From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #170 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 170 Sunday July 20 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Derek [useless trivia content] Mollusc question (no RH) Re: a very small introduction Re: a very small introduction Re: Dave Kendall Re: a very small introduction I can't put my finger on it Re: Mollusc question (no RH) Re: Dave Kendall Re: a very small introduction oh yeah... Re: a very small introduction stoopid question Re: a very small introduction Re: me and robyn Re: Welcome Natalie! Re: Welcome Natalie! Re: Top 100 singles of all time Re: Top 100 singles of all time Mojo mag Bob CD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:35:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Derek [useless trivia content] The Great Quail wrote: >Hell, I'm a huge Blind Faith fan, and I only have one of their albums >. . . . and Eb says whatever he wants, and the only Robyn he owns is >a battered cassette of Eye that Susan mailed to him! I resemble that remark. I got Eye on my own. Susan only mails me ginger snaps and argyle socks. Merle Haggis wrote: >I guess you and I are in the same boat, Quail. I'm a HUGE Derek and >the Dominoes fan, yet I have only one of their albums. > >Strange, isn't it? Well, actually there IS a live-in-concert Derek & the Dominos album, you know (also a double record). I haven't heard it, however. Skimming through the database...here are some neat one-shots I have around (some obscure, some not): Jon Hassell & Brian Eno/Fourth World, Vol. 1: Possible Musics David Byrne & Brian Eno/My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Eno & Cale/Wrong Way Up Brian Eno & Jah Wobble/Spinner Passengers/Original Soundtracks I ("Like Eno much, Eb?") Portsmouth Sinfonia/Plays the Popular Classics Robert Quine & Fred Maher/Basic Pieter Nooten & Michael Brook/Sleeps With the Fishes Andy Partridge & Harold Budd/Through The Hill Massacre/Killing Time Quiet Sun/Mainstream [All right, ENOUGH of the EG fraternity...] Thunderclap Newman/Hollywood Dream Tomorrow/Tomorrow Skip Spence/OAR [any Robyn fan should hear this album!!!] Giles, Giles & Fripp/The Cheerful Insanity Of... McDonald & Giles/self-titled The GTO's/Permanent Damage Sebastian Cabot/Sebastian Cabot, Actor; Bob Dylan, Poet The United States of America/self-titled Joe Byrd & the Field Hippies/The American Metaphysical Circus Napoleon XIV/They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa! Dim Stars/Dim Stars The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy/Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury Young Marble Giants/Colossal Youth Reptile/Fame and Fossils Mary Margaret O'Hara/Miss America Bird Nest Roys/Bird Nest Roys Sproton Layer/With Magnetic Fields Disrupted Chris Bell/I Am the Cosmos Look Blue Go Purple/Compilation Sneakers/Racket Bricks/A Microphone and a Box of Dirt Pete Ham/7 Park Avenue [the above five are compilations and perhaps ineligible?] Peter Holsapple & Chris Stamey/Mavericks Brian Wilson & Van Dyke Parks/Orange Crate Art Lou Reed & John Cale/Songs for Drella The Knitters/Poor Little Critter on the Road The Jackofficers/Digital Dump Max Eider/The Best Kisser in the World A.C. Marias/One of Our Girls (Has Gone Missing) Cardinal/self-titled Pianosaurus/Groovy Neighborhood Stump/A Fierce Pancake Bond Bergland/Unearth Jeff Buckley/Grace [sigh] Does Robert Johnson's Complete Recordings count? Further suggestions? Any of the above choices which shouldn't be considered one-shots? (Maybe I missed a release somewhere?) Of the above list, I'd say my favorites are Songs For Drella, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts and the Disposable Heroes album (plus Robert Johnson). Eb ------------------------------ From: dsaunder@islandNet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Mollusc question (no RH) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:21:45 -0800 I'm sure this is some kind of abuse of the list, but since I value your musical opinions so much, I have to ask: Is "The Mollusc" by Ween any good? As a feg I was immediately attracted by the cover art, and I came close to buying it. Daniel Saunders, listening to Highway 61 Revisited for the first time "Good and bad, I defined these terms / Quite clear, no doubt, somehow But I was so much older then / I'm younger than that now." - Bob Dylan "...the sun isn't yellow, it's a chicken!" - Bob Dylan ------------------------------ From: dsaunder@islandNet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Re: a very small introduction Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:21:45 -0800 > Some information: I'm from Ann Arbor, Michigan. I'm 24. I believe I > first heard Robyn when I saw the video for "Raymond Chandler Evening," but > I didn't get interested till "Queen Elvis" came out - the first album of > his that I bought, and a much-maligned one, but dammit, I like it! Aha, here's my chance to advance my Robyn Hitchcock imprinting theory: in my experience, the first few RH albums a person listens to becomes special favourites regardless of quality. For me, Queen Elvis was the second, and it still occupies a special place in several of my internal organs. For a friend, my only 100% complete conversion to date, it was Respect, and while he refuses for some reason to listen to Underwater Moonlight, he borrows Respect from me all the time. Can anyone else confirm this? Daniel Saunders "Good and bad, I defined these terms / Quite clear, no doubt, somehow But I was so much older then, / I'm younger than that now." - Bob