From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #197 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 197 Monday August 11 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- still catching up (part 1) still catching up (part 2) Re: RH on Kershaw Re: RH on Kershaw BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report Re: Mental Mastication alphabet Re: RH on Kershaw Re: RH on Kershaw Re: BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report robyn recording a new solo album? Uncorrected Personality Traits shortage Re: robyn recording a new solo album? Re: BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:53:35 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: still catching up (part 1) The irrepressible and lustworthy SD a repondit: >>terry and susie are watching the Waterloo Sunset (no? was I close?). >That'd be Julie :). Oh, right... Julie and Susie. Sorry. >>for a post that starts: "I've always thought that Libya's flag was really >>boring. They used to have a good flag until 1977, but they've really lost >>it since then..." ;) >"And I'm a lot more interested in seeing the new flag from Zimbabwe than >ANYTHING Libya could produce, anyway" :). :)) excellent! >>Eb, admittedly more excited about upcoming Beck releases than RH ones >Beck's work, though interesting, strikes me as kind of a tossed salad. I >mean, everything's all sliced and diced and sampled. It's wild to hear him >just play a song on a plain old guitar! Liked Odelay, but Mellow Gold sucked mightily. The only track I personally liked on it ("Fucking with my head") was a purloinment of The Rolling Stones' "The Last Time", with a line from "Satisfaction " thrown in for good measure. >Eb (you can call me E, or you can call me Eb, or you can call me E >flat...but you doesn't have to call me Ebby! [that joke may lost on a New >Zealander]) true, me old marra - I don't get it. Then again, you probably wouldn't understand if I said "The answer lies in the seaweed, son!" Agreed with YCT LJ about Elvis C, BTW, and also that I find it difficult to listen to "Almost Blue". Spike and Imperial Bedroom, however, are right up there with the finest, and both lyrically and musically knock the spots of most music from the whole rock era. Ob New Zealand music comment: more Dunedin bands take their names from Elvis ostello lyrics than from any other lyric source. Best known was Sneaky Feelings, but others included Bone Orchard (originally the Big Electric Bone Orchard) and Mystery Dance. >>NP - Hanson "Mmmbop" (Not really of course. The power of suggestion.) >I think I must be the only person on earth who hasn't heard this infernal >song. I'm not eager to change my status. Heard it for the first time yesterday. Not something I wish to repeat. It's the one I loathe. (yes, I said LOATHE. Sheesh) James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:55:27 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: still catching up (part 2) >could neil young boast this kind of diversity...? very probably! Numerous other artists are pretty diverse, from the likes of Brian Eno through to that Costello chappie. He'd probably take out the trophy for most diverse, depite a strong showing by David Bowie ("Earthling", BTW, is Bowie's best album sincde the mid 1750s). Not that diversity is necessarily a good measure of listenability... Let's face it even Robert Palmer went through a Gary Numan phase. (his album "maybe its live" contains the answer to the weird trivia question "which album had both Gary Numan and Adrian Belew as guest musicians?") >...and who else is also a great painter, story-writer, and orator? Chris Knox! Not only fairly Robynesque at times, but hilarious, an artist, a cartoonist, a raconteur and, surprisingly, a film reviewer. Robyn has a coupla years head start on him ("Toy Love" came out in 1980), but I think he's up there somewhere. Eb can vouch for his work - he's been up to his dusty parts in Fork Songs for a coupla weeks now... >As for "Murphy Brown", I don't think it's funny now, let alone twenty >years down the road. "Murphy Brown" was *hilarious* twenty years ago. 'Course it was called "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" then. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 14:38:12 BST From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (jaytee) Subject: Re: RH on Kershaw The joy of not having a television meant that I was in watching the Andy Kershaw radio show that Jay posted about: >Andy Kershaw : Monday 20.40 - > 22.30pm. > IN SESSION - BLACK UMFOLOSI > 04.08.97 > > Mouse & The Traps - "A Public Execution" (Big Beat Records) I think Kershaw said that this was from a new compilation CD of Mouse & The Traps, so it should be possible to find (I think Terry was asking about it). It was a mid-60s recording of a band sounding exactly like mid-60s Dylan. > Robyn Hitchcock - "Tell Me" (Warner Brothers Records) Kershaw said this was "from Robyn's new 'Beautiful Queen' single" but then he noticed the promo-only stamp. It was a live recording, taken from the recent promo recorded at the Borderline. It was a mid-90s recording of a band sounding exactly like mid-60s Dylan. JT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:02:39 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: RH on Kershaw On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, jaytee wrote: > The joy of not having a television meant that I was in watching the > Andy Kershaw radio show that Jay posted about: > Robyn Hitchcock - "Tell Me" (Warner Brothers Records) > Kershaw said this was "from Robyn's new 'Beautiful Queen' single" but then > he noticed the promo-only stamp. It was a live recording, taken from the recent > promo recorded at the Borderline. Hi Jonathan I assume that this must be 'Tell Me Mama' ("I know that you know that I know that you show something is tearing up your mind", that one) which, as far as I know, Dylan has never released, so it looks like RH is doing a 'Vegetable Man' here. The lyric (definitely titled 'Tell Me Mama') is in a Dylan book that I used to have until it fell to bits. - Mike PS See you Saturday? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:15:20 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: "Gloster, Mark" , Sydney , misplaced joan of arc Subject: BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report Dateline Saturday August 9th. 10:00pm. The team was small. It was a tough job ...but we were up to it! Having assembled the "core team" at a local eatery, and with pencils duly sharpened, your intrepid Fegs headed bravely for the Hotel Utah. "The Utah" is basically just a small bar in San Francisco. The small, spartan stage can be viewed either from a sunken area (a few steps down from the bar), or from a small balcony (...you look straight down on the top of the performers' heads!). 50 people would probably be a full house. All very cozy. Anton Barbeau did a fine job of warming up the PA, adjusting the microphones and calibrating the dB meters. He even gave Fegmaniax a plug at the end of one of his songs! Way to go, Anton! Of course this was really just a ploy to get us all to buy one of his CDs afterwards... (What can I say, we must just be gullible..*) We got a chance to say hi to Anton afterwards -- a more friendly and charming fellow you could not hope to meet. How could he *not* be a Fegmaniac? Finally the Loud Family took the stage. Front man Scott Miller wielding a Robynesque telecaster (black, however, not blue) led the band through the set. Occasional Rew-esque guitar stylings were evident and fine songs abounded. LF are a four piece: guitar/vocal, keys, bass and drums with a sound very much in the "80's alternative" vein. I can see how they might well appeal anyone who's a fan of Robyn's Soft Boys/Egyptians era stuff. Harmony vocals added another echo of Morris and the boys -- and a few nice twisted lyrics didn't hurt either. Most impressive (even to our token non-musician) was the new/old drummer, Gil Ray, who we had learned from Miles' post was just (re)joining the band after years of back trouble. I can see why they were so keen to drag him back from his sick bed to perform again - easily the best musician on the stage (-and the others weren't exactly shabby either!). After three encores they eventually ran out of setlist and had to start asking the audience for suggestions. No shortage there (...must have been a home crowd!). Maybe the fact that we didn't bring any inflated expectations helped, but we all agreed afterwards that we enjoyed the whole evening immensely. Maybe not in the "completely blown away" category, but we'd certainly see them again and we'll definitely check out a CD or two. As we were leaving, "Misplaced Joan of Arc" picked the amazing roto-Mark out of the crowd (I guess the way he kept spinning around with a cone on his head was a dead giveaway...) and introduced herself. Another cool and wonderful fegperson. Boy, is this list a class act or what? All in all a good time was had by all and The Loud Family received the Bay Area Feg stamp of approval. You are now all officially authorized to go see this band if they come your way. ~N Keeper of the official BALFFEP rubber stamp ink pad * Seriously Anton. I'm really glad I bought the CD. I like it a whole lot and I'd definitely recommended it (Waterbugs and Beetles) to my fellow fegmaniacs! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:21:27 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Mental Mastication all of this wishful sillyness about technological regression when nothing compares to the ol' fashioned mix tape. all the bits you want with none of the fluff. as far as the new-fangledy randomizer goes, i always use it to 'hear' songs that i wouldn't usually. you know, to give the whole album a chance. the medleys get really irksome when you're putting money into a cd jukebox and the rock opera stops just before 'she came in through the bathroom window'. >> Now here's my somewhat related idea: a CD changer with "link" and "omit" >> capabilities for shuffle mode. Before pressing the shuffle button, you >> could program your player