From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #182 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 182 Wednesday July 30 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) antwoman missive numero four re: Uncorrected Personality Traits twizzling Robyn's Favorite Flicks. SF college-rock of the '80s Re: Robyn's Favorite Flicks. recommedations, apologies, but eff-all Robyn (sorry!) Live Death Re: Live Death Robyn Horror Picture Show Re: Shooglenifty (70% proof content) Re: Robyn's Favorite Flicks. New Fegmap Additions! Re: WOMAD set list (100% guaranteed RH content) Need Loud Family help (0% RH) r.k. barrett Breaking up Re: music with a sense of humour Re: Breaking up John Lennon (.5% RH) Re[2]: Breaking up Robyn - Momus Greedy S.O.B. Re: Need Loud Family help (0% RH) Re: John Lennon Re: music with a sense of humour ------------------------------ From: Jeff Vaska Subject: RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:44:10 -0700 Um, in my own defense, my email application went crazy on me last night - it probably has something to do with MSN account... As I attempted to say, in response to NickW... I'm out of touch now, but the most active scene when I was last over in the UK was in the asian (read "Indian and Pakistani") community. Bhangra up and died a while back, but there are new threads emerging. I heard this great Indian classical/techno crossover thing. Brilliant! But I have no idea who it was. Sounds like Cornershop! I highly recommend that people check them out - a real genuine mix of punk/techno/eastern oriental influences. Go find their record "Womans Gotta Have It" - a worthy listen for enlightened ears... Tjinder Singh now has a reputation for being "one the most crucially important Asian figures, since the 70's." Sorry there's no Robyn content and that I am also posting the same message twice, but even I, the person who wrote the former note, couldn't make too much sense of it. Ta-ra all!!...jv ---------- From: jeffery vaska [SMTP:jvaska@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 10:57 PM Subject: RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) [] so says nick (what the hell are these pesky little marks?? - do you see em' or is it just me?). I'm out of touch now, but the most active scene when I was last over in the UK was in the asian (read "Indian and Pakistani") community. Bhangra up and died a while back, but there are new threads emerging. I heard this great Indian classical/techno crossover thing. Brilliant! But I have no idea who it was. [] perhaps it was talvin singh and/or cornershop doing their thing. check em out - a mixture of punk and traditional punjabiesque stuff (jullander shere!!... d [] a [] m [] n [] i [] t [] [] ! [] ! [] [] [] w [] h [] a [] t [] [] t [] h [] e [] [] h [] e [] l [] l [] ? [] ? * From Italy: "Novalia" - Italian afro-folk with an Irish beat. From Japan: "Denki Groove" - Japanese punk-metal-ambient-techno. Yow! [] [] excellent, thanks for the tip... as i was saying before my email thing went psycho - cornershop can be found on wiiija/luakabop/warner bros. records. ta- [] r [] a [] ! [] . [] . [] . [] j [] v [] god this is annoying...jesus christ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:41:51 -0400 From: elwoj of robyndell Subject: antwoman missive numero four sorry for the lateness of this forward -- as you may recall, i was out of town last weekend and, as you probably don't recall, i was busily celebrating my birthday yesterday. >Howdy Antwoman-ites, > Hope someone is living somewhere where summer is actually happening >for more than a day at a time. . . > >So, the run of the 12 Bar dates is almost at an end, and besides the heat I >reckon they've been quite a treat for everyone whose managed to get in. And >no, I won't be relaying set lists of Robyn shows. . . you all seem to do >quite well at that on the Warner's message board. > >To answer more questions you all ask: >Robyn will not be doing any more US dates this year except Bumbershoot. > >'Storefront Hitchcock' may have a small preview at CMJ in NYC, BUT we are >not sure at this time if 1) it's definite; 2) it's only for the press; 3) if >it's only for those attending CMJ; 4) if anyone else can go . . so this is >to be confirmed. The Demme people will also be submitting it to be shown at >Sundance next year. Tentitively it will be out in the US in March and in the >UK in May. When it gets closer to the time, we'll know more for definite. >Also waiting for the final song-listing on the album Warner's will release >to coincide with the film and the release date for that. > >Rhino IS releasing a best of. . . soon. Waiting on more absolutely definite >info. > >A new merch list will be put together as soon as Robyn and I have the time >to sit and sort through it. > >The boat trip has NOT sold out as of today, so get those requests in NOW! >(see below). A first batch of tickets (as they are literally hot off the >presses) will go out this coming week. If you haven't sent in your request >yet, PLEASE include a daytime telephone number. Thanks. > >There are NO MORE CONES, at this time, at all. > >Below is the live update with some new UK gigs that are being booked and >confirmed at this time. . . ciao for now. A > > >~LIVE UPDATE~ >27th July, WOMAD, Rivermead Leisure Centre, Richfield Ave, Reading > (Day tickets available) > special guests: Tim Keegan and Ntshuks Bonga > >* 30 July, 12 Bar Club, London > special guests: Morris Windsor and Tim Keegan > support Dear Janes > >*Those who have been there before will know that you REALLY should buy your >ticket in advance (at least the day before the gig). If you can't do that, >doors are at 8pm and people start arriving around 7-7:30 and if there are >any tickets left, it's first come first serve. > >16th Aug, Robyn At Sea, limited seater boat trip (you should have received >an e-mail on this, if not e-mail me with the subject: RAS) > >23rd Aug, The Junction, Cambridge (part of the Millennium Festival !?! ) > enquiries: 01223.578.000; box office: 01223.511.511 > >30th August, Bumbershoot Seattle Arts Festival, Seattle, WA, USA > see previous updates for info > >There is talk of Robyn playing in Italy in the autumn/fall, awaiting info. . . > >NEW! ! ! >The following gigs are being booked and there may be some more: >23rd Nov, London, Jazz Cafe >25-30 Nov Spain (waiting on info) >1 Dec, Brighton, Concorde >2 Dec, Southampton, Joiners >3 Dec, Cambridge, Boatrace >4 Dec, Leicester, Princess Charlotte ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: griffith Subject: re: Uncorrected Personality Traits russ wrote: >in case nobody's mentioned it yet, there's a picture (albeit a tiny one) of >the new album on the Rhino site...also, the "fanecdotes" are displayed in >the "liner notes" setion. Many familiar names...Griffith Davies, Gene >Hopstetter, Susan Dodge, Kay Lord Wisniewsk...you're all famous now. check >it out. >http://www.rhino.com/media/ I guess this is a good incentive to purchase a collection of previously released material... griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: twizzling Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:43:44 PDT i don't know what robyn's favorite movies are, but here are his favorite books... gormenghast, mervyn peake the drought, j g ballard the skin chairs, barabar comyns the calculus affair, herge the big sleep, raymond chandler and records... REVOLVER, the beatles HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED, bob dylan MR TAMBOURINE MAN, byrds CLEAR SPOT, captian beefheart PLEASE TO SEE THE KING, steeley span BARRET, syd barret "HEROES", david bowie AVALON, roxy music THE VELVET UNDERGROUND SHEARWATER, martin carthy these from "the golden prince rides again," although it looks like they were originally printed in a fegmaniax newsletter. jeremy enigk is playing at bumbershoot, i don't know which day. robyn, beck, and sleater-kinney are ALL playing on saturday. wow! also, i read somewhere recently that sunny day real estate may be getting back together. was never too worried about michael stipe's sense of humor, but when i read last year that he though clinton was doing a good job, i was shocked. could this really be the same person who wrote the first three songs on DOCUMENT? on a related, happier note: i don't remember (i never remember) who it was that recommended THE LONESOME DEATH OF BUCK MCCOY. but, i just got it, and it's terrific. really terrific. breaking up: going from memory here. but the liner notes to some album said something like the following: andy left because he thought the soft boys were too normal or something like that. and after he left (i *think* this is where robyn talks about how andy thought the soft boys' music should be like "burying a television alive" or "nailing a bed to the ceiling") they decided to just straight-forward the band. and, "this spelled the end of the soft boys, really." because it was just a group of guys playing his songs, for better or worse, after that. also, he said somewhere about how later on it was like the arms race between he and kimberley, each, like, getting a more powerful amp than the other every week or something. and he didn't really like that. i never really believed that Trash was about kimberley, but that's probably just because i didn't want to believe it, hoping they someday would get back together. don't the liner notes to BLACK SNAKE say something like that's the fourth soft boys album, really? and then he couldn't get everyone in the same place at the same time when it came time to make DECAY. as for the egyptians, he said on the radio earlier this year that a group of guys hanging out together all the whole time is kind of unreasonable after age 30, and after 40, it's just sad. but he said that reunion tours were ok. another soft boys album? that would be great. but i'm almost to the point where i'm EXPECTING to see andy and morris at bumbershoot. is sundance the festival that's really hard to get into? if not, how 'bout we all head down to utah and take in the film? that's at least somewhat centrally located. john burgan's fave flicks: 1. Sunless, 2. Mirror, 3. The Conformist, 4. Brazil, 5. Come and See, 6. Vertigo, 7. Don't Look Now, 8. The Shining, 9. Alphaville, 10. Sinal Tap blm6969@aol.com's fave flicks: Clerks, Repo Man, MST 3K, Nightmare Before Christmas, Nothing But Trouble, Dark Star, Blood Simple, Life of Brian, Meaning of Life, Heathers [note: he or she actually said, "almost anything by the Coen Brothers," and i drew Blood Simple out of a hat.] matthew cleveland's fave flicks: 1. Racing With the Moon, 2. Trading Places, 3. Fast Times at Ridgemont High, 4. Top Secret, 5. The Muppet Movie, 6. Star Wars, 7. Little Big Man, 8. Jurassic Park, 9. Ruthless People, 10. Better Off Dead ...only 666 more to go. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Robyn's Favorite Flicks. >From August 1997's RAYGUN No. 48 (Special Film & Music Issue): LIVING AT THE MOVIES Tom Lanham and Aidin Vaziri quiz the stars about the movies that matter most. Liam Neeson, screaming out of an exploding science lab in Sam Raimi's Darkman. Jean Marais, in his ruffled, princely best, staring at his smoking hands in Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. The surreal, stiff-armed stride of rodent-fanged vampire Max Schreck in F.W. Murnau's 1922 classic, Nosferatu. Even Capras tearjerking It's A Wonderful Life, with Jimmy Stewart stumbling down Main Street with greetings for every sorely-missed building. Everybody's got a favorite scene, favorite character, favorite emotive slice of cinema verite -- a film that's affected them like no other. Unless, of course, they've lived their entire culture-less life in a filthy, guano-encrusted cave on some remote South American mountaintop. Musicians are particularly prone to cinema's spell. Indeed, many of them are also actors and a great deal of their work -- so accurately spoofed in The Big Picture -- winds up on film soundtracks. Surely some of popdom's most intelligent performers would have strong opinions on this subject. how could they not, whiling away all those tedious hours on the tour bus with nothing but a bouncing video monitor? We posed four snappy, to-the-point questions, and your favorite artists came back with some rather surprising -- and culturally informative -- answers. We asked the following questions: 1) Favorite film of all time? 2) Any character or scene that's made a lifelong impression on you? 3) Has film itself ever helped you through any tough times? If not, what has film meant to you overall? 4) What actor would you cast as yourself in a film of your life story? Robyn Hitchcock 1) A favorite would have to be... Yellow Submarine, I'm afraid. Another one would be Monty Python and the Holy Grail. These are both pop films, not serious films. But another favorite of mine is Orpheus by Jean Cocteau, and I kind of like the work of my namesake, Alfred, although I don't think he was a very lovely person. I particularly like Notorious, the one where the woman is living with the Nazi guy who's being dominated by his mother, and she's slowly being poisoned and doesn't realize what's wrong with her. 2) One of my favorite scenes from a film is the end of Magnum Force with Clint Eastwood, where he's just dispatched a load of rogue vigilante cops. At the end of it, there's a corrupt police chief who's driving away from Clint in a car -- he's called Briggs -- and Clint says, "A man's gotta know his limitations, Briggs," as the car explodes. And the timing of that is simply perfect. 3) My whole life is pretty difficult, really -- it's always been almost more than I can handle just to live. I was not well-equipped for this world -- I hope I do better in the next one. But I think The Holy Grail -- we had that on the tour bus on the last Egyptians tour, and our record wasn't being very well promoted and it was the end of an era, really. Nirvana and stuff had happened, and we just weren't happening anymore. Things were pretty grim, and I think we watched that movie about six times -- it really kept everybody's spirits up. Except the last time we saw it, nobody laughed, because everybody knew it in advance. I think what's most interesting is that stuff -- like the knifes who say "Nic" -- has become common parlance, and then it all gets sewed out in post-modern style by Quentin Tarantino. Doubtless there'll be somebody sawing somebody's head off in a movie who's saying, "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'Nic' at will to old women!" And then his head will come off in a pool of blood. I'm glad that Python became a cliche because it's so nice that all that stuff's out there, floating around. 4) Do they have to be alive? I think I'd like to have been played by Cary Grant, because he would've really made me out to be something fantastic. Plus, he had a healthy sexual appetite well into his 70s, so I've heard. But actually, it'd probably be better if I was played by someone like Eric Idle. That'd be more true-to-life! Or maybe Isabella Rosselini! Maybe a woman would bring more substance to the role; a nice dark-haired woman. --end of articlequoting-- So that's that, kids. I'd also like to note that the interview with Sleater-Kinney does not include Janet Weiss, the drummer, who works here in my office. But that's probably because she's not a big conversationalist. I can't decide if I really like RAYGUN or if I hate it. Funny how that works sometimes. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:52:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: SF college-rock of the '80s Just because there seems to be some interest in this area (Gene, Woj, Terrence...), I'd like to post an interesting coincidence I just discovered. Recently, I learned that one of my favorite "new" bands of this year, Quasi, is actually led by Sam Coomes, former leader of the Donner Party! I thought they were a brand-new band up until now (although the drummer is apparently also in Sleater-Kinney, a group whose music I don't know very well). Weird! For those who haven't heard Quasi, do so! The duo's new Up release R&B Transmogrification is one of my favorite releases this year. I may have hyped this band before -- if so, sorry. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:53:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Robyn's Favorite Flicks. Capuchin wrote: >I'd also like to note that the interview with Sleater-Kinney does not >include Janet Weiss, the drummer, who works here in my office. But that's >probably because she's not a big conversationalist. That's the one who's also in Quasi! :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:03:57 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: recommedations, apologies, but eff-all Robyn (sorry!) >I'm out of touch now, but the most active scene when I was last over in >the UK was in the asian (read "Indian and Pakistani") community. Bhangra >up and died a while back, but there are new threads emerging. I heard >this great Indian classical/techno crossover thing. Brilliant! But I >have no idea who it was. Could have been Kula Shaker - somre good stuff coming out from them recently. A recommendation to Terrence M and any other Rain Parade fans - try Moose. They're an English group (I think), and their album "Honeybee" sounds quite a lot like Crashing Dream-era Rain Parade. >>Shooglenifty - a mix of Irish trad ceilidh with trance dance beats. One >>album only (AFAIK) - Venus in Tweeds. > >Aarggh! Scottish! Scottish! Not Irish! >The name translates from Scots as roughly 'nice mover'. >Whoever heard of Irish tweed? You'll be telling me they make >whisky next. erk. sorry. And yes, they make whiskey, AND they can spell it ;) James (who's secretly pleased his ancestors changed the spelling of his surname from O'Duibhgeannainn) PS - oh, right. That Hitchcock chappie. Funny blinky sort of cove, but a good bean. He used to drive our tractor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:26:53 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Live Death I've found a copy of 'Live Death' for $35. Is it worth that much? Are the tracks (it says there are only seven!) really that good? JL -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:29:37 -0500 From: Bret Subject: Re: Live Death At 12:26 AM 7/30/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I've found a copy of 'Live Death' for $35. Is it worth that much? Are >the tracks (it says there are only seven!) really that good? in my eyes they are, just the version on Clean Steve on there, and some of the great intros (not like if I strunk myself up with this piece of flux, which would not only slowly and ineffeciently end my life, but probably fuck up the electrical system as well) are priceless at least to me, but 35 bux? only if ya have it man............have someone tape it for ya so you can see if you realy want to shell out the cash. --Bret ------------------------------ From: "Glynyrd Skynyrd" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:31:10 -0800 Subject: Robyn Horror Picture Show A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Capuchin wrote: > I'd also like to note that the interview with Sleater-Kinney does > not include Janet Weiss, the drummer... ...who also happens to be Brad Majors' fianceé... Sorry...I just couldn't resist... Touch-A, Touch-A, Touch-A, Touch Me, --g "I'd trade it all for just a little more." --Montgomery Burns *************** Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ *************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:32:39 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Shooglenifty (70% proof content) > >Aarggh! Scottish! Scottish! Not Irish! > >The name translates from Scots as roughly 'nice mover'. > >Whoever heard of Irish tweed? You'll be telling me they make > >whisky next. > > erk. sorry. And yes, they make whiskey, AND they can spell it. For clarification: If it's Scotch whisky there is no 'E', and the word Scotch is spelt in the non-PC way, but if it's Irish whiskey, there is an 'E'. I don't know about bourbon, but I do know that Jack Daniels isn't a bourbon because it's from the wrong state. - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:57:21 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Robyn's Favorite Flicks. On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Capuchin wrote: > Robyn Hitchcock: > But I think The Holy Grail > -- we had that on the tour bus on the last Egyptians tour, Oh, he's talking about the video. I thought he meant they were actually in possession of the Sangraal, having presumably attained the requisite level of purity after fighting off towers full of eager young ladies... > I think what's most > interesting is that stuff -- like the knifes who say "Nic" -- has become > common parlance, and then it all gets sewed out in post-modern style by > Quentin Tarantino. 'Knights', surely. Did they ever find that shrubbery, or did the police turn up first? - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:23:53 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: New Fegmap Additions! Hey all, Two new additions to the fegmaps. Ferris up in Woodbury, CT, and Sebastian over there in Koln, Germany. (Hey Susan, finally another dot on Europe!) We're up to a fegcount of 70! Also, look for a new cone from Mary up in Ann Arbor to be spotlit in the Virtual Cone Museum in the next few days! Mike too-busy-to-chat Runion GoF: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/fegmaps VCM: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm ------------------------------ Subject: Re: WOMAD set list (100% guaranteed RH content) From: dede_davis@juno.com (Diana L Davis) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:47:27 EDT On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:06:25 -0400 (EDT) M R Godwin writes: >...... >....... >Arnold Layne ("This is for the late Syd Barrett") Did Syd Barrett die? (Assume I've been off-planet recently.) Dede "Out of boredom/I decided/I'd get with it....."-MCC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:01:42 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Need Loud Family help (0% RH) A plea to any Loud Family fans: Anyone in the mood to write (off-list please) a long drawn-out dissertation on the merits and joys of listening to the Loud Family (history, things to listen for, points of reference, etc)? I purchased "Interbabe Concern" this weekend and, fully realizing I've only had the chance to listen to it 2 or 3 times so far, I'm having some trouble getting into it. Thanks. Mike Runion - who also bought Yo La Tengo's "I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One" and completely love it. This is my first YLT album. Any recommendations on what my 2nd should be? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: r.k. barrett On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Diana L Davis wrote: > Did Syd Barrett die? (Assume I've been off-planet recently.) I thikn RH refers to Barrett and Dylan as dead b/c they don't make music anymore. (In his opinion?) Seems music is a biological function to him. ------------------------------ From: TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 12:36:53 EDT Subject: Breaking up > Does anyone know if there has ever been reasons given for the > breakups of The Soft Boys and The Egyptians? > I just wonder if, at the times of the breakups, there were any bad > feelings amongst the fellows, I have to believe that finances play some role for breaking up the Egyptians. Robyn probably draws similarly-sized crowds whether solo or with a band, and he can keep more of the money if he's solo - an important consideration for a forty-something musician with a cult-sized following. Dan ------------------------------ From: TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 12:48:22 EDT Subject: Re: music with a sense of humour I think a sense of humor is a distinct disadvantage in the American college/alternative/modern rock genre. If record sales are any indication, you have to sound like you're about to cut your wrists for any 16-year old to pay any attention to you. I think having a sense of humor have doomed bands like Redd Kross to also-ran status, commercially. Why is a teenager going to worship you if you don't even take yourself seriously? But U2, Pearl Jam, Bush, Hole, Counting Crows - why, it's almost like religion. Dan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Breaking up Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 10:07:09 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" On 7/30/97 9:36 AM, TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com stated emphatically: > > Does anyone know if there has ever been reasons given for the > > breakups of The Soft Boys and The Egyptians? > > I just wonder if, at the times of the breakups, there were any bad > > feelings amongst the fellows, > > > I have to believe that finances play some role for breaking up the > Egyptians. Robyn probably draws similarly-sized crowds whether solo > or with a band, and he can keep more of the money if he's solo - an > important consideration for a forty-something musician with a > cult-sized following. If I remember correctly, after the Respect tour, Robyn said that it just wasn't right for a bunch of 40-year-old guys to be running around in a rock band. Whether he was just putting a spin on the fact that he's just a greedy s.o.b. I can't say... -tc "still holding out for that ceo position" ------------------------------ Subject: John Lennon (.5% RH) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 10:10:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark just wondering: If John Lennon were still alive, would he be making important music? Seems to me that the best Lennon song of the past 25 years is "Somewhere Apart", and he didn't even write it! now please break up into groups of four and discuss... -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Knowledge Is Good" - Emile Faber ------------------------------ From: TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 13:21:59 EDT Subject: Re[2]: Breaking up Tom Clark said: *On 7/30/97 9:36 AM, TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com stated emphatically: > > I have to believe that finances play some role for breaking up the > Egyptians. Robyn probably draws similarly-sized crowds whether solo > or with a band, and he can keep more of the money if he's solo - an > important consideration for a forty-something musician with a > cult-sized following. If I remember correctly, after the Respect tour, Robyn said that it just wasn't right for a bunch of 40-year-old guys to be running around in a rock band. Whether he was just putting a spin on the fact that he's just *a greedy s.o.b. I can't say... Dan replies: Sorry if that seemed "emphatic" - I'm certainly willing to acknowledge that there are multiple (and not necessarily exclusive) explanations for his going solo - but Robyn doesn't sell a million records a year, either. As much as we love Robyn, there may not be enough of us to provide for his retirement. I don't think that makes him greedy. If he were greedy, he'd put on a wig and become one of the Spice Girls. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:27:27 +0300 From: Noah Shalev Subject: Robyn - Momus ello fegs. doe's anybody know: is(or was) there any connection between Robyn and Momus? Noe (who has never been photographed withe Charlie Watts) ------------------------------ From: "Glynyrd Skynyrd" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:08:37 -0800 Subject: Greedy S.O.B. CC: TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat.com, Hell On Wheels A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, TROYD1_at_REF@westatpo.westat wrote: > If he were greedy, he'd put on a wig and become one of the > Spice Girls. Well, Robyn did say that he sometimes dreams of being a pretty girl, so I wouldn't put it past him. ;) (N.B. -- You are to assume that this wink is 5 times normal size.) Here's to C.E.O. Clark, --g "I'd trade it all for just a little more." --Montgomery Burns *************** Glen Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ *************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:29:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Need Loud Family help (0% RH) >Anyone in the mood to write (off-list please) a long drawn-out >dissertation on the merits and joys of listening to the Loud Family >(history, things to listen for, points of reference, etc)? I purchased >"Interbabe Concern" this weekend and, fully realizing I've only had the >chance to listen to it 2 or 3 times so far, I'm having some trouble >getting into it. I'm with you, Mike. I have all the Loud Family releases (mostly due to heavy completist tendencies), but can't say anything particularly positive about them. You might check their website for testimonies. It's something starting with "www.interbridge.com"...try a websearch. >Mike Runion - who also bought Yo La Tengo's "I Can Hear The Heart Beating >As One" and completely love it. This is my first YLT album. Any >recommendations on what my 2nd should be? That's certainly one of my favorite records this year. Try the previous album Electr-O-Pura next. YLT's albums basically get better and better, so just work your way backwards. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:29:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: John Lennon >Just wondering: If John Lennon were still alive, would he be making >important music? I wonder too. I have a feeling that his music might be rather toothless if he was still around, just like McCartney's. Lennon's voice had already lost a lot of its grit and edge -- he was coasting on a thin falsetto too much on those last releases. And I suppose it's a work-in-progress, but I wasn't too impressed by anything on Milk & Honey except for "Nobody Told Me" and "Grow Old With Me." Sometimes, it's good creative timing when an artist dies (not that this is necessarily the case with Lennon). I mean, the Doors seemed fairly out of gas to me on L.A. Woman. If they had continued, they probably wouldn't turned into some boring boogie-blues band and destroyed their mystique/image. Good career move, Jim. ;) >Seems to me that the best Lennon song of the past 25 >years is "Somewhere Apart", and he didn't even write it! I think that's rather overstating the case. There are several doubly fantastic songs on Double Fantasy. Plus, the two tracks mentioned above. And while "Somewhere Apart" is a great thumpin' tune, I don't think it's anywhere near on the same songwriting level as (for instance) "Woman," "Beautiful Boy," "Starting Over," "Watching the Wheels" and "I'm Losing You." Robyn would probably agree. Eb np: Tall Dwarfs/Fork Songs (at last, I have a copy!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:16:23 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: music with a sense of humour >>I started to wonder whether there was an inverse correlation between humor >>and super-mega-stardom. I mean, how many BIG SUPERSTARS can you think of >>who actually have any sense of humor, wit, or irony? Most really popular >>artists I can think of are the most pompous, humorless asses on the face of >>the earth - think Bono, or Sting, or, yes, Michael Stipe. ... My >>question is: do artists lose their sense of humor when they get popular, or >>do they get popular when they lose their sense of humor? > >You still get a sense of humour showing through occasionally - >you mentioned Elvis Costello, who has a (bitter and twisted) sense of >humour, and there are a few others. REM seems to have lost the humour of >"End of the World" or their horrible version of "King of the Road". I think >it's largely the straitjacketing of commercialism rearing its ugly head >again. first off, REM still shows its sense of humor. since _document_ each album gives us a taste: pop song 89, get up, stand, radio song, shiney happy people, near wild heaven, man on the moon, drive, the sidewinder sleeps tonight, crush with eyeliner, star 69, tongue, binky the doormat, wake up bomb, departure. second, U2 have got to be the funnyist superstars on the planet. they definitely still have very serious themes to the individual songs, but they don't take themselves very seriously. lastly, i read an interview in _spin_ with ani difranco where they talked about the difference between rock and folk being a sense of humor. it's a pretty generalized theory, but it speaks to the major difference being able to laugh at life and yourself. many rock stars take themselves way too seriously. it's the image of rock and roll. the idea doesn't hold true though. there are exceptions everywhere. i think of the who, who have many grandiose themes and concept albums, but they also have several silly songs like 'squeezebox' and 'better you bet'. hmmm... 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