From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #21 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 1 1997 Volume 06 : Number 021 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood/Shamen [HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKin] RE: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood [Peter Gordon ] Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... [Stephen Buckalew ] Re: beyond the wildwood (sneaky 0.001% RH) [M R Godwin ] Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) [delavina@juno.com (Christopher A Franz)] Re: "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) [sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain)] Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] I saw Nick Drake... [delavina@juno.com (Christopher A Franz)] Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE/CAROLINE/STATION [nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben)] Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE ["Baker, David(KWI-C09)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:48:18 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood/Shamen Dave B., The first Shamen LP is "Drop" which is excellent. It was their live version of "Long Gone" that got me into Syd. It was when the original guitarist left and was replaced by the bass player (his brother) that they went down hill. The first 3-4 singles are good and I think the second album "In Gorbachev We Trust" is still pretty good. They also covered "Golden Hair" on the second single (7" only) and did an amazing cover of "Fire Engine" by the 13th Floor Elevators. I have to go home and dig out my copy of "Wildwood". It's on vinyl and I think I'm missing a few tracks too. I don't remember hearing RH but then I wasn't listening for him. It's a fairly patchy album but it's worth it for the Mock Turtles "No Good Trying" alone. (H) "Inane quotations are the Bobby Ewing shower scene of e-mail." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:01:37 -0400 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Just a Tuesday morning tidbit... when I saw this in the tracklist for _Beyond The Wildwood_: >17. Gigolo Aunt -- Death Of Samantha I read the names in reverse and immediately thought it was a cover of Yoko Ono's "Death Of Samantha" by the Gigolo Aunts! I think it's time to call the Gigolo Aunts and try to get them to put together a split 7-inch. Not that I expect that they listen to Yoko Ono, but now that Ryko's gone and reissued the Ono catalog in its entirety (Ryko! the Soft Boys' reissues! that qualifies as near-Robyn-content-sort-of-but-not-really! woohooooooo!), they could at least find the song at Best Buy or something. OK, OK, enough of my pre-first-cup-o'-joe rantings. Dolph p.s.: thanks to Eb for the Vic Chesnutt URL -- I finally found out that the amazing Vic song I heard someone cover over a year ago is "Danny Carlisle" from _Little_. I will finally sleep tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:52:08 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Eb wrote: > I've had this album for ages > on tape, and never knew that the CD contained bonus tracks (tracks 15-17 > above). Now I'm bothered that I don't have them, but oh well. Likewise. But on the other hand, the Mock Turtles track is the only song on the album with the true Barrett feel, and presumably tracks left off the album are likely to be worse than those included. Did you ever hear that dreadful version of 'Emily' by David Bowie? - - paleo-Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:24:14 -0800 From: Peter Gordon Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Hello, this is my first posting to you people. I noticed this thread with interest and wondering if anyone could clear up a point for me. I remember, I think, ages ago a friend of mine playing me a live Soft Boys cover of Astronomie Domine, which was from a proper release (I think), but which doesn't seem to have made it into the latest crop of re-releases of archive material. Has my drug befuddled memory hallucinated all this or was it real? As I recall it sounded pretty much identical to the live version on Ummagumma, but as a bit of a Barrett/Hitchcock purist I'd like to try to get it cleared in my head if I can. If it does exist, anyone know of plans to re-release it? ps I really liked Beyond The Wildwood, especially the sleeve notes slagging off Pink Floyd in their later guise. And the TV Personalities cover of Apples and Oranges is rather lovely. Pete Gordon - -- Instant Ubik has all the fresh flavour of just-brewed drip coffee. Your husband will say, Christ Sally, I used to think your coffee was only so-so. But now, WOW! Safe when used as directed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:34:08 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Into the Arms of Soup Dragons..... Just for the record (ouch!) IMHO, Respect is a beautiful album. It is chock full of tasty, nutritious songs. Beyond the criticism of overproduction (which I can live with), I can't understand why this album gets a bad rap. I can understand people thinking some of the material on Perspex Island being weak, (although there are still many gems in there, like "Oceanside" and "Lysander"). But I like almost every song on Respect. "Arms of Love" has a powerful emotional effect on me also, and "Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom" is one of my favorite RH songs. Then again, there are no RH albums that I "dislike". I just like some better than others. By the way (unrelated to RH)...Here is a question for all Y'uns in the UK. All this talk about Soup Dragons reminded me of a TV show that I saw when I lived in England when I was a but a lad. It was about these little sock critters that lived under the surface of another planet. And one of the critters was a Soup Dragon who made blue soup. In one episode, a mechanical chicken invaded their tunnels and made a nuisance of himself. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the show or of the critters. Does anyone remember this show or what it was called? Does anyone else out there dig the Feelies? RH is my favorite, but the Feelies are right up there! They only made four albums, but they are superfine. Finely textured layered guitar drone and masters of the "slow burn." <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: dy288@freenet.carleton.ca (Gregory Watson) Subject: RE: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood > >Speaking of The Shamen, has anyone heard any of their early music? I >have heard that their early albums where excellent, Syd-influenced >psychedelic pop before they transformed into a more acid house version >at the turn of the decade and went onto big (commercial!) success. Any >recommendations/warnings would be appreciated! > >Cheers, >Dave. > ---------- Hi. I have three early Shamen songs on compilation tapes a friend made, and though kinda dancy in the drum department, they are some neat psych pop. The songs I speak of are: "Something About You", "Young 'Til Yesterday", and "Strange Days Dream" (which is like a modern version of The Electric Prunes' "Long Days Flight" IMO). I don't know about "Syd-influenced", but cool psych nonetheless. They did go incredibly dancy later on though. Take it easy, Greg - -- ******** Gregory Watson ******** "I woke up, and my room was all weird; *** dy288@freenet.carleton.ca ** It was everything that I had feared - * www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dy288/ * I had suddenly grown a beard, of bees." ******************************** - "I Woke Up" (The OAM) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:47:46 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: It Sounds Great When You're Mario Wookie Conscious dixit: > what the hell? is this mario 1 or 2 or 3 that we're talking about > because i didn't find anything in mario 1. this topic interested me > far more than it should have, by the way. > > --shane I think the dungeon scenes are in 'Super Mario Bros. 3'. That's the one I used to play quite a bit, so it almost surely has to be that one. Hey, Hey, My, My, - --g "Boy! They were big on crematoriums, weren't they?" - --George Bush, during a tour of Auschwitz, 28 Sept 1987 *************** Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ *************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:08:23 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: beyond the wildwood (sneaky 0.001% RH) On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 HAMISH_SIMPSON@hp-unitedkingdom-om4.om.hp.com wrote: > [The Shamen]> covered "Golden Hair" on the second single (7" only) > and did an amazing cover of "Fire Engine" by the 13th Floor Elevators. "Fire Engine" is a much-covered track. Didn't Patti Smith perform it at one time? And / or the MC5? And / or Richard Hell? The original 13FE album track is pretty muffled, nowhere near as good as "You're Gonna Miss Me", if I remember aright. > [Wildwood] It's a fairly patchy album but > it's worth it for the Mock Turtles "No Good Trying" alone. We're agreed agout that, then... > (H) "Inane quotations are the Bobby Ewing shower scene of e-mail." My current favourite is from last week's T.Rex documentary (which included a contribution from Robyn Hitchcock's ex-manager Peter Jenner): "Every rock star has to go through a fat Elvis period" (B P Fallon) - - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:36:35 cst From: terry_linnig@hccompare.com Subject: Re: Hitchcock & Rew (thinly veiled attempt to gloat about my In an equally weak attempt to pat myself on the back regarding my fantasy baseball team's 4th place finish, "Hitchcock's" ballooning era probably cost me 3rd place. I "Rew" the day I drafted him. I need coffee!!! go cubs Guntarski ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Hitchcock & Rew (thinly veiled attempt to gloat about my tea Author: Russ Reynolds at smtpgate Date: 9/29/97 9:48 AM At the Giants game Saturday, while Padres pitcher Sterling HITCHCOCK was taking his warm ups between innings the sound system blasted "Walking on Sunshine", a song written by Kimberley REW. is that eerie or what? no? well, then I'll just mention that the Giants won the NL west and sign off. - -rr oh, and for the 98% of you who don't care I'll add that Respect kicks Eye's ass.and--with the possible exception of BSDR--is probably Robyn's post-SB masterpiece. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:27:10 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Rains to quench the Drought of Cones August's dearth of cones has now finally come to a ceremonious close. Mr. Rock 'N' Roll has sprung up in our midst after travelling a long and circuitous route from a small, quaintly lit table at the House Of Blues in Chicago, where it was purchased rather slickly by one Ms. Jill M. Harris. Come gaze in wonderment and sheer exhuberance. http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:06:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: ASTRONOMY DOMINE somebody asked which Soft Boys release this came out on and I don't think I've seen an answer come across yet. It was on the "Two halves for the price of one" album, and I think it may be on the Ryko compilation set. - -St. Naig (Og) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:23:20 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE >somebody asked which Soft Boys release this came out on and I don't think >I've seen an answer come across yet. > >It was on the "Two halves for the price of one" album, and I think it may be >on the Ryko compilation set. it's also the first song on the INVISIBLE HISTORY compilation. a live version. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:14:54 EDT From: delavina@juno.com (Christopher A Franz) Subject: Re: "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) I said: > Odds&Ends (?) > damp> and Mike Godwin shone a light through the darkness with: >My guess is that 'Odds and Ends' is actually the song off The Basement >Tapes (Bob Dylan and the Band) which has the giveaway title:=20 > "Clothes Line Saga" > by Bob Dylan. Album: The Basement Tapes I'm pretty sure you're right. The lyrics might not be quite the conclusive proof you may have envisioned, though. See, near the end of the song, Robyn and Scott clearly forgot the words, so they stopped and got in a conversation with the audience about how it ended. Robyn asked if the clothes dried, and someone said the song ended first. So they sprang back into action, Robyn making up an ending resembling "they went inside and sat on a ramp / so we'll end this song while the clothes are still damp!" Brilliant. So one mystery solved. But I _meant_ that to indicate two songs: one with the line "Odds & ends / lost time is not found again" in the chorus, plus the clothes line one. Does that ring any bells to those more musically literate than I? - --Chris BTW, on a recent trip to LA (where I incidentally found the CD reissues of BOTH of New Musik's albums, which were only pressed in France; oh happy day!) I also stumbled across an old Trouser Press mag with a review of the (then) new Kimberley Rew album, "The Bible of Bop." Is it worth trying to transcribe this? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:08:38 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (amadain) Subject: Re: "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) >So one mystery solved. But I _meant_ that to indicate two songs: one >with the line "Odds & ends / lost time is not found again" in the chorus, >plus the clothes line one. Does that ring any bells to those more >musically literate than I? "Odds and Ends". Same album as "Clothesline Saga", that is to say, the wonderfully marvellous "Basement Tapes". Love on ya, Susan ****************************************************************************** "What scares you most will set you free"- Robyn Hitchcock sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:11:41 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE >somebody asked which Soft Boys release this came out on and I don't think >I've seen an answer come across yet. > >It was on the "Two halves for the price of one" album, and I think it may be >on the Ryko compilation set. > >-St. Naig (Og) The Syd Barrett song on Ryko's "1976-81" is "Baby Lemonade", not "Astronomy Domine". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:15:47 EDT From: delavina@juno.com (Christopher A Franz) Subject: I saw Nick Drake... ... he was on the cover of an old Trouser Press mag. So I pushed him aside, dusted it off, and found... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- KIMBERLEY REW The Bible of Bop Armalanta BOP 1 We might as well start with the Soft Boys, as Kimberley Rew did. Had they wangled a Stateside record deal and attracted attention, they doubtless would have attracted the psychedelic-revival label as well and been lumped together with the mediocre likes of the Psychedelic Furs. As it turned out, they didn't even get that far -- but they did get far enough to record three albums and a slew of singles that legitimized their love for the crimson streak of intensity that ran through the best mid-60's pop. Rew's and fellow Soft Boy Robyn Hitchcock's affinity for Syd-era Pink Floyd and the early Byrds was more than a pasing [sic] fancy. It was an obsession. The Soft Boys broke up a few years ago following a more or less ignored American visit. Hitchcock, the band's maniacal frontman and songwriting mainstay, has graduated to a solo career that so far has produced two albums. Rew, meanwhile, has recorded several 45s of his own material with various units, and this 45-rpm 12-incher collects most of them for American consumption via Armalanta, the U.S. arm of Armageddon. Comparisons will inevitably be made to Robyn Hitchcock, whose surreal wit, distinctive voice, and burgeoning creativity make him a tough competitor for anyone. Perhaps anticipating this, Rew writes simply and sings with unpolished sincerity. That almost singleminded unpretentiousness makes him shine, whether he goes the my-girl's-the-best route ("Stomping All Over the World") or ventures into the brave new world of emotion-charged candor ("Fighting Someone's War"). Like Hitchcock, Rew cut his first solo material with other Soft Boys in attendance but has gone on to mingle with new people. Three cuts recall his work with the dB's, who provide a professional sheen and an Americanized perspective of Soft Boy sources (making the traditional "Walking in the Dew" an odd match of Brit material and Yank band). "Nightmare" and "Hey, War Pig!" represent Rew's most recent sessions with the Waves (the other Waves single, "Brown Eyed Son"/"She Loves to Groove," is absent). Throughout, Rew maintains his presence with a subtle glow in the guitar and unvarnished simplicity (and occasional straining) in the voice. Having done his homework, Rew stands poised to strike again with the Waves' upcoming LP. The legacy of the Soft Boys will give him something to live up to, and their fate, something to try to avoid. - --Matty Groves =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trouser Press Collectors' Magazine Jan./Feb. 1983 Issue #27 reprinted without permission ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:18:07 -0500 From: nicastr@IDT.NET (Ben) Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE/CAROLINE/STATION >>The Syd Barrett song on Ryko's "1976-81" is "Baby Lemonade", not >"Astronomy >>Domine". > >I'm at work so I don't have it on me but I'm sure the Syd Barrett song >on '1976-1981' was "Gigalo Aunt". A pity, because I would be much more >interested in hearing the two mentioned above! > >Dave. > >Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 You are right, my mistake! I got them confused. Speaking of this compilation, on what Velvet Underground/Lou Reed album does "Caroline Says" appear? Also, in the booklet Robyn mentions that the Soft Boys used to do a cover of David Bowie's "Station to Station". Has anyone heard their version? How is it? - -Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:55:00 +0800 From: "Baker, David(KWI-C09)" Subject: Re: ASTRONOMY DOMINE >The Syd Barrett song on Ryko's "1976-81" is "Baby Lemonade", not "Astronomy >Domine". I'm at work so I don't have it on me but I'm sure the Syd Barrett song on '1976-1981' was "Gigalo Aunt". A pity, because I would be much more interested in hearing the two mentioned above! Dave. Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #21 ******************************