From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #139 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 139 Friday June 20 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- RE: Looking for good music (psychedelic) First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! firsts...sorry...some rh content... Re: First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! re: first records... Re: Looking for good music Re: First album, Dolls Re: first album bought w/ own $ (O%RH):Godley & Creme Tape Trees (0%RH): Psyche! Re: Tape Trees Feg Digest V5 #138 pronouncing "Thoth" Is it phone sex...or Cone Six? Re: First album, Dolls Thoth info (slightly long) Quasispinbaughderision Re: First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! Re: Thoth tangent (no Hitchcon) Lady Waters and my first Hooded Albums Sections... Dierdre Got the Boot Re: First Album Purchased Re: Deirdre Got the Boot Re: first album bought with own money Re: first album bought with own money Re: first album bought with own money Re: Albums, Kinks, Kinks Albums Re: Thoth tangent (no Hitchcon) ------------------------------ From: Jeff Vaska Subject: RE: Looking for good music (psychedelic) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:55:36 -0700 Yoy, I'm no expert but try checking out the Jonathan Fire Eater's or the Brian Jonestown Massacre. Both of these groups never left the 60's eventhough they probably were born in the 70's. It can be very difficult to find these bands records, but they are certainly worth a listen for those searching for neo-psychedelia...jv Jeffery Vaska, Graphic Designer @ Cultured Design/A.C.E. P: 206.216.0786 F: 206.216.0787 E: jvaska@cultural.org ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 17:00:05 EDT Subject: First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! OK, I'll play (even though we did this a couple of years ago). Burnt Weenie Sandwich, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention I presume we're posting because the choices are notable for their awfulness or some other charactistic. How many of you-all can say you still listen to your first buy? I was about 14. I still have it, and I'm 41! Aside to Terry: It should be obvious enough what makes a band important. Either they sold huge numbers of recordings and/or touched the lives of many deeply with their music and/or greatly influenced music subsequently released by other artists, "important" and otherwise. That also answers your "Who are the Beatles and why are they so famous" question. The did all of that. Bands today just won't be important in the same way unless we see a change in our culture. In the days when the Beatles had such an impact, music was a focal point of youth. Now it seems to be an accessory. I feel this change started with Disco -- "It's great to dance to, but at home I listen to Christopher Cross". This period in my life was made bearable by the likes of the now widely dissed Yes and Gentle Giant, as well as King Crimson and some others who had not given up (Neil Young, Townshend/Who). Most of this stuff didn't make it to the airwaves, just like most of the stuff I'm listening to now, or discovering through this list. >From what I understand of raves, it's the same sort of thing. The event is what people want, and the music is just an accessory. There are still people who are moved by music, but it's not JQ Public anymore. Bands who offer something interesting (and would have stood a very small chance of getting some air years ago) now get stuck in a separate section of the CD store and an hour or two of airtime in some "alternative" show. The punk thing that followed brought some welcome change, but could also be accused of further fragmenting pop/rock. The Sex Pistols may have been new, but so were Kiss, and to me they just seemed like different angles on the same thing -- a band built around a concept that was not their own, but that of agents, managers and publicists. The New York Dolls were another band who just seemed like Hollywood to me (yeah, I know they were NYC). Just look at Buster Poindexter now. Still hollywood. The punk thing did evolve into something worthwhile, but the first whiffs of it smelled strongly of marketing to me. Sure, this is an oversimplification, but how wrong is it, really? I've spewed again. Enough for now. -- Ross Overbury - Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:18:25 -0700 Subject: firsts...sorry...some rh content... Album purchased: Banana Splits (probably the first copy in Reno). 45: Donovan's "Atlantis" 8-track: a collection of Souza Marches, which my dad gave me, hoping that it would make me want to join the navy. I grew up to look like a hippy instead, but I think Zappa would have liked me anyway (or hated me less than he hated many folx, but what do I know, he's dead and is being eaten by maggots which go nibble nibble nibble, which must've been a shock if he wasn't really dead...[this last bit was stolen]) I can't actually remember purchasing an 8-track, but I must have. First kiss: a pair of twins when I was six. First Comedy abum of my own: Monty Python live at City Center. I miss it. First wine: Boone's Farm (this is also the last full bottle of wine I drank) Concert (non local reno band): Day on the green, oakland, with hundreds of sunbaked bands with billions of barfing fans. Well it could have been a yes concert in oakland, but either way, I've blocked them pretty much successfully out of memory. I used to see shows at the hotels in reno with my parents that ranged from Anthony Newley to Ed Ames, but I generally went for the dinner and dessert more than the flat vocals and uh, muzik. I really enjoyed Trini Lopez and Donald O'connor sang to me in the front row "Look at that Face"...(this was before the notorious iron-on transfer incident that is "destined to take the place of the big rubber shark in your mythology," but I digress tangentially with velocity and amplitude and... stuff) that's about all I remember, but, well, I'll spare you the story about my brain 'cause you've heard it too many times already. First Robyn Hitchcock CD: Globe of Frogs (I don't think there are any WRONG answers here) I like the idea that I might be a fiend. It sounds so scary. -Markg WARNING: rambling follows, please do not read as it is more of mark's insufferable self-absorbed-yet-sekf-effacing babbling. I warned you. You really can stop now. FYI- I realized some of the reason I had trouble with Nick's iron-on shirt applique. I used the _waffle_ iron. It would help the unfortunate of cognitive materiale if there was a warning sticker somewhere on the transfer that said: "Hey, STUPID! Yea, YOU! Don't use a Waffle Iron and don't apply this thing to your head!" I realize that anyone less intellectually blessed than marky-two-cells-dummer-than-a-digel, is probably still in their gelatinous state and has no need of a t-shirt or an iron or waffles or cd's and probably doesn't like Robyn Hitchcock anyway. There you go. You've read it. Geez. Golly even. At least I resisted a cheap wafflehead joke. I typed that last paragraph in one breath and I'm kinda blue now. "slide show boring, losing conciousness"-the Tick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:32:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Ross Overbury wrote: > I presume we're posting because the choices are notable for their > awfulness or some other charactistic. How many of you-all can say > you still listen to your first buy? I'm actually listening to one of my first buys as I write. "Desperate, but not serious/Your kisses drive me/Delirious"! OW! Actually I think I probably appreciate Mr. Ant's campy chutzpah more than I did at the age of 11. I know I catch a lot more of the innuendo, anyway, which helps considerably :). As some of you know, I am of the opinion that Adam Ant's place in pop history is ripe for re-evaluation. > anymore. Bands who offer something interesting (and would have stood > a very small chance of getting some air years ago) now get stuck in > a separate section of the CD store and an hour or two of airtime in > some "alternative" show. When was this golden age of which you speak? Grand Funk Railroad and the Steve Miller Band were far always more popular than Roxy Music, if you catch my drift. Basically, as I see it the vast majority of people just -like- boringness. This has always been true and always will be true. No use pissing and moaning about it :). > The punk thing that followed brought some welcome change, but > could also be accused of further fragmenting pop/rock. I'd have to argue here too. It's ALWAYS been fragmented. Perhaps punk highlighted this. But even in the Beatle era you had people who stuck to their Gene Vincent and Chuck Berry LPs, people who preferred greasy-haired nasal-voiced people named Bobby and their ilk, people who loved Sinatra, etc. > Sex Pistols may have been new, but so were Kiss, and to me they > just seemed like different angles on the same thing -- a band > built around a concept that was not their own, but that of agents, > managers and publicists. Read "Rotten" and then consider this statement. You might well still agree with it, of course, but I know that Lydon sure convinced -me- he wasn't a puppet. He makes a fairly persuasive case. > Just look at Buster Poindexter now. Still hollywood. The punk > thing did evolve into something worthwhile, but the first whiffs > of it smelled strongly of marketing to me. Depends also what you consider the first whiffs of it. I'm with you all the way on the Dolls. But consider some of punk's precursors (or, actually, the first punk records to my way of thinking). Was "Raw Power" the brainchild of agents, managers, and publicists? Were the MC5? The Sonics? Johnathan Richman and the Modern Lovers? > I've spewed again. Enough for now. Me too! Uh oh! :) I'd better quit while I'm behind! Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:18:35 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: re: first records... On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:55 Jeff Vaska admitted > Ok, pathetic and true... > > 1 - KISS Alive II - with my own money > 2 - Fela Anikulapo Kuti - a few years later, again with my own money I'd be *so* proud if even the second record I bought had been by Fela Kuti - it took me many many years to discover that stuff. Mind you, "Kiss Alive II" does rather cancel the effect... Here's mine: First album (used) I bought with my own money: Pink Floyd - Meddle (Yeah but #2 was Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Tarkus) First NEW album I bought with my own money: Strawbs - Grave New World In case you were wondering I played these on a "record player" (The luxury of steerio (sic - for LSD) was still several years away in our household). ~N ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:33:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Looking for good music >And...was Rain Parade important? >Will Viva Saturn or the High Llamas be? Terrence, you suuuure do spend a lot of time thinking about the Rain Parade. Sheesh, get over it. ;P Viva Saturn, the Rain Parade and the High Llamas won't ever be important in the overall "History of Pop Music" sense, no. They're far too derivative, and INTENTIONALLY so. I just got a copy of the High Llamas' Hawaii (which is finally being issued in the States by V-2, if you don't know). It's kinda cute. I'm even going to keep it around, and allow it to stave off my notoriously ruthless CD-weeding attacks. But the group is still pure necrophilia -- just a clinical, slightly fey juggling of a bunch of Brian Wilson motifs. True, I haven't heard Gideon Gaye, which I've gathered is the better album of the two. But I wouldn't expect my view to change after hearing that disc either. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:24:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: First album, Dolls Ross wrote: >OK, I'll play (even though we did this a couple of years ago). >Burnt Weenie Sandwich, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention Woo! First album? You rock! ;) >Bands today just won't be important in the same way unless we see a >change in our culture. In the days when the Beatles had such an >impact, music was a focal point of youth. Now it seems to be an >accessory. This sounds like pure old-folks talk to me, sorry. If you've gone to Hole or Oasis or Smashing Pumpkins concerts (etc.) and seen teenagers with stars in their eyes silently mouthing every lyric the singer wails onstage, you might think differently. Music is just as important to kids as ever. >The New York Dolls were another band >who just seemed like Hollywood to me. Yeah, I agree here. It seems to me like some "seminal" bands are respected because they were great AND "first" (Velvet Underground, Can), while others are respected only because they were "first" (Suicide, NY Dolls, Modern Lovers). The "great" part gets the benefit of the doubt. Just my view. As for this "firsts" thread, please beware. If the thing starts expanding to every category like "First Concert," "First 45," "First Punk Record," "First CD," etc., the results can be horrifyingly tedious, indulgent and unending. Take it from me -- I've seen this happen on a couple of other lists. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:32:28 -0500 From: Hal Brandt Subject: Re: first album bought w/ own $ 1st w/ own $: First singles (bought at the same time): I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight-Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart Itchycoo Park- Small Faces First LP: Songs, Pictures and Stories of the Fabulous Beatles! (V-J label! I still have it!) First Concert (not w/ own $): America and Eric Carmen at St. John Arena in Columbus, O. ( Whatever year "All By Myself" was a hit... '74-5 maybe? My older sister dragged me to this one. ) hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:42:06 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: The Hormone Squad Subject: (O%RH):Godley & Creme Ken Ostrander wrote: > > >have you ever listened to any Godley & Creme? > didn't they do that song "you make me wanna cry"? wild video with > the faces melting together. The video for "Cry" by G&K was the first ever appearance of the process known as "morphing"...years before Terminator 2 or MJ(The King Of Poop)'s "Black & White" video (which plagiarised "Cry", IMHO). hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:12:29 -0700 From: The Master Bison Subject: Tape Trees Fegs! Alright. I've been sleeping. How bad can a year be when I can see the man himself on two coasts (at 4 excellent gigs), meet him, and actually have the pictures come out? And it's only June. Is there a tape tree for Viva SeaTac I missed out on? And is there one for the Backstage show the Saturday before? I was there (excellent show!) and someone was VIDEOTAPING it with one of the minicams right in the front row. I've got shows/photos (new ones, woj) to trade. . . Hope all's well with everyone! email me! -ferris. -- ___________________________________________ Watch out all you Spacecats: Dolby = Satan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:05:34 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: The Hormone Squad Subject: (0%RH): Psyche! Terrence M Marks wrote: > I mean, apart from The Monkees and Pink > Floyd, most psychedelic music isn't that really psychedelic... Experimenting with something mind-altering and listening to The Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows", Hendrix's "Electric Ladyland" or Grateful Dead's live "Blues For Allah" from "One >From The Vault" (8.13.75 for you tapers!) while looking at some Robt. Williams paintings will provide another interesting perspective on psychedelia. hal (who doesn't do that stuff anymore) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:35:34 -0700 From: Jeff Barlow Subject: Re: Tape Trees Ferris wrote: >Is there a tape tree for Viva SeaTac I missed out on? Yes, please! There was much talk about this last weekend, including someone that had a tape, but so far no word of a tree! I would absolutely love to have this show on tape, it was by far the best show I've ever seen. I'll even branch! >And is there one for the Backstage show the Saturday before? I was >there (excellent show!) and someone was VIDEOTAPING it with one of the >minicams right in the front row. I was right next to the kid; he was at extreme stage left and managed to tape everything until the encores, when a very pissed looking Robyn sent his roadie to confiscate the tape. I don't know what ever became of the tape. Jeff |----Trampled Underground: The Led Zeppelin Discography---- |Jeff Barlow |jsbarlow@aa.net |================= http://www.aa.net/~jsbarlow ============ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:51:19 -0700 From: "John Chandler [Contractor]" Subject: Feg Digest V5 #138 Russ Reynolds writes: || > Thoth is an Egyptian god with the head of an ibis. Strictly || > speaking his name should rhyme with "both", not "Goth", || || "tote" (like "toast" without the 's') is another acceptable pronunciation. || So maybe we should consider making fegMANIAX Thoth bags. || Um, this word was presumably *transliterated* from Egyptian(?), wasn't it? By someone who had at least a functional knowledge of English phonetics? So if it's not pronounced "Thoth," why is it spelled "Thoth?" Second (er, fifth) question -- does the word come from a living language? If so, how do native speakers say it, and if not, then aren't we *all* twirling our fingers in cans of baked beans? -jmc (and Cardinal Fang) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 17:42:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: pronouncing "Thoth" >Russ Reynolds writes: >|| > Thoth is an Egyptian god with the head of an ibis. Strictly >|| > speaking his name should rhyme with "both", not "Goth", >|| >|| "tote" (like "toast" without the 's') is another acceptable >pronunciation. >|| So maybe we should consider making fegMANIAX Thoth bags. >|| > >Um, this word was presumably *transliterated* from Egyptian(?), wasn't >it? By someone who had at least a functional knowledge of English >phonetics? So if it's not pronounced "Thoth," why is it spelled >"Thoth?" Could be for the same reason "Thomas" isn't pronounced "Thomas". Alls I know is what the dictionary tells me. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:24:23 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Is it phone sex...or Cone Six? Sorry for the teaser subject...man, you guys opened this email quick! We've just opened a new room in the VCM and a fab new feg cone is now available for your viewing pleasure. Brought to you by lj lindhurst in all it's dayglo orange glory. I call this one "Only The Nose Remains"... Mike Runion on Empty N.P. Michelle Shocked's original homemade version of Kind Hearted Woman (only sold at shows a few years back). Wonderous album in any version. Anyone else a MS fan? Mike "C Spot" Runion, Cocoa, FL email: mrrunion@tng.net WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm ************ Visit the Virtual Cone Museum! ************** * http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm * ********************************************************** "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 22:02:43 EDT Subject: Re: First album, Dolls Eb the newbie wrote: > > Ross wrote: > >Bands today just won't be important in the same way unless we see a > >change in our culture. In the days when the Beatles had such an > >impact, music was a focal point of youth. Now it seems to be an > >accessory. > > This sounds like pure old-folks talk to me, sorry. If you've gone to Hole > or Oasis or Smashing Pumpkins concerts (etc.) and seen teenagers with stars > in their eyes silently mouthing every lyric the singer wails onstage, you > might think differently. Music is just as important to kids as ever. So Quail left me out of his epic, but Eb has dealt me a personal insult. Groovy! I picked up that concept from some musician or media type (I'm old and can't remember which) a few years ago. It really resonated with me. I'll agree it was an oversimplification; you were warned. I still think there's something to this idea. The '40s were all about Hollywood. Musicians were minor players by comparison in western culture. The 50's and Elvis arrived and the Colonel reasoned that if he's that popular, he ought to be making movies like real stars. The Beatles toured with a grossly underequipped stage setup, not because stadium sized P/A was not possible, but because nobody had was ready for this sort of thing yet. It boomed, and everybody was suddenly watching the musicians. Hollywood was now the minor influence compared to pop music. Musicians can still be popular and influential, but why hasn't there been something as big as the Beatles in the 25 years since they broke up? The gap from the Elvis to the Beatles is not nearly so big. Is the possibility still there? Of course that doesn't mean nobody is into pop/rock music anymore. Why are we on this list? > As for this "firsts" thread, please beware. If the thing starts expanding > to every category like "First Concert," "First 45," "First Punk Record," > "First CD," etc., the results can be horrifyingly tedious, indulgent and > unending. Take it from me -- I've seen this happen on a couple of other > lists. ;) Yup. > > Eb > > -- Ross Overbury - youger than Robyn but rather more like the potato Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:15:14 -0400 From: Scary Mary Subject: Thoth info (slightly long) Here's some more info about Thoth (taken from the book "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets"). "The 'Book of Thoth' was a famous legendary work supposed to reveal the secrets of manipulating matter by verbal charms. Like Hermes and other manifestation of the Wise Serpent, Thoth owed his powers to his former close association with the Great Mother. He was lunar in nature, rather than solar. When he ascended to heaven, he became the guardian of the Moon gates." Bayard - According to the book "Dictionary of Word Origins" the word "thought" comes from a "prehistoric Germanic noun 'gathangkht,' which was formed from the same base as produced English 'think.'" Mary "It's a bat, it's a bat, it's a bat, it's a girl" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:42:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Quasispinbaughderision Regarding some of the recent posts concerning "misachievement" I believe all the postings, whether I agreed with them or not, should continue. We are a diverse group, made up mostly of humans, who's life styles, sexual preference, morals, ethics and even favorite british comedies differ. But there is of course one thing we all like -- cannabis, and we should never, ever forget this thing that binds us all together. A few of us even like to listen to some of the same music. I enjoy listening to the heckling and sometimes under- handed comments and have been known to make a few myself. It is good for the mind, and the circulation. Those of you who complain about the high number of posts to this list, should sign off, get a new provider, get a new job, get another job, lactate, participate in some type of religion, get a new girlfriend(if you are a lesbian or heterosexual), or just listen to the orbits decay, cause ya know, they all do. "And there's another world they can't ever touch, just meet a fallen girl, and it won't cost you much. And if your luck is in you might have kids that play, they'll make you laugh and sing when your old and gray" - Pete Townsend Regards, Gregory S. Shell ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 22:38:41 EDT Subject: Re: First album, Terry's problem, Dolls - LONG! Susan rikala: > > "Desperate, but not serious/Your kisses drive me/Delirious"! OW! Actually > I think I probably appreciate Mr. Ant's campy chutzpah more than I did at > the age of 11. > As some of you know, I am of the opinion that Adam Ant's place in pop > history is ripe for re-evaluation. I enjoyed some of Adam's stuff. He was another Maclaren creation, though, wasn't he? Did he or Mal think up the indian thing? > > > anymore. Bands who offer something interesting (and would have stood > > a very small chance of getting some air years ago) now get stuck in > > a separate section of the CD store and an hour or two of airtime in > > some "alternative" show. > > When was this golden age of which you speak? Grand Funk Railroad and the > Steve Miller Band were far always more popular than Roxy Music, if you > catch my drift. Basically, as I see it the vast majority of people just > -like- boringness. This has always been true and always will be true. No > use pissing and moaning about it :). You're not gonna like this, but it took me a long time to get past Brian Ferry's schtick to the music. It did happen eventually. There was no golden age, just a time when the industry was so confused by its own popularity they didn't know what to do to control it. I can say that at least where I live FM radio started out around 1970 sounding very much like today's campus radio stations. DJs ruled; they chose music as if they were entertaining friends, and they experimented often with the medium. Now the FM station here sounds like their AM sister station sounded in '70. The AM station has gone to the Devil's Radio format. > > > The punk thing that followed brought some welcome change, but > > could also be accused of further fragmenting pop/rock. > > I'd have to argue here too. It's ALWAYS been fragmented. Perhaps punk > highlighted this. But even in the Beatle era you had people who stuck to > their Gene Vincent and Chuck Berry LPs, people who preferred greasy-haired > nasal-voiced people named Bobby and their ilk, people who loved > Sinatra, etc. Gene, Chuck, the Bobbies and the Who would all have been found in the same rack at one time. Today I walk into the CD store near my office and I see a Metal section, a Rock section, a Rap section, an Alternative section and a Dance/Trance section. Tell me that's the same as it ever was. It's a matter of degree, though; there was in the past the soul/rock barrier that served neither side particularly well. > > > Sex Pistols may have been new, but so were Kiss, and to me they > > just seemed like different angles on the same thing -- a band > > built around a concept that was not their own, but that of agents, > > managers and publicists. > > Read "Rotten" and then consider this statement. You might well still agree > with it, of course, but I know that Lydon sure convinced -me- he wasn't a > puppet. He makes a fairly persuasive case. Lydon went on to produce what I'm told is worthwhile material. I believe it. What do you think about what he did with the Pistols? Was that Lydon, or Rotten the Maclaren creation? The point still stands. > > > Just look at Buster Poindexter now. Still hollywood. The punk > > thing did evolve into something worthwhile, but the first whiffs > > of it smelled strongly of marketing to me. > > Depends also what you consider the first whiffs of it. I'm with you all > the way on the Dolls. But consider some of punk's precursors (or, > actually, the first punk records to my way of thinking). Was "Raw > Power" the brainchild of agents, managers, and publicists? Were the MC5? > The Sonics? Johnathan Richman and the Modern Lovers? I plead ignorance to "Raw Power" and the Sonics. Richman was later. The MC5 were not part of the publicised punk phenomenon. Then again, Costello had plenty of substance behind the showbiz persona. An oversimplification, as I said. It was a posting to a mail list, not a book! -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:11:52 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: Thoth tangent (no Hitchcon) On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Scary Mary wrote: > Like Hermes and other manifestation of the Wise Serpent, Thoth owed > his powers to his former close association with the Great Mother. I know nothing about Thoth, but Hermes traveled in the sky (the Sky being Zeus the father) which would keep him away from Mother Earth (Gaia). That kind of goes against the above statement. > Bayard - According to the book "Dictionary of Word Origins" > the word "thought" comes from a "prehistoric Germanic noun > 'gathangkht,' which was formed from the same base as produced > English 'think.'" That sounds reasonable. But how can these people know something which existed before recorded history; unlike with the dinosaus, no fossil evidence is possible with words. Was that just an educated guess on their part? If so, how did they go about finding this out? JL, sincerely interested for a change -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:29:14 +0700 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Lady Waters and my first Hooded Albums >All four songs are brilliant, and in my opinion better than >some of the more forgettable songs on EoL proper. Does anyone else find >Lady Waters a drag to sit through? I respect your right to an opinion. I do not respect the opinion. I love that song! Then again, I listen to it with an ear for the Thompson-ness of it, the Fairport or Steeleye approach. The only thing wrong with it is the instrumentation. Robyn and some folkies between them would have come up with something even better, IMHO. Similarly, I listen to "The Black Crow Knows" with a Jethro Tull fan's ear (borrowed when he wasn't looking). First album with own money? Lost in the mists of time, but most likely one of the following: "Sounds of Silence" (Simon & Garfunkel); Crisis? What Crisis? (Supertramp); Abba - the Album (Abba); City to City (Gerry Rafferty); Black Sea (XTC) - all bought in my early-to-mid-teens. Probably one of the first two, before the others came out. >Please don't cringe, but I began my musical life buying pseudo-country singles like "I Love A Rainy Night" (Eddie Rabbit) hey, I used to like that one, too (and "driving my life away") so no cringing necessary James (still waiting for Eddie to remind me what my favourite films are...:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:52:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Sections... Ross wrote: >Today I walk into the CD store near my >office and I see a Metal section, a Rock section, a Rap section, an >Alternative section and a Dance/Trance section. Tell me that's the same >as it ever was. It's a matter of degree, though; there was in the >past the soul/rock barrier that served neither side particularly well. I don't know of any stores in my area which separate out "Alternative" and "Metal" albums from "Pop/Rock." And while ambient/techno (or "Trance") often gets its own section, I've never seen "Dance" music separated out either. Anyway, I don't really see what's wrong with having separate sections for different types of music. All that means is that pop music is more diverse than it used to be. Is that so bad? Eb, whose Gospel of Diversity is well-known around these parts (heh) ------------------------------ From: SydneyC33@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dierdre Got the Boot Bayard writes: << "I am Star Trek." -RH, Dierdre O'Donoghue interview, 1989 >> OK, Fegs (LA denizens, especially), here's an obscure question and it may be a long shot, but... I lived in LA a few years back, and Deirdre O'Donoghue hosted a Sunday morning show, "Brunch with the Beatles" on KMET. I *never* missed that show...except the time I *should* have been listening. Apparently she said something SO rude and SO offensive that she was sacked on the spot and the station was playing an apology for a couple of weeks. Not too long afterwards, Dierdre showed up on KLOS with "Breakfast with the Beatles." (I could have my stations/show names crossed, but you get the gist.) She was pretty cool and had quite the following, so one might view her dismissal as a questionable business decision. Does anyone know what happened? What exactly did she say? Long been curious about that one... Sydney ------------------------------ Subject: Re: First Album Purchased Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 00:26:38 -0500 From: Della & Steve Schiavo >(any Dallas, TX natives present remember a store called the Melody Shop? > :)). In ages past, they had a store across the street from SMU. It had little pegboard cubicles with built-in turntables so you could listen to the 45s. They later had a store at North Park Mall (yes, Susan?) that also sold musical instruments. Their record prices were high. I'm pretty sure that the first LP I bought for myself was "After Bathing At Baxter's" by Jefferson Airplane. I know that the first 8-Track was "Blind Faith". That was in Brownwood, Texas, where they filed Jethro Tull in the "Male Vocalist" section. - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:15:41 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Deirdre Got the Boot >I lived in LA a few years back, and Deirdre O'Donoghue hosted a Sunday >morning show, "Brunch with the Beatles" on KMET. I *never* missed that >show...except the time I *should* have been listening. Apparently she said >something SO rude and SO offensive that she was sacked on the spot and the >station was playing an apology for a couple of weeks. Not too long >afterwards, Dierdre showed up on KLOS with "Breakfast with the Beatles." (I >could have my stations/show names crossed, but you get the gist.) She was >pretty cool and had quite the following, so one might view her dismissal as a >questionable business decision. I believe that Deirdre now does the exact same thing Sunday mornings on KLSX (97.1). She introduced me to some bands over the years (well, mainly when she was on KCRW playing new music), but her relentlessly gushy, kiss-ass demeanor gets pretty aggravating over time. I don't know what her controversial comment was, however. Eb, who discovered Hugo Largo, Victoria Williams, Danielle Dax and This Mortal Coil via Deirdre.... ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: first album bought with own money LP: Sesame Street Fever. 1978 or 9. CS: 3-way tie: thompson twins _into the gap,_ duran duran _rio,_ and something by howard jones (i think). 1984. CD: the smiths _hatful of hollow_ in 1989, when you couldn't find it anywhere. bought the cd player about 7-8 months later. ------------------------------ From: SydneyC33@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: first album bought with own money Can I play? First album bought with my own money: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. Age 10 First album listened to over and over and over again: Meet the Beatles. Age 7 First album listened to over and over again, but only when Mom wasn't around: The soundtrack to "Hair". Age 7 First "real" concert: Electric Light Orchestra, The Cow Palace, SF. Age 14 Tom Clark reminisced: << First concert: KISS, Calderone Concert Hall, Hempstead NY. 8/75, Age 12 The opening band for KISS you might ask? The Flock w/ Jerry Goodman. >> Ha! Just for kicks I dusted off "The Flock" and gave it a listen after I read your post, Tom. They were certainly an incredible group of musicians. Perhaps you know this already, but Jerry went on to becoming a founding member of John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra. And if you're at all taken with Jer's violin, check out his later solo efforts (On The Future of Aviation, It's Alive, others??). Quite the departure from Robyn, but what the heck, this group has eclectic taste, right? :) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:58:22 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: first album bought with own money 1st rec/own cash: Stars on Long Play 1st concert: dylan 1st wives club: very bad JL -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:29:56 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Albums, Kinks, Kinks Albums On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, James Dignan wrote: > First album with own money? Trogglodynamite! - how could I forget? Worth every penny of 32/6... followed by Fresh Cream, Are You Experienced, and The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Incidentally, I have been doing some research on Kinks UK album chart placings, using the invaluable "Rock File 2" chart log of LPs 1960-73. During this period, the Kinks charted with 4 full-price LPs: "Kinks" (22 weeks in the top 10 in 1964, peaking at 3); "Kinda Kinks" (9 weeks in the top 10 in 1965 peaking at 3); "The Kink Kontroversy" (1 week at number 9 in 1965); and "Face to Face" (made number 12 in 1966). No sign of "Something Else" or any of the subsequent albums. I can't imagine that they ever got another top 10 record after 1973, but the book ends there, so they might have done. And their last top 10 single was not "Lola" in 1970 as I would have guessed, but "Apeman" which made number 5 the following year. - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:48:42 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Thoth tangent (no Hitchcon) On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, John Littlejohn wrote: > > Bayard - According to the book "Dictionary of Word Origins" > > the word "thought" comes from a "prehistoric Germanic noun > > 'gathangkht,' which was formed from the same base as produced > > English 'think.'" > > That sounds reasonable. But how can these people know something which > existed before recorded history; unlike with the dinosaus, no fossil > evidence is possible with words. Was that just an educated guess on their > part? If so, how did they go about finding this out? > > JL, sincerely interested for a change It's called 'philology' and it began with Sir somebody something in 1786 who showed that Sanskrit was an ancestor of Greek and Latin. The brothers Grimm (of fairy-tales fame) developed this in the context of primitive German languages. The technique is that by studying old texts and comparing the spellings and sounds through time, you build up a picture of words that "must have been there" as roots in order to produce the closely-related modern German, Dutch and English vocabulary. You also develop a picture of the primitive society (e.g. "daughter" derives from the Sanskrit for "milkmaid"). All info from T A Shippey's brilliant "The Road to Middle-Earth". - Mike Godwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .