From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #20 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 30 1997 Volume 06 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "Say, that's too bad" [M R Godwin ] "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) [M R Godwin ] Re: yet another Bumbershoot tale [mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.)] Find out what it means to me [Natalie Jacobs ] Supergrass [mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.)] Hitchcock & Rew (thinly veiled attempt to gloat about my team) [Russ Reyn] the braggster [misplaced joan of arc ] Re: you gotta try this! [Tom Clark ] Attn Glass Flesh lovers... [Eb ] Very, *very* first Hitchcock connection ["Daniel Saunders" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:27:19 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: "Say, that's too bad" On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Christopher A Franz wrote: > But the Two Bells surprise gig made up for it. I don't think anybody > tried to come up with a full setlist for that; here's my best guess: >=20 > Odds&Ends (?) > damp> My guess is that 'Odds and Ends' is actually the song off The Basement Tapes (Bob Dylan and the Band) which is called:=20 =20 "Clothes Line Saga" by Bob Dylan. Album: The Basement Tapes =A9 1969,1975 Dwarf Music=20 from http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/clothes_line_saga.html After a while we took in the clothes, Nobody said very much. Just some old wild shirts and a couple pairs of pants Which nobody really wanted to touch. Mama come in and picked up a book An' Papa asked her what it was. Someone else asked, "What do you care?" Papa said, "Well, just because." Then they started to take back their clothes, Hang 'em on the line. It was January the thirtieth And everybody was feelin' fine. The next day everybody got up Seein' if the clothes were dry. The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed, Mama, of course, she said, "Hi!" "Have you heard the news?" he said, with a grin, "The Vice-President's gone mad!" "Where?" "Downtown." "When?" "Last night." "Hmm, say, that's too bad!" "Well, there's nothin' we can do about it," said the neighbor, "It's just somethin' we're gonna have to forget." "Yes, I guess so," said Ma, Then she asked me if the clothes was still wet. I reached up, touched my shirt, And the neighbor said, "Are those clothes yours?" I said, "Some of 'em, not all of 'em." He said, "Ya always help out around here with the chores?" I said, "Sometime, not all the time." Then my neighbor, he blew his nose Just as papa yelled outside, "Mama wants you t' come back in the house and bring them clothes." Well, I just do what I'm told, So, I did it, of course. I went back in the house and Mama met me And then I shut all the doors. - - paleo-Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:43:30 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: "Say, that's too bad" (fwd) [2nd attempt to send - first one failed] On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Christopher A Franz wrote: > Odds&Ends (?) > damp> My guess is that 'Odds and Ends' is actually the song off The Basement Tapes (Bob Dylan and the Band) which has the giveaway title:=20 =20 "Clothes Line Saga" by Bob Dylan. Album: The Basement Tapes =A9 1969,1975 Dwarf Music=20 from http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/clothes_line_saga.html After a while we took in the clothes, Nobody said very much. Just some old wild shirts and a couple pairs of pants Which nobody really wanted to touch. Mama come in and picked up a book An' Papa asked her what it was. Someone else asked, "What do you care?" Papa said, "Well, just because." Then they started to take back their clothes, Hang 'em on the line. It was January the thirtieth And everybody was feelin' fine. The next day everybody got up Seein' if the clothes were dry. The dogs were barking, a neighbor passed, Mama, of course, she said, "Hi!" "Have you heard the news?" he said, with a grin, "The Vice-President's gone mad!" "Where?" "Downtown." "When?" "Last night." "Hmm, say, that's too bad!" "Well, there's nothin' we can do about it," said the neighbor, "It's just somethin' we're gonna have to forget." "Yes, I guess so," said Ma, Then she asked me if the clothes was still wet. I reached up, touched my shirt, And the neighbor said, "Are those clothes yours?" I said, "Some of 'em, not all of 'em." He said, "Ya always help out around here with the chores?" I said, "Sometime, not all the time." Then my neighbor, he blew his nose Just as papa yelled outside, "Mama wants you t' come back in the house and bring them clothes." Well, I just do what I'm told, So, I did it, of course. I went back in the house and Mama met me And then I shut all the