From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #171 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 171 Monday July 21 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- guitar albums, maps, and divers alarums Globe Of Fegs--A Theory 12 Bar Show and Boat Trip Re: Boat Race gig Re: Globe Of Fegs--A Theory You were the first one... Amazing records for sale! Re: Globe Of Fegs--A Theory Runion's Plan is foiled! (100% Robyn in spirit content) Devopallooza Re: Devopallooza (NO RH!) Re: Tewl police come with a laser gun Re: septicemia and meeting Robyn Feg Food Re: police come with a laser gun (maybe 8% Robyn) groovy baby Music Uncorrected Personal groovy baby Groovy Dec. Re: Bonus Re: Music hidden tracks and such (no RH) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:35:29 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: guitar albums, maps, and divers alarums >>how many albums prominently feature a quitar on the sleeve. there's got >>to be zillions of them, but i can only think of BLACK SNAKE, BROTHERS IN >>ARMS, and those boston guitar/spaceship covers. >I'll Chime in with AXE VICTIM by Be Bop Deluxe before our resident Bill >Nelson fan gets a chance to... ah, yes, featuring the late, great NZ musician, Charlie Tumahai (sorry, couldn't resist the obligatory NZ music reference :) The Chills - Heavenly pop hits The Church - Hindsight Eric Clapton - Timepieces Elvis Costello - My aim is true Deep Purple - Machine head 801 - 801 live Gordon Lightfoot - Sundown GW McLennan - Fireboy Gerry Rafferty - City to city Marty Willson-Piper - Rhyme The Tufnels - Lurid despite all this, I still get the unnerving feeling that Eb and I shop at the same record stores. That selection you listed had me checking my own list, to find that I had 15 of them, ranging from LBGP (surprise, surprise, since I used to work with Lesley Paris), to McDonald and Giles, to the Portsmouth Sinfonia. And for once I agree with Eb... >>I find that's largely true. Favorite albums are almost always those >>associated with favorable circumstances. >Nah, I don't believe that. neither do I - otherwise I'd never listen to the Swingers' "Counting the Beat" or Dave Dobbyn's "Outlook for Thursday" - two excellent true NZ classics, but very depressing memories... > > Hell, I'm a huge Blind Faith fan, and I only > > have one of their albums. . . . >what a coincident. i have only one Blind faith record too. yeah me too. Trouble is, we probably all own the same one, so it's pointless of us dubbing off copies for each other :) >>I looked at the map. It is indeed groovy. One question, though - when I >>checked it looked as though the diameter of the dots was directly >>proportional to the number of respondents. At this rate, won't the dot >>for NYC or Chicago or LA end up bigger than the whole map? You might >>consider a smaller multiplier. Then again, you probably already thought >>of that. >Ah! I wondered if someone would question this. Here's the deal. A small >dot (5 pixel diameter) on a fegmap represents a town with one and only one >lonely feg. A large dot (8 pixel diameter) bespeaks of an area rich in >fegs, be there 2 or 10,000. I contemplated color schemes, increasing dot >size, etc, but didn't want to clutter the pristene simplicity required of >a true fegmap. Hope this helps. I believe that many cartographers use a linear increase in size for a geometric increase in number, so maybe 4px = 1 person, 6px=2, 8px=4, 10px=8, 12px=16, and so on. That would mean that 1,000 fegs would only need a 24px dot ("one kilofeg"), and a megafeg would require 44px. was playing: "If six was nine" - Hendrix, then "2541" by Grant Hart. Now playing: "Millions" - XTC. James ------------------------------ From: SydneyC33@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 02:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Globe Of Fegs--A Theory Hats off to Mike of the Map Runion, Cartographer Extrordinaire! The Globe of Fegs is way cool, indeed! Now we know whose floors we can crash on when we're following Robyn around the world on his next tour. ;) But my recent visit has me pondering... Has anyone noticed a dearth of dots in the interior regions of our great lands? It's astounding to me how close most of us are to major water bodies. Yes, many of our major cities are there, but still... Has it something to do with the ability to acquire fresh seafood? Have our land-locked fegfolk simply not responded? And I'm perspexed by the absence of dots in LA. We *know* you're there... And while I'm at it, shall we grow that Sacramento dot a little? Anton? Mark B.? Anyway, I think the Globe is grand, and it has NOTHING to do with the fact that I'm a geographer. :) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 04:14:23 UT From: "Julie Burton" Subject: 12 Bar Show and Boat Trip After returning from a quick trip to London, and scanning the past week's digests, it appears that no one has posted anything on last Wednesday's show at the 12 Bar. Thus, I will emerge from my usual lurker mode to offer up a set list as well as my brief comments... Unfortunately, I did not have my recorder with me, as I had not planned to be in London that night, so I was unable to tape the show :( Does anyone out there know of anyone who did? I would really like to get a copy, if at all possible - I have lots to trade. Anyway, here is the set list, as I was able to take notes: (Acoustic) Ghost Ship Thundering Wide Open Star Clean Steve Guildford I Something You The Ghost In You (Electric, and with Ntshuks Bonga on Sax) Devil's Radio The Lizard (Electric, minus Sax) This Could Be The Day You and Oblivion Driving Aloud (Encore, Electric with Dear Janes) Daisy Bomb (With Sax) Arnold Layne (Electric - Solo) The Speed of Things BTW, Robyn was wearing my favorite lime green pants, with a white shirt and a vest, and changed into the green and black diamond print shirt for the encore. All in all, it was a quite a good show. However, it was really hot, the place was packed, and there was little or no ventilation. I think Robyn kept the between song banter to a minimum to move things along a bit. He even commented during the encore that he would let us go so that we could all replenish our lost fluids! He also mentioned that they would be handing out information after the show regarding the upcoming Antwoman Boat Trip! Sure enough, on my way out I was handed a nice orange hand-drawn flyer for "Robyn Hitchcock at Sea," which is occurring on August 16th at 5pm, at the Harbour Master's Pier in Lymington. Tickets are 8 pounds, and are available from Antwoman (P.O. Box 14864, London W4 2GD). Send a S.A.E., and checks payable to R. Hitchcock. Call 0181 677 4744 for additional info. I assume this will be like the infamous bus trip on the Isle of Wight... Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:09:41 +0100 (BST) From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Re: Boat Race gig > Then came (although not necessarily in this order), My Wife And My Dead > Wife... I knew I'd missed one out from the set list I posted! For anyone taking notes, MW&MDW came after I'm Only You and before Beautiful Girl. > Back on (same shirt/guitar), asks if Kimberley Rew is here, and Kimberley > climbs on stage to a fair amount of applause (sorry, can't remember his shirt, > but I don't think it means as much!) >From memory, I think it was a green with black pattern effort. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:31:26 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Globe Of Fegs--A Theory On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 SydneyC33@aol.com wrote: > Hats off to Mike of the Map Runion, Cartographer Extrordinaire! Seconded! I just admired the British Isles map (that's me at the bottom on the left) and was disappointed not to see any dots in Ireland. Surely with the IRA ceasefire, some signs of _Fegmania_ should soon be apparent in the Emerald Isle? - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:26:26 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: You were the first one... >Aha, here's my chance to advance my Robyn Hitchcock imprinting theory: >in my experience, the first few RH albums a person listens to becomes >special favourites regardless of quality. For me, Queen Elvis was the >second, and it still occupies a special place in several of my internal >organs. Which ones? Isles of Langerhans, vena cava, lumbar vertebrae, what?? A nation holds its breath. Ya, I would say that theory holds true. Another favorite, "Element of Light," marked the beginning of my renewed interest in Robyn which began a few months ago, so I guess that counts as a "first album" also. I don't know about the theory of positive experiences and albums, though - I associate "Perspex Island" with a good time of my life but I don't care for the album much anymore. The imprinting theory works for other bands, too. Objectively speaking, I don't think "Mummer" is XTC's best album, but it was my first, and by god I will defend it to the death, and beyond. (You wanna fight about it? Huh? Huh?) Now I'm going away again now, n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:12:41 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Amazing records for sale! OK Fegs, Below is a list of some very tasty goodies being sold by Vinyl Ink, a righteous record store in Silver Spring, MD, USofA. I don't work for them, but I've been buying from them online, in person, and over the phone for almost two years, and they have yet to let me down. It seems some nut has sold his/her entire RH collection to them, and most of it is autographed. It's incredible. I myself bought an autographed copy of the Soft Boys' first single from Vinyl Ink last week (welp, Wang-Bo didn't sign it, but Andy, Robyn, and Morris did). HITCHCOCK Exploding in Silence US 12" 4 track promo on Relativity $10.00 HITCHCOCK, ROBYN Brenda's Iron Sledge UK 12" Autographed by Robyn and also contains "Only the Stones Remain" & "The Pit of Souls Parts i - IV" $20.00 HITCHCOCK, ROBYN Fegmanial UK LP Autographed by Robyn + 3 $25.00 HITCHCOCK, ROBYN Groovy Decoy US LP Nice autographed (by Robyn) copy on Midnight Records $18.00 SOFT BOYS (I Want to Be An) Anglepoise Lamp/Fatman's Son UK 7" Autographed by ROBYN, KIMBERLY, ANDY & MORRIS $30.00 SOFT BOYS Live at the Portland Arms UK LP 1987 release on Glass Fish Records $18.00 SOFT BOYS Only The Stones Remain UK 12" Autographed by Robyn & Morris on Armageddon Records $25.00 SOFT BOYS Underwater Moonlight CA LP Autographed by Robyn, Morris & Kimberly. Canadian pressing on Attic $25.00 | Vinyl Ink Records | vinylink@ari.net | http://vinylink.ari.net | 955 Bonifant St Silver Spring MD 20910 USA | Phone (301) 588-4695 | Fax (301) 495-3105 __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:12:51 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: Globe Of Fegs--A Theory On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > Seconded! I just admired the British Isles map (that's me at the bottom on > the left) and was disappointed not to see any dots in Ireland. Surely with > the IRA ceasefire, some signs of _Fegmania_ should soon be apparent in the > Emerald Isle? It has something to do with Sinn Feg. JL -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Subject: Runion's Plan is foiled! (100% Robyn in spirit content) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 12:03:03 -0000 From: The Great Quail Mike the Evil One writes, >Ach! Foiled again, this time by what I'd presumed to be simply a >mild-mannered >Chemistry teacher from somewhere deep within the black forests of >Pennsylvania, >one taken with strange underground role-playing games and stone circles. >The >Thomas Pynchon connection should have clued me in... Well, it's not my fault that you were slow on the uptake, Mike. You had plenty of opportunities to bust me as an undercover agent, but you were just too slow. That ridiculous thread about your name kept you so busy, I had all the time in the world to download your HTML source code and go through it. . . . I mean, come on, Mike! Stuff like: Look at the pretty cones! The shiny cones! Obey me! and and GATCencode <--! Remember to have a fresh batch of clones ready for Christmas --> I mean, did you really think some of us haven't seen the specs on HTML 4.0? You have to be more tricky than this to catch the Globe of Fegs napping! >Yes, if it weren't for the meddling Quail, I'd have gotten away with it. True, but no need to thank me, fellow Fegs. Just another day of meddling in the lives of supervillians. Shaggy old me, that nattily dressed Bayard, leggy Susan, intelligent Syd, and our talking dog Ebby Doo. After foiling Mike, we piled up into the Mystery van and headed out for the scandal brewing on the Thatcher.net page, where we plan to team up with the dynamic Spice Girls and defeat the evils of PM Blair, who I understand is being played by celebrity guest voice Roger Ebert. >Now >that I've been found out and this pseudocartoon is nearly over, I'll spill >my >guts like all worthless TV-land criminals once caught. If you would have read the List of Things Never to Do When You Are Attempting to Become an Evil Overlord, you would know not to spill your plan at every conceivable oppurtunity. But I am sure you are at least partially competent. I mean, you do have an escape pod ready, right? >It is we who are responsible for the >botched >disappearance of one Debbie Flosshilde, and it was through her tortured >screams >that we learned of you...all of you! So, Debbie gave us up, eh? And you expect us to beleive *that?* Debbie would never spill her guts, unless you threatened to deny her sex and force her to unendingly listen to Ween demo tapes - my God! You *didn't?!* You fiends! If Robyn only *knew* how right he was! But the big question - was it you that engineered the disappearance of Ziggy the Baptist? No one has seen him since that fateful concert at Hammersmith, when he baptized Robyn's drummer who then sponatnously combusted. . . . >By the way, if you'd still like to be part of the Globe Of Fegs, just send >me >your name, city, and email address. Have a nice day. :) Look at the gall of the man! After unvieling his plot, he still has the temerity to ask for our names and addresses? Are we that far deep under the sway of the Runion? The Great Quail Harrisburg, PA TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Subject: Devopallooza Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 12:03:16 -0000 From: The Great Quail The following is a Feg Service Announcement: I have spent my weekend in Pittsburgh, home of the Andy Warhol Museum, the Penguins, and IC Light beer, surely one of the most dreaded microbrews on the planet. I was there to attend the rock concert some call Lollapalooza, because that was the only way I could see one of my favorite new bands, Tool. (Hey - for those of you that think Tool is just a simple mosh group, I invite you to listen totheir new CD, "Aenima." Tool are a very strage group indeed, with complex music, a twisted sense of humor, and some very bizarre song subjects.) Oh, sorry - self-defense mode going offline now. Here's why I am really writing - Tool were not the headliners, but a different group filled that space. A group that I never ever thought I would see, and yet. . . . Yes, I saw DEVO this weekend! And I'll tell you what - they were great! I was expecting a whole bunch of aging soft-bellied guys tiredly rehashing old "hits," and instead I got the Full Devo Experience. The hats, the weird movements in unison, the dances. . . . and the best thing was, they were full of energy and wit, and had slightly changed their songs around to give them a really lively, almost punk feel - they were great! They even won over the Lollapalooza crowd, which was not quite as harsh minded as the Simpson's Homerpalooza crowd, but not exactly ready to provide a mind as open as their nipple-piercings may suggest. Devo, guys, Devo! So for those of you that may get the chance to see them, I highly advise it. And I am not writing to start a Devo thread or anything, but I figure with this group of people, there's bound to be at least one or two Devo fans in the bunch. . . . Quailvo PS: Lollapalooza was not what it once was. Instead of a freak show, we were treated to a Earth Conservation/Vegan theme. I was hoping they meant something like "Save the Planet from Imminent Invasion from the Vegan System," but alas it was only a series of tents that tried to show how horrible it was to eat meat and to build houses and such, all rather against the spirit of certain Talking Heads albums. I was profoundly disappointed! I wanted FREAKS! Past Lolapaloozas got FREAKS!!! But the closest we got were pictures of mutant animals that ended up that way because of radiation or something. That was nice, but WHERE WERE THE FREAKS? Sigh. ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:42:23 -0400 From: "Wayne Grgurich" Subject: Re: Devopallooza (NO RH!) While IC Light indeed blows, please be advised that this is most certainly not a "microbrew" per se. The Pittsburgh Brewing Co. (located about a mile from both my home and my place o' work) is a fairly large regional brewery that has been pumping out various beers for 135 odd years. (The IC Light, fortunately, for only about 15 years.) The regular Iron City, though, is a pretty good American brew that I grew up with. Sorta like Chicago's Old Style - kinda tasty & has a kick. BTW, you should've caught August Wilson's amazing "Seven Guitars" at the Pittsbirgh Public Theater, which is only about two blocks away from the Warhol. -------------------------------------- Th' Quail sez: < Subject: Re: Tewl >I was there to attend the rock concert some >call Lollapalooza, because that was the only way I could see one of my >favorite new bands, Tool. (Hey - for those of you that think Tool is just >a simple mosh group, I invite you to listen totheir new CD, "Aenima." >Tool are a very strage group indeed, with complex music, a twisted sense >of humor, and some very bizarre song subjects.) I heard hundreds of new albums last year, and honest to God, Aenima was the my least favorite thing I heard all year. I just HATED it. Violently. Sorry. Not sure of the worst thing I've heard this year so far, but it's probably a battle between the new Royal Trux, Jane Jensen, Cruel Timothy and Body Count albums. Eb ------------------------------ From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: police come with a laser gun Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:15:21 PDT quail, bomb-throwing socialists only target private property, not people. so you've no need to worry about that particular breach in security. incidentally, the "secret track" [digression: i'm really sick of the practice, which is all the rage these days --even the uncorruptible ani difranco succumbs the urge on LIVING IN CLIP-- of placing a "bonus" song 10 minutes after the last "official" song fades out, ON THE SAME DAMN TRACK. i know we're all supposed to be too stupid to notice that the cd is still running even though the last song's finished. and then someday ten years after we've purchased the rekkid, when we're too busy lubing the chassis to get up to change discs, we finally hear it and it's like finding an easter egg in the middle of summer or something. very cute. very clever. i don't even mind that they don't list the song on the sleeve. and i thought it was pretty funny that tool programmed Disgustipated as track 69 on UNDERTOW. but trying to fast forward through a half-hour of dead air while you're whirring down the highway is just not any fun.] on tchkung!'s POST WORLD HANDBOOK, called i think, Cooking With Tchkung! Internationale, explains in several different languages how to make and employ molotov cocktails. i admit that i laughed out loud when i read that eb's most embarrassing robyn moment was when he heard GROOVY DECAY for the first time, (and again when he posited Mmmmmmmmmmmbop as the greatest single of all time) and i know the sentiment is pretty much Accepted Wisdom around these parts. but nobody ever says why they hate it so much. is it the lyrics? i dunno. i'd stack plato, pluto, monroe garbo all between the sheets they make their deals and drive their wheels down sugar-coated streets america humps, and america pumps, and its turbine over flows and anything else you can get for yourself you can shove it up your nose but: i don't know why i'm all alone i've always been a rolling stooooooone against anything he's ever written. and it seems the words for Nightride, Cars, 52 stations, Midnight Fish, How Do You Work This Thing, America, St. Petersburg, and It Was the Night are similarly inspired. i'm not trying to impose my taste on anyone else. but these are all pretty typical robyn lyrics, really. is it the music? well, ok, if you don't like saxophone there could be a problem. and, maybe it is kind of, um, groooovy. but nonetheless pleasing to these ears. and how many rock records are there where the featured instrument is sax instead of guitar? is it the art? the background cover could've been different, i suppose. but other than that, i love the picture. is it the "production"? that's why he put out DECOY, right? no problems there. just take your pick. i guess i should just shut up and remain blissfully ignorant. but i am curious, because when i pull a robyn album, it's as apt to be DECO as anything. really. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:40:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: septicemia and meeting Robyn On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, twofangs/randi spiegel wrote: > After the gig, having heard a *new* song with the line "septicemia > always wins," (I've had blood poisoning twice,) I gathered up my courage > and waited by the dressing room. > > He came out, my heart stopped, and I blurted, "septicemia doesn't always > win!" (sauve I am not). This is an almost unrelated silly note that is probably shorter and less satisifying than this very disclaimer: I had a friend in college named Dennis. Dennis was at one time a navy medic (Navy? maybe army... some form of military service, anyway). Dennis was a big freak. He took odd drugs and would sometimes storm into my room and say "I have Power! Tell her I have Power!" and shove a telephone in my face. One day while walking down a residence hallway, I stopped dead in my tracks as Dennis was coming the other way. He stopped as well and gave me a bemused smile. I said, "You know, Dennis, septicemia always wins." Dennis paused. He looked down at his shoes and rubbed his chin in thought. He looked up and said, "Yeah... Yeah, it pretty much does." We both walked on. I hope you didn't have to be there. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 15:37:52 Subject: Feg Food OK, so we've done lists out the wazzoo...favorite songs, bands, albums...we've done tape trees, and the cover CD...lets try something new.... ....since food is such an integral part of "da Man's" music....I think an RH inspired recipe collection....Moussaka, Chickpeas, Bass....if ya got a Feg recipe send it to me and I'll get them together and stick them on the ol' web site.... cheers Jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 7/21/97 668 - The Neighbor of the Beast ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: police come with a laser gun (maybe 8% Robyn) On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Eddie Tews wrote: > [digression: i'm really sick of the practice, which is all the > rage these days --even the uncorruptible ani difranco succumbs the urge > on LIVING IN CLIP-- of placing a "bonus" song 10 minutes after the last > "official" song fades out, ON THE SAME DAMN TRACK. i know we're all > supposed to be too stupid to notice that the cd is still running even > though the last song's finished. and then someday ten years after we've > purchased the rekkid, when we're too busy lubing the chassis to get up > to change discs, we finally hear it and it's like finding an easter egg > in the middle of summer or something. very cute. very clever. Our own Lobsterman Jones pointed out the most nifty thing to me this weekend: Folks are now putting music BEFORE the first track on a given CD. I only know of the two he mentioned and I've checked them both out and am duly impressed. They Might Be Giants' Factory Showroom and the compilation album The X-Files: Songs in the Key of X both contain material BEFORE track 01. You see, you play the first track and just as it's begining, you scan backward as if rewinding within the track. The counter goes negative like it often does in the silent moments between tracks, but not just one or two seconds, but minutes. Boyo, is it nifty! But again, as another friend pointed out last night when I borrowed his Songs in the Key of X to check out the extra material, "Hmm... I'll bet that just has to be the best song on the album to be hidden like that." Jason is prone to sarcasm. Anyway, this method is far prefered over the method of putting material thirty minutes into the last track as it is more friendly to the RANDOM or SHUFFLE mode and those of us with changers so that we don't have to wait half an hour between disc 1 and disc 2. (I won't even begin to tell you how much the 300,8,n,1 data on track 12 of Information Society's Peace & Love, Inc. bothers me and ruins any hope of pleasant listening.) And on the other note: > and i know the sentiment is pretty much Accepted Wisdom around these > parts. but nobody ever says why they hate it so much. I happen to like Groovy Decay quite a bit... but I like Groovy Decoy even better. I'd put it in my top five. It's darker, I think. I'd also say both of these records (or this one record of many incarnations) are dark and kind of mean. The silliness of How Do You Work This Thing and Young People Scream are far more vicious and unpleasant in sentiment than other light-hearted bits Robyn's done. I'm also partial to the cover of Groovy Decoy because we used to play with one of those lenses all the time in my friend Ian's basement. He pulled it out of an overhead projector and we'd spend way too much time making faces at each other through it and have quite a few photos depicting the fruits of our ridiculous sprouting. Yeah, you can hit delete now. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:07:11 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: groovy baby >i admit that i laughed out loud when i read that eb's most embarrassing >robyn moment was when he heard GROOVY DECAY for the first time, (and >again when he posited Mmmmmmmmmmmbop as the greatest single of all time) >and i know the sentiment is pretty much Accepted Wisdom around these >parts. but nobody ever says why they hate it so much. the sad thing is that these comments are so accepted. i get sick of chiming in to its defense when it many detractors let loose. sure, it's a somber and downright lo-fi album; but there are so many good songs. who can deny the bittersweet poinency of '52 stations' or the dizzying decadence of 'america'? the music is very understated. there is a sensual kind of fuzzy feel that borders on goofyness. the sound seems to substitute substance for style, but it still sounds like robyn. eighties robyn. i love that electronic noise in the background of 'the rain'. 'how do you work this thing?' is the low point for me, but still kind of funny. 'st. petersburg' and 'it was the night' are all saxaphone, but not at all bad. 'the cars she used to drive' coulda/shoulda/woulda been a single. i like the demos the best; but that's probably because i'm so used to them. KEN "now it's coming on again" "honey watch me drown!" ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Music Is it just me, or has 90s music been notably les s impressive than 80s and 70s and 60s music? Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 21:14:32 UT From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Uncorrected Personal Recenetly on my Brit-Indie group new release list I saw the following entry: August 5 US Album- Robyn Hitchcock- Uncorrected Personal What is this? Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 14:30:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: groovy baby sez Ken: > 'how do you work this thing?' is the low point for me then you should program your changer to play just the original tracks. -rr (don't get me started on bonus tracks!