From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #191 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 191 Wednesday August 6 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Kingdom of Fegs.... Madre/Writing Re: Mental Mastication (0%RH) Wharf Rats Re: Kingdom of Fegs.... how about, uh...oh, forget it re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) Jigsaw? Re: Jigsaw, Minxes and Poppers Re: Jigsaw, Minxes and Poppers what if.... re: what if.... RE: what if.... re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) Re: what if.... FEG: Re: The Dastardly Pry Re: what if.... re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) More Cones! More Fegdots! Re: Karl and the Poppers re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) the popper/pauper question OLPOE Re: the popper/pauper question Re: the popper/pauper question re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) Re: the popper/pauper question stuffage, too long, read only if bored... Email Test (No Hitchcon whatsoever) THE SOFT BOYS REUNITE? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 17:23:28 -0400 From: Stephen Buckalew Subject: Kingdom of Fegs.... Greetings y'all!! I'm a new Fegmaniac in town, just subscribed to the list. Just want to say hello! I've been part of the spiritual kingdom of fegmania for many years...but now I'm part of the binary kingdom of fegmania! <~~~Buckeye~~~> ***************************************************************************** "...everythings all on...it's rosy...it's a beautiful day!"--Syd Barrett ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Madre/Writing the UberGlen asked about robyn's mom -- "sleeping w/your devil mask" gives her second name, but what's her first? her full name is elizabeth joyce hitchcock (nee' Watts.) Someone, I think Lord Kay, posted bio info for mom and pop hitchcock including birth dates, but i've lost it-- wouldn't mind getting it again for the chronology K. hmm, elizabeth j... sounds rather like one of the new songs, eh? but then no doubt the triangle therein would be something different from what fegs initially inferred. (assuming ya'll and I inferred the same thing, ie the almost-obvious.) Glen also asked about robyn's process of recording in the studio. I'm not sure how rh goes about recording, but i know he writes songs by jotting down a long list of titles, then sitting at the kitchen table when the house is empty and making up songs to go with the titles he likes best. a minx is a cross between a mink and a lynx, no? =b ps. I don't know anything about Kurdt Kobain. When I said he was on the way down, I meant in every way except musical genius. I respect the opinion of those who dig him, but his work never seemed as groundbreaking to me as it did/does to seemingly everyone else. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:37:44 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Mental Mastication >Now here's my somewhat related idea: a CD changer with "link" and "omit" >capabilities for shuffle mode. Before pressing the shuffle button, you >could program your player to "omit" certain tracks. You could also "link" >tracks together to keep medleys in tact during shuffle play. These two >options would solve the two main problems with CD shuffling: partial medleys >and songs you just don't want to hear. Why hasn't this been done yet? (when >one of you engineers creates one of these, all I want in return for making >you rich is the prototype). Hey!! I'll be a "beta-tester"!!! *eg* LSDiamond Bad Cop, no doughnut... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have you been exceptionally bad lately? Come serve your penance at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542/penance1.html You'll never commit THAT sin again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 18:54:58 -0700 From: hal brandt CC: "Fegmaniax!" Subject: (0%RH) Wharf Rats The Great Quail wrote: > >> having been to many Dead shows, I really > >> can't vouch for the audience. They're usually so stoned that they would > >> cheer if the Dead covered a Hall and Oats song. So, I wrote: > >That's a pretty broad generalization. Ever heard of the "Wharf Rats"? Then, The Great Quail wrote: > > Yes! So you were one of the Wharf Rats, those mysterious mariners on the > Seas of Tour, marking their ghostly presence by hand-lettered signs > tacked up to venue walls. . . . Neat! To which I'm now responding: No, I wasn't a Wharf Rat. They were/are recovering addicts that went to the shows sober, hence my reference to them in answer to your generalization about the Dead's "stoned" audiences. Just clarifying, hal ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 21:51:49 EDT Subject: Re: Kingdom of Fegs.... Buckaloo (Buckeye) wrote: > > Greetings y'all!! > > I'm a new Fegmaniac in town, just subscribed to the list. Just want to say > hello! I've been part of the spiritual kingdom of fegmania for many > years...but now I'm part of the binary kingdom of fegmania! > > <~~~Buckeye~~~> Uh, welcome, Buckeye. John LittleJohn: Act like nothing's wrong. He may be on to us. -- John Overberries email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 22:39:50 -0700 Subject: how about, uh...oh, forget it >First of all, Pennsylvania does not use the gas chamber, we use lethal >injection. yeah, you quakers never miss an opportunity to remind us just how much more civilized are you than we. seattle fegs! your lucky day has arrived! the best movie of 1997, Schizopolis, will be playing at the varsity, midnight friday, august 8, and friday, august 15. portland and vancouver fegs know as well: it's worth the drive. speaking of best of, even knowing we're still 17 months away from the end of 1998, i can't see how the two best movies of 1998 will be anything other than Storefront Hitchcock and The Big Lebowski. well, i didn't see any deadhead sticker, but i swear to god i saw all of the following stickers on a cadillac yesterday (with texas plates, no less.) --Meat Is Murder (red) --Womyn (rainbow) --Celebrate Diversity (rainbow) --Witches Heal (purple) --Sierra Club (brown) --Abuse An Animal, Go To Jail (orange) and i thought this marquee was pretty funny: CONTACT Jodie Foster i get the feeling that most of you are on multiple bands' lists. me, i'm on mclibel, naturally, and a local mediawatch list. but the only thing music-related is this here fegmaniax shindig. i remember a long time ago when i was working with people who had two jobs. i used to think it was so strange. like, "you know all the people here, AND you know a whole other set of people at a different place? i don't think i could get to know two whole sets of people." or something. of course, there wasn't the cross-pollination that we have here. terry and susie are both on the pet sounds list. and a bunch of people are also on the chalkhills list. and eb and james are on some other list. well, eb's on all of 'em near as i can tell. i don't know why, but it just seems kind of spooky. is there a velvet underground list? i should get on that, i guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 01:22:27 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) Eb expounded (in feg #187): > I just wish RH would...[snip]...write more songs on piano. Here Here :) What immediately comes to mind is watching Robyn play 'One Long Pair Of Eyes' on piano...(beautiful fingers I must add)...I love the song just for that piano part...though I guess Andy played keyboard on the Queen Elvis recording... I'd also love to see Robyn do a solo gig with just a piano...and I wish he'd record more songs this way as well... fading back into yesterday, just before the dawn appears, draining all the blue away, and just before all your perspectives change... Randi who really digs the fegmap, and who most definitely _does not_ despise the 'a&m years' p.s. I know a lot of fegs don't like the Queen Elvis album...but do any of you like OLPOE? *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:45:58 +0100 (BST) From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Jigsaw? Just received my two Robyn At Sea tickets. They're shapes cut from what looks like a large fishy sea inspired drawing in gold ink with black blobs. But my two don't fit together. Maybe the jigsaw will be put back together on the trip? Gary PS I got numbers 1 & 2! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:01:52 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Jigsaw, Minxes and Poppers Any 'Beano' reader (such as Eric Clapton) can tell you what a minx is - a mischievous schoolgirl. On the subject of triangles, poppers and stoppers, the WOMAD audience was in no doubt whatever concerning the metaphorical interpretation. - hssmrg PS On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Gary Sedgwick wrote: > Just received my two Robyn At Sea tickets. PS I got numbers 1 & 2! I'm a latecomer with Number 3 - M! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 08:04:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Jigsaw, Minxes and Poppers On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > On the subject of triangles, poppers Er, would those be what I usually think of when I hear the term "poppers" (and no smartaleck answers please, most of you know full well what I would probably think of)? If so, well, THAT is extremely interesting . Still not as interesting as kneeling on tattoed carpets, but definitely interesting enough. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 08:17:33 -0400 Subject: what if.... Robyn decided that he will no longer work with a record company, will produce his albums from his kitchen and market them only through the Internet and will only press the CDs after 200 fans have ordered them. And on top of that, he charges $50-$75 per? Would you order or would you feel manipulated? Of course you recognize this as the new conflict in the world of Prince and there's some serious debate about Prince's motives and his respect for his fans, etc. I know that I, for one, would not stroke the ego of anyone (even Paul McCartney and Squeeze) who seems to shamelessly rank the monetary gain above the music--Prince has a fortune and he said recently, "I'm #1 at the bank." I can't imagine Robyn saying anything like this (he'll never have a fortune, I'm afraid), but if he did, what would YOU do? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:55:37 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: re: what if.... Marcy posited a -very- interesting question: >Robyn decided that he will no longer work with a record company, will >produce his albums from his kitchen and market them only through the >Internet and will only press the CDs after 200 fans have ordered them. >And on top of that, he charges $50-$75 per? Would you order or would you >feel manipulated? I'd certainly order and not feel manipulated, because I'd think Robyn was doing it to circumvent record label politics and/or the tyranny of the record charts, and to be good to his fans. I go out of my way to acquire anything made by Robyn, and the less removed from the commercial arena, the more I like it. One of my favorite things is the signed Respect lithograph he did, because it's personal and only remotely related to his music. I would happily send piles of cash to Robyn or his management if they made small batches of CDs which contained demos, live cuts, or whatever. I also wouldn't mind if he'd press the CDs only after 200 fans ordered them -- I don't see anything wrong with his wanting a return on his investment, and I don't doubt he'd get 200 orders quickly, either. And if they came with that "certain, special something" -- an autograph, custom-painted cover, a hand-drawn curio, his favorite curry recipe, I'd pay $50-$75. That's just the kind of fan I am. Case in point: the Legendary Pink Dots recently purchased their own CD-R machine and are making their own CDs, which they sell via mail order and at concerts to fans. These CDs aren't available through the normal record label avenues. I don't doubt the Dots do this because 1) they are so goddamned prolific they move faster than the record labels or industry and simply want to make their music available, 2) their fans want these CDs, and 3) it's a relatively easy and inexpensive way to make money. All in all that sounds like a good situation to me. +++++++++++++++++ "Quoting Neil Peart is one thing that shouldn't + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + be allowed. Disregard the Free Speech issue; +++++++++++++++++ it's just wrong." -- John Littlejohn ------------------------------ From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: what if.... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:16:26 -0400 [warning -- this is a very self-indulgent response to Marcy's question. those of you with low tolerances for long-winded wank may wish to edge a little closer to that "delete" key at this time.] IMH(?)O, the only thing wrong with what Marcy described is the price. I know what it costs to record and manufacture a CD when you own your own studio, because I'm doing it myself. I have a day job, Prince has a multi-million-dollar back catalog. I've decided that I don't need (right now, anyway) to charge even what record stores normally charge for a CD. Now, I'm not going to do much promotion, either -- but Prince doesn't have to. Even if he made an album and told NO ONE, word would leak out, his fan base would get excited, and people would pay whatever they had to to get it. So far, I don't think people have shown willingness to pay whatever they had to for my stuff, but I haven't exactly been willing to test them on that, since I usually just ask for a blank tape and maybe shipping in exchange for my home-recorded cassettes. I am also nowhere near as gifted as Prince, of course. But, unlike him, my current music is way better than my music ten years ago. Of course, I was only 13 ten years ago, but... ;-) [this paragraph provided to illustrate that, no, I'm not taking this comparison too seriously, so neither should you.] If Robyn did that kind of thing, the difference would be that he doesn't have a multi-million-dollar back catalog like Prince or (God help him!) a day job like me. However, given that, as Robyn himself has said in the liner notes to some of the Rhino reissues, he tends to flourish in less-than-luxurious recording circumstances, he wouldn't have the kind of outlay that, say, Prince does if he's still making payments and/or improvements on Paisley Park Studios. So, maybe Robyn would spend $20,000 on the studio equipment(purely a ballpark figure, based on getting a really good hard-disk recorder or ADAT, really good vintage mics, all the tape, cables, etc.), plus $5000 for the expenses to set up the "marketing by Internet" portion of his enterprise. Since the smallest cost-effective pressing of CDs seems to be about 1000, the manufacturing costs could easily be as much as $3000 for a really attractive package and a really good mastering job. Also, there'd be the cost of possible renovations to his kitchen, to accommodate the new equipment. 8-) So, with maybe $30,000 of initial outlay on his part, what if we assumed that the only people to buy his new CD were Fegmaniax? What's the current count? If it's around 300, he'd have to charge $100 for each item just to break even. The *first* time. But, after that, the studio would be paid for, and he'd only have to think about things like housing, food, keeping Michele happy, a tin of meat for the cat, and additional pressings of CDs. Still, how much he would continue to need to charge would also depend on how much touring he'd be willing to do, as well as what kind of income _Storefront Hitchcock_ draws. So, back to the question: would I pay it? Yup yup yup, if only for the new music and the feeling that, somehow, even if it's only my little delusion, Robyn and I would be sharing in the same kind of struggle. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:09:14 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) >who really digs the fegmap, and who most definitely _does not_ despise >the 'a&m years' Fegmap? I've missed something again!!! LOL Guess that's what I get for missing staff meetings.. >p.s. I know a lot of fegs don't like the Queen Elvis album...but do any >of you like OLPOE? I *love* that song... (I love QE, too, though, so maybe it doesn't count. ;) LSDiamond Bad Cop, no doughnut... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have you been exceptionally bad lately? Come serve your penance at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542/penance1.html You'll never commit THAT sin again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:11:11 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: what if.... >Robyn decided that he will no longer work with a record company, will >produce his albums from his kitchen and market them only through the >Internet and will only press the CDs after 200 fans have ordered them. >And on top of that, he charges $50-$75 per? Would you order or would you >feel manipulated? Of course you recognize this as the new conflict in >the world of Prince and there's some serious debate about Prince's motives >and his respect for his fans, etc. I know that I, for one, would not >stroke the ego of anyone (even Paul McCartney and Squeeze) who seems to >shamelessly rank the monetary gain above the music--Prince has a fortune >and he said recently, "I'm #1 at the bank." I can't imagine Robyn saying >anything like this (he'll never have a fortune, I'm afraid), but if he >did, what would YOU do? I'm sorry, but I would have to hang it up.. I can't afford, nor do i want to pay any more for a CD than they're already overcharging. Oh, I'd still be a fan, just a very disappointed fan. LSDiamond, who is apologetic for sending this letter twice to Marcy!! <:) Bad Cop, no doughnut... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have you been exceptionally bad lately? Come serve your penance at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542/penance1.html You'll never commit THAT sin again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:23:27 +0200 From: jlaw@mem.unibe.ch (Jeff Lawrence) Subject: FEG: Re: The Dastardly Pry >From: John Barrington Jones > >That tour was the last for Peter. After the March tour here, Robyn >switched to Steve for managerial duties. Less filling, tastes great. So fill me in here since I've seemed to have missed something (probably when I moving over here). Is Robyn still with Peter Jenner's company for management but just has another person working with him or did he trash Jenner's company completely (metaphorically that is!) and hook up with a different company? When I met Peter and Robyn in the fall last year everything *seemed* cool between 'em so I was wondering what happened (not that it's really any of my business or anything but still... ;-)) And is this the reason for the Antwoman/Wafflehead change too? Anyone care to fill me in? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:49:08 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: what if.... tanter@econs.umass.edu wrote: > > Robyn decided that he will no longer work with a record company, will > produce his albums from his kitchen and market them only through the > Internet and will only press the CDs after 200 fans have ordered them. > And on top of that, he charges $50-$75 per? Would you order or would you > feel manipulated? I second Gene Hopstetter's positive remarks concerning the scenario. As many of you know, Julian Cope is one of my all-time favs (Robyn and he duke it out almost monthly for top-spot), and Julian's been doing this sorta thing in a roundabout way for several years now, albeit these records do have a limited official distribution, but they come out on labels that Julian himself sets up (examples: Skellington I & II, Droolian, Rite, Rite II, etc on the Gogmagog, MoFoCo and Head Heritage labels). With the creation of his new Head Heritage web site, he's taken this a logical step forward. The web site sells several items that are limited to 1000 copies, namely the recent "Propheteering" 7" (sparkly blue vinyl! Ooooh!) and the upcoming "Queen Elizabeth II" album due in September. And yes, I've purchased any and everything I can get my hands on from them. Of course, the price isn't $50-$75, but the items are still pricey, since you have to order them from the UK. They're also getting ready to offer Julian's 3rd book in a limited edition signed hardcover for mailing list subscribers. Another bonus to this scenario: you get to deal directly with some very nice friendly people who know everything about the "product", who know the artist personally, and who can handle mixups and errors pronto! So yeah, I like the idea. A lot! (my only reservation is that this limits the music to only a scant few hardcore fans, and the rest of the world may never get to hear such magical and wonderous music...limited runs inevitably would promote black-market copies as well...hmmm) Mike Coned-on-Mapiuana Runion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:58:29 -0500 (CDT) From: amadain Subject: re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, LSDiamond wrote: > >p.s. I know a lot of fegs don't like the Queen Elvis album...but do any > >of you like OLPOE? Ok, this drove me nuts. Old Pervert Queen of Eyes? (grin) Sometimes this acronym thing gets WOOH (as in way out of hand). > I *love* that song... (I love QE, too, though, so maybe it doesn't > count. ;) I like it ok. Not the best song on not the best album. I like it though. It is still way way better than Perspex but I'd rather not start that old battle up again :). Er, I kinda like Groovy Decoy. Oh, and Eye. I think I have to mention this every couple months or something just so people know I'm not the pod-Susan. Love on ya, Susan P.S. also greeting the returned lord of the dance and sending best wishes for the esteemed quail's recovery (and if you're real nice to me I can get some more of those avian bondage pics like MarkG downloaded for you......) P.P.S. I wouldn't mind it if Robyn called me a minx :) ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 12:47:06 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: More Cones! More Fegdots! Hey all, New cone addition to the VCM courtesy of Tom Clark (animation courtesy of Nick Winkworth). This one's called "Your Majesty is like an exploding phallus!" Whoa there Susan, slow girl, slow! VCM: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm New fegdot addition is Ms. Paula "Lurker" Martin in Lancaster, PA. Fegmaps: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/fegmaps That's all for today. I'll be out of town (NY and PA bound) for the next 5 days. Talk to y'all next week. Mike Out-A-Here Runion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:25:58 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Karl and the Poppers On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > > On the subject of triangles, poppers > Er, would those be what I usually think of when I hear the term "poppers" > (and no smartaleck answers please, most of you know full well what > I would probably think of)? I think that the last verse of 'Elizabeth Jade' would clarify this - Has anyone posted it? It goes something like: Elizabeth Jade Elizabeth Jade you shake me up like pre-war lemonade Elizabeth Jade Elizabeth Jade you shake me up like pre-war lemonade I'm going to have to get a stopper before I become a popper etc. I don't think it can be 'pauper' because it doesn't rhyme and it doesn't maintain the lemonade image. Plus a bottle of lemonade used to be known as 'a bottle of pop', but I haven't heard that expression for years... - Mike (don't you know you'll stain the carpet?) Godwin PS As of today, stack-heeled Ken Ostrander has taken the lead in the 70s quiz! ------------------------------ From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:35:01 -0700 Subject: re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, LSDiamond wrote: >> >p.s. I know a lot of fegs don't like the Queen Elvis album...but do any >> >of you like OLPOE? >Ok, this drove me nuts. Old Pervert Queen of Eyes? (grin) >Sometimes this acronym thing gets WOOH (as in way out of hand). One of the advantages to this method of communication is that we think we're cool when we're sure that we know what the author means. It is like reading TGQ (the great queesinart?) and groking the words from the BHVIAFHD (build a happy vocabulary in about five hundred days) that he uses. I knew what she meant, therefore I think I'm cool. >> I *love* that song... (I love QE, too, though, so maybe it doesn't >> count. ;) >I like it ok. Not the best song on not the best album. I like it though. >It is still way way better than Perspex but I'd rather not start that old >battle up again :). >Er, I kinda like Groovy Decoy. Oh, and Eye. I think I have to mention this >every couple months or something just so people know I'm not the >pod-Susan. Whew, we are much relieved that you aren't pod-susan. Uh. By the way, OLPOE kickes hineys to the max. Dave Brown's version is really cool too. >P.S. also greeting the returned lord of the dance and sending best wishes >for the esteemed quail's recovery (and if you're real nice to me I can get >some more of those avian bondage pics like MarkG downloaded for you......) I'm so embarrassed. Well, they were mostly birdspam, y'know pay sights, egg hatching, birdfeed tonnage by mail order, and really bizzarre stuff. >P.P.S. I wouldn't mind it if Robyn called me a minx :) We didn't mention his comments at the Great American Music Hall this time? "Where is that plaid clad minx? Minx Susan, she is, and she has the power of a hundred rhino horns and the mind of a thousand art school professors. I'm sure she would have been here tonight if she had been saving her frequent internet postage stamps, but she unwisely cashed them all in on a herring. I wonder if she carved it up with a headblade or a fishblade?" Did he say that or am I just making this up? -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 11:22:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: the popper/pauper question >I don't think it can be 'pauper' because it doesn't rhyme Huh? If these two words weren't pronounced exactly the same we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place! If "pauper" is pronounced like "popper" and "popper" rhymes with "stopper" it must therefore follow that "pauper" rhymes with "stopper". (I sense we're headed for Seuss territory here...) >Elizabeth Jade Elizabeth Jade you shake me up like pre-war lemonade >Elizabeth Jade Elizabeth Jade you shake me up like pre-war lemonade >I'm going to have to get a stopper before I become a popper. of course pauper makes less sense, but then I have trouble making sense out of many of Hitchcock's lyrics. Move over, bucky/mucky...there's a new controversy in camp feg, and this one hasn't even been released yet! -rr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 11:27:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: OLPOE personally, I like OLPOE. But I'm also a QE fan so the question wasn't really directed at me. However, I'd be interested to know what others think of DKGT, SDIOWWE and SKJHDFIVUGKBSDFVKLIHOSFIHVBGIKWUGDVC, which are among my faves. -rr BTW, MG, I think it's spelled "Cuisinart" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: the popper/pauper question >Huh? If these two words weren't pronounced exactly the same we wouldn't be >having this discussion in the first place! If "pauper" is pronounced like >"popper" and "popper" rhymes with "stopper" it must therefore follow that >"pauper" rhymes with "stopper". (I sense we're headed for Seuss territory >here...) To quote Beavis, "No, I said I POOP TOO MUCH!" Don't know why that seemed appropriate here. i'm so bored i'm drinkin bleach! lj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:29:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: the popper/pauper question On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Huh? If these two words weren't pronounced exactly the same we wouldn't be > having this discussion in the first place! I think you'll find that - like "caught" and "cot", or "Dawn" and "Don" - "pauper" and "popper" are the same in some Englishes and not in others. P.S. I once got into a strange misunderstanding when I thought that someone said "stocker" (as in stock-boy) when they said "stalker", but it wasn't very interesting. P.P.S. A couple of years back, when Deni Bonet opened for Hitchcock in Ann Arbor, she and her accompanist did a routine about how various people on the tour bus pronounced the words "Mary", "merry", and "marry", which have different vowels in different dialects, but that wasn't very interesting either. Come to think of it Deni blamed the whole thing on Mushy Jenner. -- "I hope you're not going out to get up to any of your silly toast antics" - Toast Kid's dad (in _Viz_) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:50:05 -0500 From: John Littlejohn Subject: re:sydmania (feg-dig #187) At 10:35 AM 8/6/97 -0700, Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: >I knew what she >meant, therefore I think I'm cool. > Sapientio ergo Cool sum? JL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:58:34 -0500 From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: the popper/pauper question At 02:29 PM 8/6/97 -0500, Tracy Aileen Copeland wrote: > >On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > >> Huh? If these two words weren't pronounced exactly the same we wouldn't be >> having this discussion in the first place! > > I think you'll find that - like "caught" and "cot", or "Dawn" and >"Don" - "pauper" and "popper" are the same in some Englishes and not in >others. > Of course RH, like Dylan, doesn't always rigidly follow rules of pronunciation, just as long as he's pretty close. Remember this golden oldie: "Darling, you don't have to call me starling/Stalin..." JL ------------------------------ From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:10:02 -0700 Subject: stuffage, too long, read only if bored... One of the recent threads suggested the degradation of quality of material by aging musical artists. In Dan Bern's song on the subject he talks about "too late to crash, too late to burn, too late to die... young." It starts with the line "When Elvis died was like a mercy killing, America breathed a sigh of relief." (Get the Dan Bern CD.- Really) If Jimi and Jim had survived and gone through a Vegas period, how many of us would be able to hold our lunch with the mere thought of the image. I know it's rough on Courtney Love that she's lost her stabilizing influence, but sometimes it seems a little hard for me to stick my neck out to make assumptions about how great someone's music would be if they were still here. Besides, how are they going to have festering hives of impersonators at the tricentennial if our stars are going to live forever? -- Prince, or whatever his name is... If RH did this, I would buy it probably ear unheard, but since he performs his songs for years before he releases studio cuts, we'd at least already know how good the songs were prior to his secret sales campaign. I had heard most of the songs that wound up on ME and would consider it's comparative worth in the general music market place in the hundreds of dollars. It was a real bargain at thirteen. As an aside, I like the guerilla marketing and personal control idea, and have great respect for the P man, but will probably continue at my current number of owned Prince/artist-formerly-known-as CD's at 0. Also, I offer limited-edition CD's for people who have way too much money to spend, kind of as a service to them so they can lighten their load at the same time as allowing them to help a struggling musician friend. I don't think of it as gouging in this instance, because they can buy the regular version from me for a more reasonable rate. -- Russ, Queasinart was the actual-real-true-not-a-word that I misspelled. I'm quite happy that Quail and Cuisinart are so far apart in the dictionary. His little accident could have been worse, y'kno. Of course, quail-o-matic is right after quail. You still with us The? -- TGQ, Tom offered, but I figured that Apple needed my money, so I bought it myself. He gets something for every system 8 that they sell, so I'm sure it's for the best anyway. He also offered to help bring me back to the Cupertino Fruit Consortium, which is incredibly tempting. BTW, "The" is a great first name. I wish my parents had been as clever as yours. I have to deal with this also, since I inherited their damn DNA too. Some guys get all the breaks. -- James Dignan, pal, hang tight. I will really reply soon to your helpful memo. I have your CD in the package ready to send. It's just a snailswim away, thanks to our dependance upon a single source for so much of our parcel cartage here in the land of the free and the home of the Yankees (I like the Mets better- and I really don't like the braves- jeez why am I telling you this, I don't even like baseball much). -- Toastwoman (our superheroine), I still have faith. It continues to be wonderful to be a Capricorn. Yes? -- Eb, uh. I'll ask you about it later. -- making myself and hopefully somebody else laugh... -Mark Gloster suddenly, thanks to Mike Runion and Nick Winksalot, perhaps the most recognizable feg! http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/rotomrk1.htm (of course, that could be one of the Mark Gloster impersonators) I live in two dimensional virtual space at: http://www.tigermonkey.com/mark.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 17:07:15 -0500 From: John Littlejohn Subject: Email Test (No Hitchcon whatsoever) Have new email program. Just wanna see if address book works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 23:20:34 UT From: "jeffery vaska" Subject: THE SOFT BOYS REUNITE? hi gang, well i too have heard the stories about kimberly and robyn doing some stuff recently, but i found some info at the warner/robyn site - is this for real? (note: posted on august 4)... FROM: Sleepy DATE: Mon Aug 4 08:17:42 PDT 1997 Guess what? I saw the Soft Boys last night! It was an unexpected (for me) reunion gig at a friend's party! Robyn, Andy, Morris, Kimberley Rew and Matthew Seligman were there. Andy and Matthew played the same bass - together, at the same time! The set list was as follows:- Give it to the Soft Boys, Where are the Prawns? Bells of Rhymney, Queen of Eyes, Mystery Train, I like bananas (because they have no bones), Underwater Moonlight, Beautiful Queen and Listening to the Higsons. It was great!. i haven't heard anybody mention this in the last couple of days... geez, what a party we all missed... ta-ra!...jv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .