From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #22 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 2 1997 Volume 06 : Number 022 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood/Shamen [Andy Holyer ] Re: various thingies [HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com] Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Prog] Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE/CAROLINE/STATION [Russ Reynolds ] gee but it's great to be back home... [Bayard ] Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... [Saul Hewish ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:31:25 +0100 From: Andy Holyer Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood/Shamen At 13:48 30/09/97 +0100, HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com wrote: > > I have to go home and dig out my copy of "Wildwood". It's on vinyl > and I think I'm missing a few tracks too. I don't remember hearing RH > but then I wasn't listening for him. It's a fairly patchy album but > it's worth it for the Mock Turtles "No Good Trying" alone. > I remember talking to Martin Newell about this album about the time it came out. As far as I can remember, there was some talk about the Cleaners doing a track on the album, and the Captain, and Robyn, but there was some sort of balls-up involving either management or copyright, so nobody notable was on the final album. That's all I can remember- it was a long time ago, and I don't think we were both sober at the time :-/ - -&. Andy Holyer, Learn the Internet Ltd., Lewes, E Sussex Tel: 01273 485938 Fax: 01273 485939 Mobile: 0973 405836 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:03:05 -0800 From: Peter Gordon Subject: Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... Haven't seen any other answers to this gentleman's enquiry so far. The Soup Dragon was on The lovely lovely CLANGERS, who lived on the moon with the Soup Dragon, an iron chicken and worked in blue string mines (I think). If you are interested in all that kind of stuff, try going to http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/1011/ where you will find loads of really nostalgic things for British people about children's TV, and for non-Brits it might prove a rather good exercise in looking at the culture that produced Mr Hitchcock. Bod will blow your mind. Peter Gordon - -- Instant Ubik has all the fresh flavour of just-brewed drip coffee. Your husband will say, Christ Sally, I used to think your coffee was only so-so. But now, WOW! Safe when used as directed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 10:30:19 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Re: various thingies Various people said: > Likewise. But on the other hand, the Mock Turtles track is the only > song on the album with the true Barrett feel, and presumably tracks > left off the album are likely to be worse than those included. I don't think the point is to sound like Barrett but to give a new interpretation, but I would agree that the poorer songs on the album are VERY poor, and those left off could be even worse. > All this talk about Soup Dragons reminded me of a TV show that I saw > when I lived in England when I was a but a lad. It was about these > little sock critters that lived under the surface of another planet. > And one of the critters was a Soup Dragon who made blue soup. In one > episode, a mechanical chicken invaded their tunnels and made a > nuisance of himself. > For the life of me I can't remember the name of the show or of the > critters. Does anyone remember this show or what it was called? The Clangers. Classic stuff! Except it the soup was green. You're thinking of the "Blue String Pudding". > "Fire Engine" is a much-covered track. Didn't Patti Smith perform it > at one time? And / or the MC5? And / or Richard Hell? The original > 13FE album track is pretty muffled, nowhere near as good as "You're > Gonna Miss Me", if I remember aright. The Shamen also prompted me to by the original 13FE album and, yes, it is muffled. > You are right, my mistake! I got them confused. Speaking of this > compilation, on what Velvet Underground/Lou Reed album does > "Caroline Says" appear? The song on the 76-81 is actually "Caroline Says II" although it is listed on the sleeve as just "Caroline Says". Both songs appear on the fantastic "Berlin". And just get in a mention of Robyn, there, I just did. (H) - Mean, lean, in-between and half unclean. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:09:50 +0100 From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Buckalew writes: Stephen> By the way (unrelated to RH)...Here is a question for all Stephen> Y'uns in the UK. All this talk about Soup Dragons Stephen> reminded me of a TV show that I saw when I lived in Stephen> England when I was a but a lad. It was about these little Stephen> sock critters that lived under the surface of another Stephen> planet. And one of the critters was a Soup Dragon who Stephen> made blue soup. In one episode, a mechanical chicken Stephen> invaded their tunnels and made a nuisance of himself. Stephen> For the life of me I can't remember the name of the show Stephen> or of the critters. Does anyone remember this show or Stephen> what it was called? The show was called "The Clangers", and the so-called critters were clangers themselves. They looked a little like pink knitted elephant/tapir things, and made noises like a swannee-whistle. They lived under dustbin lids on the surface of the moon. I think the clang of the dustbin lids gave them their name. They used to collect their soup from the six-legged Soup Dragon in the caverns below their moon and every time they'd meet the friendly-but-creaky Froglets. There was also a baby soup dragon that made vaguely gurgly noises. I believe the tin chicken lived on a smaller moon, which the clangers used reach by flying in their musical boat. This was a rowing boat with a musical box attached that allowed it to travel through space (Gee, them NASA folks must be kickin' themselves...). The episode I remember was when astronauts landed on the moon, and were scared by the friendly Clangers. One of the astronauts fell in the Clangers' supply of Blue String Pudding, and they ran off back to earth in a state of some agitation. And now you see where we get our surreal sense of humour... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 08:01:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE/CAROLINE/STATION ======== Original Message ======== >>The Syd Barrett song on Ryko's "1976-81" is "Baby Lemonade", not >"Astronomy >>Domine". > >I'm at work so I don't have it on me but I'm sure the Syd Barrett song >on '1976-1981' was "Gigalo Aunt". A pity, because I would be much more >interested in hearing the two mentioned above! > >Dave. > >Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 You are right, my mistake! I got them confused. Speaking of this compilation, on what Velvet Underground/Lou Reed album does "Caroline Says" appear? Also, in the booklet Robyn mentions that the Soft Boys used to do a cover of David Bowie's "Station to Station". Has anyone heard their version? How is it? - -Ben ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== well then there you have it. "Astronmy Domine" can be found on the currently out of print but legitinate vinyl offering "Two Halves For The Price Of One" or the comparitively readily available but illegitimate CD "Invisible History" (which I recommend). Also, someone once told me "Caroline Says" is on Lou Reed's "Berlin" album and I believed him. Haven't bought it yet, however, because I've gotten mixed reviews from folks on this list and as a result I'm in a state of utter confusion. About life in general. - -St. Naig (Og) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Giants look to capture game two of the National League Division Series with Shawn Estes (19-5, 3.18) facing Al Leiter (11-9, 4.34) on Wednesday afternoon at 1pm PDT. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: gee but it's great to be back home... howdy y'all. my seattle-to-baltimore journey is finally complete and i just wanted to let you know. quail, i found the tapes i made for you a couple months ago, now if i can just find your address... dan p, i'll send your dats too. I saw some amazing things in my trip i think you all would love. there's going to be a web page with lots of bells whistles and pictures so i won't say too much here, but let me just say we found an airport that was built for aliens beside the largest rock in the world; also something that someone first told me was a time machine built by howard hughes, but turned out to be an electromagnetic fountain of youth; while camping near the grand canyon we were passed closely by elk; we were privleged to witness a beautiful lightning storm in new mexico 360^ around us with streaks of lightning approximated at 30 miles in length (while directly above us were clear starry skies); 750,000 bats at carlsbad caverns, way too much more to list... anyway, i still have a couple of days off and am working on tapes. Are there any volunteers who might be able to assist me with at least the analog part of some tape trees? it would involve being the recipient of a pile of email from people saying how many tapes they can make and what kind of dubbing gear they have, then constructing a tree of fegs with people with fancy cassette decks making copies for people who are less audio-crazed. oh and eddie, i hope to be sending you some stuff too. thanks for signing me up for your publication. cynthia, i forgot my shampoo at your house but all i need is the plug for my DAT. :) wonderful to see all of you posting like mad, as it should be! =the anti-bayard (concocted by the shadow of the great snail) ah, october. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 19:34:25 +0100 From: Saul Hewish Subject: Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... > All this talk about Soup Dragons reminded me of a TV show that I saw when >I lived in England when I was a but a lad. It was about these little sock >critters that lived under the surface of another planet. And one of the >critters was a Soup Dragon who made blue soup. In one episode, a mechanical >chicken invaded their tunnels and made a nuisance of himself. > For the life of me I can't remember the name of the show or of the >critters. Does anyone remember this show or what it was called? You may have already had a reply from every single english feg but it was of course The Clangers. A truly fabulous show which has shaped an entire generation and made the swannee whistle an instrument of distinction. Whilst I'm here I don't know why there seems to be such a rumpus about 'Respect', "Arms of Love" still gives me goose bumps. The production is OK and I thought it was a return to form after PI. However, if you want an album with bad production just check Mr Hillage's desparate attempts on Groovy Decoy. Of everything that he has ever released this is my least favourite album - As much as I loved Anthony Thistlethwaite when he was with The Waterboys, letting him loose with his sax on here was not a good idea. As the Clangers would say - ooo oo ooooo ooooooo......... Saul ************************************** Saul Hewish Saul@dial.pipex.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE I don't know if anybody's mentioned this in this thread, but I just picked up the Canadian release of Underwater Moonlight, which has a *great* version of the Syd/PF song "Vegetable Man". It's very faithful to the original recording, which was never officially released by the PF, but breathes new life, energy, and togetherness into it. Great tune, even if Robyn didn't write it! Greg > > >>The Syd Barrett song on Ryko's "1976-81" is "Baby Lemonade", not >"Astronomy >>Domine". > >I'm at work so I don't have it on me but I'm sure the Syd Barrett song >on '1976-1981' was "Gigalo Aunt". A pity, because I would be much more >interested in hearing the two mentioned above! > >Dave. > >Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 > > > - -- ******** Gregory Watson ******** "I woke up, and my room was all weird; *** dy288@freenet.carleton.ca ** It was everything that I had feared - * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * I had suddenly grown a beard, of bees." ******************************** - "I Woke Up" (The OAM) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:49:24 PDT From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: Hooray! It's another belated bumbertale happy october!! right. so, i had walked all the way to the rear of the line with the big pink and black thoth sign, trying to flush out additional fegs. i was almost returned to the base camp, feeling somewhat the failure as i had managed to find only one feg (chuck), when i first felt, then heard, then witnessed a rustling in the sea of humanoids (we had been made, quite against our will, to line up, "six abreast.") someone or something was trying to claw it's way toward me. eventually, leaving scores of broken bodies and lives in his wake, paul montagne (though i did not know it was he at the time, of course) leapt over the restraining rope, strode up to me, shook my hand, and excitedly queried: "are you bayard?" "no. but i know where bayard is, and i will take you to him." i kind of felt like luke skywalker: "i've got your R2 unit...i'm here with ben kenobi." "BEN KENOBI! WHERE IS HE?" "come on!" >The song on the 76-81 is actually "Caroline Says II" although it is >listed on the sleeve as just "Caroline Says". Both songs appear on >the fantastic "Berlin". which album i just happened to have reached on my alphabetical cd listenathon. a VERY underrated album. russ, whoever gave you the negative version of the mixed reviews was an idiot. buy it right now. by the way, i just wanted to agree with daniel and the others who have been singing the praises of 1974. i don't know that i'm ready to say that it's better than Elizabeth Jade and Jewels For Sophia. but it's right up there. Thundering, too. "I really believe that capitalism ultimately becomes responsible to nothing but itself and its own principles, and we're seeing that in a very accelerated way in this country and globally at this time. It's not that we're not also seeing pockets of resistance which, as you have documented, often don't even get reported. But I guess I would rather be there with those people than part of a celebration at the White House. I don't see that there's anything to celebrate at the White House." --poet Adrienne Rich, explaining why she'd turned down an invitation to receive the National Medal for the Arts from President Clinton. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:20:16 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... Warning: post heavily laden with personal opinion :) >Whilst I'm here I don't know why there seems to be such a rumpus about >'Respect', "Arms of Love" still gives me goose bumps. The production is >OK and I thought it was a return to form after PI. Oof well, the production is still a bit busy for me. And overall I guess, I just don't really understand why some people rave on about it, though OTOH I don't really understand what's to bash too hard about it either. I don't feel strongly about it either way- it is just kind of, well, there. > However, if you want >an album with bad production just check Mr Hillage's desparate attempts >on Groovy Decoy. Well, you know, this is I know a minority opinion but I really -like- Decoy. Now granted it contains some awful blunders (someone mentioned the sax bleats in there in "It Was The Night", which is the most obvious example at the top of my head at the moment) productionwise. But overall it works more than it doesn't. > Of everything that he has ever released this is my >least favourite album - As much as I loved Anthony Thistlethwaite when he >was with The Waterboys, letting him loose with his sax on here was not a >good idea. It wasn't an especially awful idea in conception, but I agree the sax could have been quite a lot more subtle in practice! Anyway, this album really fascinates me because it's so dark, and such an insight into darker corners of a very interesting psyche. I consider it one of Mr. H's most personal and revealing albums. I'll take the blunderings of Decoy over the bland shimmer of PI any old day. There's nothing on PI as powerful and beautiful as "St. Petersburg" nor as morbidly funny as the revamped "When I Was a Kid". Even "Midnight Fish" makes me smile, it has a glorious awfulness that delights me, which is only enhanced by the pseudo-disco-y sound of the production. Far from being one of my least favorites, I'd say of the solo albums it's (oh heresy!) in my top five. Love on ya, Susan ****************************************************************************** "What scares you most will set you free"- Robyn Hitchcock sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:10:51 -0400 From: TROYD1@Westat.com (TROYD1) Subject: Rambling stuff Hello All, I haven't posted since before the Great Darkness and thought I should say something before words became foreign and strange things to me, beyond my grasp. I was delighted to read the tales of Bumbershoot, I lived in Seattle for four years in the first half of this decade and I'll admit to getting a little misty-eyed (sniff) when the Crocodile Cafe was mentioned. How I'd love to taste again the mochas at the B&O Cafe and the divine spring rolls at Siam on Broadway. Ummmm... Anyway, as the calendar reads October as I write this, I know that in not too long we'll exchange our best of lists from which I found many delicious things last year. I'm like a little boy waiting for Santa. To comment on some recent threads: I love the Feelies, they're one of the best bands of the 80s, IMO. The Good Earth and Crazy Rhythms are especially good, I think. Hypnotic without being atmospheric, and they feature some really cool rhythm guitar playing. I love the 13th Floor Elevators, particularly the songs on "The Psychedelic Sounds of the ...", though the production, as someone mentioned earlier, is muffled. It sounds like they're recording on voice mail. Syd Barrett: I have some of his stuff, and while I like the songs, I don't listen to them that much. I think I'd prefer to hear cover versions rather than the original recordings, aside from the early PF material. Oh, and as far as Respect goes, I was formally in the group that considered it one of his worst, but now, primarily through the enthusiam of proponents on this list, I've given several more listens and have to come to believe it's the best Egyptian effort outside of Fegmania. I still prefer Eye, though. Sorry for the ramble, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 05:33:32 -0500 From: Nigel.Jarman@frco.com Subject: 'The Clangers' >All this talk about Soup Dragons reminded me of a TV show that I saw >when I lived in England when I was a but a lad. It was about these >little sock critters that lived under the surface of another planet. >And one of the critters was a Soup Dragon who made blue soup. In one >episode, a mechanical chicken invaded their tunnels and made a >nuisance of himself. For the life of me I can't remember the name of >the show or of the critters. Does anyone remember this show or what >it was called? They were called 'The Clangers' They lived in the craters on the moon, which they covered with dustbin lids. What else? Nigel Jarman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:37:35 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: big gathering? >By the way (unrelated to RH)...Here is a question for all Y'uns in the UK. > All this talk about Soup Dragons reminded me of a TV show that I >saw when >I lived in England when I was a but a lad. It was about these little sock >critters that lived under the surface of another planet. And one of the >critters was a Soup Dragon who made blue soup. In one episode, a mechanical >chicken invaded their tunnels and made a nuisance of himself. > For the life of me I can't remember the name of the show or of the >critters. Does anyone remember this show or what it was called? It was The Clangers - and a great show it was, too. Sorry Eb, but I'm going to do it again! Buckeye, me buddy, if you like the Feelies, try the Chills! >A full-blown feg gathering planned >months or years in advance, in some dingy little central US town, equidistant >from everyone. I'm in favour! Honolulu it is, then! James (redefining 'equidistant') James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:38:02 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Eek! Mark G did rhapsodise: >>So, as the story circumambulates and circumlocutes its point, as mine >>have such trouble with that shortest-line geometry, even The Great Quail >>post had to lose out while I listened to James Dignan's _Partial Rapture >>Theory_. I made it through side one before being accosted by people with >>sticks, and I must say I enjoyed it immensely- the tape- I don't like >>being hit with sticks. I want to hear the other side now, perhaps in a >>more neutral environment. I want to listen to what I've heard again. As >>it is, there seems to be no language barrier. James has bell-like rhythm >>guitar style with distinctive vocals and full instrumentation. The music >>resides in an edgy new pop-alternative thing. Some of his lyrical phrases >>sit on that hairline between clever and pop. He has a greater command of >>melody than I. Unless something terrible happens on side two, it is a >>happy happy keeper. The recording quality isn't perfect, but short of >>flying him to the big rubber room at Tigermonkey Studios and placing him >>in one of our isolation booths (yes, our P.O. Box with shipping peanuts >>and strapping tape) we at Tigermonkey have no right to whiiiine.<< Thoughts celerambulate jarringly across by anabatic psyche... how the hell am I supposed to follow that review??? I feel all "aw shucks" and kinda embarrassed that I didn't praise "Monday's Lunch" on the list when I received a copy. The reason for this, however, was quite straightforward - I figured that any Feg worth his/her/its salt would already have a copy of this exquisite CD, so why bother? In case there are some of you out there who have not emailed Mark to send you a copy of yon red-covered piece of aural ambrosia, thou shalt do so this instant! This is not a simple mutual-appreciation-you-praised-me-so-I'll-praise-you act - Rubber Shark's material is seriously good. And if Mark says I've got a better sense of melody than him (which I'd argue), then I will reply by saying that Mark is an excellent songwriter, with a much greater technical ability in his playing than me. And his sense of humour (sorry, he's American - make that humor) shines through, which is more than can be said with most of my songs. From the Hendrix-meets-Fripp drive of "Dinosaur" to the elegant acoustic melancholy of "Another rotten day", this one's a real pearl. Buy! But as for warm Watneys (short for Weak And Tasting Nastier Every Year) - wash your mouth out! (I would if I tasted that!). A nice ice-cold Steinie or a can of Speights is a more likely possibility - we feed the Watneys to the sheep. James (who prefers cider anyway) PS - can I quote you on some of that stuff about the tape, Mark? James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 01:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: CooperTJ@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #21 In a message dated 97-10-01 04:02:27 EDT, M R Godwin > "Fire Engine" was most(?) famously or frequently covered by Television, the late great guitar gods of the NY scene. I can imagine the Soft Boys covering it in my rich musical fantasy life. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:07:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: big gathering? >Sorry Eb, but I'm going to do it again! Buckeye, me buddy, if you like the >Feelies, try the Chills! I adore the Feelies AND the Chills, but no, I don't hear any connection. The Chills are miles and miles more based in melody, and pack about 10 times more chords (not to mention emotion) into their songs than the Feelies. I think the comment you were looking for was "If you like the Feelies, try the Velvet Underground and Yo La Tengo!" ;P Hmmpf. The 30th was my birthday, and I didn't get ANY Feggifts. ;) Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #22 ******************************