Dylan "...the sun isn't yellow, it's a chicken!" - Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: a very small introduction On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Daniel Saunders wrote: > Aha, here's my chance to advance my Robyn Hitchcock imprinting theory: > in my experience, the first few RH albums a person listens to becomes > special favourites regardless of quality. For me, Queen Elvis was the > second, and it still occupies a special place in several of my internal > organs. For a friend, my only 100% complete conversion to date, it was > Respect, and while he refuses for some reason to listen to Underwater > Moonlight, he borrows Respect from me all the time. Can anyone else > confirm this? I seem to remember someone telling Robyn at a show that Globe of Frogs is their favorite album and he said something like "You must be very sentimental about that time in your life, if that's your favourite." (note that Robyn speaks with brit spelling) I find that's largely true. Favorite albums are almost always those associated with favorable circumstances. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:54:36 -0400 From: elwoj of robyndell Subject: Re: Dave Kendall >Dave was a English bloke who was fond of black t-shirts and >funky punk haircuts and dj'd at certain NYC nightclubs both before and after >his MTV days. dave was also the target of much spitting. in the heydeys, there were a few of us who could claim to have done so. i nabbed him at a promotional gig at tramp's that robyn did around the release of _perspex_ for record and radio types -- alas, that part of the evening was not broadcast on mtvnews! ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:32:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: a very small introduction >I find that's largely true. Favorite albums are almost always those >associated with favorable circumstances. Nah, I don't believe that. I can't think of any examples like that from my own collection right now -- in fact, most music that I strongly associate with "circumstances" is BAD music. For instance, there's a whole set of treacly early-'80s tunes (Spandau Ballet's "True," Bonnie Tyler's "Total Eclipse of the Heart," Air Supply's "Making Love Out of Nothing at All," the whole damn Thompson Twins/Into the Gap album...) which I associate with the impromptu dances in my college dorms. Ouch. Or there's another set of late-'70s, icky soft-rock/light disco ("I Like Dreaming," "Undercover Angel," "After the Lovin'," "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?"...) that I associate with the period when I used to go to roller rinks around sixth/seventh grade. Or a few ethereal-girl bands (Joni Mitchell, Downy Mildew, Sundays...) that always make me think of my Great Lost Love. Groan. And Def Leppard always makes me think of another Lost Love. Oof. Pow. Anyway, I disagree. More specifically, I don't have any non-musical sentimentality attached to any of my Robyn albums. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:36:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: I can't put my finger on it >I'm sure this is some kind of abuse of the list, but since I value your >musical opinions so much, I have to ask: Is "The Mollusk" by Ween any >good? As a feg I was immediately attracted by the cover art, and I came >close to buying it. It's pretty good, but I like the previous album Chocolate & Cheese a lot more. The Mollusk isn't twisted enough for me -- some of the songwriting/arranging is really fairly straightforward beneath the vocal processing and production tricks. I didn't laugh, groan and giggle nearly as much as when hearing earlier Ween albums, though the title track "The Mollusk" is hysterically sappy to me. :) Eb ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mollusc question (no RH) > I'm sure this is some kind of abuse of the list, but since I value your > musical opinions so much, I have to ask: Is "The Mollusc" by Ween any > good? As a feg I was immediately attracted by the cover art, and I came > close to buying it. > Like They Migh tBe Giants, Ween has matured musically. In other words, they are no longer the endearing crap that they were, but now a semi-skilled rock band. I rate the mollusc at 50/50. It has some really good songs (Cold blows the wind) and some unlistenable ones (Blarney Stone). If you like Ween, get it. If not, well...I'd compare it to You and Oblivion (the album). A fair share of good stuff, but you've got to be willing to put up with the artists idiosyncracies to really enjoy it. Ps. I now think that Captain Dry is a really cool song. pps. Woohoo! I got a copy of Head on video! Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dave Kendall Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 17:16:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark "regmaniax" On 7/18/97 3:54 PM, elwoj of robyndell stated emphatically: >>Dave was a English bloke who was fond of black t-shirts and >>funky punk haircuts and dj'd at certain NYC nightclubs both before and after >>his MTV days. > >dave was also the target of much spitting. in the heydeys, there were a few >of us who could claim to have done so. i nabbed him at a promotional gig at >tramp's that robyn did around the release of _perspex_ for record and radio >types -- alas, that part of the evening was not broadcast on mtvnews! ;) I met him at Lollapalooza '92. My friend the Ministry fanatic was yelling at Dave regarding the poor sound quality and lack of a decent mosh pit. Of course none of it was in any way Dave's fault, but he still came across as a corporate knob in punk regalia. on a side note: that was the afternoon that the "you're getting too old to smoke pot" switch was thrown in my head. Something about Ministry pounding through my chest at 110db, I felt like was gonna have a coronaryŠ Oh well, I may be a lot more tense now, but I've saved at least US$2,225.00! cheery weekend, -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:31:41 -0400 From: elwoj of robyndell Subject: Re: a very small introduction also sprach Eb: >Anyway, I disagree. More specifically, I don't have any non-musical >sentimentality attached to any of my Robyn albums. no sentimentiality, but some very specific memories. for instance, whenever i listen to _groovy decoy_, i am reminded instantly of the parking lot of some nondescript family restaurant on the western end of cape cod where i listened to the record for the first time. _eye_ evokes memories of the amiga in the audio room of the tv station i used to work at. etc. etc. etc. +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:32:40 -0400 From: elwoj of robyndell Subject: oh yeah... ...so has anyone been able to make any of the 12 bar gigs? any tapes of either them or the boat race show? +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:34:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: a very small introduction On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Daniel Saunders wrote: > Aha, here's my chance to advance my Robyn Hitchcock imprinting theory: > in my experience, the first few RH albums a person listens to becomes > special favourites regardless of quality. Au contraire, mon frere. Not so, bro. The first albums I acquired were Invisible Hitchcock and Black Snake Diamond Role (I am not counting the false start of middle school where some review or other induced me to purchase "fegmania", which was listened to a couple times and forgotten in a drawer), and while I certainly did like those quite enough to start wanting to acquire more, they hardly occupy a special place in my heart per se. It's been months since I've listened to BSDR. "Eye", on the contrary, I think was the TENTH robyn album I heard (that's counting the SBs stuff), and since I've been pretty clear how I feel about that particular work I will say no more. Note to Eb- be sure to write your name on those ginger snaps so the other kids at camp don't steal them. Love on ya, Susan a huge Buddy Holly fan who owns only one of his albums ;) P.S. Don't buy Ween's recordings. It only encourages them to go make more. ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: misplaced joan of arc Subject: stoopid question A while ago, everyone was on a Katrina and the Waves topic. This Katrina, she doesn't happen to be the Katrina Phillips, who sings with Terry Hall on the Colourfield song "Thinking of You," does she? Anyone know that song and/or that band? It's on a beautiful album called _Virgins and Philistines_. My recommendations, if you haven't got it. An oldie but real goodie. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:01:58 From: Greg Landry Subject: Re: a very small introduction >> Aha, here's my chance to advance my Robyn Hitchcock imprinting theory: >> in my experience, the first few RH albums a person listens to becomes >> special favourites regardless of quality. >I seem to remember someone telling Robyn at a show that Globe of Frogs is >their favorite album and he said something like "You must be very >sentimental about that time in your life, if that's your favourite." (note >that Robyn speaks with brit spelling) > >I find that's largely true. Favorite albums are almost always those >associated with favorable circumstances. I seem to remember reading back in the 80s that one or more members of REM stated that "Fables of the Reconstruction/ Reconstruction of the Fables" was their worst/ an awful album. It may not have been what they were shooting for, however it worked for me. I love it. I have great respect for an artists opinion of his or her own work, however it does not always speak for persons beyond the artist. I am also a GoF fan, and to Robyn's statement quoted above, I would politely respond . . . "that time continues". GL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I awoke this morning on the ocean, salt was on my tongue and in my hair SeAsHeLLs 4 haLLiE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: me and robyn On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Capuchin wrote: > Wow. You live IN the capitol? Do you sleep in the Senate chambers? i sit duly corrected chastened etc. - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard about 14 years ago some twit on a bbs flamed me for explaining my name, so i'll keep this short and sweet, and post it on the weekend. eddie asked: > bayard, are you saying your name is actually pronounced baird? _ ~ . . one dictionary lists it as Ba'erd (or French Ba'yar'). the a with a line over it is of course a long a as in ALE, the e with a tilde over it is as in makEr, and the a with a dot on top is as in ASK. To my surprise the definition is "a gentleman of high honor and courage, in allusion to _le chevalier sans peur et sans reproche_." And whether I live up to that, I leave to your judgement. smilin' miles said: > course Bayard and I are both on record as Friends of DecAy. Amen, brother. =b np: robyn bob & albert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 07:57:03 +0300 From: Noah Shalev CC: "Fegmaniax!" , The Great Quail Subject: Re: Welcome Natalie! Merle Haggis wrote: > > On 18 Jul 97 at 10:44, The Great Quail wrote: > > > Hell, I'm a huge Blind Faith fan, and I only > > have one of their albums. . . . > > I guess you and I are in the same boat, Quail. I'm a HUGE Derek and > the Dominoes fan, yet I have only one of their albums. > > Strange, isn't it? hi what a coincident. i have only one Blind faith record too. (but i've got 2 copies of it with a completely defrenet cover- now thats being a huge fan). but now i come to the main thing. i'm an extra huge fan of Derek & the Dominoes, yet i've got only TWO of their records - 'Layla' and 'In Concert' now that's what I call strnge noe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 02:09:27 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: Welcome Natalie! On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Noah Shalev wrote: > Merle Haggis wrote: > > > fan). but now i come to the main thing. i'm an extra huge fan of Derek & > the Dominoes, yet i've got only TWO of their records - 'Layla' and 'In > Concert' > > now that's what I call strnge You should get 'The Layla Sessions' and 'Live at the Fillmore' (which has 'In Concert' plus some other tracks). JL, who also says "Hi, Natalie - How the devil are you?" -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 17:36:05 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Top 100 singles of all time On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Eb wrote: [re: the voting panel for the top 100] > >T-Bone Burnett, Ray Davies, Chris Difford, Noel Gallagher, RH, Trevor > >Horn, Chrissie Hynde, Jeff Lynne, Vanessa Mae, > >Curtis Mayfield, Ian McCulloch, Roger McGuinn, Joey Ramone, Lou Reed, Todd > >Rundgren, Don Was, Brian Wilson. > > You know, that doesn't seem like a diverse enough panel to me. I mean, look > at all the Beatle worshippers. Fifties rock & roll isn't really > represented, for one thing. Couldn't agree more. Was '96 Tears' in there? Or Jimmy Reed's "Bright Lights Big City"? "Another Girl Another Planet"? "Pushing Too Hard" by the Seeds? "Wipe Out?" "Neat Neat Neat"? I know there are some Brian Wilson fans out there, so I'll say nothing about 'Good Vibrations', but 'Bohemian Rhapsody' really is seriously the pits. I thought the idea of a single was that you put it on the jukebox and tried to ride around the block before it had stopped playing. With some of those records, you could ride down to the supermarket, buy some Grolsch, queue in the "8 items or fewer" line, ride back and the damn thing would still be going. Mama mia mama mia let me go! - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:38:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Top 100 singles of all time On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > I know there are some Brian Wilson fans out there, so I'll say nothing > about 'Good Vibrations', but 'Bohemian Rhapsody' really is seriously the > pits. > Normally I find these discussion unproductive, but I couldn't let this comment pass (especially since this is all non-RH, but anyway.....). I'd be interested to know why you think "BR" is "the pits?" It's quirky, innovative, different, interesting, contains a somewhat diverse collection of chords and perhaps meters (I'm not so good on that one!) and is certainly an insightful look into the mind of a criminal who suddenly realizes what it means to be alive and to face death. All of this is packed into a neat little package that appeals to a wide age-range. For instance, my mother is 56 and loves it. I've loved it since it first came out--I forget what year that was but I'm pretty sure I was in high school. I know high school kids today still like it, whether or not they've seen _Wayne's World_. A good single doesn't have to be one that you can bop to or that lacks any meaning for the listener. A lot of songs on the list probably evoke memories and emotions in the voters that none of us know about, hence the omission of songs we'd all put on the list. There isn't much of an age-range among the voters, which must account for the number of songs from the 60s and 70s. I don't have the list and can't remember what was on it, but I would have included "Good Mornin' Judge" by 10CC, "Lady" or "Cool Change" by Little River Band, and "In the Air Tonight" by Phil Collins, none of which I remember seeing (though they might be there and I forgot!). It's all subjective and whether or not you're a famous musician or producer or are merely a working class stiff who scrimps and saves to buy an overpriced CD, hardly any 2 people will have the same songs on their lists. But not to like "BR," I can't understand....!! :) Marcy ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:47:05 -0400 Subject: Mojo mag Is there a web site for Mojo, so we can see the complete list of 100 songs? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:10:56 -0700 From: Ferris Subject: Bob CD The CD came out a while ago. Yeah, it costs that much, but it's an import. Don't know if it's limited edition or not. I haven't got it, but I've listened to it and the quality isn't 100%. Oddly enough they seem to have just digitized the flexis, and didn't bother to go to the source tapes for at least some of the tracks. How can you tell? It's replete with pops and hisses. Robyn's track is the same version as is on Live Death, with the only exception being the Live Death version is about 300% clearer sounding than the Bob CD. It's a shame, too. The CD had some excellent potential. Take care! -ferris. -- "Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." -Don Corleone ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .