From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #185 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 185 Sunday August 3 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Here comes a chopper to chop off your head RotoMark! AndyP/RobynH I just flew in from the coast. . . . Grateful Bones Re: XTC Free Beer 70s Quiz syd and nanc-- er, robyn Re: XTC Re: RotoMark! Re: syd and nanc-- er, robyn Re: RotoMark! Re: Grateful Bones Re: Grateful Bones Re: Grateful Bones Re: Grateful Bones Re: XTC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:53:13 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Here comes a chopper to chop off your head >>I take it you mean "Oranges and Lemons". For a sixties fan like you, Tel, I >>would suggest trying "Skylarking" instead (even though my favourite's >>"English Settlement"). > >See? See? I TOLD you...it's one or the other. ;) Well, for me it's both, but I usually recommend "Skylarking" for beginners because it's less of a mouthful than "English Settlement." Or, for the completely uninitiated, there's always the best-of compilation, "Upsy Daisy," the one with the happy lamb on the cover. "Oranges and Lemons" has a lot of good tunes on it, but it's waaayyy over-produced - very busy and artificial-sounding - and should have been trimmed to a single album (I can think of at least 4-5 songs that could have been tossed). It also contains one of my least favorite XTC songs, which I won't mention for fear of incurring the wrath of its myriad fans. Just to tie this all in with the subject of this list, I know that Robyn is an XTC fan, but unfortunately it doesn't work in reverse - Andy Partridge once declared that Robyn has spent his whole career "ripping off everything Syd Barrett has ever done" and said more recently that he had no interest in Robyn's music - "Prefer Robin Hood." and so it goes, n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:12:29 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: RotoMark! Hey all, A fresh new item of dubious and perhaps devious nature has been added as a special feature in the Virtual Cone Museum. It involves one psychedelically spinning Mark Gloster. Warning: watching RotoMark spin more than 5 times in a row has caused irreparable nerve damage in small epileptic white mice and certain Florida Spacecoast crustaceans. Swirling takes up all my time, Mike Runion VCM initiates go to: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:28:58 -0500 From: hal brandt Subject: AndyP/RobynH Natalie Jacobs wrote: > I know that Robyn is > an XTC fan, but unfortunately it doesn't work in reverse - Andy Partridge > once declared that Robyn has spent his whole career "ripping off everything > Syd Barrett has ever done" and said more recently that he had no interest > in Robyn's music - "Prefer Robin Hood." That's interesting because on a tape I have of one of the Kershaw sessions (BBC-10.25.86; not on the CD), Andy P. and Robyn appear together and Andy seems to be dying to produce Robyn ("Robyn, you need a knob twiddler!"). That pairing of course never happened, so maybe Andy's comments you quoted have a soury grape taste to them. I mean yes, the Syd influence is obvious (and constantly acknowledged by Robyn), but Robyn certainly has his own voice these days. hal ------------------------------ Subject: I just flew in from the coast. . . . Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 11:02:07 -0000 From: The Great Quail . . . and boy, are my wings tired! Heh, heh, it's always the oldies, isn't it? But actually, I *was* camping this last weekend at Rehoboth beach. I swear that Nick Cave was there on a beach chair ten feet besides me, but he was tan and was drinking a Sprite, so it couldn't really have been him. Oh yes! I should warn you in advance that this letter actually has Robyn content near the end! Well, I am back, relatively able to type, and I have been trying to catch up on old Feg mail. As Jay once told me, it is, indeed, impossible. But first, a few things: 1. Thanks to all the people who sent me kind letters of sympathy and such when I sliced my thumb. That was really thoughtful! (Of course, I did have something of a mental wrestling match with the Angel of Guilt. It went something like this: "Gee, Quail, look at all those get-well letters! You should respond to them!" -- "But Angel, the reason I wrote was because I *couldn't* write! Writing brings pain!" -- "But they were all sooooo *nice.*" -- "But they *knew* I couldn't write a thank you note back! They'll understand! These are people that are going to but the Rhino Greatest Hits CD, even though they have all the songs, just to support Robyn and read a few Feg's names in the liner notes!" -- "Oh, Quail! Oi, vey, you are letting me down - so what's a little pain, you selfish ingrate?" And so on. But, as most of you know due to my week and a half of silence, I finally won, and I successfully strangled the Angel of Guilt with his own halo. I then promptly fell back asleep.) 2. It's weird not having any feeling in the end of your thumb. I've already thought of a few cool party games and bar tricks I can now do to freak people out. If you have any new ones, let me know! 3. If this was already discussed, I am sorry - I didn't read all 56,000 posts from the last week. (My hamster usually sorts them out for me, but he's on vacation this week.) This month's "Raygun" magazine has a "Film and Music" theme, and they ask some singers what there favorite movies are. And, lo and behold, Robyn is one of them! So if you see a copy, at least read that part while you are casually acting like you may be, perhaps, thinking about buying the magazine, while in reality you are reading all the good bits, knowing full well that unless there is a semi-naked picture of Tori Amos you are not going to buy it. . . . 5. I was just loaned an album by Space called "Spiders," and I really, really like it! Are there any other Space fans out there, or is this another one of those things I probably should have deleted bfore sending, like I did with Number 4? --The Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Subject: Grateful Bones Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 11:03:26 -0000 From: The Great Quail I recall that there was a discussion a little while back on the Chinese Bones cover performed by Suzanne Vega and the Grateful Dead in 1988. I recently found a store with a few copies of the whole set. It's a 2 CD bootleg set, so it's quite pricey - $52.99 - but the quality is pretty good. I would be happy to pick one up if anyone wishes, but since there is only one Robyn song, and the rest is a standard Dead set, so I won't be holding my breath. Just let me know if you are interested! -- The Quail PS: It sounds pretty strange. The Dead couldn't play as tight as the Egyptians if the fate of the Rainforests depended on it, so you get this bizarre Dead interpretation with additional guitar noodles and really off-beat keyboard hiccups. Suzie sings alone, though - which is a shame, because I would kill to hear Bob Weir cover a Robyn tune! PPS: Judging from the audience response, they liked it. Which brings to mind this curious fact: that was probably the most people who ever heard and applauded a Robyn Hitchcock song at once! PPPS: Um, come to think of it, having been to many Dead shows, I really can't vouch for the audience. They're usually so stoned that they would cheer if the Dead covered a Hall and Oats song. (Hey wait a minute, lemme look at this setlist again. . . .) PPPS: Am I the only Deadhead on the list? ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 07:57:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: XTC Dolph spoke: >not to mention those who like _Black Sea_ best, a group which includes >at least myself and ex-Zappa guitarist Mike Keneally you, me & Mike seem to be in the minority, Dolph. But I have NEVER tired of "Black Sea". I'm surprised nobody's mentioned "Drums & Wires" either. But then the CD reissues of both BS and D&W have sub-par bonus tracks added right in the middle, so perhaps not many people have heard these two brilliant albums in their true form. Just out of curiosity, Chalkhills people: how often does a discussion of Robyn Hitchcock's music break out on the XTC list? 'Cause they seem to get lots of time on this list. -rr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:09:30 -0700 From: Jim_Neill@rhinorecords.com (Jim Neill) Subject: Free Beer Actually not. BUT anyone who had a fanecdote published in the liners to our new Rhino Hitch comp can have a copy gratis. Just send me address and I will oblige. FYI it hits the street this Tuesday 8/5. You are Griffith Davies, Carl Zimring, MItchell Dickerman, Shane D. Brashear, Pete Bilderback, Gene Hopstetter, Susan Dodge, Lee Gray, Josh Pickering, Mike Hooker, Andy Zax, Rick Gershon, and Kay Lord. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:34:35 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: 70s Quiz OK, all you enthusiasts who reckon that the 70s were more memorable than the 90s - how much do you really remember? Why not have a shot at the M.R.Godwin 70s quiz? Only ten questions! * * * * * * * * 1. Which band were unable to get it on in the States? What did they do about it? Name of band:________________________ Explanation:_________________________ _____________________________________ 2. "You've got to keep your backstage passes 'cause the promoter has the muscle" Name of song:__________________________ Name of singer:________________________ 3. 'Tired Angels' was recorded by which band? To whom was it dedicated? Name of band:____________________________________ Dedicatee:_______________________________________ 4. Two members of the Crazy World of Arthur Brown went on to 1970s hit groups. Name the two members:____________________________________ Name the two groups:_____________________________________ 5. 'I used to be disgusted'. 'Oh, why is that?' Name of song:_______________________________________ Name of singer:_____________________________________ 6. 'It was the third of September, a day I'll always remember' Why:_________________________________ Title of song:_______________________ Name of band:________________________ 7. This ex-Mother of Invention formed his own band, taking another Mother with him for the first album: Name him:____________________________ Name the other Mother:_______________ Name the band:_______________________ 8. Tanz der Youth was formed by which guitarist? What band had he just left? Name of guitarist:___________________ Name of band he left:________________ 9. Name the guitar soloists and bands for these songs: 'Reeling in the years' Soloist:________________________ Band:___________________________ '(Sometimes I feel so) Uninspired' Soloist:________________________ Band:___________________________ 'Goodbye to love' Soloist:______________________ Band:_________________________ 10. Who connects Robyn Hitchcock with Mott the Hoople? Name of person:________________________ Explanation:___________________________ _______________________________________ Special bonus question: Why were the housewives all complaining to the manager? Reason:_______________________________ Artiste:______________________________ In the event of a tie, please state your favourite 70s record, which will be awarded marks for memorableness, weirdness and star quality:: Favourite 70s record:__________________________________________ Answers by 8th August, please. No conferring. No hesitation, deviation or repetition. Steer well clear of Mornington Crescent. That's it! - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: syd and nanc-- er, robyn > Just to tie this all in with the subject of this list, I know that Robyn is > an XTC fan, but unfortunately it doesn't work in reverse - Andy Partridge > once declared that Robyn has spent his whole career "ripping off everything > Syd Barrett has ever done" and said more recently that he had no interest > in Robyn's music - "Prefer Robin Hood." Given their common interests and influences, isn't it unlikely that Partridge wouldn't like any of RH's stuff? As for "everything SB has ever done", RH only ripped off a tiny piece of what he did. The rest was ripped off by everyone else. And speaking of Syd, aside from starting The Pink Floyd, writing songs ranging from brilliant to hopelessly strung out, and generally changing the face of music as we know it, what ever DID he do? Are these "rock n roll firsts" that belong to him? 1 first to mess up his hair with really vile thick goop (what was this again? some sort of wax?) 2 first to wear pale makeup 3 first serious acid casualty 4 first to lose sanity 5 first leader to be dumped by the rest of the group (surely not!) If these are really his "innovations", it's not wonder he's romanticized... he's the beginning of punk, goth and alternative! (; ------------------------------ From: "Glynyrd Skynyrd" Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:10:39 -0800 Subject: Re: XTC A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Russ Reynolds wrote: > But then the CD reissues of both BS and D&W have > sub-par bonus tracks added right in the middle, so perhaps not many > people have heard these two brilliant albums in their true form. > There also happens to be a bonus track on SKYLARKING. I think it's called "Dear God". ;-) X 10, --g "The Rolling Stones are now the world's most authentic Stones tribute band. They sound remarkably like themselves, even if they have to sample the cowbell in 'Honky Tonk Women'." from "In search of the greatest rock band" by Andy Smith, Providence Journal-Bulletin, July 20, 1997 *************** Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ *************** ------------------------------ From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:57:46 -0700 Subject: Re: RotoMark! >A fresh new item of dubious and perhaps devious nature has been >added as a special feature in the Virtual Cone Museum. It >involves one psychedelically spinning Mark Gloster. Warning: >watching RotoMark spin more than 5 times in a row has caused >irreparable nerve damage in small epileptic white mice and >certain Florida Spacecoast crustaceans. While it's not Wayne Newton power-drilling six inch wood screws into his head, it is amusing. I am curious how Nick got Mark to do such a silly thing since both of those guys are so serious and tough-natured. Geez, Mark is so shy, too, while being simultaneously dubious and devious. I stared at it for substantially more than five times in a row. I don't feel any bizzarre changes. But then, am I immune to this sort of thing? >VCM initiates go to: > http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm Thanks Mike for immor(t)alizing me for the expanses of time, not just those of my own mind. happies, -Markg "Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better!" -Laurie Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:08:56 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: syd and nanc-- er, robyn On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bayard wrote: > And speaking of Syd, aside from starting The Pink Floyd, writing songs > ranging from brilliant to hopelessly strung out, and generally changing > the face of music as we know it, what ever DID he do? Are these > "rock n roll firsts" that belong to him? > 1 first to mess up his hair with really vile thick goop (what was this > again? some sort of wax?) Mandrax tablets mixed with something sticky - Brylcreem perhaps? Further info welcomed(?). Elvis Presley was well ahead of him here - and Cliff Richard. > 2 first to wear pale makeup Is this right? I have no recollection of the Floyd ever doing anything except stand around looking ordinary (apart from the light show). > 3 first serious acid casualty There must be a US candidate or two - after all, you had the stuff first... > 4 first to lose sanity George III and several barmy Plantagenet kings were good at this. But if you want to stick to rock'n'roll, Roky Erikson is up there (and is a contender for (3) as well...) > 5 first leader to be dumped by the rest of the group (surely not!) Brian Jones is a possibility. He certainly still _thought_ he was the leader after he had already been elbowed aside. > If these are really his "innovations", it's not wonder he's > romanticized... he's the beginning of punk, goth and alternative! (; You could be right. Lou Reed is the other candidate. Strange that similar claims can be made for two such different songwriters. - Mike ("It's just that...start again...I'll start again") Godwin ------------------------------ Subject: Re: RotoMark! Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 11:18:33 -0700 From: Tom Clark feeling...a...little...woozy.........urghhhh... ah, much better. maisie, -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:45:25 -0500 From: hal brandt CC: "Fegmaniax!" Subject: Re: Grateful Bones The Great Quail wrote: > > I recall that there was a discussion a little while back on the Chinese > Bones cover performed by Suzanne Vega and the Grateful Dead in 1988. > > I recently found a store with a few copies of the whole set. It's a 2 CD > bootleg set, so it's quite pricey - $52.99 Why pay that when the Dead taper community still runs rampant?! > having been to many Dead shows, I really > can't vouch for the audience. They're usually so stoned that they would > cheer if the Dead covered a Hall and Oats song. That's a pretty broad generalization. Ever heard of the "Wharf Rats"? > Am I the only Deadhead on the list? Nope! I'm listening to Dick's Picks 8 as I type! Swirling and Twirling, hal ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Grateful Bones Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 12:02:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Great Quail" On 8/1/97 11:45 AM, hal brandt stated emphatically: >> Am I the only Deadhead on the list? > >Nope! I'm listening to Dick's Picks 8 as I type! > >Swirling and Twirling, > >hal While I don't consider myself a Deadhead, I do indulge every now and again. Especially at: www.deadradio.com. All Dead, all the time over RealAudio. Perfect for those "happy" work days. space, -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://u2.netgate.net/~tclark http://twentiethanniversary.apple.com/ Order Yours Today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:07:42 -0500 From: hal brandt CC: The Nasal Douche Club Subject: Re: Grateful Bones Tom Clark wrote: > While I don't consider myself a Deadhead, I do indulge every now and > again. All you need to be a "Deadhead" is to listen to the music and enjoy! No tie-dye, nitrous, patchouli oil or obsessive behavior required! hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:12:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Grateful Bones The GQ wrote: >I would kill to hear Bob Weir cover a Robyn tune! Funny, I would kill to AVOID hearing Weir cover a Robyn tune. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:14:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: XTC Russ wrote: >Just out of curiosity, Chalkhills people: how often does a discussion of >Robyn Hitchcock's music break out on the XTC list? Zippo, at least while I was there. As far as I could tell, those folks are really only interested in music that sounds EXTREMELY like XTC...ie the Sugarplastic, Martin Newell, Yazbek. Heck, they don't even like to discuss the Beatles. Eb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .