From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #190 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 190 Tuesday August 5 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Grateful Bones Radix Omnis Malorum est "Mellow Rock" Mental Mastication.. Re: need info on Dec 6, 1996 gigs Re: The Dastardly Pry Re: John Wesley Harding (NO RH!) Re: Influences - and a small Hitchcock snipette Re: John Wesley Harding, shameless plug Re: John Wesley Harding, shameless plug 14th Cone Re: Mental Mastication Re: Mental Mastication What the Lord of the Dance did on his summer vacation... Re: Mental Mastication ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Grateful Bones On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Eb wrote: > The GQ wrote: > >I would kill to hear Bob Weir cover a Robyn tune! > Funny, I would kill to AVOID hearing Weir cover a Robyn tune. ;) Funny, I HAVE killed to avoid hearing Weir cover a Robyn tune. Am I the only one on the list to have done this? Surely not! J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:49:43 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Radix Omnis Malorum est "Mellow Rock" >>>I would kill to hear Bob Weir cover a Robyn tune! >> Funny, I would kill to AVOID hearing Weir cover a Robyn tune. ;) >Funny, I HAVE killed to avoid hearing Weir cover a Robyn tune. >Am I the only one on the list to have done this? Surely not! No, you're not alone. Indeed, when I lived in Lebanon in the mid-1980's, I was forced on several occasions to commit mass bombings, kidnappings, and several so-called "terrorist atrocities" in my efforts to avoid hearing Bob and his bunch covering just about any tune, including his/their own. Of course, this is nothing compared to the lengths to which I had to go to avoid having to hear significant amounts of "The Eagles' Greatest Hits," or just about anything by James Taylor or Jimmy Buffett. Remember that terrible war in Bosnia? That was me. (Well, the non-genocidal part, anyway. Hey, it's not like they were playing old Jerry Garcia Band LP's.) Lately I've become more accepting, however. Why, just a month ago I sat calmly in a podiatrist's waiting room for *nearly five minutes* enduring a Jackson Browne album before destroying the entire city block (and several adjoining ones, actually) with a small thermonuclear device. I regret the loss of life and the terrible suffering inflicted on all of those people and their families, but they should have known better than to play those records without headphones. As I've always said, if more people would simply listen to Robyn Hitchcock albums, the world would be a much happier place. And maybe it would be easier to get decent crabs, too... --JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:58:53 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Mental Mastication.. I'm still *way* behind with my digests--and I'm writing this from home where I don't have them to refer to, but anyway, having chewed on a few ideas since reading some earlier; a few thoughts.. Thanks to everyone who suggested what the techno/indian classical thing I mentioned I'd heard might have been. It might also have been (but wasn't, actually) another good CD I just bought this afternoon.. "Talvin Singh presents - Soundz of the Asian Underground". It's on Mango here in the US and it was even in a Tower Records listening station. So if a cross between asian classical and trip-hop sounds interesting - Nick says "check it out"! Bonus Tracks: For all you who complained about the original integrity of an album being compromised by so-called "bonus tracks" (and I sympathize, by the way), simply create a digital copy of the album - *without* the tracks you don't want - onto MiniDisc (you *have* all bought your MiniDisc recorders, right? ;-)). If you ever want to listen to the bonus tracks you can always play the original CD. Mike's Quiz: Brilliant Mike! I'm so impressed. I can't answer any of the questions... but boy, I'm impressed. The Dead: I've never understood the attraction myself. Every track I've heard just sounded so ...ordinary. Maybe I should have inhaled... LSDiamond of Oz: If you play "Brain Damage" backwards in the left speaker while the munchkin song plays *forwards* in the right, you'll hear the ghostly voice of Paul McCartney in the center saying "Syd is dead". Honest. Names: (obRobyn coincidence): In the US, at least, Robin can be a male or female name. But "Robyn"? Well I just discovered that the manager of my local Service Merchandise store (female), who I had assumed from our phone conversation was "Robin" turned out to be "Robyne". Just thought you'd like to know... Ramblin' on, and on... ~N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:26:17 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: need info on Dec 6, 1996 gigs >also sprach John Barrington Jones : > >>Do any of you out there keep old tour info? I usually do, but I can't find >>any info on the Dec 6 1996 gigs. > >i've been haphazardly keeping a list of tour dates, but i don't seem to >have this one on the list. however, i do remember that the location >was, as you surmised, lupo's, providence. i don't remember there being >two shows that evening, but i wouldn't trust my memory that far. ;) Folks-- I went through and listened to the tapes tonight. They are from Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ. I'm not sure when the Lupo's date was, but it wasn't the 6th. Thanks to Timothy Jones for pointing me in the right direction. Those are tricky shows, as they weren't part of a specific tour, and therefore were not as well documented as the bragg tour or the later igor tour with readings and funky props. I'm almost done with my updated list! -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:lobstie@e-z.net web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Force is the weapon of the weak." -Ammon Hennessey \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:05:32 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: The Dastardly Pry >"Minx - V. brief fax to say hope the film & the Keegans were wonderful - and >the gig was fine, I think, though I missed your assessment - what a dry >thing to miss! Ron Sexsmith turned up and sent you his...regards? More >dryness, shucks! Vaughn & I out of Nashville pronto, but I may not call >till Athens. Have called Jefferson but not heard back. Oh yeah! Cones 11, >T-shirts 3. Thank you, PJ! They went for it. Sleep well, darling, or >happy wake-up!" >Anyway, just thought you all might be interested. If anyone can help >decipher this letter (PJ? Minx?), have at it. Jefferson is obviously Mr. >Holt, REM's ex-manager. Damn! I can't believe I didn't get this. It hit me while I was at work... PJ== Peter Jenner!!! That tour was the last for Peter. After the March tour here, Robyn switched to Steve for managerial duties. Less filling, tastes great. G'night. -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:lobstie@e-z.net web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Force is the weapon of the weak." -Ammon Hennessey \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 02:13:50 -0700 From: librik@netcom.com (David Librik) Subject: Re: John Wesley Harding (NO RH!) If it helps put this thread any more back on-topic, Andy Ruppenstein (whatever happened to him?) and I sat next to Wes during Robyn's 9/21/94 show at the Great American Music Hall. So the man has fine taste in music. - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:53:45 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Influences - and a small Hitchcock snipette Did you ever read 'Small World' by David Lodge, where the hero is writing a PhD about the influence of T S Eliot _on_ Shakespeare? David Lodge is a prof of English, so he quite probably picked up the idea from Borges. - Mike Godwin PS RH content: I vote for 'popper' - makes more sense in a lemonade context, and I'm sure that's what he sang last week. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:08:40 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: John Wesley Harding, shameless plug On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, David Librik wrote: > If it helps put this thread any more back on-topic, Andy Ruppenstein > (whatever happened to him?) and I sat next to Wes during Robyn's 9/21/94 > show at the Great American Music Hall. So the man has fine taste in > music. Apparently Wes was once part of the Cambridge folk scene along with Andy White and my mate David Lewis, all of whom were heavily into Bob Dylan. Not sure of the dates, but must have been quite a while ago. I presume he picked up on RH at that time. Shameless plug dept: Wes was heavily involved in David Lewis's first CD and is also working on his soon-to-be-completed second album. Watch out for them! - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:08:40 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: John Wesley Harding, shameless plug On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, David Librik wrote: > If it helps put this thread any more back on-topic, Andy Ruppenstein > (whatever happened to him?) and I sat next to Wes during Robyn's 9/21/94 > show at the Great American Music Hall. So the man has fine taste in > music. Apparently Wes was once part of the Cambridge folk scene along with Andy White and my mate David Lewis, all of whom were heavily into Bob Dylan. Not sure of the dates, but must have been quite a while ago. I presume he picked up on RH at that time. Shameless plug dept: Wes was heavily involved in David Lewis's first CD and is also working on his soon-to-be-completed second album. Watch out for them! - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:47:48 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: 14th Cone Nick Winkworth's "The Last Chicken In The Shop" is now ready for viewing in the Virtual Cone Museum. This cone was purchased at the Great American Music Hall out in San Francicso. Look for three more cones to come from these Bay Area guys in the next few weeks or so. VCM: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 08:45:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Mental Mastication Nick writes: >Bonus Tracks: For all you who complained about the original integrity of >an album being compromised by so-called "bonus tracks" (and I >sympathize, by the way), simply create a digital copy of the album - >*without* the tracks you don't want - onto MiniDisc (you *have* all >bought your MiniDisc recorders, right? ;-)). If you ever want to listen >to the bonus tracks you can always play the original CD. you can also program your CD player to play just the original tracks. But neither is quick and convenient, and neither solves the shuffle problem: you pop "Eye" in the changer with four other discs and you end up hearing 57 versions of "Queen Elvis". And Nobody hearing the album for the first time is going to go through the trouble of doing either. Hence, the spirit of the album is diluted from the get go. Now here's my somewhat related idea: a CD changer with "link" and "omit" capabilities for shuffle mode. Before pressing the shuffle button, you could program your player to "omit" certain tracks. You could also "link" tracks together to keep medleys in tact during shuffle play. These two options would solve the two main problems with CD shuffling: partial medleys and songs you just don't want to hear. Why hasn't this been done yet? (when one of you engineers creates one of these, all I want in return for making you rich is the prototype). -rr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:33:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Mental Mastication Russ mentioned "link" and "omit" functions for cd's... I'm pretty sure at least the "omit" feature has been available for a long time with CDR drives; software supports naming of tracks and disks as well. as i understand it cd's have a "fingerprint" the drive can recognise when you put it in again. I'd be surprised if the 300-disc jukeboxes that plug into your TV so you can program them, didn't have such a feature (perhaps they lack the ability to "save" such programming?) ------------------------------ From: rielwj@sbu.edu Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 18:59:41 EST5DST Subject: What the Lord of the Dance did on his summer vacation... ...was not very much, really. Just had trouble getting to a computer because the school has done a ton of remodling and switching to new severs, etc, and we need to get our home PC upgraded before we get net capable at home, so...I have kept up on the list a bit anyhow but I am admittedly out of touch. Perhaps the Quail can give me one of his patented 200 page recaps? (har har--just a good natured poke in your feathery ribs, Sir Quail). My summer was actually spent building a fence around my house which is now a veritable compound, reading, going to movies, and building my very first home page which, half-way through, has had a change in philsophy, but it's there, as rudimentary as it is. For now, a lovely hello to you all.... Lord of the Dance www.geocities.com\Hollywood\Lot\1178\index.htm ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Mental Mastication Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 12:45:51 -0700 From: Tom Clark On 8/5/97 9:33 AM, Bayard wrote: >Russ mentioned "link" and "omit" functions for cd's... I'm pretty sure at >least the "omit" feature has been available for a long time with CDR >drives; software supports naming of tracks and disks as well. as i >understand it cd's have a "fingerprint" the drive can recognise when you >put it in again. I'd be surprised if the 300-disc jukeboxes that plug >into your TV so you can program them, didn't have such a feature (perhaps >they lack the ability to "save" such programming?) There are commercial CD players on the market that allow you to keep "programs", i.e., only play certain cuts from certain CD's, but I think they are limited to 'x' number of songs. And yes, indeed, each CD has a unique id. Whether it was designed in or not, I don't know. Individual manufacturers may just use their own hashing algorithms (oooh geek talk!). Every Macintosh with a CD-ROM drive comes with a CD Player application that allows you to save such preferences for every CD you listen to. Sony makes a component (CTR-L300) that controls up to three of their 100 disc changers. It has something called "Custom File". It has memory to store disc names, group names, delete tracks and output level for all 300 discs. The CDP-CX270 is a 200 CD changer that can control another 200 changer as well. Also has a keyboard input for entering the info for each CD, AND it shows all the info on your TV. Sorry, I just get off on this stuff. RobynStuff: "Uncorrected Personality Traits" released today! Minx on ya baby, -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Cheez Whiz is not something you eat... It's something you see a urologist for." - Dennis Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .