From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #175 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 175 Thursday July 24 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- "I will jump rope one hundred times...and then i will EAT YOU!" Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 Re: Various people wrote... Re: Love Poisoning Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 Cover Your Tracks re: the first hidden track re: cover your tracks (.08 % RH) Re: Various people wrote... re: cover your tracks (.08 % RH) Re: Cover Your Tracks "Gimme boy-rock!" she proclaimed Re: Cover Your Tracks Hitchcock's hidden track shirt - all robyn and nothing but ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:03:48 -0700 Subject: "I will jump rope one hundred times...and then i will EAT YOU!" last night i dreamed that robyn put on a concert for children --kind of like that guy, what's his name? noah something?-- in a fred meyer. there were about 20 kids and 5 adults watching. he played three songs, i think. one was something off ELIXIR, but i don't remember just what. the other two i didn't recognize at all. then, when he was finished, he was walking away, and he was wearing one of those drive-thru walkie-talkie things (once upon a time i worked at the dairy queen, and it seemed like i was ALWAYS stuck in the fucking drive-thru, so that's probably where this comes from) and i was...well, you know how when you're in a store and somebody's walking down the next --what's the cross street of an aisle? is it an aisle also? but anyway, you know what i'm talking about, right? as you walk past each aisle you can kind of spy on the person. i was doing that. and every few seconds he would push the little button on the belt pack, and say something robynesque into the microphone, which utterance was broadcast over the store's p.a. then when he made his exeunt into the employee break room or whatever it was, he said, "i'm still with you in spirit" and everybody in the store laughed. the dream didn't end there. as a matter of fact, my car ended up being totalled by a bus later on. but there was no more of robyn, so i won't bore you with the rest of it. eb, you REALLY need to give AENIMA another listen. as long as the egyptians are broke up, i can't see that there's a better band in the world than tool. by the way, is AENIMA the maximum length for a cd? i think it just might be. album evocations: i went on a 10-week cross-country road trip in the summer of '93. 1976-1981 came out when i was in boston (i read the liner notes while waiting for the gates at fenway park to open, if you must know.) but a few weeks later i was in yellowstone park, and that's basically all i was listening to there. now, whenever i listen to the record, i feel like i'm in yellowstone park. "she said she was ambitious. so she accepts the process." aidan's fave flicks: 1. The Loved One, 2. Annie Hall, 3. Leningrad Cowboys Go America, 4. La Vie de Boheme, 5. Down By Law, 6. Dr. Strangelove, 7. The Idiot, 8. Sleeper, 9. Rumble in the Bronx, 10. Batman, the Movie (original, w/Adam West) gary parker's fave flicks: Mystery Train, It's a Wonderful Life, Brzil, Holy Grail, Ciema Pardiso, Rear Window, Koyaaniquatsi, Wings of Desire, Bleu (no, Red) mmm, (all of them, really), A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy [note: gary claims to be cone #12. this isn't in the vcm, is it?] ferris' fave flicks: 10. Lawrence of Arabia, 9. Star Wars, 8. Trainspotting, 7. The Maltese Falcon, 6. The Outlaw Josey Wales, 5. Melody, 4. Mad Max, 3. Braveheart, 2. In the Name of the Father, 1. Pulp Fiction (slag it off as you will, it's relative comedic genius). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:52:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, fiona zinovieff wrote: > hillage was part of Gong in the 1970's) there were the chemical brothers > being full on, van morrison maybe qualifying as a blast from the past but > very much alive and making music, Edward II who were truly mad, ani > difranco,david byrne I could go on and on for three days of non stop > hedonistic blathering so I'll stop here............. I wasn't there but I did see a bit of it on tha TeeVee. Surprises me that you didn't mention R. Davies and his lovely rendition of "Waterloo Sunset". Even more suprised am I that you did not mention Beck. When I saw him standing up there in front of what appearedto be a billion trillion people, all by himself, looking about 15 years old, playing a fierce harp and snarling out "One Foot in the Grave", I swear to God I kept thinking of Dylan circa '65. Amazing stuff. > people in the 1980's saying how great it must have been to have been a > teenager in the 70's Uh-huh, yeah. And I hear kids telling me now that I was lucky to have had my adolescence in the 80s even! Sheesh! Whatever. I never had much sympathy for the Miniver Cheevys of this world, I must confess. > I'm off to WOMAD this weekend to be more impressed by the diversity - > Megadog dance tent, Ravi Shanka and of course Robyn on Sunday. Any of you > going too? Robyn's part of WOMAD? Eh, what's this? Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:03:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Various people wrote... On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Eb wrote: > Personally, I think the Alanis album is better than the High Llamas (at > least, based on hearing Hawaii). Not that I'm a real big fan of > hers, though. Well, the Alanis album is better than chinese water torture as well, but you won't catch me running out to go experience that either. I remember reading somewhere that her lyrics were reminiscent of the average 20 year old's diary, which about sums up how I feel about her. Pretty dern....average. What the fuss is and the reason behind the album selling so many copies I am unable to explain. > >i seem to remember reading that when guns 'n' roses' _the spaghetti > >incident_ (an album of covers) came out there was a hidden track written > >by charles manson and that he was getting some serious royalties for it. > > I remember the Manson controversy -- but are you sure the track was "hidden?" No, I don't think it was. I mean, it was I think in the most literal sense (I wouldn't know, I don't own the dern thing). However, I think it was one of those things that was supposedly hidden only there was so much press about it and so much pr hype that it's not like anyone -didn't- know about it. What was it, by the way? The same one the Beach Boys also recorded? Incidentally, I have actually had the dubious privilege of hearing the Manson family's record. Suffice it to say that I doubt he had too many music connoisseurs among his followers. In any event his songwriting was definitely not the thing that won them over. > >the 70s to me is pretty much Roxy Music and Bowie > > Jeez Susan, that's pretty narrow.... :P You know full well what I was getting at, you evil Eb. > >Terry, I hate to say this but your Virgo is showing. Please tuck it in. > > Please explain this comment. :) And if you're so astrologically attuned, > guess what sign I am? Eh, go read up on it yourself, you lazy Libra you . > Eb, who thinks that Elastica's "Connection" should also be on the short > list of this decade's great singles WHAT? Oh well, I think "Wonderwall" was one of the better singles of the past couple years, so what the hell do I know? Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:27:41 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: Love Poisoning On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Basically, it means (to quote Neil Peart) plus ca change, plus c'est meme > chose. Quoting Neil Peart is the one thing that shouldn't be allowed on this list (or any for that matter). Disregard the Free Speech issue; it's just wrong. JL -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:41:43 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, fiona zinovieff wrote: > I'm off to WOMAD this weekend to be more impressed by the diversity - > Megadog dance tent, Ravi Shanka and of course Robyn on Sunday. Any of you > going too? I'll be there on Sunday, in my 'Man with the Lightbulb Head' T-shirt for easy identification! Anyone else coming along? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ From: "Burlesque Ives" Russ Reynolds Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:04:33 -0800 Subject: Cover Your Tracks On 22 Jul 97 at 10:01, Russ Reynolds wrote: > HM was originally part of the "Mustard/Pam/Bathroom Window" > medley, right between "Pam" & "Window". They decided it didn't > really work with the other tunes, so George Martin snipped out the > song, but he put it at the end of the tape (after the album), just > in case. If I remember the story correctly, the engineer left it > on, thinking it was supposed to be part of the album. So that's why > there's such a long space before HM starts. And the reason starts > with such a big chord is because it's actually the last note of > "Polythene Pam". And the reason there's no final note is because > the final note is still in the medley, burried beneath the first > note of "Bathroom Window" Almost, Russ. The first big chord in HM is actually the last note of "Mean Mr. Mustard" and the hidden final note is actually within "Polythene Pam". This is according to Mark Levinson (the world's foremost Beatles authority) as well as several other accounts of the _Abbey Road_ recording sessions I have read. Does anyone remember the other hidden track on a Beatles album? I think it was between "Cry Baby Cry" and "Revolution 9" on _The Beatles_, aka _The White Album_. In it, Paul sang: "Can you take me back where I came from, Can you take me back?" There was also the laughing in the close-out grooves of the original vinyl pressings of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band". Supposedly, it would play ad infinitum (or ad nauseum) until you lifted the needle. These were the days before automatic turntables. Robyn had a hidden track with "Ghost Ship" on GoF. There's also that child whose voice runs through Y&O. King Crimson put a hidden track at the end of _Islands_. It is the sound of an orchestra preparing to play a piece while the conductor gives instructions. He asked that the first time around, they play it without the oboe. Then he begins the count: "1, 2, 3,...2, 2, 3,..." and then silence. _The Cheerful Insanity Of Giles, Giles and Fripp_ contains "The Saga Of Roddy Toady" which is told throughout the course of the album. I can't remember whether it is given a track listing, however, so it may not count as a hidden track. I'm still trying to find the hidden tracks and backwards-masking on "Monday's Lunch" by Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark. They've gotta be there somewhere!!! Enuff 4 Now, --g "When she opened her mouth, she just blew me away." --Country Music Star Vince Gill on what first impressed him about his current girlfriend, Bekka Bramlett. (N.B. He was referring to her singing ability.) ************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net ************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 10:12:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: re: the first hidden track ****meaty, unreleated RH content in the final paragraph!**** but first... That Dignan guy from down under said: >Hmmm. I have heard a version with the final note - it was on a BBC radio >special on the Beatles several years back. Also, I've heard another story >about that song, but it's probable that thousands of legends have sprung up >around the Beatles anyway. What I heard was that, realising it was probably >going to be the Beatles last studio album together, Paul decided that the >final medley should have some sort of final comment. In British cinemas >(certainly in the 60s, but I doubt now), after the credits roll on a movie, >but before the lights come up, the national anthem is played. Paul grabbed >that idea, and put his own answer to God Save the Queen on the end of the >album, after allowing a few seconds "for the credits to roll". Ya know, after I posted that "chopped from the medley" story yesterday (which came from a book called "Songs of the Beatles"--or something close to that--and featured the fabs themselves & George M. explaining just about every song) I went and pieced the medley together that way on the ol' digital 8-track, and you know what? it sounds really horrible that way. Doesn't really sound like it was ever meant to transition between those two songs. It could be that the transition that ended up on the record between "P.Pam" and "Bathroom Window" was revised after "Her Majesty" was dropped from the medley. Or it could be that the story was BS (either they genuinly didn't remember things or they did a lot of BS-ing when they talked about those days, because quite often there are three or four conflicting accounts of a given story). I would tend to belive it if it were coming from George M., but it may have been Paul's account. As for the version with the final note, I have a copy of this on a bootleg. For some reason I have always assumed that last note was spliced on from another take, or even another guitar. I'm not sure why. Maybe I read it somewhere, or maybe it just didn't sound right to me (I haven't listened to it in years). But I find it curious that the "final note version" didn't end up on the Anthology. Of course, it's also interesting that the "original medley" didn't end up on the anthology...I would think that would have been rather easy to recunstruct and the story would have made a nice addition to the booklet. ****Pitching change...he's summoning the RH CONTENT from the bullpen!**** Every once in a while you've gotta sit down and read the booklet that comes with the Soft Boys 1976-1981 compilation. It's truly inspiring, and serves as a reminder of why most of us are Hitchcock fans. Lots of questions answered, too (sometimes it seems there's just as much BS coming from Robyn about the SB days as the ex-Beatles doled out about *their* heyday, but the acounts in this booklet seem to genuinely make sense). One thing I gleaned from the booklet was that the SB's version of Heartbreak Hotel came "by way of John Cale"...I had always thought this was a Soft Boys arrangement. Were they just playing John Cale's arrangement? And if so, where can John Cale's version be found? It's a truly warped arrangement, and I've always given Hitchcock credit for that...I wanna make sure I'm giving credit where credit is due. -rr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 10:56:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: re: cover your tracks (.08 % RH) Glen made this correction: >Almost, Russ. The first big chord in HM is actually the last note of >"Mean Mr. Mustard" and the hidden final note is actually within >"Polythene Pam". This is according to Mark Levinson (the world's >foremost Beatles authority) as well as several other accounts of the >_Abbey Road_ recording sessions I have read. well, no wonder it sounded so horrible in my 8-track edit! I have now moved "Her Majesty" to the *proper* spot in the medley and it *definitely* was supposed to go there. You can even hear the final note of HM when you put it all together! For the record, the transition from "Mustard" to "Her Majesty" is a good one, but from HM to PP sounds pretty jarring, and that must be why it was eventually cut out. >"Can you take me back where I came from, >Can you take me back?" >There was also the laughing in the close-out grooves of the original >vinyl pressings of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band". >Robyn had a hidden track with "Ghost Ship" on GoF. There's also >that child whose voice runs through Y&O. >King Crimson put a hidden track at the end of _Islands_. It is the >sound of an orchestra preparing to play a piece while the conductor >gives instructions. He asked that the first time around, they play >it without the oboe. Then he begins the count: "1, 2, 3,...2, 2, >3,..." and then silence. I think your definition of a hidden track is a little looser than mine. None of these are complete songs. All lots of fun, though. -rr ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Various people wrote... Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 11:21:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" On 7/23/97 9:03 AM, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell stated emphatically: >Oh well, I think "Wonderwall" was one of the better singles of the past >couple years, so what the hell do I know? You mean the Mike Flowers version, right? ;^) -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://u2.netgate.net/~tclark http://twentiethanniversary.apple.com/ Order Yours Today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: re: cover your tracks (.08 % RH) I should have said this earlier, but wasn't fast enough (and besides I accidentally deleted Glen's message) -- anyway, just for the record, it's Mark Lewisohn, not Levinson, in case anybody goes looking for his book. Eric On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Glen made this correction: > >Almost, Russ. The first big chord in HM is actually the last note of > >"Mean Mr. Mustard" and the hidden final note is actually within > >"Polythene Pam". This is according to Mark Levinson (the world's > >foremost Beatles authority) as well as several other accounts of the > >_Abbey Road_ recording sessions I have read. > > well, no wonder it sounded so horrible in my 8-track edit! I have now moved > "Her Majesty" to the *proper* spot in the medley and it *definitely* was > supposed to go there. You can even hear the final note of HM when you put > it all together! > > For the record, the transition from "Mustard" to "Her Majesty" is a good > one, but from HM to PP sounds pretty jarring, and that must be why it was > eventually cut out. > > >"Can you take me back where I came from, > >Can you take me back?" > > >There was also the laughing in the close-out grooves of the original > >vinyl pressings of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band". > > >Robyn had a hidden track with "Ghost Ship" on GoF. There's also > >that child whose voice runs through Y&O. > > >King Crimson put a hidden track at the end of _Islands_. It is the > >sound of an orchestra preparing to play a piece while the conductor > >gives instructions. He asked that the first time around, they play > >it without the oboe. Then he begins the count: "1, 2, 3,...2, 2, > >3,..." and then silence. > > I think your definition of a hidden track is a little looser than mine. > None of these are complete songs. All lots of fun, though. > > -rr > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:38:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Cover Your Tracks I think my favorite VINYL hidden track was off a 1988 record by a San Francisco group called the Cat Heads. The record was called Submarine, was on the Restless label and sold so weakly (I don't know why -- it's a nice album) that the label never bothered to issue it on CD. (Of course, that was during the CD/vinyl transition era.) The group's drummer Melanie Clarin has turned up in lots of other SF bands, like Harm Farm, the Donner Party and maybe even the Monks of Doom. Seems like I'm forgetting another important one...SF Seals, maybe? Anyway, the Cat Heads' primary sound is sort of a jangle/roots acoustic-rock thingie, but the hidden final track (on vinyl, remember) is this weird Rudy Vallee-type croon (megaphone vocal and all) with the main lyric "Fuck yewwwwwww, you're too dull to even argue with, Fuck yewwwwww...." Ha! Shades of Moby Grape/Arthur Godfrey, I 'spose. Eb, who once saw the Cat Heads perform for an audience of *seven* (ouch) PS Cute subject line, btw. Has that ever been used for an album title? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:38:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: "Gimme boy-rock!" she proclaimed >Well, the Alanis album is better than chinese water torture as well, but >you won't catch me running out to go experience that either. Susan's bias against almost all modern "girl" acts continues. Do you folks know I sent her a long list of current female pop/rock acts (ones which I personally liked) to offer quick views on, and the ONLY one she would wax enthusiastic about was Marianne Faithfull, who of course basically has a male voice (as well as heavy male input on almost all her records)? Sheesh. ;P >[Regarding Guns N Roses' Manson cover] >What was it, by the way? The same one the Beach Boys also recorded? Um...yeah, I think so -- "Cease to Exist," the same song that Redd Kross also recorded back in 1982. Anyone else know for sure? I don't own any GnR albums. And the Beach Boys' version had a slightly different title, right? Something like "Never Learn Not to Love (Cease to Exist)?" >Incidentally, I have actually had the dubious privilege of hearing the >Manson family's record. Suffice it to say that I doubt he had too many >music connoisseurs among his followers. I've had the dubious privileges of hearing Mansun, Marilyn Manson and Shirley Manson too. Not much better. ;) >Eh, go read up on it yourself, you lazy Libra you . Did I tell you my birthday once, or was that a guess? Because you're right! Incidentally, the new Bob Dylan album is tentatively scheduled to be released on my birthday. Woo-hoo! >> Eb, who thinks that Elastica's "Connection" should also be on the short >> list of this decade's great singles > >WHAT? See opening comments. Eb, who definitely likes the High Llamas better than the Chinese Water Torture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:20:53 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: Cover Your Tracks Eb wrote: > > I think my favorite VINYL hidden track was off a 1988 record by a San > Francisco group called the Cat Heads. Some of my favorite hidden tracks include the "Car Wash Hair" song off Mercury Rev's "Yerself Is Steam" album. If I remember right, not only is it an obscure cover that is not listed (perhaps even an add-on song at the last minute), but it does the old run-through-up-to-99 counter thing. There's also a few snippets of reject studio stuff on the end of the Lemonhead's "Come On Feel..." album, including their very-garage cut-up tribute to Lenny Kravitz. The end of this album is rather annoying though. My other fav, and it's a short one, is the drunken-father spoken word bit on the end of Bauhaus' "The Sky's Gone Out" album. "I wonder what the future holds..." Related topic: What do y'all think about the very minor trend of including bonus disks? Examples: Sugar's "Besides" album, some of which contained a live 2nd CD; Ultra Vivid Scene's "Rev" album, with sorta an EP stuck inside; the original pressing of NIN's "Broken", with the little 3" 2-track CD shoved inside in it's own separate pouch. I usually like it except in the Sugar case, where I'd already bought the one without the live CD and couldn't see buying the same album again just for the bonus. More hated is when an album comes out in both a one CD and a two CD format: namely the last live Velvet Underground album. I'd already bought the abbreviated one-disk version before I realized my mistake! Mike Runion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 13:14:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Hitchcock's hidden track How 'bout that odd little jam that follows "Heaven" on fegmania? A bona fide vinyl hidden track which remains "hidden" on CD. If I remember correctly, it's about a half inch or so into the record's "inner groove" and therefore may have been undetectable on automatic record players. I've got it listed as "Fobykob" in my discography, but I never would have come up with that title on my own. Maybe Bayard has it listed that way in his song list? -rr ------------------------------ From: Jeff Vaska Subject: shirt - all robyn and nothing but Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:34:00 -0700 Hiyuh, Ok, so I had this thought today. I'm not sure whose email piqued my curiousity, but has anybody ever done a chart which tallies which shirts robyn wore on which night, in which order, etc.? know what I mean? Sure it sounds ridiculous, but who knows, we may find some dark mysteries unveiled from behind it all. And could you image the graph one could produce from such an undertaking? If people are willing to dig through countless emails from his past tours, we probably could get a detailed report. I would be willing to produce some way overly designed charts which could display this information, the depth of our fan-ness, and also how much free time I really have these days. As robyn flits to and fro across the world (ok the us, germany and britain) we might find that certain connections among various sites could in fact arise - I'm thinkin' pentagrams and stuff like that people. Ok, my insanity/coca cola is wearing off, I should probably revert back to being a workaholic for the rest of the day. Cheers to the fegs!...ta-ra!!...jv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .