From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #29 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 8 1997 Volume 06 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: The rolling stones [Eb ] Re: Stones Vs. Beatles [M R Godwin ] Re: The Rolling Stones [M R Godwin ] Re: danger: acid [Rich Plumb ] Re: danger: acid ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] New tunes (and a final word on the Stones) [Russ Reynolds ] re: The rolling stones [Capuchin ] Private Feg Gig/Acid casualty.... [Stephen Buckalew ] Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) [Nick Winkworth ] Re: yet another Bumbershoot tale [Capuchin ] Re: My Wife & My Dead Wife [Capuchin ] Re: Bowie and Microsoft [Capuchin ] Re: quantitative aesthetics [Capuchin ] mekons [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] probably the stupidest post you'll read all year (so enjoy it while it lasts) ["Eddie Tews" ] Re: The Rolling Stones [Capuchin ] Re: Private Feg Gig/Acid casualty.... [Terrence M Marks ] mailbag [dee zed stroke zero one five ] Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) ["Glen Uber" ] Re: The Rolling Stones, okay, it doesn't have much to do with the Rolling Stones [Mark_Gloster] Soft Boys vinyl wanted! [Clint_Golden@intuit.com (Clint Golden)] Soft Boys anniversary... [Clint_Golden@intuit.com (Clint Golden)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:26:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: The rolling stones >Simply that such factors of sales and reviews are not going to be a >relevant part of this album's history. You didn't say anything about "reviews." You said "sales." And if you think this album will have historical value, umm.... Basically, what I'm hearing from you is that even if it sells poorly AND gets lousy reviews, you're STILL gonna figure out a way in your own mind to tell yourself that it's an important record. OK, good luck with your rationalizations. >>Uh, riiight...and all those fans are there to hear songs off Bridges to >>Babylon??? Please. > >Perhaps I should clarify what I meant: I was saying that any $$$ that may >be lost due to possible, but too early to tell, low record sales, will be >made up through the sales of tickets for the tour, not to mention all of >the memrobilia that is sold at the concerts. So what's your point? That the Stones will still make a lot of money off this record/tour? No argument here! With their fat record contract and their ticket prices, of course! So? I thought that revenues weren't relevant, in your eyes. >>Anyway, how many songs off the new album are the Stones even playing live? >>Two? Three? > >Irrelevant. The tour itself is doing well. The tour is to support >"Bridges To Babylon." Boy, are you twisting the facts to suit your own arguments. My above comment is EXTREMELY relevant. Most of the fans don't care about the new music -- they go to relive memories of the old hits. And the Stones know it. This isn't exactly a controversial assessment. When the new songs come on, the fans go buy soda, so the Stones hold new songs to a minimum. Lots of people went to the Steel Wheels tour too, and yet the album didn't sell all that well and has basically faded off the map with time. The same will happen with Bridges to Babylon. You're dreaming if you think otherwise. So, since lots of people still go see the Beach Boys live, will that make their new album great? And hey, what about those fantastic new Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow and Jimmy Buffett records? Eb, who wouldn't go see the current version of the Stones unless he was given backstage passes and a limo ride to the show ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Stones Vs. Beatles On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 Hedblade@aol.com wrote: > Here's a line from a little rootsy blues ditty that I'd like to dedicate to > the professor who said the Stones were a better rock ban than the Beatles. > > "You're just trash / And you're a loser." Even so, it's worth boasting about being photographed with Charlie Watts! - - Mike Godwin [Thinks: What _is_ a rock ban anyway?] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:43:58 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: The Rolling Stones OK, here are the ten best Stones albums, in order. UK editions, of course. Not counting bootlegs. 1) Aftermath 2) Get Your Ya Yas Out 3) Beggars Banquet 4) First Album 5) Some Girls 6) Sticky Fingers 7) Exile on Main Street 8) Let It Bleed 9) Out of our heads 10) Anything you like, really: Second album, Still life, Goats head soup? I don't think Satanic Majesties quite makes it, though - the only track I really like on 'Satanic Majesties' is '2000 Light Years'. Incidentally, when we discuss the 'busyness' of the Satanic Majesties cover design, are we talking about the original, 3D cover, or the reissues where it is just printed as a photo? - - paleo-Mike Godwin PS More Stones triv: There are interesting details re the different UK / US track listings at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/music/ rollingstones-faq/part4/faq.html The main difference seems to be that the US 60s albums have been re-jigged to include current singles, whereas the UK albums from that period exclude singles. Thus the ghastly 'Between the buttons' is strengthened in the US release by the includsion of 'Ruby Tuesday' and 'Let's Spend the Night Together' (whereas the UK album has the unmemorable 'Back Street Girl' and 'Please Go Home'). Conversely, the US 'Aftermath' is significantly shorter. Although it includes 'Paint it black', it omits 4 tracks (the opening 'Mothers Little Helper', 'Take it or leave it' 'Lady Jane' and 'Out of time'), and has a cut-down version of 'Goin Home'. When I say that this is the all-time best UK Stones album, the US version is really no substitute. - - MRG, - - founder, - - campaign for PS's which are longer than the original posting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:27:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Plumb Subject: Re: danger: acid > > IIRC he said he's done it 7 times, but he may have been exaggerating in > order to be legally considered insane. (That's the cutoff, i think.) > Isn't this an old wive's tale (take acid 7 times to be considered legally insane)? If it's not then I'm free and clear to whatever I want since I'm crazy as a bug by that definition. rich OBTrivia: Susie Honeyman listed as strings with the Higsons played fiddle for many years with the greatest rock band in the world, the Mekons. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:33 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: danger: acid Rich Plumb sed: >Isn't this an old wive's tale (take acid 7 times to be considered legally >insane)? If it's not then I'm free and clear to whatever I want since >I'm crazy as a bug by that definition. Well, I just swallowed seven tabs of strong LSD. I'll verify your theory as soon as I can. As soon as I can. As soon as I can. What? Oh, look at the pretty shapes. Oh, I'm being followed by a 73. And there are fingers growing out of the sand. Outta sight, man, outta sight. >OBTrivia: Susie Honeyman listed as strings with the Higsons played >fiddle for many years with the greatest rock band in the world, the >Mekons. Hey you! The Soft Boys were the greatest rock band in the world. And the Beatles were better than the Stones, too. So there. Pbbst. +++++++++++++++++ "The pot of gold is full of shit." + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + -- Jim Thirlwell +++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 07:51:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: New tunes (and a final word on the Stones) >You didn't say anything about "reviews." You said "sales." And if you think >this album will have historical value, umm.... hey, you never know...it could be the album Mick is photographed signing for the guy that ends up shooting him. (which could be anyone who paid money for the album) How 'bout we talk Hitchcock for a while? There are quite a lot of new tunes he's been performing which I have yet to hear and would love a copy of. If anyone's got a good quality recording of a show featuring at least three of 'em, please let me know--maybe we can work out a trade. I'm also interested in trading for Alvin Lives at Leeds if anyone has an extra or comes across one. Contact me off list. I really start jonesin' for new Hitchcock tunes when fall comes around... - -russ it's almost 1998 and I'm still writing "ecto" on my checks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: danger: far from Robyn On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Rich Plumb wrote: > OBTrivia: Susie Honeyman listed as strings with the Higsons played > fiddle for many years with the greatest rock band in the world, the > Mekons. And the song "If I Was A Mekon" is about wanting to be in Rich's "greatest rock band in the world", but is by Too Much Joy. Too Much Joy is probably NOT the greatest rock band in the world, but I love them and everyone else in the world hates them. I was looking for a Too Much Joy album at a used cd store the other day and the clerk said "Ugh. We don't even buy those anymore. I swear, we get offered one a week... Try Everyday Music." Sure enough, Everyday Music had three copies of each album. (I know, I preach about giving money to the artists you truly appreciate and would like to see continue, but I'm sorry to say that Too Much Joy's fans -assuming I'm not the only one- weren't such big spenders in the early days and so now it's all out of print.) Anyway, nobody writes a good rock anthem like Too Much Joy and I still think their wisdom is sound: Every great band should be shot Before they make their Combat Rock. Enough of that. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: The rolling stones On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Brett Maverick wrote: > Age is merely a number, and I am not a number... No, of course not, Brett. Numbers are all unique. Sorry, cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. J. No. I can't end it there. I really wanted to end right there, but I can't. This is a serious peeve of mine. I hate it when folks say "Bah... to them, I'm just a number!" or "Gosh, in the future we'll all just have numbers!" like it's a bad thing! See, numbers are all unique and different. There might be another John Jones (heck, maybe even another John Barrington Jones) or Susan Dodge or Susan Even or Karen Reichstein (wait... there kind of is another Karen Reichstein... only she's Carole Reichstein and completely different) or Eddie Tews or Daniel Saunders, but there is only one 87836284394! (no, that's not a factorial, smartass.) All of you people (with the possible exception of myself and Bayard and a few others that I'm sure will pipe up and make this thing even more intrusive than it already is), are not unique as names, but wholly different distinguishable as numbers. Me, I can think of a lot worse things to be than a number. J. (yeah, I know... just a letter. Grow up.) ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:10:39 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Private Feg Gig/Acid casualty.... If there were to be a UK/USA Feg gig(s), Fegs in the states were considering the costs of flying Robyn over to the USA for the USA version. Robyn mentioned at the Cambridge Junction gig that a live album would be released to coincide with the Storefront Hitchcock film, and that he would tour the USA at that point...so possibly by next summer(?), he might already be here....I wonder if he would have time during that tour to do a Feg gig somewhere in the USA? >> Kembrew McLeod has this to say about our man: >> professional acid casualties such as Robyn Hitchcock > I'd never consider Robyn to be an acid casualty. They tend to record a > couple of decreasingly rational albums, then vanish. RH has managed to > keep recording, and also claims (?memory?) not to have used acid too > often. > IIRC he said he's done it 7 times, but he may have been exaggerating in > order to be legally considered insane. (That's the cutoff, i think.) Ken Kesey of the Merry Pranksters claimed that taking Acid more than once is like walking through the same door over and over again, and never getting anywhere. I had to stop taking drugs/alcohol a long time ago, so I gotta agree with Ken Kesey...but Robyn mentions his own (accurate IMHO) thoughts on LSD in the liner notes for "Acid Bird" (the best psychedelic song in existence IMHO) on the "Uncorrected Personality Traits" compilation. Also check out Robyn's comments on drugs/alcohol in the liner notes for "Night Ride to Trinidad". All in all, I'd say RH has his head screwed on pretty tight and is far from an acid casualty....methinks the reviewer who made the comment mistook imagination for tripping. <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: re: some forgotten topic. On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > I love the Meat Puppets, Pete Townshend > *is* a virtuoso (but in the studio and with a pen, but not on stage) Why do these seem so painfully inconsistent? It hurts me, honestly. But just for kicks, I got nothing but good things back from folks after mentioning The Meat Puppets. Does anyone here actively dislike them? > um, I like both PI and Respect. I'm fine with this, however. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:22:32 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) Capuchin said: > > Um... as I recall, some of The Higsons were female... or at least > > they had some female backup vocalists. I mean, some of that could > > be falsetto, but golly. and Susan E. followed with > I think they were a family. (They are in the video on the Hen > compilation, eating porridge.) Wasn't that the Osmonds? ;) Well, it's such a rare thing that I actually know any music trivia that I just *had* to jump in here: The Higsons were five likely lads from Norwich (that's in Eastern England for the geographically challenged, not too far from Cambridge) - who played the pub circuit in the early 80's. They never made the big time. According to their 1981 single "I don't want to live with monkeys", they were: Bilko: Bass Simon: Drums Switch: Singing Stuart: One guitar Tez: Everything else Where are they now, eh? ~N ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: yet another Bumbershoot tale This is lots of Bumbergarbage, but there's a bit at the end about Respect that's really why I wrote this thing. On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Christopher A Franz wrote: > But the Two Bells surprise gig made up for it. I don't think anybody > tried to come up with a full setlist for that; here's my best guess: > > I Something You > Cheese Alarm > too late," exit Scott> > Gene Hackman > > Chinese Bones > All Shook Up (with full Elvis impersonation and dancing) > Odds&Ends (?) > damp> > Viva SeaTac > > What did I miss in there? Queen of Eyes, for one. I think he played that at all of the shows I saw this summer (some unbelievably large number). I know there was at least one other. It's not in my head right now. But Bayard's got the tape. > A bizarre sight as the crowd was swaying, clapping, and singing along to > Viva SeaTac -- all but Bayard, who was sitting stock-still, directly > facing the band, trying to get the best recording possible. A small > island in a rolling sea of humanity. That was really amusing, actually. Bayard was sitting there, unnaturally upright, and perfectly still. He had these two odd bugs at the corners of his beautifully blue T-shirt collar. He was smiling the smile of the Very Very Pleased Person. But he couldn't move. As happy as he was and all that, he just smiled. His eyes would get wide and then relax, but his breathing was metered and regular. And at the end of a particularly good song, we'd all be applauding away and I think the most he did was look around at us with wide eyes and nod as if to encourage us to clap for him. I got a big kick out of it, anyway. I think I tried to say something to him. I hope it isn't on the tape. How embarrassing. > That's really a great song, and > perfect for that venue. You couldn't help but want to sing along, and by > the end the chorus was indelibly written into the memory of everybody > there, even those who didn't know just who this odd Englishman was. Yeah, that was kind of awkward for me, actually. I felt like some people were just there to hang out at their tavern and were sort of being interrupted by some guy with a guitar. I know how that is. I hate it when I go out and there's a band I don't want to hear playing and my friends and I do our best to block it out and talk over it. But I have a new kind of understanding, I think. I mean, what if it's somebody there's All-Time Favorite playing and I'm the asshole shouting to my friends and ignoring what they think is the most beautiful music in the world? Boyo. I guess next time I'll just leave. > The > table next to us went nuts when he hit the "All of the groovers come from > Vancouver" line (well, not the table, the people around it); unfortunate > that the groover from Vancouver Island had left that morning. Um... Our little groover wouldn't be able to get in to the Two Bells, as he's already mentioned. OK, I guess I'm just rubbing it in. > Still, the whole weekend was a blast; a million thanks go to Cynthia for > her hospitality. She was the glue that kept this gaggle of Fegs > together. Keep up to date on the goings-on at I-Ron-Wood studios! :) Make that a million and one. (OK... one more from Ian. That's 1000002.) > Oh yeah, that Innocent Boy question Bayard proposed has been driving me > nuts for ages. You flash some poise? You flash so coy? You flasher > boy? You fatso boy? If that's your ploy? If that's okay? What IZZZZ > it, man! I have no idea. But it reminds me of something else that we talked about standing in front of the Rover outside the Two Bells... Respect. I have a few words about Respect that I'd like to share. I like Respect quite a bit. I know it's a little overproduced and gets kind of washed out with all the extra instruments and 'knob fiddling', but there's something about it that I've never been able to express to others. But while talking the other night (OK, it was like a month or more ago), I realized what it is. Respect is an album that is best to listen to at home, alone, in the dark, on headphones, even though there's nobody around to disturb. The mood of the album is personal and introspective. The extra production makes it all neato and stereophonic and plays the music out all over your head. But there's more than that. I mean, I don't think it stands up to analysis... or maybe just not my analysis. It's just BETTER that way. To this day, I have a hard time listening to it out loud (except for The Yip Song, of course). I hear all the same things that people complain about on the list. But if the speakers are up against my head and the room isn't so well lit and there aren't any other people around, it's one of the loveliest things in my collection. > I could be Gene himself, for all you know.... > --Chris OK... now this is funny. I'm still giggling at this. You see, I'm imagining Gene Hackman in a big mechanical suit covered in silicone gel and plastic coated to look like Chris A. Franz. I think the funniest part is that Gene would probably fit inside and still be able to work the controls. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: My Wife & My Dead Wife On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Runion, Michael R. wrote: > "Would Mike think it was cool that his wife kissed Robyn > Hitchcock, or would he be insanely jealous?" Did she think "Insanely Jealous" in her dream? Hrrmm. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Bowie and Microsoft On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Tom Clark wrote: > On 9/28/97 1:29 PM, Eddie Tews wrote: > >i don't know any details of the campaign or anything. like, how they > >used Start Me Up to sell Windows '95. i don't know if they're doing > >anything like that for Memphis, or what. > >but, i just saw some MicroSatan commercial the other night, with > >"Heroes" playing under the "action." i don't even remember what the > >"action" was. bunch of fucking idiots running around saving the world > >or something. man, that was so depressing. > The commercial shows a large truck manufacturing company (Peterbuilt, I > think) and how great their operation runs with M$ software controlling > everything. It's pretty sad, actually, considering the product they're > advertising is probably the weakest link in the entire operation. > Advice: Don't buy Peterbuilt stock, but DO buy stock in the consulting > company they've hired to keep their IS system up and running! OK OK OK... I'll fess up. I had great chunks to do with making this commercial. It's Freightliner Trucks, by the way. And the campaign is called Working. I forget the name of the particular sport. See, as you folks may or may not know, that little job loss thingie I got last month was from Wieden & Kennedy which Microsoft pays quite a bit of money to make commercials and print ads and things. And yeah, I've seen the whole Freightliner operation and helped choose which shots would be interesting and which ones folks might recognize as Microsoft and all that. It was a great big mess and I keep telling myself that if I hadn't been laid off for some other reason, I'd've quit anyway. I firmly believe that... I think. But for the record, I had nothing to do with the choice of the Bowie tune. I would guess either David Carson or Michael Prieve did that. They're both really pretentious and have no idea what Microsoft really is. > Of course I'm in no way biased... No, Tom@apple.com, neither am I. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: quantitative aesthetics On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 firstcat@lsli.com wrote: > So I guess under this formula Robyn sucks? Actually, Robyn fairs quite well by this formula, to my way of thinking. However, I happen to have a bit of experience with Quantitative Aesthetics (and it was no feast), but this still smells something like a hoax or at least a joke. I'll look into it for sure, but it's just too odd and there's no description here of how 'artistic ambition' or 'artistica accomplishment' are measured... let alone the distance from blues. I find it interesting though, and if I run across more tidbits, I'll pass them on to you kids. However, I'd say that Robyn seems to almost always come out way over his ambitions in artistic accomplishment and he's got some fantastically bluesy licks here and there as well as very traditional kinds of rock'n'roll beats. I'll try to find some information on exactly what is used to quantify the individual criteria and see (assuming it's a real thing). Some folks here have complained quite a bit about this whole claim, but it actually makes some sense. He's saying The Rolling Stones are a 'better rock band' than The Beatles. I'm inclined to agree... even though I'd rather listen to The Beatles than The Rolling Stones any day of the millenium. The reason is that Rock 'N' Roll is a blues-derived musical form. Rock 'N' Roll is something very specific. What The Beatles were producing in, say, the last half of their career together was not, strictly speaking, rock'n'roll. We call all kinds of things rock music today. In fact, we call almost all of popular music 'Rock' of some kind or another, but most of it bares only trace resemblance to what was originally given the name. Rock'N'Roll can be given some specific definition having to do with its basic structure (4/4 time, emphasis on the downbeat, etc.) and you'll get things on "all rock" radio that have none of those traits. Does that mean it's not rock? Yes! So why is it on a rock station? I have no idea. Because it's popular. Because they don't know any better. Because people who like the other stuff they play like that, too. I would say I generally don't like rock'n'roll and that would probably be the truth. I like Robyn, of course, very much... but he's by far the exception. Some of the artists I listen to most have very little rock'n'roll in them. They Might Be Giants and Oingo Boingo are just as capable of producing rock'n'roll as they are of producing some wholly different kind of music that has wholly different conventions. That doesn't mean it's a less valid or even less pleasing kind of music... it's just different. And so yeah, the stuff that The Beatles did from Rubber Soul onward veered further and further away from rock. So what? It's still great stuff, isn't it? Quantititative Aesthetics is about dealing with a subject on the subject's terms. In this case, it's rock. And you have to approach everything from the viewpoint of rock. You can't just say something is 'better', you have to say it's better AT SOMETHING. Fine. Let The Rolling Stones be a better rock'n'roll band than The Beatles. It has nothing to do with taste. That's all. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:49:02 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: mekons >> OBTrivia: Susie Honeyman listed as strings with the Higsons played >> fiddle for many years with the greatest rock band in the world, the >> Mekons. they are definitely one of my favorites! susie didn't play with them when they came to cambridge last month; but there were still seven people on stage including rico bell. great show, though i don't think they were as crazy as i've heard they have been in the past. they were doing tequila shots in between songs. all of the live bootlegs i have are pretty raucus. they are at work on a new album to be released early next year. working titles include: _thank god for the dole_ and _me_. KEN "only eyes full of unspeakable thoughts remain" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:34:40 PDT From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: probably the stupidest post you'll read all year (so enjoy it while it lasts) wither quail? >Well, Shhhhhhhh, but I'm rebuilding my lyric site from scratch. It's >almost done, but it'd be a simple matter to pull all the names together >out of the text files that already exist. How do you propose the >information is presented? well, how much work are you willing to do? i for one would love to see a database. the fields would be: the name of the name, the name of the song, the name of the album, the year of release, whether it was a real or a fictional person, whether it was from a lyric or story, and the date he mentioned it if it was from a story...probably some other good ones i'm not thinking of. >> it's also interesting how many names of real people he uses in >>songs and stories. that could be a sublist of the premium list. >Simply done. are you sure? 'cause a lot of these ones are from the stories. like, my fave has got to be...oh god, i don't know why my memory's so bad these days --must be the acid rain. i don't even remember the story now, but he says something about how his heroes are trent reznor and leonard nimoy. from the tipitina's show, i think. anyway, are you willing to go over to lobsterman's house and listen through all his tapes (you've got every concert on tape, right jonesie?) and write down all the names of real people you hear? or would you rather that people submit them to you? >I like Respect quite a bit. I know it's a little overproduced and gets >kind of washed out with all the extra instruments and 'knob fiddling', all this recent RESPECT bashing has kind of caught me with my pants down. i thought it was PERSPEX and DECAY that y'all hated so much because of the production? and i thought that it was RESPECT that was your fave a&m album, precisely because it's supposed to have the stripped-down sound? that's why they recorded it in his kitchen. i know it's not as stripped-down as they wanted, but it still doesn't seem overproduced at all to me. i've said this before, but, i could very easily select RESPECT as my favorite robyn rekkid if it weren't so fergin' short. >But if the speakers are up against my head well now, i generally listen to cd's in my car, which is kind of like listening to them in headphones. so maybe that's why i like it so much, too. hey, robyn even makes a passing reference to this on SPECTRE: "death could easily be a wide-open spaces song, but we've made it claustrophobic." >and the room isn't so well lit and there aren't any other people >around, it's one of the loveliest things in my collection. of course, it's not always dark when i'm in my car, and there are things going on to "distract" me from robyn. but then again, in seattle you're generally only able to travel about 6 hours per mile, so it's not as distracting as driving anywhere else might be. maybe you hadn't heard about this, but we've got a law here that for every 10 linear city blocks, there have to be at least 45 stoplights. and that's not all. some dipshit freshman legislator trying to make a name for himself tacked on an extra little thing saying that all stoplights have to be inversely synchronized. that is, the stoplight in front of you turns red at exactly the same moment that the one you're sitting at turns green. i'm not shitting you, this law is on the books. you know, i'm real sorry you all have to read this fucking hotmail advert that's coming up here. if anyone knows how to disable it, show me the light. Fuck You! I won't do what you tell me! (repeat fourteen times) --Rage Against the Machine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:51:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Rolling Stones Godwin wrote: >Thus the ghastly 'Between the buttons' is strengthened in the US >release by the includsion of 'Ruby Tuesday' and 'Let's Spend the Night >Together' (whereas the UK album has the unmemorable 'Back Street Girl' and >'Please Go Home'). > >Conversely, the US 'Aftermath' is significantly shorter. Although it >includes 'Paint it black', it omits 4 tracks (the opening 'Mothers Little >Helper', 'Take it or leave it' 'Lady Jane' and 'Out of time'), and has a >cut-down version of 'Goin Home'. When I say that this is the all-time best >UK Stones album, the US version is really no substitute. Funny you say this, because the only UK Stones albums I own are Between the Buttons and Aftermath (well, actually the Aftermath is a Japanese pressing). And I ADORE both records, so there (in fact, the UK version of Aftermath vies with Beggars Banquet as my favorite Stones record). "Backstreet Girl," unmemorable?? Also, you don't have the track deletions right. "Lady Jane" is on both records -- "What To Do" is the fourth track missing from the US Aftermath. Incidentally, Between the Buttons was the first Stones record I ever bought. I suspect that not many people can say that. Heh heh. And hey, you guys should listen to me, because I'm apparently the one clear-headed person on this list who has never taken acid. ;) Eb PS Susan D., email me. I have a Kinky question for you (that's capital-k Kinky), and I don't have your email address stored. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Rolling Stones On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Eb wrote: > And hey, you guys should listen to me, because I'm apparently the one > clear-headed person on this list who has never taken acid. ;) Um. You should be disqualified for owning Stones records. I've never taken acid, had a sip of alcohol, or first-hand smoked a cigarette. I also avoid caffeine as much as possible and won't take so much as an aspirin unless prescribed by someone whose understanding of biology and chemistry has my faith and trust. Climbing off of this monkey's high horse... J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Private Feg Gig/Acid casualty.... For those of us without "Uncorrected", what *does* Robyn say? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Stones Vs. Beatles > [Thinks: What _is_ a rock ban anyway?] That's when they won't let Elvis play in your city for moral reasons. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:32:15 -0400 From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: mailbag russ sez: >How 'bout we talk Hitchcock for a while? There are quite a lot of new >tunes he's been performing which I have yet to hear and would love a copy >of. which reminds me to ask: is anyone working on a netsurfer ghost-like compilation tape of the new songs? there are more than enough new songs (and more than enough very good to excellent recordings of them) to make up and tree another collection. i don't the time to work on this; does anyone want to volunteer? see spot runion sez: >You know what would really be awesome? A full-blown feg gathering planned >months or years in advance, in some dingy little central US town, equidistant >from everyone. kinda like the listmembers-only gig jewel played in woodstock? terry sez: >Well, I know that Opal is Dave Roback and Kendra Smith, which means that >it's halfway between Rain Parade and Mazzy Star. nah. opal and mazzy star are a lot closer to each other than rain parade and mazzy star. maybe nine tenths instead of one half. &y sez: >I remember talking to Martin Newell about this album about the time it came >out. As far as I can remember, there was some talk about the Cleaners doing >a track on the album, and the Captain, and Robyn, but there was some sort >of balls-up involving either management or copyright, so nobody notable was >on the final album. the past is vague to me as well, but i believe it was a management snafu which kept robyn & co. off the syd tribute. jim davies sent me a tape of the album (sans a couple songs -- guess the vinyl is longer than 45 minutes) way back when and i'm sure he would have mentioned if robyn was masquerading on the record. (btw, &y, i noticed your name in the acknowledgments for peter james' _host_. a friend from work loaned the book to me, thinking that i'd enjoy the techie facets, unix weenie that i am....) capuchin sez: >Respect is an album that is best to listen to at home, alone, in the >dark, on headphones, even though there's nobody around to disturb. i'm testing the theory. will report on results after the data has been gathered and analyzed. (already things look promising: the tinkle piano on "driving aloud" never actively registered on my consciousness before.) (bonus tip: don't forget to turn the brightness down on your monitor.) woj n.p. respect w.d. anchor steam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:34:23 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Calling Mr. Higson... (0.1% RH) Nick Winkworth dixit: > Capuchin said: > > > Um... as I recall, some of The Higsons were female... or at least > > > they had some female backup vocalists. I mean, some of that could > > > be falsetto, but golly. > > and Susan E. followed with > > I think they were a family. (They are in the video on the Hen > > compilation, eating porridge.) > > Wasn't that the Osmonds? ;) > No, Nick...don't you mean the Cowsills? > Where are they now, eh? They finally ran out of living... ;-) Chers, - --g "Men who don't make passes at lasses in glasses are asses." --Glen Uber Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:16:01 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: The Rolling Stones, okay, it doesn't have much to do with the Rolling Stones >On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Eb wrote: >> And hey, you guys should listen to me, because I'm apparently the one >> clear-headed person on this list who has never taken acid. ;) >Um. You should be disqualified for owning Stones records. >I've never taken acid, had a sip of alcohol, or first-hand smoked a >cigarette. I also avoid caffeine as much as possible and won't take so >much as an aspirin unless prescribed by someone whose understanding of >biology and chemistry has my faith and trust. Perhaps this would explain why you two sometimes seem so crabby. ;-) I've never tried acid. I only use wee dribbles of alcohol, and rarely. Usually under the supervision of professionals (yes, most are on this list). Caffein seems too addictive and violent for me to do more than once a week. I have a weakness for Bayview Farms Kona Vanilla Nut coffee which makes total abstinence difficult. I'm not at all proud of my lack of experimentation. This simply allows me to at least maintain the illusion of control over some part of my faculties. I try not to judge others too harshly in hopes that they don't crush me like a bug when I screw up. Nobody's perfect, man. - -Mark Gloster "your latex fish o' peace love and understaning" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:42:13 -0700 From: Clint_Golden@intuit.com (Clint Golden) Subject: Soft Boys vinyl wanted! Hey all Okay, it's time for my yearly attempt at finding some Soft Boys vinyl to complete my little collection. Anyone have (and are willing to part with)... Underwater Moonlight (German Roof pressing - black & white cover) He's a Reptile (either sleeve) Face of Death (yellow vinyl - overground 7") that's it! clint ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:45:30 -0700 From: Clint_Golden@intuit.com (Clint Golden) Subject: Soft Boys anniversary... According to the Fegmaniax chronology, this Friday marks the 20th anniversary of the Soft Boys debut record release on Raw Records. Now how are YOU (you, a general broad pointing finger you) going to celebrate? clint ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #29 ******************************