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 13:58:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Groovy Dec. >is it the "production"? that's why he put out DECOY, right? no >problems there. just take your pick. personally, I thought the album was a big disapointment after everything else he'd done up to that point in his career. I gave it several chances and just couldn't stomach it. Put it on the shelf and forgot about it. Then I saw him perform a number of those songs live, and they sounded great. Groovy Decay was released. Sounded great. So maybe it was the production. I still don't care much for Night Ride to Trinidad, but I rank the rest of those songs among some of his best. St. Petersburg. 52 Stations. Cars she used to drive. The Rain. When I was a kid (although there were versions with the soft boys, the GD version--I believe--was the first one to be released), America....did I mention St. Petersburg? It's gotta be the production. -rr in the changer today: Nirvana-Unplugged Julian Cope-20 Mothers Robyn Hitchcock-Moss Elixir Robyn Hitchcock-You & Oblivion Tom Petty-Wildflowers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:58:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bonus Capuchin wrote: >Folks are now putting music BEFORE the first track on a given CD. >I only know of the two he mentioned and I've checked them both out and am >duly impressed. They Might Be Giants' Factory Showroom and the >compilation album The X-Files: Songs in the Key of X both contain material >BEFORE track 01. The first disc I ever heard which did this was a totally forgotten album on the Zoo label by a bad Texas industrial/gothesque band called Course of Empire. I'm aware of the above two CDs' tricks, and in fact can't name any other albums with pre-album bonus tracks at the moment. Anyone? >Anyway, this method is far prefered over the method of putting material >thirty minutes into the last track as it is more friendly to the RANDOM or >SHUFFLE mode and those of us with changers so that we don't have to wait >half an hour between disc 1 and disc 2. Well, the problem is that certain CD players won't recognize those pre-album tracks. Many times, I've heard people complain about their inability to hear those bonus songs on the X Files compilation. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Music On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Is it just me, or has 90s music been notably les s impressive than 80s and > 70s and 60s music? It's you and your aging, stagnating mind. There's heaps of new music that's fantastic and good and fun and poignant and wonderful and ridiculous and bad and everything else. Music hasn't become essentially better or worse. There are trends and there are ages. If you're a genre-oriented type of being, then you're just bound to be disappointed as the swell of popular themes ebbs away from those you find pleasant. But that just displays, to me, a rigidity and inflexibility in your core so that the unhappiness is caused by your flaw, not one in the world at large. While I'm the last to say it's important to follow the way the trends of the world push, I would say that growth requires change and lack of growth in an expanding universe is functionally equivalent to decay. Folks that say things were better in the past are simply lacking adaptability, tolerance, and forward momentum. It's not a personal attack, it's an attack on anything that doesn't look to the future, relish the present, and dwells needlessly on things gone by. Old people... they make young people scream. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 14:49:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: hidden tracks and such (no RH) >Anyway, this method is far prefered over the method of putting material >thirty minutes into the last track as it is more friendly to the RANDOM or >SHUFFLE mode and those of us with changers so that we don't have to wait >half an hour between disc 1 and disc 2. (I won't even begin to tell you >how much the 300,8,n,1 data on track 12 of Information Society's Peace & >Love, Inc. bothers me and ruins any hope of pleasant listening.) You want to talk about ruined listening? Get a copy of Dramarama's terriffic album "Vinyl". First play "Steve Is Here" (track 13, if memory serves) and watch as your counter stays at 0:00 for the duration of the song, while the track numbers count up to 99. Kinda cool, until you throw some other discs in the changer and press "shuffle". Suddenly every other track you hear is a fraction of a second of "Steve is Here". I have a hunch it was the reason my old Magnavox changer stopped working. I'll take 10 minutes of silence over that any day. -rr PS- Food item, for whoever it was that was asking for recipes: peanut butter surprise: place a loaf of bread next to a jar of Jif. Dip a standard kitchen knife as far down into the jar as possible and pull up the biggest gob of peanut butter you can. Glance at the bread as you put the peanut butter directly into your mouth. Have milk handy. Repeat until full or until jar is empty. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .