From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V6 #15 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 25 1997 Volume 06 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! [M R Godwin ] bass for your face [kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander)] Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! [M R Godwin ] Re: Robyn on Piano [Carole Reichstein ] Re: Much better now, thanks! [Eb ] Re: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) [Eb ] Ralph, hand me the heartless children of the Dead [The Great Quail ] Re: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #14 [dwdudic@erols.com (Nobody)] Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!! [Gregory Stuart Shell ] MP3 [Ferris ] Make Me Smile, Monty [Ferris ] Re: Robyn on Piano [upstart@portal.ca (Renee Lynn)] RE: The Full Monty [Chris ] Re: (Fwd) RH Chronology [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:14:51 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! I thought 'Respect' was a noticeable return to songwriting form after the tedium of PI. Although I rather enjoy 'Oceanside', there are just not enuff quality songs on 'Perspex'. On the perennial Seligman vs Metcalf debate, I think it comes down to whether you prefer 'Underwater Moontlight' or 'Element of Light'. I don't agree that UM is at all a typical Soft Boys album - much more than any other Soft Boys release, it sounds to me like Hitchcock on top songwriting form with a backing band. Whereas 'Element of Light' is a super band playing at their peak in a decent recording studio (I'm talking about the original 10-track LP, not re-releases with extra demos and bonus CD tracks here). 'Lady Waters', for instance, is a fairly monotonous folk-type melody which is transformed into something quite extraordinary by the quality of the musicianship and arrangement. - - hssmrg PS to Susan: _Two_ virtuosi in the Who? Moon, yes, but who is the other one? Entwistle is one of those rock solid unobtrusive players, so it can't be him - and I'd hardly call microphone-twirling a Grade 8 activity, so that rules out Daltrey. You can't mean Dave Davies clone Peter Townshend, can you? (For years I thought he wrote "Nothing gets in my way, not even hot dogs...") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 15:58:28 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: Bass (not the fish) Fegs all, Just thought I'd throw in my opinions of the bass player debate, seeing as how I am one. > Nothing against Andy, but I've always felt the best rock bassists > were the ones you didn't notice. Jaco Pastorias could kick both of > their asses in a bass-off but I wouldn't want him in my rock band. I'm always disturbed by this sort of comment. I don't understand why the bass guitar is somehow less "relevant" than the other instruments. There are some situations where quiet, subtle playing enhances the overall sound, but that isn't restricted to the bass. Personally I would hold QE up rather than EoL as an example of strong bass. The flowing fretless lines really stand out and play a bit part in the overall effect. What about some of XTC songs, e.g. Mayor of Simpleton, where Colin Moulding's lines define the songs more than the other instruments. Saying that the bass should have a predefined place is just encouraging formulaic music and stifling originality. Who's going to say Primus would sound better if the bass wasn't so loud? You may not like the music but you can't deny it's the bass that defines it. > I've always found Lou Reed's bassists rather distracting and a > bit grating, and Reed favors a similar high-range, fretless sound to > that used by Andy.... Fernando Saunders is another great bassist with an original, distinctive sound. Isn't it that that we fear rather than the style itself; the fact that it's different from the "norm". > Well, this is one of those age-old debates: whether virtuoso players > help or hinder in rock and roll. I agree, but virtuoso guitarists are no more or less crass and irritating than virtuoso bass players. It's all a case of being appropriate for the context. > There's really no room for a virtuoso player in a band like the > Kinks, on the other hand, there was room enough for two virtuosos in > the Who. Imagine Keith Moon on the VGPS album- er no, bad news. But > on Who Sell Out- excellent stuff. Only two virtuosos in the Who? You don't rate Townshend then? The Who had plenty space for THREE virtuosos. Listen to "Live at Leeds". Unfortunately John Entwistle didn't do so good in the studio mixes, but his playing was stunning and appropriate. How else do you sustain the song while the guitarist goes off on a big solo? What about Cream? I suppose Clapton was the talent, eh? I think not!!! 'nuff said. (Bobby Ewing) NP - "The Spice Girls sing the songs of Napalm Death" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 16:03:10 +0100 From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Subject: While you were sleeping Fegs all, Since I was bored during the lightning strike recovery, I thought of an RH to Neil Young (you know, the diverse one). Have we done that before? RH -> Anthony Thistlethwaite (GD) AT -> Karl Wallinger (Waterboys) KW -> Chris Sharrock (World Party) CS -> Ian McNabb (Icicle Works) IM -> Ralph Molina & Billy Talbot (Ian's last solo album) RM&BT -> Neil (Crazy Horse) You might need an extra step, since I can't swear that 'Tone and Karl were in the Waterboys simultaneously, but add Mike Scott if you're feeling picky. (H) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > > PS to Susan: _Two_ virtuosi in the Who? Moon, yes, but who is the other > one? Entwistle is one of those rock solid unobtrusive players, so it can't > be him - and I'd hardly call microphone-twirling a Grade 8 activity, so > that rules out Daltrey. You can't mean Dave Davies clone Peter Townshend, > can you? (For years I thought he wrote "Nothing gets in my way, not even > hot dogs...") Mike, We *are* talking about the same John Entwistle, aren't we? The one that played on actual WHO records (not one of the Quail's Entwistle stunt doubles)? Unobtrusive? That's like saying that Robyn once mentioned seafood or insects. When was the last time you listened to Quadrophenia? Wait a minute!!! Now I've got it -- this isn't the real Mike -- it's one of the Quail's impersonators! Let me compliment Mr. Qlone on his taste in Kinks guitarists, although I also disagree with his assessment that PT is a Dave clone -- Pete's got plenty of problems, but in my opinion sounding like Dave isn't one of them. (By the way, I've got a GREAT tape of Dave Davies live at Luna Park if anyone's interested in trading.) Eric (I Am Not Susan but took the liberty of answering before she did) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:04:27 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: bass for your face sorry, but i consider andy to be a virtuoso. the man can play! i'm glad that he did the production work he did on _element of light_. the sound on that album is impressive and many times his playing lifts and carries you through the song. what would 'lady waters and the hooded one' be without the cascading bass lines? lets give thanks for all of those bass players that defy the conception that they need to just keep time in the rhythm section. >I thought 'Respect' was a noticeable return to songwriting form after the >tedium of PI. Although I rather enjoy 'Oceanside', there are just not >enuff quality songs on 'Perspex'. says you. i think this a great album with more than a couple of "quality songs". > _Two_ virtuosi in the Who? Moon, yes, but who is the other >one? Entwistle is one of those rock solid unobtrusive players, so it can't >be him - and I'd hardly call microphone-twirling a Grade 8 activity, so >that rules out Daltrey. You can't mean Dave Davies clone Peter Townshend, >can you? what does conspicuousness necessarily have to do with skill? and come on! pete townshend is exactly that: a virtuoso! lots of experimentation with different guitar techniques and sounds qualify him, not to mention his impressive songwriting and conceptual developments. i'll bet you think the beatles were a decent cover band. speaking of which, paulie did a lot to carve out new territory for bass players in mainstream music. >> I've always found Lou Reed's bassists rather distracting and a >> bit grating, and Reed favors a similar high-range, fretless sound to >> that used by Andy.... > > Fernando Saunders is another great bassist with an original, > distinctive sound. Isn't it that that we fear rather than the style > itself; the fact that it's different from the "norm". here here! fernando can make sounds come out of his bass that you never thought could. seeing lou's band live is quite an experience. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! I could undestand not wanting to include the Rhino bonus demos as part of Element of Light proper, but why exclude the CD bonus tracks? (The Crawling, The Leopard, The Black Crow Knows, Tell me about your Drugs) For me, the album wouldn't be the same without The Leopard, and I think that that arpeggiated keyboard thing is .... well, the album wouldn't be the same without it. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:20:03 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Much better now, thanks! Well it took a while to get up to speed, but the feglist is back to cruising altitude and we can all unfasten our seatbelts and walk about the cabin. Why look, there's the real Quail (or is that only his reflection?), paleo-Mike, the human mellotron, lady Susan of amadain, lj, Dolph, Hal, Russ and tc, Renee, Eb and even the good old guambat. And look at the subjects: Respect sucks, trilobites, Robyn's shirts, and loads of completely unrelated bands and musicians. I do indeed feel *much* better now. Welcome aboard Saul, you've come to the right place. Post early and often. Someone will be along with the beverages in a minute (..probably Glen with a fresh-brewed mossy liquor, if I know my Fegs!). Capuchin: Loved the Bumbershoot epic - made me feel like I was there. Maybe writing should be your new career. Seriously. Eb said: He must be thinking of "Make Me Smile [Come Up and See Me]," by Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel. I'm not sure if this song is new or not -- Huh? *That's* a blast from the past! This is one of those things my little sister used to bop to in the 70's. Typical of the time, more fashion victims than actual musicians. Rest assured this sounds *nothing* like our boy! Back me up on this one ...Mike? OK. The picture is going wavy. Blurring. Strange music is playing. We're slipping back in time.... This looks like the post I sent just as the old feg list died... Dateline Friday, August 22, 11:01 am 1997 +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ And in other news tonight... 1) Robyn gives flamingo a wooden leg! OK. OK. It's a different Robyn (female, even), but it still struck me a sufficiently surrealistic to have come from *our* Robyn - except this is true... > A pink flamingo at Lincoln Park Zoo stood up Thursday on what was > thought to be the first artificial leg ever fitted to one of the > exotic birds. The flamingo, known only as B9720, shattered his left > leg in an unknown mishap in the zoo exhibit where he lives with 15 > other flamingos on the Lake Michigan shore. The damaged leg had to be > amputated above the joint -- a trauma that might have doomed the > long-limbed wader. But zoo chief veterinarian Robyn Barbiers decided > that, rather than kill 6-pound B9720, she would try to save him. 2) Robyn (Hitchcock this time) is officially "alternative": Just got the usual snail mail spam from BMG - you know, one of those "clubs" where you get some number of free CDs and then they send you stuff you don't want every month at full price. They usually play pretty safe and concentrate on mainstream artists they know they can sell in volume (Kenny G is in the "jazz" category! yuk!). All the album choices are represented by little stickers of the album covers which you're supposed to tear out and stick on your order form. Knock me down with a harmonium if I didn't see Robyn's latest Rhino compilation right up there in the 30 or so "alternative" options. I guess that means we'll be hearing the Mantovani-ized Queen of Eyes in the local Safeway any day now... ...wonder if they'll sing Mucky or Bucky? Hope you're all having a jolly 'oliday ~N +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=++=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ The picture's going wavy again. It's slipping away ...we're back to today. (Where did I but that barf bag...?) I think I need a little lie down now. Didn't someone say there was supposed to be a movie on this flight? ~N PS: Any left coast fegs with the Dan Bern virus who are interested in seeing him in Berkeley in November please contact me off-list. I think we'll muster quite a good feg contingent for this one. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:15:51 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!!! On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > I could undestand not wanting to include the Rhino bonus demos as part of > Element of Light proper, but why exclude the CD bonus tracks? > (The Crawling, The Leopard, The Black Crow Knows, Tell me about your > Drugs) > > For me, the album wouldn't be the same without The Leopard, and I think > that that arpeggiated keyboard thing is .... well, the album wouldn't be > the same without it. I was referring specifically to the quality of the performances and recording, which are excellent for all the original LP tracks, and are (understandably) nothing like as good for the demos. My feeling is that the CD bonus tracks come somewhere between the two. 'The Crawling' is not up to the same standard, and 'Drugs' is a fun track where everyone plays the wrong instrument (Andy drums, Morris gtr, Robyn bass). I like it but it has a touch of that 'We'll Meet Again' / 'Mother's Lament' quality that flaws so many diamonds. Cheers - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: Robyn on Piano YES! Back in 1990, I believe. He played at the Pine Street Theatre (now La Luna) as a solo act. He played a big black piano and yes, he did play "Flavour of Night." You have not lived until you've seen Robyn play that sublime song on a piano. Was anyone else from the list at that show as well? He might have performed "Cathedral" too. After this spectacular, enthralling show, some bold Fegs jumped up on stage and stole a)Robyn's teacup b)his water glass c) the water pitcher and d)a guitar pick that had fallen under the piano seat. Of course, the set list was the first thing to go. - --Carole On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Abra Cadaver wrote: > fegs, > > Does anyone know if Robyn has ever played any of his piano-based > songs live? If so, did he play the piano part on them, or did Andy? > > Some of the songs I'm wondering about: > > Nocturne > Cathedral > Flavour Of The Night > Executioner > College Of Ice > > Thanks, > --g > > "Despite what people think of me, I have the heart of a child. > I keep it in a jar on my desk." --Stephen King > > Glen Uber > glen@metro.net > http://metro.net/glen/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: Robyn on Piano No wait..this must've been 1989, because it was the second time I saw Robyn. I'm pretty sure it was a September show, for all you completist fegs... On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Carole Reichstein wrote: > > YES! Back in 1990, I believe. He played at the Pine Street Theatre (now > La Luna) as a solo act. He played a big black piano and yes, he did play > "Flavour of Night." You have not lived until you've seen Robyn play that > sublime song on a piano. Was anyone else from the list at that show as > well? He might have performed "Cathedral" too. > > After this spectacular, enthralling show, some bold Fegs jumped up on > stage and stole a)Robyn's teacup b)his water glass c) the water pitcher > and d)a guitar pick that had fallen under the piano seat. Of course, the > set list was the first thing to go. > > --Carole > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Abra Cadaver wrote: > > > fegs, > > > > Does anyone know if Robyn has ever played any of his piano-based > > songs live? If so, did he play the piano part on them, or did Andy? > > > > Some of the songs I'm wondering about: > > > > Nocturne > > Cathedral > > Flavour Of The Night > > Executioner > > College Of Ice > > > > Thanks, > > --g > > > > "Despite what people think of me, I have the heart of a child. > > I keep it in a jar on my desk." --Stephen King > > > > Glen Uber > > glen@metro.net > > http://metro.net/glen/ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:19:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Much better now, thanks! >Eb said: >He must be thinking of "Make Me Smile [Come Up and See Me]," by Steve >Harley & Cockney Rebel. I'm not sure if this song is new or not -- > >Huh? *That's* a blast from the past! This is one of those things my >little sister used to bop to in the 70's. Typical of the time, more >fashion victims than actual musicians. Rest assured this sounds >*nothing* like our boy! You think so? I didn't think of Hitchcock when I originally played it, but after Russ made the comment about the resemblance, I definitely said "Oh yeah...I can see that." Jangly...low and nasal vocals...lots of sneered held notes.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:16:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) >> PS to Susan: _Two_ virtuosi in the Who? Moon, yes, but who is the other >> one? Entwistle is one of those rock solid unobtrusive players, so it can't >> be him - and I'd hardly call microphone-twirling a Grade 8 activity, so >> that rules out Daltrey. You can't mean Dave Davies clone Peter Townshend, >> can you? (For years I thought he wrote "Nothing gets in my way, not even >> hot dogs...") I would definitely call Entwistle a virtuoso. I definitely would NOT call Townshend one. He does the job, but songwriting is where he's the real standout. His guitar parts often come off a bit too "written" to me, if you know what I mean. Eb np: Beth Orton/Trailer Park, Arto Lindsay/Mundo Civilizado ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 17:55:38 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Ralph, hand me the heartless children of the Dead A big cheep hello! I have been busy trying to catch up on the new Feg mail, so here we go with just a few replies: Eb sez: >I might like the Grateful Dead more, if they weren't such utterly tone-deaf >singers and had the remotest ability to rock. Ack. Just thinking of that >clippety-cloppety brainfry beat makes me want to go put my head through a >wall. ;) Oh, Eb! You'll have to do better than that if you really want to taunt a Deadhead! I mean, it's not as if we aren't the most maligned fans on the face of the planet - well, maybe KORN fans could be there, but only *deservedly* so - so we are rather fond of hearing such cute little criticisms like your own. Now, I remember the Great Deadhead Taunt of 1987 -- that one was a real mind-wringer, and has pretty much raised the bar. (I believe the PALM D'JERRY award went to the security guards at the Meadowlands.) Surely you can dig deeply into the wells of spite, and pull up a cup of frothing vitriol that would actually move a deadhead to apoplexia? If anyone can do it, I know it would be you! So I say, cry havoc, and let slip the Ebs of War! (But by the way, "clippety-cloppety brainfry beat" was good - real good. I'll have to think of that next time I'm truckin') Glen Uber's SIG FILE sez: >"Despite what people think of me, I have the heart of a child. >I keep it in a jar on my desk." --Stephen King I've always liked that quote; but I thought you may be interested to know that King was paying hommage to Robert Bloch when he said it. I don't remember the *exact* original Bloch quote, but when someone once asked him where he got his ideas, he said: "I have the heart of a child -- I keep it in a jar by my desk." He was so famous for this that it grew somewhat annoying to him, so upon accepting (I think it was) the World Fantasy Award, he decided to add a new quote to his canon: "Except for when rats ate my little sister, this is the happiest day of my life." Woj writes: >bayard asks: > >>(what's a smoe?) > >it's a cliche, but: if i told you, i'd have to kill you. Ha! And is there someone out there who still thinks this list is free from Cult status? (By the way, because I am not afraid to disseminate the truth, SMOE stands for "Standardized Measure of Ornithological Entropy." Biggles writes, >It's great to hear your voices again. Actually, you all have the >simpletext voice of "Ralph" on this computer. btw, you haven't lived til >youve heard Ralph interpret a post by the Quail. Due to a very odd coincidence involving a bottle of tequila, a chance meeting with Steve Jobs, and a small trachiotomy accident, that *is* my voice, Biggles. . . . - --Quail - ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | Literature Site - The Libyrinth: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth www.rpg.net/quail | Vampire Site - New York by Night: riverrun Discordian Society | www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:25:49 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) >I would definitely call Entwistle a virtuoso. I definitely would NOT call >Townshend one. He does the job, but songwriting is where he's the real >standout. His guitar parts often come off a bit too "written" to me, if you >know what I mean. no, i don't know what you mean. "too written"? maybe you should take a look at the webster's definition: Main Entry: vir=B7tu=B7o=B7so Pronunciation: -'O-(")sO, -(")zO =46unction: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -sos or vir=B7tu=B7o=B7si /-(")sE, -(")zE/ Etymology: Italian, from virtuoso, adjective, virtuous, skilled, from Late Latin virtuosus virtuous, from Latin virtus Date: 1651 1 : an experimenter or investigator especially in the arts and sciences : SA= VANT 2 : one skilled in or having a taste for the fine arts 3 : one who excels in the technique of an art; especially : a highly skilled musical performer (as on the violin) 4 : a person who has great skill at some endeavor - - vir=B7tu=B7o=B7sic /-'O-sik, -zik/ adjective - - virtuoso adjective ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:41:53 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: C'mon Ugly Nora! At 03:25 AM 9/24/97 -0400, Tom Clark wrote: >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 13:30:47 -0700 >From: Tom Clark >Subject: C'mon Ugly Nora! > >Hey Fellow Fegs - > >Check your world weather maps - Hurricane Nora is cruising up the west >coast of North America. She's already destroyed Baja California and >she's heading for San Diego! > >It's about time we lent her our salad bowl! Right after reading this, I looked outside and, yes, dark clouds are a-gathering...'bout time to lock up my Robyn H. collection in a safety deposit box and get the feg outta Dodge. Well, perhaps at least the coming hurricane rains will douse the fire currently raging near Rancho Santa Fe (home of the "Heaven's Gate" cult). Linda petered, and I expect ugly Nora to wimp out as well... I'm so off-topic right now, I'm Jesus. Cheers! Resident of the soon to be destroyed San Diego, - -------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thornton || Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 - -------------------------------------------------------------- "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson - -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:20:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Who's a virtuoso?(.02% RH content) >>I would definitely call Entwistle a virtuoso. I definitely would NOT call >>Townshend one. He does the job, but songwriting is where he's the real >>standout. His guitar parts often come off a bit too "written" to me, if you >>know what I mean. > > no, i don't know what you mean. "too written"? maybe you should >take a look at the webster's definition: I don't think you can strictly apply the classic sense of "virtuoso" to rock 'n roll music. On record, Townshend's guitar playing is not particularly fast and often a bit too carefully composed (almost like he's writing session parts for himself, really), and live, he's more of a "basher." He's a good guitar player, but I'm not willing to call him a "virtuoso." There just isn't enough of a sense of the "visionary" about his playing. Songwriting is another matter, of course. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:24:42 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (Nobody) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V6 #14 =20 > >>I'm going to ignore the "Respect fiasco" comment for now > >Er, I'm not. > >I've actually never seen what it was that made everyone rave about this = one >so, but it's quite far from being a fiasco. Some lovely songwriting, = even >if the production is admittedly a bit busy for my taste. I really dig >"Driving Aloud" in particular, as well as the much maligned = "Wafflehead". >To me the real mess is "Perspex". I think I've listened to that album >maybe, 5 times, and it strikes me as fairly bland in comparison to >"Respect", and as positively yawn-inducing next to my beloved "Eye" and >"Underwater Moonlight".=20 Well, I hate to play Devil's Advocate (or Coachman, or Radio, or whathaveyou), but If you mention Hitchcock to a non-Feg, if they have heard of him at all, they would most likely own Perspex! It *was" his biggest seller, If I recall. And, admittedly, some of the dreck on there is AWFUL ("If You go..." doesn't even deserve to have it's full title typed, "Ultra-Un..." also), four tunes in particular- "Oceanside", "Lysander", "Ride", and "She Doesn't Exist"- are really good. (and also done in concert even now!) plus, Andy's bass SMOKES on "Oceanside"! (bringing it back to the original strain)... =09 I always thought his best bass-playing was on the album Queen Elvis, myself. throwning kindling on the fire... -lu w d > >>=20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:26:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: Ladies And Gentlemen...Andy Metcalfe!! On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > I thought 'Respect' was a noticeable return to songwriting form after the > tedium of PI. Although I rather enjoy 'Oceanside', there are just not > enuff quality songs on 'Perspex'. I have to agree with you on Repsect, fantastic album, I don't understood why it catches so much smeg from so many fegs. Perspex took a little longer to become attached, but it it is now attached. > > On the perennial Seligman vs Metcalf debate, I think it comes down to > whether you prefer 'Underwater Moontlight' or 'Element of Light'. I don't > agree that UM is at all a typical Soft Boys album - much more than any > other Soft Boys release, it sounds to me like Hitchcock on top songwriting > form with a backing band. With me being a gigging musician for the last few years and playing a variety of instruments for the last 18, including the bass, trumpet and keyboards, I have learned that once someone becomes proficient at an instrument, backing up a good song by coming up with a good bass line or drum track is not difficult. There are a bunch of ways to play just about every guitar lick, bass line, etc...., so trying to compare two backing musicians and the way each of them plays different songs just about useless. While there are some studio musicians whom are said to have mastered their instruments, these two, while they are both proficient, are not masters of their trade. > - hssmrg > PS to Susan: _Two_ virtuosi in the Who? Moon, yes, but who is the other > one? Entwistle is one of those rock solid unobtrusive players, so it can't > be him - and I'd hardly call microphone-twirling a Grade 8 activity, so > that rules out Daltrey. You can't mean Dave Davies clone Peter Townshend, > can you? (For years I thought he wrote "Nothing gets in my way, not even > hot dogs...") Ok first, Pete is fucking KING,,, or queen depending on your angle, one of the greatest songwriters I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. Dave is good, and there are simularities, but they did grow up in the same general area, at about the same time, right? So similar yes, but a clone, no way. Keith could be called the greatest rock-n-roll drummer ever and Entwistle is a master bass player. So this band had three. The other guy, Roger, just sang. Couldn't right wortha flip and was not a really good singer, but he had the look. I have always thought The Who would have been just fine with Rodg. Pete has a good voice and wrote 99.9999 percent of all their songs and 100 percent of all the good ones. I had a big long discussion with a Daltrey fan (1 in 268,000,003) once and it was then that i determined the only reason Pete kept Roger around was because he had a crush on him. The DF did not agree, but that was to be expected as he started the whole discussion by saying that Roger was The Who and it was Roger that made them famous. Boy, did I have to set him straight. Regards, Gregory S. Shell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:27:44 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Possibly James has another opinion... ... that nobody ever considered important (chalk up another Meat Puppets fan!) *warning!* - NZ Music plug approaches! >Take the Skinheads Bowling goes to Camper van Beethoven. true. If you like this song, then try some early Clean (The CD "Compilation" contains all their early stuff, including the song 'Beatnik', which is VERY similar in style to TTSB) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:28:17 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: the awful truth about the great quail... Re: Solipsist Cheepings: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for yet more enjoyable weirdness, Mr Quail. However, I think it is time that your secret is revealed! The Great Quail is an anagram of "I eat laughter, Q." You are laughing at us! WHY??? What is your secret??? Then I realised the dreadful truth: Your 'real name' (hah!) "Allen Ruch" is an anagram of "Real Lunch" Lunch? As in Monday's Lunch? So.... either you are Mark Gloster, or he is another one of your fiendish disguises! Let's take this one stage further Mark Gloster's alleged 'band' is Rubber Shark. This is, of course, an anagram of 'shrub barker' someone who strips away the protective coating from the trunks of small trees - a 'tree marker'. If we assume that the people you assume the identities of are rendered into a zombie-like state, with no will then the message becomes clearer: mindless - no central nervous system (CNS)! Take the letters CNS from the name Terrence Marks and what do you get? An anagram of 'Tree Marker'! Do these 'identities' on the 'feglist' really exist outside your warped mind? Lets look for other clues... does anyone have an identity that is an anagram of "exist"? No. "Is? no. "Be"????? hmmmm..... James (the real one) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:09:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Possibly James has another opinion... James wrote: >>Take the Skinheads Bowling goes to Camper van Beethoven. > >If you like this song, then try some early Clean (The CD >"Compilation" contains all their early stuff, including the song 'Beatnik', >which is VERY similar in style to TTSB) Y'know, since I've been online, I've noticed a strong tendency for NZ folks to think that EVERYTHING rips off Flying Nun bands! It's like anything underproduced with nasal singing and only three or four chords has to be a Flying Nun tribute! Hmmpf. ;) I really can't call the above comparison significant. Then James wrote: >Then I realised the dreadful truth: Your 'real name' (hah!) "Allen Ruch" is >an anagram of "Real Lunch" Lunch? Yes, anagrams can be fun.... Merry, cool, boiled Dry mobile cooler O my! old relic bore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:19:40 -0700 From: Ferris Subject: MP3 While I'm in the mood: anybody know much about the MP3 format? (Bayard? Anyone?) (If you don't know what it is, it's a MPEG compression for audio files). Email me off-list, if you've any info on the format...or Robyn tracks.... - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:16:11 -0700 From: Ferris Subject: Make Me Smile, Monty Yeah. That song ("Make Me Smile (Come Up & See Me)") stuck in my head as well--but it does make sense...in a way. The Wedding Present did a cover of it a while ago and it's on the Alvin Lives (In Leeds) anti-poll tax CD--the same one Robyn's "Kung Fu Fighting" appeared on. Coincidence? Probably. Enjoy! - -ferris. PS: The site looks nice, Woj! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: upstart@portal.ca (Renee Lynn) Subject: Re: Robyn on Piano >After this spectacular, enthralling show, some bold Fegs jumped up on >stage and stole a)Robyn's teacup b)his water glass c) the water pitcher >and d)a guitar pick that had fallen under the piano seat. Of course, the >set list was the first thing to go. It was enthralling indeed, and may I add, e) the candle holder.....( I still have it. I was young. It was worth it) RLT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:41:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: RE: The Full Monty >He must be thinking of "Make Me Smile [Come Up and See Me]," by Steve >Harley & Cockney Rebel. I'm not sure if this song is new or not -- the >remainder of the soundtrack is mostly campy '70s stuff like Hot Chocolate >and Donna Summer. I'll bet it's a 70's song. I have a Duran Duran 45 from 1982 where they do a song by that title. It's probably the same one. I always wondered who they were covering. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: (Fwd) RH Chronology On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Fugazi Osbourne wrote: > < petrol)>> > Does anyone happen to know if this is Roger Miller's 'Chug-A-Lug', or > is it an original RH composition? I'm sure there are many people whoe happen to know. I'm not one of them. Then why did I reply? Read ahead. > The reason I ask is I've always suspected that Roger Miller had more > than a slight influence on Robyn (listen to Miller's 'My Uncle Used To > Love Me But She Died' if you don't agree with me). Miller was much > more popular in England than in the US, so it's likely that Robyn > heard some of Roger's best stuff at a very impressionable age. Now, I don't know about that 'much more popular in England' thing, but I'm a big fan of Roger Miller and I live in the US of A (which is the greatest country in the world, amen). I got turned on to Roger Miller by my dear friend Ian. We sing lots of Roger Miller songs in the car while driving (see my bumbershoot ramblings). Well, one thing I didn't mention was that on the drive home, we were talking about Robyn and Ian said 'I wonder if he likes Roger Miller. I'll bet he does.' Ian then went into singing "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died". Weird that you both picked the same song for comparison. I think "Reincarnation" is one of the close ones. "If I was a bird and you was a flower, what would we do? I guess we'd wait for the power of Re... incarnation.... If I was a tree and you was a fish, what would we do? I guess we'd wish for Re... incarnation." Or "Summertime". "In the summertime, when all the leaves and trees are green and the redbird sings "I'm blue" 'cause you don't want my love. 'Some other time' is what you say when I want you. Then you laugh at me and make me cry 'cause you don't want my love." So... in case you're wondering, "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died" goes something like this: My uncle used to love me but she died Chicken ain't a chicken 'til it's lickin' good fried Keep on the sunny side My uncle used to love me but she died Well, apples are for eating and snakes are for hissin' I heard about ahuggin and I heard about akissin' I read about it free in a fifty cent illustrated guide My uncle used to love me but she died Well, who will give me twenty, thirty cents for a ring of keys Two times a dime to buy a dollar bill of groceries I'll have me a car of my own some day But 'til then I need ride My uncle used to love me but she died. So... yeah. There's something. Just my own few words on the topic. See me soon. J. PS > "Sacred cows make the best hamburgers." --Mark Twain Would Twain have said 'hamburgers'? Maybe hamburger... but the sandwich wasn't just called a hamburger for a really long time, so hamburgers didn't have much meaning. I could be wrong. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V6 #15 ******************************