doors. - - paleo-Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:52:58 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: yet another Bumbershoot tale Carole Reichstein wrote: > This brings up an interesting thread...how much money/prawns/flan would a > Feg have to pay Robyn for a personal concert, like for a birthday or just > a big party? You know what would really be awesome? A full-blown feg gathering planned months or years in advance, in some dingy little central US town, equidistant from everyone. Twenty, thirty, a hundred of us would slowly descend on this sleeply oasis, book up all the hotel rooms and have a massive blow-out drunken "Eye" playin' weekend. And we'd all chip in and actually fly Robyn out just for our private party. We'd set him up a small amp in the town square and sit around in huge circles, every single one of us motionless as we taped. Susan from The Netherlands would be there with her camcorder. James Dignan (I know it's a long way, but just flow with the idea...) and Mark Gloster would do duets with the man. We'd all do a rousing inebriated "Viva Sea-Tac". Robyn would whip out an indelible black marker and "cone-ize" the decaying statue of Robert E. Lee. The country police would drive by and break the whole thing up and little old ladies would stare out of those old melting glass windows in the bakery across the street. Saturday night we'd commandeer the friendly neighborhood bar and Robyn would play until dawn. He'd get super trashed like the rest of us and do these long slurring Dylan songs completely out of tune. Sunday night we'd all drive him out to the airport and wave as he flew back to the Isle of Wight. That would be cool. Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:33:31 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Find out what it means to me So all of you guys - well, some of you - a few - told me to go buy "Respect." I did. I am listening to it now (for the second time). And gosh darn it, I like it. I know Robyn didn't like the big production and all of that, but it's done well, only occasionally detracts from the songs, and the arrangements are tasty. The material is strong, too - "Arms of Love" (which I've heard before in a stripped-down live version) still makes me cry. And for the record, I like "Wafflehead." Though I do think it sort of belongs on a different album... I was woken this morning by my radio alarm playing "Heliotrope" - just for me, I presume. Later on, as I was driving to work, a station promo came on: "Hi, this is Billy Bragg, and you're listening to WCBN, and they tell me everything is really cool here." Indeed. n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:34:48 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Supergrass Anyone out there wanna give me a quick and dirty on this band? What do they sound like, where are they from, influences, history, etc? Email me off list. Much appreciated, Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:48:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Hitchcock & Rew (thinly veiled attempt to gloat about my team) At the Giants game Saturday, while Padres pitcher Sterling HITCHCOCK was taking his warm ups between innings the sound system blasted "Walking on Sunshine", a song written by Kimberley REW. is that eerie or what? no? well, then I'll just mention that the Giants won the NL west and sign off. - -rr oh, and for the 98% of you who don't care I'll add that Respect kicks Eye's ass.and--with the possible exception of BSDR--is probably Robyn's post-SB masterpiece. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: misplaced joan of arc Subject: the braggster Carole Reichstein aforementioned: >When I saw Billy Bragg w/Robyn last November, Billy griped about watching >Canadian television & hearing that Bob Dylan tune for a bank commercial. >However, he did enjoy watching Winnie the Pooh on Canadian TV much more >than following the US Presidential election. Whenever I hear anyone, from other cities, talk about this Billy Bragg show and his clever between-song-banter, they always mention the SAME topics: the Canadian Winnie the Pooh Stamps, the Bob Dylan bank scandal, the question "What is a Wonderwall?" Geez, was he reading from a script? Does this bother anyone else? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 11:44:58 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: you gotta try this! On 9/28/97 1:29 PM, Eddie Tews wrote: >>Um Eddie, for those of us outside the U.S./Canada and/or have no >>television could you enlighten us as to what Bowie is being for what >>by Microsoft? I'm a big Bowie fan and this news clip comes as a total >>shock to me - can you fill me in (either on this list or in private)? >i don't know any details of the campaign or anything. like, how they >used Start Me Up to sell Windows '95. i don't know if they're doing >anything like that for Memphis, or what. >but, i just saw some MicroSatan commercial the other night, with >"Heroes" playing under the "action." i don't even remember what the >"action" was. bunch of fucking idiots running around saving the world >or something. man, that was so depressing. The commercial shows a large truck manufacturing company (Peterbuilt, I think) and how great their operation runs with M$ software controlling everything. It's pretty sad, actually, considering the product they're advertising is probably the weakest link in the entire operation. Advice: Don't buy Peterbuilt stock, but DO buy stock in the consulting company they've hired to keep their IS system up and running! Of course I'm in no way biased... - -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://u2.netgate.net/~tclark http://twentiethanniversary.apple.com/ Order Yours Today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:18:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Attn Glass Flesh lovers... I noticed today that my favorite Vic Chesnutt site (http://www.geocities.com/~wolf-eyes/v_main.html) gives a nod to Glass Flesh, and links to Woj's site. If you're curious, go to the above and click on "Side Projects." Just thought you might liketa know. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Saunders" Subject: Very, *very* first Hitchcock connection I just realized something when I read Russ Reynold's post about the Giants game. When I was very young I used to watch a show called "Vid Kids", where, as far as I can remember, these preteens hung around a bar and watched music videos played by this sleazy older guy. It was a long time ago. This show was a big influence on me, especially the occasionally appearing character of Computer Man, the alter ego of the bartender. He even had a theme song, which has stayed with me to this day. Anyways, the only real song I remember from that show (I have vague hallucinatory memories of seeing Sweet Dreams on there, but that seems unlikely) was, you guessed it, Walking On Sunshine, by Kimberley And the Waves. Many years before I'd ever heard of Robyn Hitchcock, or even Pink Floyd for that matter. I just thought I'd share that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:46:00 +0800 From: "Baker, David(KWI-C09)" Subject: RE: Very, *very* first Hitchcock connection Daniel Saunders wrote: >it, Walking On Sunshine, by Kimberley And the Waves. Many years before I'd I think that the band is known as Katrina and the Waves in the less Soft Boy-obsessed outside world! :) Dave. Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:33:09 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Hi all, I have a question that I hope one of you wonderfully well-informed fegs will be able to answer... I bought a cd back in 1988 called *Beyond The Wildwood -- A Tribute To Syd Barrett* on Imaginary Records...part of the Communion Label out of Atlanta, Georgia. Someone had told me that Robyn did a cover on this album...under an 'assumed name'... Does anyone have this cd? I've listened to it so many times and I still can't figure out if RH is on it, or if the whole story is a fairytale of some sort... I will list off the tracks in case anyone has any comments/suggestions as to which group might be Robyn's...some are bands I/we know...but I'll write down all 17 just for fun and finger exercise... 1. No Good Trying -- The Mock Turtles 2. Octopus -- Plasticland 3. Arnold Layne -- SS-20 4. Matilda Mother -- Paul Roland 5. Long Cold Look -- Fit and Limo 6. Long Gone -- The Shamen 7. If the Sun Don't Shine (Adaptation of Jugband Blues) -- Opal 8. Baby Lemonade -- The Ashes In The Morning 9. Wolfpack -- The Lobster Quadrille 10. Golden Hair -- The Paint Set 11. No Man's Land -- Tropicana Fishtank 12. Apples and Oranges -- The T.V. Personalities 13. Two Of A Kind -- The Soup Dragons 14. Scream Thy Last Scream -- The Green Telescope 15. See Emily Play -- The Chemistry Set 16. Rats -- What Noise 17. Gigolo Aunt -- Death Of Samantha Any info on any of the bands would be muchly appreciated by me...even if it's about The Soup Dragons... :) fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *there is only this one moment and you've got to make it last* - RH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Well, I know that Opal is Dave Roback and Kendra Smith, which means that it's halfway between Rain Parade and Mazzy Star. The Shamen and TV Personalities are real bands w/ other releases. If Robyn is on the album, he isn't: The Shamen, Opal, The TV Personalities, What Noise, or Death of Samatha.. (I can't find my copy, so I can't say..) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:03:02 -0700 From: Mark rubber shark guy Gloster Subject: Partially (1/2 so far) Raptured in theory... So I got up and decided to stay home late. Someone called and came over. I hung out for a while. I then went to the Tigermonkey Records business suite. I went to sit down at my desk and remembered that my business "suite" is actually only a tiny P.O. box. But hey, there was something inside. Was it a tiny antique roll-top desk with a brass lamp with a green shade? Was it a badly mangled package containing the players and coaches of the Dallas Cowboys and all of their paraphernalia required for them to ingest controlled substances? Well, no it wasn't either of those, but they were really nice guesses. It was a tape from a far off land that most American children believe to be somewhere near Vermont or Vermooth. Otherwise known as New Zealand, where people brave the effects of gravity from the bottom side of the globe and drink Watneys warm and eat Vegemite sandwiches because they are seven percent tougher than we brittle yankees. They know they're tougher than we are, and they know that that stuff tastes awful, but they do it anyway. They like sheep and they ride them to school while they get advanced degrees and make music. They also record their music on cassettes (named after Mama Cass's daughter). I ran to the car with my new tape and raced to work. I fended off the thrusts of my coworkers who were valiantly attempting to drive me into a work frenzy, empowering me to do their jobs for them. No. Today I had my limits. I put _Partial Rapture Theory_ by James Dignan (yes, OUR handsome devil, James Dignan) into my tape deck and waited for sound to come into my headphones. I began scanning fegland for all the hot stuff that people were writing. I opened a Quail memo, but was unable to read it as the music began. I have found it impossible to comprehend Quail while listening to music that required brain cell activity of the listener. Maybe that's one of those multiprocessing timing interrupt thingies that cause the asynchronous ROM difibulator to bendix the catheterized coprocessor to RAM the crystal oscillator to bits of bytes. So, as the story circumambulates and circumlocutes its point, as mine have such trouble with that shortest-line geometry, even The Great Quail post had to lose out while I listened to James Dignan's _Partial Rapture Theory_. I made it through side one before being accosted by people with sticks, and I must say I enjoyed it immensely- the tape- I don't like being hit with sticks. I want to hear the other side now, perhaps in a more neutral environment. I want to listen to what I've heard again. As it is, there seems to be no language barrier. James has bell-like rhythm guitar style with distinctive vocals and full instrumentation. The music resides in an edgy new pop-alternative thing. Some of his lyrical phrases sit on that hairline between clever and pop. He has a greater command of melody than I. Unless something terrible happens on side two, it is a happy happy keeper. The recording quality isn't perfect, but short of flying him to the big rubber room at Tigermonkey Studios and placing him in one of our isolation booths (yes, our P.O. Box with shipping peanuts and strapping tape) we at Tigermonkey have no right to whiiiine. I managed to read most of those posts while someone was drifting in and out, thinking I'm actually working on simulating the quantum spitflication of orbital nanohenry and millivanillages on etched circuit conductor thingies. Sorry about the tech talk, but you asked. Oh, sorry, no you didn't ask. I'm lying again. I really must stop that. James, another coworker of mine sold me his brand new CD today. I threw it on the pile to listen to after PRT. Thank you for your music James, and for your indulgence all. - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:14:00 +0800 From: "Baker, David(KWI-C09)" Subject: RE: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood I was pretty sure that I read somewhere that Robyn decided not to contribute to this album based on some kind of principle, but I could be wrong there. I do know of the TV Personalities (an excellent band who have released a song called 'I Know Where Syd Barrett Lives'), Opal, The Mock Turtles, Plasticland, The Shamen, The Chemistry Set, The Paint Set (who I think became something else) and of course The Soup Dragons, although I'm sure some of the other names are alias's. Speaking of The Shamen, has anyone heard any of their early music? I have heard that their early albums where excellent, Syd-influenced psychedelic pop before they transformed into a more acid house version at the turn of the decade and went onto big (commercial!) success. Any recommendations/warnings would be appreciated! Cheers, Dave. ---------- From: twofangs/randi spiegel To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Date: Tuesday, 30 September 1997 10:33AM Hi all, I have a question that I hope one of you wonderfully well-informed fegs will be able to answer... I bought a cd back in 1988 called *Beyond The Wildwood -- A Tribute To Syd Barrett* on Imaginary Records...part of the Communion Label out of Atlanta, Georgia. Someone had told me that Robyn did a cover on this album...under an 'assumed name'... Does anyone have this cd? I've listened to it so many times and I still can't figure out if RH is on it, or if the whole story is a fairytale of some sort... I will list off the tracks in case anyone has any comments/suggestions as to which group might be Robyn's...some are bands I/we know...but I'll write down all 17 just for fun and finger exercise... 1. No Good Trying -- The Mock Turtles 2. Octopus -- Plasticland 3. Arnold Layne -- SS-20 4. Matilda Mother -- Paul Roland 5. Long Cold Look -- Fit and Limo 6. Long Gone -- The Shamen 7. If the Sun Don't Shine (Adaptation of Jugband Blues) -- Opal 8. Baby Lemonade -- The Ashes In The Morning 9. Wolfpack -- The Lobster Quadrille 10. Golden Hair -- The Paint Set 11. No Man's Land -- Tropicana Fishtank 12. Apples and Oranges -- The T.V. Personalities 13. Two Of A Kind -- The Soup Dragons 14. Scream Thy Last Scream -- The Green Telescope 15. See Emily Play -- The Chemistry Set 16. Rats -- What Noise 17. Gigolo Aunt -- Death Of Samantha Any info on any of the bands would be muchly appreciated by me...even if it's about The Soup Dragons... :) fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *there is only this one moment and you've got to make it last* - RH Alcoa of Australia Ltd ACN 004 879 298 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:42:22 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: RE: syd and robyn - beyond the wildwood Terrence M Marks wrote: > > Well, I know that Opal is Dave Roback and Kendra Smith, which means > that it's halfway between Rain Parade and Mazzy Star. > The Shamen and TV Personalities are real bands w/ other releases. > If Robyn is on the album, he isn't: > The Shamen, Opal, The TV Personalities, What Noise, or Death of > Samantha.. Hi again, I know the Soup Dragons (obviously:)) are a band...as is (I think) Plasticland and SS-20...and *I* even have albums by Opal, Rain Parade and Mazzy Star... Thanks for your quick response Terrence...maybe this will work by process of elimination.... :) fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock *there is only this one moment and you've got to make it last* - RH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:42:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: syd & robyn - beyond the wildwood Two Fangs punctured: >I bought a cd back in 1988 called *Beyond The Wildwood -- A Tribute To >Syd Barrett* on Imaginary Records...part of the Communion Label out of >Atlanta, Georgia. >Someone had told me that Robyn did a cover on this album...under an >'assumed name'... I think you have this confused with Time Between, the BYRDS tribute on Communion. That DOES have an incognito Robyn appearance, right everyone? With Nigel & The Crosses on "Wild Mountain Thyme?" >I will list off the tracks in case anyone has any comments/suggestions >as to which group might be Robyn's...some are bands I/we know...but I'll >write down all 17 just for fun and finger exercise... > >1. No Good Trying -- The Mock Turtles >2. Octopus -- Plasticland >3. Arnold Layne -- SS-20 >4. Matilda Mother -- Paul Roland >5. Long Cold Look -- Fit and Limo >6. Long Gone -- The Shamen >7. If the Sun Don't Shine (Adaptation of Jugband Blues) -- Opal >8. Baby Lemonade -- The Ashes In The Morning >9. Wolfpack -- The Lobster Quadrille >10. Golden Hair -- The Paint Set >11. No Man's Land -- Tropicana Fishtank >12. Apples and Oranges -- The T.V. Personalities >13. Two Of A Kind -- The Soup Dragons >14. Scream Thy Last Scream -- The Green Telescope >15. See Emily Play -- The Chemistry Set >16. Rats -- What Noise >17. Gigolo Aunt -- Death Of Samantha You know, I'm glad you exercised your fingers. I've had this album for ages on tape, and never knew that the CD contained bonus tracks (tracks 15-17 above). Now I'm bothered that I don't have them, but oh well. How are those tracks, anyway? Strange that "See Emily Play" would be a bonus track, given the fact that it's such a classic Syd/Floyd song.... Beyond the more well-known Opal and Soup Dragons, I'd like to recommend Plasticland from the above list. They had three records on Pink Dust, Restless' "psychedelic" imprint of the late '80s, and they're all surprisingly neato. Especially the final one, Salon. The TV Personalities did some nice stuff too, though I can't explain why some folks utterly worship them. I believe that the band recently broke up for good, after quite a long career on the fringes. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #20 ******************************