to "omit" certain tracks. You could also "link" >> tracks together to keep medleys in tact during shuffle play. These two >> options would solve the two main problems with CD shuffling: partial medleys >> and songs you just don't want to hear. Why hasn't this been done yet? (when >> one of you engineers creates one of these, all I want in return for making >> you rich is the prototype). > >When my friend Ryan bought his first CD player (the first CD player any of >my friends had... a five disc Sony carrousel), we lamented the inability >to do such things. We thought then, and I still think now, that CD >players should be equipped with a simple programming language for >ordering tracks and also for skipping to a particular point in any given >track. I would love to be able to tell my CD player to play the first >eighteen seconds of one song, the middle third of another, all of the >fifth disc, and so on for the purpose of building tapes with very little >mixing noise and lag time. It seems simple enough. Bah. I'm going to do >it some day. I'm going to do it some day. I'm going to do it some day. ------------------------------ From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: alphabet Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:15:28 PDT ok, here's mine. cool idea, daniel. A is for anthracite B is for Bayard C is for chicken feces D is for devil mask E is for element of darkness F is for figgy, house of G is for globe of fegs, a H is for harrison ford poster rolled up in my desk I is for Insanely Jealous (WHERE ARE THE PRAWNS? version) J is for Jade, Elizabeth K is for kilofeg L is for lack of involvement with the father or overinvolvement with the mother M is for mississippi malcolm mcdodge N is for Never Stop Bleeding O is for one night in mid-august, when the moonlight got too strong P is for penthouse full of dwarves Q is for allen r. R is for raining in europe S is for sven-woj, woj T is for three feet off the ground U is for UNHATCHED CRABLINGS V is for viva viva viva viva viva sea-tac, they got the best computers and coffe and smack W is for with a large pair of horns X is for major dad Y is for you, yeah you, with your ice cream hands Z is for how many guns you gonna fire? how many guns...are you gonna load? " I regret to inform you that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it in some way obstructs interstate commerce." --J. Edgar Hoover ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:18:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: RH on Kershaw >I assume that this must be 'Tell Me Mama' ("I know that you know that I >know that you show something is tearing up your mind", that one) which, as >far as I know, Dylan has never released, so it looks like RH is doing a >'Vegetable Man' here. The lyric (definitely titled 'Tell Me Mama') is in a >Dylan book that I used to have until it fell to bits. I know you could find the lyrics on the Web somewhere. In particular, there's a site called "EDLIS." I can't remember what that stands for, but it contains lyrics to every Dylan song, both released and unreleased. I also have the lyrics in my own Dylan lyrics book, if anyone's that interested. Of course, "Tell Me Mama" is the first song on the legendary Dylan/Royal Albert Hall bootleg. It's a shame that it's the first song, actually, because the soundboard guys haven't gotten the vocal mix quite right yet. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:41:51 -0400 From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: Re: RH on Kershaw also sprach M R Godwin: >On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, jaytee wrote: >>Robyn Hitchcock - "Tell Me" (Warner Brothers Records) >>Kershaw said this was "from Robyn's new 'Beautiful Queen' single" but then >>he noticed the promo-only stamp. It was a live recording, taken from the >>recent promo recorded at the Borderline. >I assume that this must be 'Tell Me Mama' ("I know that you know that I >know that you show something is tearing up your mind", that one) can some dylanophile say is this the same song that was performed at viva sea-tac 2? +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: misplaced joan of arc "Gloster, Mark" , Sydney Subject: Re: BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report So, I showed up at the gig too, inspired by the list's preliminary discussions. The BALFFEP sounded way too intriguing to miss! Anton's group was quite good. Lot's of emotion and I'm always a sucker for a three piece, or maybe I just like triangles. Anton, I didn't get your cd from out of the little blue suitcase, but I meant to. Any stores in the city carry it? The Loud Family was much better than I had expected - I went in thinking I would hate them, for some reason. I've seen this Scott Wilson around town, at different shows and films. For some reason, he always stands out to me. Maybe it's because he looks just like an eighties post punk star (he has huge hair). Low and behold, HE IS! You can imagine my surprise when he walked up on stage. I couldn't stop thinking "It's THAT GUY." He looks like a cross between Mitch Easter, Alex Chilton, and Dean Wareham, and so does his music... sound, that is. Sorry, I hate when people use that _blank_ meets _blank_ description of a band, but I can't help it; it works so perfectly, in this case. And that's great, about the drummer! He really held them together - they were a tight group. The evening's highlight, however, was meeting the feg trio, Nick, Mark, and Sydney. I hadn't the tiniest idea what any of them looked like, aside from the rotating Mark on the cone website, which I skimmed over quite a while ago. Mark had on this wild t-shirt, with all sorts of crawly bugs and trilobites on it (printed, not real), so that was the dead give away. Also, I overheard Nick's English accent, so I clumped the clues together and sheepishly asked - I'm glad I did. They're every bit as friendly and charming as I thought they'de be. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 18:46:41 EDT From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: robyn recording a new solo album? Hello, I just caught up on the last months worth of digests and saw nothing about Robyn being in the process of recording a new solo album. This may or may not be accurate information, but in the August issue of a local Atlanta music magazine--one of those free publications found in local record shops printed on newspaper paper--named Stomp and Stammer . . . In the above mentioned mag. was a little sentence that read, "Robyn Hitchcock has been in Seattle working on his next solo album with old pal Peter Buck." That's all they said and that's all I know. Sorry if this is old news. Can this be verified by anyone else? Ken's fav. movies of late: Kolya -- a beautifully filmed and wonderfully acted movie which won an Oscar in 1996 for best foreign film Ulees Gold -- forget your impressions of Peter Fonda . . . this is kind of a slow-developing story focused on character development, but my interest never lapsed. Smilla's Sense of Snow -- Julia Ormand is incredible, the photography is stunning, the story moves along quickly but the tension and complexity keeps building and building. Amateur -- came out around 1993 or 1994. In predates Pulp Fiction but a few of the characters are startlingly similar to Quenton's. Unusual characters, unpredictable story, fast moving. Eccentric without trying to be different. Sling Blade -- I am surprised this did not appear in more people's top movies. The young boy in this movie did an incredible acting job. So long, Ken PS I'll be off-line for the next 4 or 5 days. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini Being a genius is easy. Dept. of Psychology All you have to do is say, "everything is wrong." University of Georgia You'll always be right. Athens, GA -some Ren & Stimpy side character ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Hollie_Satterfield@mail.amsinc.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 18:06:52 EST Subject: Uncorrected Personality Traits shortage "Eddie Tews" exclaimed: >another note for seattle area fegs: after searching high and low, i >finally found UNCORRECTED PERSONALITY TRAITS at silver platters in >bellevue. i'd guess they *might* have it at the northgate store as >well. anybody else running into this problem, or is it just the west >coast? where are they shipped from, anyway? i was thinking, you >know, BACK EAST. but it's probably kansas or something. The UPS strike is causing all sorts of slowdowns and standstills for record companies/stores. The new Rainmakers album came out last week and barely made it out of the midwest (sob), V&R Records has volunteered to accept mail order for the duration of the strike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:26:50 -0400 KeN SaBaTiNi From: dee zed stroke zero one five Subject: Re: robyn recording a new solo album? also sprach KeN SaBaTiNi: >In the above mentioned mag. was a little sentence that read, "Robyn >Hitchcock has been in Seattle working on his next solo album with old >pal Peter Buck." > >That's all they said and that's all I know. Sorry if this is old news. >Can this be verified by anyone else? yep -- the week between the last official gig of may/june tour and the viva sea-tac 2 gig was spent working in the studio with time keegan, peter buck, scott mccaughney and other folks from the seattle pop thing. rumor has it that some of the material recorded will appear under the guise of "the popsycle shoppe incident" -- yet another scott mccaughney project. the rest may or may not be future robyn solo material. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:30:14 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: BALFFEP - Preliminary Draft Report > I would hate them, for some reason. I've seen this Scott Wilson around > town, at different shows and films. For some reason, he always stands > out to me. Maybe it's because he looks just like an eighties post punk > star (he has huge hair). Low and behold, HE IS! You can imagine my surprise Do you mean "Miller?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .