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Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Montreal Comedy Festival Re: Love Poisoning Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 Colourblind James Experience (No RH) Shuffling over the bonus tracks, blood on the flagstones, etc. Re: Dunwich and stats TAFKAP (0% RH) Re: Love Poisoning the first hidden track Re: Love Poisoning Worst of 1997 Manson's tune (no RH) Re: music (and a lot of hooey) Love Poisoning Various people wrote... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eugene Subject: Montreal Comedy Festival Out of curiousity, is anyone going up to the festival from the list? I know it's not directly related, but Robyn is a funny guy, and well, there might be people interested in that sort of thing. I'm going up for a few days, which is why I ask. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Lounge Soot: A night of alternative comedy Every Thursday at 10:30 at the Green Street Grill in Central Square 280 Green Street Cambridge, MA 21+ $3 "One of the smartest comedy nights in town." - The Boston Phoenix My humor homepage: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:06:14 -0400 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Love Poisoning Tom sed: >P.S. Trio rules. Tom is a smart and wise man. Ja Ja Ja! >P.P.S. I'd like to see a fight between Tool and Rage Against The Machine. You mean like in an academic quiz bowl or a tub full of jello? >I could piss in the street >and hit at least ten kids wearing Pearl Jam t-shirts who have never heard >of Mudhoney and were probably in Kindergarten when their favorite radio >station switched from "Rock" to "Alternative." Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. In that vein, consider this: when the Red Hot Chili Peppers finally broke into mainstream radio, their DJs had the unmitigated fucking gall to brag that they were bringing "new, alternative music to the hungry masses" although I had already had to tolerate their music (and Anthony Keidis' urge to bonk every thing with legs and breasts that passed in front of him) for way too many years in college radio. >I don't know what this all means, but I just had to say it. Basically, it means (to quote Neil Peart) plus ca change, plus c'est meme chose. The suburban angst is the same, only the bands, clothes, t-shirts, and images have changed. When I was an angst-ridden high-school teen, the average Neighborhood Toughs wore Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath t-shirts, torn Levis, and had long greasy hair. (Of course, those people questioned *my* sexuality becaused I listened to the Cars, whose lead signer wore an earring in his *right* ear...) .Now the Neighborhood Toughs wear Korn and NIN t-shirts, baggy jeans, and have possibly the stoopidist haircuts imaginable. What they all really need is just a good hug and an hour of the Soft Boys every day, I think. +++++++++++++++++ "Don't let Western Civilization + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + make a dipshit out of you." +++++++++++++++++ -- Spot 1019 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:40:31 +0100 From: fiona zinovieff Subject: Re: Feg Digest V5 #171 Terrence Marks wrote Is it just me, or has 90s music been notably les s impressive than 80s and 70s and 60s music? it must be you why don't you open up another receptor chanel in your brain and don't wait until we're in the 21st century befor music of the 90's sounds impressive. I spent a wet weekend at glastonbury being continually impressed by the diversity and quality of the music. We are truly reaping the harvest of the diverse influences of the previous decades so now you can mash your brains with the orb, dance like banshees to system 7 ( steve hillage was part of Gong in the 1970's) there were the chemical brothers being full on, van morrison maybe qualifying as a blast from the past but very much alive and making music, Edward II who were truly mad, ani difranco,david byrne I could go on and on for three days of non stop hedonistic blathering so I'll stop here.............Jah Wobble wasn't there this year but he is an outstanding contributor to this decade of sound. But it is a refrain I heard in the 1970s when I was adolecent, and I heard people in the 1980's saying how great it must have been to have been a teenager in the 70's , so praps its only your age and you'll grow out of it and reminise with rose filtered headphones - Then you'er going to change your strawberry mind but don't leave it too long I'm off to WOMAD this weekend to be more impressed by the diversity - Megadog dance tent, Ravi Shanka and of course Robyn on Sunday. Any of you going too? f.zed - I put the zed in full because I too speak with british spelling ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 15:16:26 +0100 Subject: Colourblind James Experience (No RH) fegs all, Does anyone know much about the Colourblind James Experience? I have two albums (which are fantastic BTW) and there is no info to be found on the web. Are they still going and how many other albums are there? Also, I too have noticed the "extras" you get on CDs. I heard a Tool CD that had multiple blank tracks on it, and I have a stack of CDs that have long pauses after the last track before some extra "babbling" kicks in for the last few seconds. What gives? As was pointed out it's a pain when you tend to use shuffle mode. The Barenaked Ladies have the right idea though. The last few releases have some cool CD-ROM stuff on 'em. (H) N.P. Everclear "World Of Noise" (although not for much longer I suspect) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:48:28 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Shuffling over the bonus tracks, blood on the flagstones, etc. Various folk (including Russ and Tom) lamented in various recent digests about the difficulty of playing those hard-to-find bonus tracks in shuffle-play, skipping the one track that everybody else loves, but you hate etc. etc. I have the answer... [climbs on to soapbox] It's name is Minidisc! Boy, I've got to tell you; I have had mine about two weeks (I got a home deck and a portable recorder). This is the best format out there guys -- bar none -- and solves all Russ' problems at a stroke. In case you don't know what it is: It is a tiny 3" disc which can record up to 74 minutes (74 minutes and 59 seconds, actually) of digital sound. It was originally designed by Sony to replace cassette tape with a cleaner, more convenient format. At first I was I little uneasy because it uses a lossy compression method to squeeze all that sound on to the little disk (Supposedly, it throws away the "inaudible" data which otherwise takes up space). If you are really untrusting or doing demanding studio work, it won't replace DAT - but to my ear the sound is utterly indistinguishable from CD (and many HiFi magazine reviewers agree). This means, of course, that MD to MD copies are not "bit perfect" (like DAT to DAT), but they claim you'd need to get to the 20th generation copy before you'd hear any degradation. (This is now the fourth generation of the technology so I guess they've got all the bugs ironed out by now.) MD has all the benefits of CD (digital quality, random access, no rewinding), all the benefits of cassette (record as many times as you like, small robust package) *and* all the benefits of computer disk (edit, cut, paste, move, split, join, resequence etc. etc.). When you want to record you never have to find a blank place on the tape - it just uses the free space that's there (it will tell you how much). You don't like track 11? Delete it! One song is made up of 200 tracks? Join them together! You like the ML version of Devils Radio better than the ME one? No problem. Record the version you like, delete the one you don't and move it to the same spot in your CD recording. Five minutes of silence before that bonus track? Just mark it and delete. Oh, and you can give every track a name up to 128 chars, plus a time stamp. If your CD player has digital output you don't even have to set record levels (it will insert the track marks for you, too). The minidisc's digital input even has sample rate conversion - so you can mix in a few of those live performance tracks from your DAT! MD is *huge* in Japan (about 70% of domestic stereo sales) and is growing in many other countries (e.g. Germany). It has also caught on in the commercial radio world for jingles, ads etc. - so it is definitely here to stay. Sony is *finally* addressing the US market this year and cut the price of their basic home deck (still infinitely better than the priciest cassette deck) to $299. OK. OK. I've gushed enough. (Where was I the last couple of weeks? On the Minidisk list gushing about Robyn, of course!) If you want to know more, email me and we'll take it off-list. ~N LSDiamond: See. I warned you! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:17:21 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Dunwich and stats >This is easy. We have everyone's votes from the 'best RH album' mouldering >in a vault somewhere. All we have to do is run a Pearson correlation on >the dates of issue, against Randi's new "when I first saw RH" dates. Null >hypothesis is that there is no correlation, alternative hypothesis is that >there is a positive correlation (so I would say it was one-tailed). Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! (this accompanied by the sight of James running from the computer). At least he didn't mention Chi squared or Analysis of variance. >PS News for all you Arkham and Innsmouth residents: Apparently there is a >real town of Dunwich in Suffolk which is fast slipping into the sea >(photos in today's Guardian). I wonder if they realise that buried deep in >the slime, but scrabbling squelchily ever nearer to the surface as the >cliff-face crumbles, there may be lurking a horror which can only be >described as "The Unnameable" . . . The village of Dunwich has been slipping away for centuries. On the same coast (possibly *at* Dunwich, IIRC) are the ruins of a church that now lies quite some distance out to sea. England is tilting very slowly. The west has high cliffs - the east has low flat land. Parts of the south east that were harbours in Roman times are now inland. As for Dunwich, it's probably those people chanting "aiaaa Fthagn!" that are causing it all. BTW - Brian Eno (who was born in Suffolk) wrote an ambient track called "Dunwich Beach", which is on his album "Ambient 4: On land" James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:30:11 -0400 Subject: TAFKAP (0% RH) Anyone going to see Prince at the Fleet Center in Boston on Friday night? Marcy ------------------------------ From: "Burlesque Ives" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:47:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Love Poisoning CC: The Warm Long Heat Of Love On 22 Jul 97 at 16:14, Tom Clark wrote: > One more thought: Ever notice that as soon as all the bands start > sounding alike, a bunch of SKA bands pop up? Will frat rock outlive > us all? Actually, frat rock will be the record by which our children's children's children's children will judge us and our place in time. Unfortunately, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, not Robyn Hitchcock, will be amongst the musicians of our time who will be looked upon as "influential" and "important". Hootie Blowfish's spawn will be collecting royalties until the turn of the *next* millineum (that's 3001, folks) while Maizie (sp?) Hitchcock might actually have to work for a living. "Louie, Louie" will still be played by every bar band in existence and "Bohemian Rhapsody" will become the "classical" standard played by orchestrae futurae. At the same time, "Balloon Man" (just to use an example) will still be a cute, quirky, novelty hit by an "eccentric Englishman" who was obviously influenced by Syd Barrett and John Lennon. Thank goodness I won't be around when it happens. I just hope people will revere FVZ as the god he is/was. > is it friday yet? Tom, first, show up Thursday...then we'll talk about Friday. BTW -- Congratulations on OS8!!! --g "When she opened her mouth, she just blew me away." --Country Music Star Vince Gill on what first impressed him about his current girlfriend, Bekka Bramlett. (N.B. He was referring to her singing ability.) ************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net ************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:27:52 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: the first hidden track >**Can anybody think of an earlier "hidden track" than "Her Majesty"? HM is >out of the closet now, of course, but original copies of the Abbey Road >didn't list it on the cover, and it followed a good :50 seconds of silence. >[there's an interesting story behind that, by the way: HM was originally >part of the "Mustard/Pam/Bathroom Window" medley, right between "Pam" & >"Window". They decided it didn't really work with the other tunes, so >George Martin snipped out the song, but he put it at the end of the tape >(after the album), just in case. If I remember the story correctly, the >engineer left it on, thinking it was supposed to be part of the album. So >that's why there's such a long space before HM starts. And the reason >starts with such a big chord is because it's actually the last note of >"Polythene Pam". And the reason there's no final note is because the final >note is still in the medley, burried beneath the first note of "Bathroom >Window"] > -russ Hmmm. I have heard a version with the final note - it was on a BBC radio special on the Beatles several years back. Also, I've heard another story about that song, but it's probable that thousands of legends have sprung up around the Beatles anyway. What I heard was that, realising it was probably going to be the Beatles last studio album together, Paul decided that the final medley should have some sort of final comment. In British cinemas (certainly in the 60s, but I doubt now), after the credits roll on a movie, but before the lights come up, the national anthem is played. Paul grabbed that idea, and put his own answer to God Save the Queen on the end of the album, after allowing a few seconds "for the credits to roll". Several Beatles albums did end with oddities in this way - John's comment about the audition on Let it Be; the inner groove of Sgt. Pepper (an earlier hidden track!), the schmaltzy "That's all we've got time for this week, Basil!"-type feel of "Good Night" on "The Beatles (aka The White Album)". I think it may have been an idea triggered by listening to the Byrds' early albums (George in particular was very much influenced by Roger McGuinn). - their first few albums ended with weird throwaway tracks like "We'll meet again" - originally poularised by Vera Lynn (Vera Lynn? Forces sweetheart, I'm your twin...) James (fighting desperately to get back to Robyn's music here!) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Love Poisoning Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 16:14:46 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" On 7/22/97 4:31 PM, Russ Reynolds stated emphatically: >I just want to interrupt things here and say that I think "Love Poisoning" >is a great song. Can't get it out of my head today. > >I don't care about the things you do >It must be horrifying being you >You screwed me up and broke my heart in two >And some day someone will do that for you > Seconded. I always loved the line about being put into a bassoon. >I'm surprised hallmark hasn't called him about that one. "When You Care Enough To Send Your Very Worst" P.S. Trio rules. P.P.S. I'd like to see a fight between Tool and Rage Against The Machine. P.P.P.S. What happened when "...Teen Spirit" hit the airwaves was the same thing that happened in 1982 when "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?" made inroads to the mainstream. i.e., record companies signed every NuWave/Grunge band they could find, thus pigeonholing and ultimately diluting any original sound for ten years. I could piss in the street and hit at least ten kids wearing Pearl Jam t-shirts who have never heard of Mudhoney and were probably in Kindergarten when their favorite radio station switched from "Rock" to "Alternative." I don't know what this all means, but I just had to say it. P.P.P.P.S I'm just using Culture Club as an example. If anyone has a better idea what the impetus for the last genre switch was, please say so. Devo? REM? Tom Jones? One more thought: Ever notice that as soon as all the bands start sounding alike, a bunch of SKA bands pop up? Will frat rock outlive us all? is it friday yet? -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:56:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Worst of 1997 >eb, you REALLY need to give AENIMA another listen. as long as the >egyptians are broke up, i can't see that there's a better band in the >world than tool. by the way, is AENIMA the maximum length for a cd? i >think it just might be. Oh, it's impossible to hate AENIMA unless you've just "skimmed" the CD, eh? Well, I listened to it twice and still hate it violently. I can't listen to it again, because I already sold it back (I sold back the other two Tool releases also). I thought it was completely unlistenable -- I impatiently tapped my fingers through the whole damn thing, waiting for the SONGS to start. Instead, I just got endless empty riffs in search of tunes and utterly pointless "conceptual interludes" -- I don't think I've EVER heard an album with more filler (even Bowie's Outside pales in comparison). You could cut 20 minutes out of that CD in a snap. So don't be too proud about its length. Also: I don't remember AENIMA's exact time, but I think it was around 75 minutes, which isn't PARTICULARLY enormous. I think my own longest CD is Foetus' Sink compilation (hi Gene), which is a cool 79:57. Trout Mask Replica is 79-something also. Anyway, sorry dude. I hate Tool. A lot. And I doubt that anyone else on this list shares your passion. Eb, who still thinks the singer sounds like Micky Dolenz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 14:35:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Manson's tune (no RH) >I remember the Manson controversy -- but are you sure the track was >"hidden?" I just checked. It's hidden. (station copy, not mine!) There is a reference to "Charlie" in the CD liner notes, which is supposed to be Manson, but no mention of the song title anywhere The notes on G&R that I compiled for the station at the time say that Manson was indeed getting royalties in jail. I seem to remember reading a rebuttal of that somewhere, but I don't have a record of a rebuttal anywhere in those G&R notes. I'm not even sure I'm spelling rebuttal correctly. It looks funny to me, but I don't care enough to check. -rr ------------------------------ From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:04:07 -0700 Subject: Re: music (and a lot of hooey) In My Horrible Opinion: I appreciate the thought-provocation that was thrust upon us by one of our geographically- unfortunate correspondants. I, too, come down on both sides. Every time I consider that the airwaves are polluted with a billion billion Kurt Gobang wannabe's, countryJuddnicks, Kenny Geezzzzzzzzz, I recall the treasures that have shown out through the manure pit this sludgy decade. King Crimson reformed, offering an extreme breadth of audio bandwidth; though Boingo passed on, some of their most important work happened in this decade; I think our man RH is becoming an even better songwriter; Ministry was pretty cool; Beck, Crash Test Dummies, Garbage, and Dan Berg have turned my ears upward. Another matter for me is the undying belief in the 'darkest before dawn' theory. As in about 1976, when everything had rutted and gathered such thick roots, and nothing seemed new anymore, suddenly TalkingHeads, Devo, Sex Pistols, Joe Jackson, Elvis Costello, etc. renewed my faith in music and really brought me back into it. Who knows, maybe this is the big year for clever, interesting stuff like Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark. ;-) or 8-) Hey, what about that great tribute CD, _Glass Flesh!_? I rest my case. -Markg not such a crappy time to be alive, and every day is a great day to be me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 15:31:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Love Poisoning I just want to interrupt things here and say that I think "Love Poisoning" is a great song. Can't get it out of my head today. I don't care about the things you do It must be horrifying being you You screwed me up and broke my heart in two And some day someone will do that for you I'm surprised hallmark hasn't called him about that one. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:55:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Various people wrote... >Did the Clash lose royalties on "Train in Vain" because it wasn't listed on >the album? hmmm. Well, I suspect that song eventually came out on a "non-hidden" 45, rendering the point somewhat moot. But again, I stress that I am not sure at all about the legalties involved here. I'm going to look into this on my own. >I am limiting the scale to popular music because it's >popular and has a bigger impact on things and is what this >decade's music will be remembered by. When you think "Music >of the 90s", do you think Alanis Morissette or do you think >The High Llamas? Once again, Terrence, you dwell on this same tiny set of fairly innocuous '60s-tribute bands (High Llamas, Rain Parade, Viva Saturn...). Recognize that many informed folks DON'T think that these groups are gigantic artistic forces who would be superstars in a perfect world. Personally, I think the Alanis album is better than the High Llamas (at least, based on hearing Hawaii). Not that I'm a real big fan of hers, though. >i seem to remember reading that when guns 'n' roses' _the spaghetti >incident_ (an album of covers) came out there was a hidden track written >by charles manson and that he was getting some serious royalties for it. I remember the Manson controversy -- but are you sure the track was "hidden?" >the 70s to me is pretty much Roxy Music and Bowie Jeez Susan, that's pretty narrow.... :P >Terry, I hate to say this but your Virgo is showing. Please tuck it in. Please explain this comment. :) And if you're so astrologically attuned, guess what sign I am? Eb, who thinks that Elastica's "Connection" should also be on the short list of this decade's great singles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .