From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #181 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 181 Tuesday July 29 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) Re: music with a sense of humour other rare things Mineral Man Re: Raygun John Lithgow (This IS the balding method actor list, isn't it?) WOMAD set list (100% guaranteed RH content) Old cover question Re: Everybody had matching towels (0% Robyn) Uncorrected Personality Traits RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) Re: Oops ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:51:21 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:35 the acerbic Eee-flat rose, with comforting predictability, to the bait: > Blah. Personally, about 75% of the new music I like is American. ...err, well. Jolly good. Actually I'd have to say the same thing. But that's because I live in America where it's hard to hear much else. (Although having said that, my last two new music "finds" were Italian and Japanese respectively!)* > I think > most of the new popular British bands are complete fluff. I don't know any popular bands -- only the unpopular ones. Sorry. Seriously though - I'm not so much thinking about record industry output, which is notoriously unaffected by factors such as innovation and talent. What I can tell you is that as a musician in the US it's depressingly hard to find fellow musicians who do not either want to be Van Halen, or to do endless covers ...or both. Just check your local rag for "musicians wanted". Ugh. At least in the UK everyone wants to be original (of course, few actually are, and most are crap - but it's the thought that counts). I'm out of touch now, but the most active scene when I was last over in the UK was in the asian (read "Indian and Pakistani") community. Bhangra up and died a while back, but there are new threads emerging. I heard this great Indian classical/techno crossover thing. Brilliant! But I have no idea who it was. > Here today, gone tomorrow music -- soon to be just as > obsolete as Revolver.. I dunno. I rather liked that album. ;) So, no, I'm not biased in favour of the UK in any way. Why, some of my favourite artists are Americans... Changing the subject, G'uber asked: > Does anyone know if there has ever been reasons given for the > breakups of The Soft Boys and The Egyptians? > I just wonder if, at the times of the breakups, there were any bad > feelings amongst the fellows, I think in both cases, the bands had a set of expectations laid on them by record companies which they could not, or did not want to, live up to. In the Soft Boys case it was the whole punk/new wave thing - for the Egyptians it was a sort of "next big alternative crossover" thing. I've never read of any "musical differences" between any of the band members. The fact that even now they play together occasionally would seem to attest to this. Personally, I think it is quite possible that they could play together again sometime, but under what name, and with what material I could not even begin to guess... Cheers, ~Nick * From Italy: "Novalia" - Italian afro-folk with an Irish beat. From Japan: "Denki Groove" - Japanese punk-metal-ambient-techno. Yow! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:31:10 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: music with a sense of humour >I started to wonder whether there was an inverse correlation between humor >and super-mega-stardom. I mean, how many BIG SUPERSTARS can you think of >who actually have any sense of humor, wit, or irony? Most really popular >artists I can think of are the most pompous, humorless asses on the face of >the earth - think Bono, or Sting, or, yes, Michael Stipe. Then I ran down >a list of my favorite artists, none of whom are particularly popular, and >all of whom have a pretty keen sense of humor, from the bitter wit of Elvis >Costello to the crazed dada of Captain Beefheart to our very own Robyn. My >question is: do artists lose their sense of humor when they get popular, or >do they get popular when they lose their sense of humor? not all of them... but I'm opretty sure that lot of them have it drummed out of them by their rcord companies one way or another. Back in the sixties a sense of humour was a distinct advantage in rock music, whether it was the Beatles' Good Night and the Byrds' We'll meet again, both of which I mentioned recently, or Simon & Garfunkel's Simple Desultory Phillippic. You still get a sense of humour showing through occasionally - you mentioned Elvis Costello, who has a (bitter and twisted) sense of humour, and there are a few others. REM seems to have lost the humour of "End of the World" or their horrible version of "King of the Road". I think it's largely the straitjacketing of commercialism rearing its ugly head again. Some people do disguise their sense of humour well, though. The prime example here would be Leonard Cohen, who everyone assumes is a gloomy old sod, but who actually has one of the world's blackest senses of humour. Robyn, mind you, wears his sense of humour on his sleeve, and will thus probably never be that popular, which is a shame. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: other rare things oh, i am also looking for a good quality copy of "a bad case of history" (soft boys) and "The End" (doors) from a recent upstate ny rh solo gig. Ony the latter was played at the gig. (aFaIK) Thanks are due Mr Godwin and Mr. Marks for verifying that "Wolfpack" is the correct spelling of this song title I am greatly hoping to attend FEGSTOCK '97 (bubbleshoot) and could use a ride to corvallis oregon afterwards-- are any of y'all oregon or califegs planning to make the pilgrimage? i can offer gas money, tapes or flesh of glass.... =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:52:19 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Mineral Man Eddie Tews was saying..... >the person who put together the MINERAL MAN tape is presumably reading >this. please don't take this personally. >i love the concept, but it seems like a lot of the songs sound too >similar. i think it should be had another go at. Hey, that would be me! Actually, I made that tape for no one's enjoyment but Terry Marks. He posted a note about the song Clean Steve and how much it had mutated within a few years, so when it came time to send him some tapes, I made a whole tape of just diff live versions of Clean Steve for him. -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:lobstie@e-z.net web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Force is the weapon of the weak." -Ammon Hennessey \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Raygun On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Refugees on 45 wrote: > i guess want i am trying > to say is that we are all at a loss on this one. OK, so what does THIS sentence mean? > (also, the magazine...it had mr. H's name on the front in smaller > print. like *that* helps.) Actually had my hands on the August issue of Raygun today and left it in someone else's office. I'll pick it up tomorrow. It had heaps of folks names all over the cover. Mostly musicians and musical groups if I recall properly. I'll find the Robynstuff and post it tomorrow. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: John Lithgow (This IS the balding method actor list, isn't it?) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Eb wrote: > My pet TV peeve is older, > accomplished actors (like Lithgow) being forced to act like idiots As opposed to the straight, important roles Lithgow plays like Emilio Lizardo, the doofy people in Raising Cain, and the patriarch of the ever stoic Henderson family. Sorry. I couldn't resist. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:12:01 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: WOMAD set list (100% guaranteed RH content) RH was booked to come on stage at 8.30 but, despite the regimental punctuality of the WOMAD organisation, didn't actually appear until after 8.35. As mentioned before, shirt was tubes of paint. _Solo_ Gene Hackman Beautiful Girl Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom My Wife and My Dead Wife _RH_&_TK Madonna of the Wasps Jewels for Sophia Elizabeth Jade _Solo_ I'm Only You (complete with John Martyn echo guitar coda) _RH_&_Ntchuks_Bonga Devil's Radio (with radio interference noises on sax) (At this stage I lost track of who was accompanying which numbers but "Trains" was definitely solo)) Lizard song about Jim Morrison I Am Not Me (blue Telecaster) I Often Dream Of Trains Wild enthusiasm from the Reading crowd at mention of 'Basingstoke and Reading' of course. RH went into a guitar bit after the last verse, looked at his wristwatch, realised it was 9.30, said "I've run out of time" and left the stage. He returned in white with black polka dots, accompanied by TK on funky banana and NB on sax, for encores of: I Dream of Antwoman Arnold Layne ("This is for the late Syd Barrett") It was the first time I had heard many of these songs played live, and I particularly liked 'Elizabeth Jade'. I'd say that RH was well-received by a mainly non-feg audience, but it was spoiled for me by some silly girls who decided to sit next to me right at the front and talked all the way through... Next report from your correspondent at sea, with luck. Hope I don't get shanghai'd by a high-hat beaver mustache man and his pirate friend. No telling where I might wake up... - Mike Godwin PS During "I'm Only You" it struck me that he doesn't seem to write songs about policemen any more. Am I right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:45:58 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Old cover question Need info on a song from one of Robyn's gig's. The show was the Tramps, NY gig from October 4, 1990, and the song in question was played after "Wild Mountain Thyme" and before "Surgery". Presumably a cover. Thanks. Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:05:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Everybody had matching towels (0% Robyn) James Dignan wrote: >Shooglenifty - a mix of Irish trad ceilidh with trance dance beats. One >album only (AFAIK) - Venus in Tweeds. Aarggh! Scottish! Scottish! Not Irish! The name translates from Scots as roughly 'nice mover'. Whoever heard of Irish tweed? You'll be telling me they make whisky next. They have played the Renfrew Ferry, as has Robyn. (tenuous content there...) -- Stewart C. Russell, Glasgow, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "Hang on... This is the real thing... The truth, my friend, and nothing but the truth" - Mervyn Peake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 13:09:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Uncorrected Personality Traits in case nobody's mentioned it yet, there's a picture (albeit a tiny one) of the new album on the Rhino site...also, the "fanecdotes" are displayed in the "liner notes" setion. Many familiar names...Griffith Davies, Gene Hopstetter, Susan Dodge, Kay Lord Wisniewsk...you're all famous now. check it out. http://www.rhino.com/media/ -rr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 05:57:00 UT From: "jeffery vaska" Subject: RE: Jing-GO! (Some RH at the end... honest!) [] so says nick (what the hell are these pesky little marks?? - do you see em' or is it just me?). I'm out of touch now, but the most active scene when I was last over in the UK was in the asian (read "Indian and Pakistani") community. Bhangra up and died a while back, but there are new threads emerging. I heard this great Indian classical/techno crossover thing. Brilliant! But I have no idea who it was. [] perhaps it was talvin singh and/or cornershop doing their thing. check em out - a mixture of punk and traditional punjabiesque stuff (jullander shere!!... d [] a [] m [] n [] i [] t [] [] ! [] ! [] [] [] w [] h [] a [] t [] [] t [] h [] e [] [] h [] e [] l [] l [] ? [] ? * From Italy: "Novalia" - Italian afro-folk with an Irish beat. From Japan: "Denki Groove" - Japanese punk-metal-ambient-techno. Yow! [] [] excellent, thanks for the tip... as i was saying before my email thing went psycho - cornershop can be found on wiiija/luakabop/warner bros. records. ta- [] r [] a [] ! [] . [] . [] . [] j [] v [] god this is annoying...jesus christ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oops On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Eb wrote: > Sorry, my fault. I really don't like the way the list operates -- ie, when > you hit "REPLY" to a post, it goes to the writer instead of the list. You > get very accustomed with having to change the return address to Fegmaniax, > and mistakes like this happen as a result. I've never been on another list > which had this modus operandi. I love the way this list operates. I hate that most people don't take out the original poster's address when replying to the group (so that the originator gets two copies, one from the list and one from the poster), but I love being able to reply to either without bothering to look for an email address and retyping it. I hit reply to all and cut out the recipient (either list or poster) that's inappropriate to my post. It's a good thing. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .