimated: > I've never tried acid. I only use wee dribbles of alcohol, and > rarely. Usually under the supervision of professionals (yes, most > are on this list). Yes indeed. Our liquid lunches are not for wussies. "CEO" Clark has been known to drink more beer in one afternoon than most microbreweries brew in one year. Nick is English -- he was born with a Bass (ale and guitar) in his hand. Russell the Love Muscle is a Giants fan -- after suffering through so many bad seasons for so long, can you blame him for drinking so much? And me? I'm part Irish, part English. I have beer flowing in my veins. I do have a serious drinking problem, however: I have two hands and only one mouth ;-) ObTheRollingStones (aka "Grumpy Old Men"): Why are these people paying cold hard cash to hear "Satisfaction" for the gazillionth time? What can the Stones possibly do on this tour that they haven't done on their 30 previous tours? Same 22 songs, same ridiculously extravagant stage show, same four old farts doing the same embarassing things that no 55 year old should be doing. On the subject of Quantatative aesthetics: Sartwell is a wanker. There is a real difference between blues and the music that the Stones play, which I prefer to call "blooze" (rhymes with "booze"). The definition of blooze, according to Ubermann's unabashed dictionary is: *** blooze n. a form of music, played by caucasians (usually male and of residents of the UK) that is based on traditional blues structures and lyrical subject matter, yet differing greatly from the original. Often played by two-bit bar bands in roadhouses and at open-mic nights. The sound and presentation is further enhanced by several shots of spirits, denim trousers, leather jackets, mutton chop sideburns and fuzz-tone guitars playing I-IV-V progressions ad nauseum. *** Some bands that play blooze include Bad Company, Humble Pie, the Yardbirds, the Small Faces, The Steve Miller Band, The Black Crowes, et. al. I wonder what sort of disease was floating around the British Isles around 1963 that gave so many white Englishmen the delusion that they were elderly black men fro m the Mississippi Delta? Mick, Keith, The Erics (Clapton and Burdon), Paul Rodgers, Alvin Lee and others suddenly became enthralled with the idea of playing the blues as nature intended. I can't say that anyone (aside from maybe John Mayall and early Fleetwood Mac) succeeded. Most only managed to reinvent the form. All they did was electrify the blues and use familiar progressions and licks. However most of it was miles away from true blues. I would be more inclined to call them blues-influenced artists, or blues-based artists. I agree that Blues is one of the foundations for Rock and Roll. But so is Country music, if you want to get technical. On the subject of illicit substances and chemical mind enhancers: Acid: Maybe 10 times between the ages of 17 - 22 (I know fershure that one time was at a Pink Floyd show in 1988 and another was at Rocky Horror Picture Show in 1990 or so. Most of the others were at friends' houses). Peyote: Twice Marijuana: Maybe once or twice a year. It always puts me to sleep, so I usually let others partake. Why waste a good high, right? Drink: Only beer and never on days that don't end in 'y'. Cigarettes: Tryin' to quit (I've been saying that for awhile, now) Used to smoke cloves but they do nasty things to the walls of the lungs -- not to mention the odd-coloured phlegm they produce. Caffeine: Down to only 2 pots before noon. Hot, black, smokin'...nothing in it. However, it doesn't get me wired the way it does most folks. It only makes me less grumpy. My other drugs of choice are garlic, onions, black pepper, ketchup, popcorn and e-lec-tric-al bananas. Not at the same time, of course. I feel numb. Comfortably. Probably all that LSD, eh? Never knew I was *legally* insane. Now I actually have an excuse to act like a loon 8^) Cheerio kiddies, - --g "Men who don't make passes at lasses in glasses are asses." --Glen Uber Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:43:44 -0700 From: "Donkey Hodie" Subject: I repeat myelf when I'm in distress, I repeat myelf when I'm in Mark_Gloster@3com.com dixit: > Quite simply "Red" is the greatest piece of instrumental music > written in my lifetime (I M H O). Aaron Copeland has come pretty > close as have Zappa, and King Crimson. I would have to add "Indiscipline" from _Discipline_ and "Neurotica" off of _Beat_, as two other sonic assaults that will make your eardrums bleed. These three songs played in succession at "11" will make small animals scurry and make any dog within 10 city blocks howl. It will also piss off your neighbors and elicit hairy-eyed glances from close friends and relatives and anyone else who isn't a dedicated "Crimso". > If you want to get your feet wet more slowly not in any exact order: > Discipline is my favorite studio album of theirs _Disicipline_ is one of my top three albums from ANY band. Definitely a desert island album. The weakest song, "The Sheltering Sky" is still pretty damn good. > Three of a Perfect Pair kicks some chunky butt with alacrity Especially side two. The title track always reminds me of a cross between "Synchronicity I" by Die Polizei, and "I Advanced Mask" by Summers/Fripp. "Sleepless" is pretty wicked, also, the 12" Dance remix of "Sleepless" is one of the greatest productions of this or any century. Extremely alcritic. > 7. Court of the Crimson King has 21st Century > Schizoid Man and other bits and was one of my first albums This was my second KC album, after _Discipline_. It's good, but dated. Think of the Moody Blues with testicles. Pete Sinfield's lyrics are a bit pretentious. Other stuff from this period is notable, especially "Cat Food" from _In The Wake Of Poseidon_. Also, if you can find it, the album released in 1971 by former KC members Ian McDonald (keyboards/horns/guitar) and Michael Giles (drums), called simply _McDonald Giles_, is better than some of the KC albums of the same period. > Some of their early-mid stuff wanders around lost, but the unit's > dedication to their craft has kept me from trading back in those > CD's to which I scarcely listen. Those are things like _In the Wake > of Poseidon_, _Starless_, etc. > I actually like _Starless and Bible Black_ (or, as Bill Bruford called it, _Braless and Slightly Stacked_). Sure it's dated, but the lyrics are slightly less annoying than the earlier period songs. KC's worst is still better than most bands' best. > I am still waiting for Robyn to give these guys a nod live. I think > he could really pull off "21st Century Schizoid Man," I'd really like to hear him do "Cat Food", "Cadence And Cascade", "Ladies Of The Road" or "Heartbeat". Enuff fer now. Off to beddy-bye. - --g "Boy! They were big on crematoriums, weren't they?" - --George Bush, during a tour of Auschwitz, 28 Sept 1987 *************** Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ *************** ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #30 ******************************