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Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Element of toast (50% Gromit content) Element of Thoth Zappa, Cabinets, Motifs, Triffids, Green, the Future & the "P" word Re: Diaries of blah blah blah (Apology) Re: The Final Apology and Explanation [META] Re: The Final Apology and Explanation Re: lady dodge and the shirted one Re: Diaries of blah blah blah (Apology) fegz movies? Re: Element of Thoth Re: Element of Thoth first album bought with own money first album bought w/ own $ Re: first album bought with own money Re: first album bought w/ own $ Re: first album bought with own money re: first records... Jasper, This One's Lingerie random bits of stuff First album bought Re: Perspex Promo Cassette Looking for good music Re: first records... Re: first records... re: Looking for good music Re: first records... Metal Machine Music (no RH) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:37:36 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Element of toast (50% Gromit content) >"I'm only you" is a nice quote, and "Please don't call me Reg" was my >choice for my DIY shirt... BUT what I really want to see is something >which somehow links this group, Robyn and the net, however tangentially. > >The "fiends" line fills the bill, of course and I think that if it is >presented as a quote (attributed to Mr. H) and clearly refers to >Fegmaniax, the chances of confusion with a certain East coast musical >duo will be much diminished. > >The "I know where to look.." line still beats it by a whisker in my >book, though. > >One more thing; NOT the whole Fegmania essay PLEASE! Let's not tie this >whole thing to one album--and an old one at that. There's more to >Robyn's work than this and although that *is* where the list name came >from, there's more to us, too. I agree as far as the "fiends" or the "I know where to look" quotes go. They're broad--can be taken various ways except by those who are in the know, they're about us, and most importantly, they're Robyn... I think the essay would be too narrow and too much for a shirt.. (No problems printing long stuff like that, but in our experience it just doesn't look as good, and isn't as eye-pleasing as a smaller quote would be, particularly with a small graphic. and yet another question.. what's (sic)? LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A friend is someone who will help you move. A GOOD friend is someone who will help you move a body." -Unknown Come visit me at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 Last updated 7 June 1997 I'm on the LinkExchange!! Be on the lookout for my specially-made banner! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:30:24 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Element of Thoth On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, LSDiamond wrote: > Pardon my ignorance here, but what exactly is this thoth of which everyone > speaks? > Thoth is an Egyptian god with the head of an ibis. Strictly speaking his name should rhyme with "both", not "Goth", but I've never heard anyone pronounce it correctly unless they were correcting someone else. He was the divine lawyer who checked the balance in the Hall of the Dead when human hearts were weighted before Osiris; he measured out people's lifespan on a rod at their birth; and like most other Egypgian gods he had a lot of other complicated attributes. That symbol on the _Fegmania!_ and _Element of Light_ albums (and scattered elsewhere - you'll find one on woj's Hitchcock page) is the head of Thoth, wearing the lunar disk and crescent. Any good book on Egyptian mythology should have tons of material on him. Tracy -- How is it that you fail to perceive that I did not speak about bread? - Matthew 16:11 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:23:22 +0700 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Zappa, Cabinets, Motifs, Triffids, Green, the Future & the "P" word >I think Green, if possible, should be the shirt color. better make it a nice energetic dark green. >>>Look! It's a message from THE FUTURE! Only appropriate that it would >>>happen on Fegmaniax! >>James Dignan lives in the future. ...and it is exactly like the present, only later... >This is literally true, at least for those of us on the nether side of the >IDL. Anyone on the list actually ahead of James? Where would you be >living? Fiji? New Caledonia? Only Fijians and Chatham Islanders are ahead of me :) Of course *true* time (rather than our cumbersome division into timezones) would put any NZ North Island Fegs ahead of me, too. >Hey, James, I picked up the Triffids' CALENTURE at a used store last >month, my first-ever triffids purchase. How's it compare to the rest of >their output? It's one of my favourites, along with "Born Sandy Devotional" (try this one next!) and "Treeless Plain". Calenture is probably the most lushly produced. Think of it as their "Respect" and you'll probably be about right (then again, you probably hate Respect...). At the other end of the scale production-wise is the country-tinged "In the Pines", which was recorded in a shearing shed 800 miles from anywhere in the Australian outback (true!). PS - I agree with Susan D (D? D!) about cycling madly, and with the Quail about Nirvana. It was through listening to Nevermind that I came across a fundamental truth of catchy music... The reason why Robyn sounds so catchy, fresh and 60s tinged to me is the "intro motif". Listen to the intro of 'Flesh no.1' or 'Egyptian Cream' or 'Lysander' or 'Driving Aloud' and you'll hear it. Not just an intro, but the motif - a pattern that crops up throughout the song in little instrumental moments between verses. It was very popular during the 60s, but has slowly fallen away over the years. So I thought "what songs on this album - a true product of the 90s - have the most distinctive intro motifs?". The Answer? The big singles: Smells Like Teen Spirit, Come as You Are and Lithium, plus the other most memorable track, Polly. I intend to investigate this phenomenon further, once I've figured out why some fish always return to the same polling booths... From: Jeff Rosedale Subject: tee hee >One that stuck in my head momentarily is "It's a sideways glance at a >full-on world", since perspective... AAAAA! HE SAID THE "P" WORD! (Hmm. This masters thesis may be getting to me...) BTW - those of you currently lauding (or otherwise) Mr. F.Zappa - have you ever listened to any Godley & Creme? These two erstwhile members of 10cc, who then became top video directors, have put out a series of albums which are pretty strongly influenced by You Are What You Is and Apostrophe-era Zappa. I'd seriously recommend hunting out a copy of Freeze Frame and Ismism in particular, if only for the surreal-nightmare image of NYC in "An Englishman in New York" and the ghostly "Under Your Thumb" respectively. How long did it take to fill the bath? >>of information for me more often, heh heh. For your troubles, I appoint >>you the official Keeper of the Runion Sentence. >Is that a cabinet position (and Dignan was a part of the filing cabinet....)? no thanks - I'm already Minister of the Interior for Port Colice. And that is the only list I'm on that approaches the surrealism of Fegmaniax! (albeit for completely different reasons). James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:40:44 -0400 From: Ner Subject: Re: Diaries of blah blah blah (Apology) The Great Quail wrote: > Hm. OK, Fegs, I'm sorry for the long and unwelcome post. It was not > meant > as any sort of cliquish private joke at all, just me blowing off some > steam in the middle of end of the school year hell week. I just > thought > some folks might appreciate it, but I do suppose that this is a high > volume list and people subscribe to it to read about Robyn and such > stuff, and not to be bombarded by my nonsense. Again, I apologize. Well I was entertained as I am by just about all of your writing. No need to apologize to me. I was looking forward to part 2. Oh well.... -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:52:32 -0400 From: Ner Subject: Re: The Final Apology and Explanation Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > I think the problem is, again, misunderstanding about the > nature > of what a mailing list is supposed to be. Some think it should be > entirely > related to Robyn Hitchcock, and that nothing should be posted but > things > like "radio interviews at 8 pm on Saturday, could someone tape it for > me?" > or "I do/don't like Robyn's stage banter". Some treat it as a > community of > friends. The two camps are often in conflict round these parts. I > suppose > it's never going to be resolved. > I know there are > others who feel the same way, and perhaps in the current hostile > climate do not wish to come forward and say so, but I will. I've been > flamed before and I'm willing to risk it again. > Finally, I would like to add that the Quail's little story was > > chock full of Robynalia and had a lot more to do with Robyn Hitchcock > than > it did, say, Brian Wilson. > Here, here. I'm totally with you on this one Susan. I was more entetained by Quail's story than I am with many of the posts on this list. Some people.... -Ner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: [META] Re: The Final Apology and Explanation One more post today won't hurt anything, right? On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Ner wrote: > Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > > > I think the problem is, again, misunderstanding about the > > nature of what a mailing list is supposed to be. I think this is rather a mischaracterization. And is "misunderstanding" the word you want? It implies that someone involved is in the wrong - "disagreement" might be a better choice. A while ago - was it almost two years? wow - I wrote an article about the feg list for Positive Vibrations. Assuming the count I did then and the count I did recently was accurate, the volume of the list has tripled since that time. Certainly the number of subscribers seems to keep going up; woj said he was surprised when there were fifty, and when I did the article there were three hundred, and I don't know how many there are now. I've been reading feg since the restart (it was just after the alt.music.r-hitchcock discussion on alt.config, for those of you who remember) and the list has *always* supported a certain amount of quasi-on-topic to altogether-drifted material; and, as I've said before, was extraordinarily friendly. Perhaps what caused the change in tone was that as more people subscribed it became harder to please them all, and yet there were more total posts. Or perhaps it was that you feel like you're among friends it may be easy to forget that you're effectively CC'ing your conversations to several hundred people who probably don't care. Even *that* might not raise so much ire if it was occurring in moderation ... but it's not. It seems to me that what is at issue here is not a "misunderstanding" between purists and social butterflies, but a feeling that it is *uncivil* for some folks to continue to post large quantities of material that is probably of interest to only a minority of readers, especially after several people have mentioned disk quotas, per-message costs, and connect time costs. If you have something long but off-topic that you nevertheless think will interest some people here, why not put it on a web page and post a pointer, or post a brief description and mail it privately to interested parties? If you want to socialize, why not use #fegmaniax? Or private mail? Or set up a second listserv, if you believe that the chatty and the non-chatty are destined to clash? > > I know there are > > others who feel the same way, and perhaps in the current hostile > > climate do not wish to come forward and say so, but I will. I suppose it's unreasonable of me to miss the days when I could read everything on the list, or the oldbies who left - often loudly and publically; things change, after all. But I don't believe that the "current hostile climate" ever had to come about. And I don't think that it was caused by some abstract incompatibility of aims, but rather by a small group of people who both post and flame indiscriminately. Anyone wishing to discuss this with me further is welcome to write me privately; I'll post no more on the topic. -- How is it that you fail to perceive that I did not speak about bread? - Matthew 16:11 ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: lady dodge and the shirted one > > Oh yeah, now I remember. I had one of these too. I say "had" because > the entire Thoth design peeled off after the first washing. I think they > charged $20 for it too! That's nothing. A friend fo mine had the "Mortal Kombat II" t-shirt, which dissolved *as he was wearing it* (indoors, no rain, no strenuous activity...) Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:24:27 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Diaries of blah blah blah (Apology) >> Hm. OK, Fegs, I'm sorry for the long and unwelcome post. It was not >> meant >> as any sort of cliquish private joke at all, just me blowing off some >> steam in the middle of end of the school year hell week. I just >> thought >> some folks might appreciate it, but I do suppose that this is a high >> volume list and people subscribe to it to read about Robyn and such >> stuff, and not to be bombarded by my nonsense. Again, I apologize. > >Well I was entertained as I am by just about all of your writing. No >need to apologize to me. I was looking forward to part 2. Oh well.... Ditto to that, for what it's worth... LSDiamond ------------------------------ From: Jeff Vaska Subject: fegz movies? Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:19:56 -0700 Sorry gang, but I have really not been paying close attention to the fan club here. I've seen people posting their fave movies? Ok, well then, my favorite favorite favorite all time movies are... 1 - Fitzcaraldo (dir. Werner Herzog; starring Klaus Kinski; Italian) 2 - THX1175 (dir. George Lucas; pre Star Wars) 3 - My Life as a Dog (? - Swedish?) 4 - Zentropa (? - Swedish) 5 - True Stories (dir. David Byrne...) There are probably a few more, but that's all for now...jv Jeffery Vaska, Graphic Designer @ Cutlured Design/A.C.E. P: 206.216.0786 F: 206.216.0878 E: jvaska@cultural.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 08:40:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Element of Thoth > Thoth is an Egyptian god with the head of an ibis. Strictly > speaking his name should rhyme with "both", not "Goth", "tote" (like "toast" without the 's') is another acceptable pronunciation. So maybe we should consider making fegMANIAX Thoth bags. -russ recommended listening: The Zombies' "Odyssey & Oracle"...dig it up, slap on the headphones, close yer eyes and listen in wonderment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Element of Thoth I read somewhere that not only is Thoth the god of knowledge, he was also the most powerful of the ancient immortals... I suppose this is where we get the idea that knowledge is power (and if i didn't know better, which i don't, it would seem like "thoth" and "thought" were suspiciously similar-looking.. can anyone recommend a tome of etymology, or even a nice online unabriged dictionary [i want to find out what "odious" means]) I did a search on the web and learned from an australian pagan on-line temple that Thoth was the counterpart of Mercury and Hermes as the patron of truth, learning and communication across the known world. Guess that does make him appropriate to our garment (esp. as he's also the god of eloquence... or was until he was deposed by the current Deity, now found in the Libyrinth) =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:43:49 -0700 From: Lobsterman Subject: first album bought with own money >i'd be interested to know the first albums you all bought "with your own >money." mine was FREEZE FRAME, by the J. Geils Band, though the first >rock album i owned was Kiss Alive I, which my mom gave me for EASTER! 1st tape bought with own money, age 7: Cat Stevens: Teaser & The Firecast 2nd tape bought with own money (not including columbia house crap), freshman yr. of high school. Greg Kihn Band: Kihnspiracy (I think. It's the one with the Breakup Song on it. you know how it goes, right? "They don't write 'em like that anymore...." Maybe it was Rock Kihn Roll) John, who was also given KISS Alive I as a gift. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Lobsterman + (John B. Jones) + lobstie@e-znet world wide web- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones house of figgy (24-7)- http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/hitchcock.html I'm on a reigning twilight coast.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 11:07:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: first album bought w/ own $ Lobsterman revealed: >2nd tape bought with own money (not including columbia house crap), >freshman yr. of high school. > >Greg Kihn Band: Kihnspiracy (I think. It's the one with the Breakup Song >on it. you know how it goes, right? "They don't write 'em like that >anymore...." Maybe it was Rock Kihn Roll) seems like as good a time as any to plug the KFOX (San Jose,CA) morning show with Greg Kihn. 94.5 FM. http://www.kfox.com My first was either the Beatles 1967-1970 or Three Dog Night's "Golden Biscuits". The Beatles White Album was the first record I ever owned, but that was a birthday present. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:27:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: first album bought with own money On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Lobsterman wrote: > >i'd be interested to know the first albums you all bought "with your own > >money." mine was FREEZE FRAME, by the J. Geils Band, though the first > >rock album i owned was Kiss Alive I, which my mom gave me for EASTER! Actually, I began by buying singles (any Dallas, TX natives present remember a store called the Melody Shop? :)). The first albums I bought were around the age of 11, I believe. They were: The Stray Cats "Built for Speed", Adam Ant "Friend or Foe", and much as it pains me to say, Toni Basil "Word of Mouth". The first rock album I owned was Ronco "Fun Rock". Actually I wouldn't mind having it now. I don't remember the song order, but I know it included the following tunes: Yummy Yummy Yummy, Purple People Eater, Winchester Cathedral, Simon Says Itsy Bitsy Teen Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini, Ahab the Arab, Wooly Bully (yes, kids, TWO tracks by Sam the Sham! Outta sight!), and I remember the last song on side 2 was Tommy Roe's "Dizzy", which I hated, though everything else was very much to my liking. "Winchester Cathedral" was a particular fave, which I'm sure suprises no one. > Greg Kihn Band: Kihnspiracy (I think. It's the one with the Breakup Song > on it. you know how it goes, right? "They don't write 'em like that > anymore...." Maybe it was Rock Kihn Roll) Kihnspiracy is the one with "Jeopardy" on it. Must be the other one. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:31:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: first album bought w/ own $ Russ wrote: >My first was either the Beatles 1967-1970.... That's the first record *I* bought with my own money! :) Eb ------------------------------ Subject: Re: first album bought with own money Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 11:48:32 -0700 From: Tom Clark >>i'd be interested to know the first albums you all bought "with your own >>money." mine was FREEZE FRAME, by the J. Geils Band, though the first >>rock album i owned was Kiss Alive I, which my mom gave me for EASTER! Ok, I'll bite. First Album purchased: Grand Funk Railroad "Live" Age 8 First singles purchased: David Bowie "Young Americans" & Elton John "Crocodile Rock" (although I preferred the flipside "Elderberry Wine") Age 9(?) First concert: KISS, Calderone Concert Hall, Hempstead NY. 8/75, Age 12 The opening band for KISS you might ask? The Flock w/ Jerry Goodman. You never saw a more confused group of pubescent stoners. Well, maybe "confused pubescent stoner" is a bit redundant... -tc "http://twentiethanniversary.apple.com/" Order yours today! ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Cheez Whiz is not something you eat... It's something you see a urologist for." - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ From: Jeff Vaska Subject: re: first records... Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:55:38 -0700 Ok, pathetic and true... 1 - KISS Alive II - with my own money 2 - Fela Anikulapo Kuti - a few years later, again with my own money Quite the contrast... Ta-ra...jv Jeffery Vaska, Graphic Designer @ Cultured Design/A.C.E. P: 206.216.0786 F: 206.216.0787 E: jvaska@cultural.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:07:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Jasper, This One's Lingerie On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Daniel Saunders wrote: > I heard there was a t-shirt with "jasper, this one's evil" on it > available. That sounds very cool. Anyone have one? Yup, I do. I got the last one left at the San Francisco show in November. Of course it is like XXXXXLarge, so it is more appropriate as a nightshirt than anything else, really. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:14:00 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: random bits of stuff >have you ever listened to any Godley & Creme? These two erstwhile members >of >10cc, who then became top video directors, didn't they do that song "you make me wanna cry"? wild video with the faces melting together. i think that they produced all of the cool concept videos for _synchronicity_. all of the other police videos up to that point were essentially home videos. >I came across a fundamental truth of catchy music... The reason why Robyn >>sounds so catchy, fresh and 60s tinged to me is the "intro motif" heh heh, motifs are cool. >My "One Long Pair Of Eyes" shirt with all the thin linework i had one of those and washed and wore it more than should've been physically possible. it was eventually stolen from the nail i hung it on by some sinister, smiling, toothless, clodhoppered ragamuffin just before the dawn appeared and cast into the black hole that follows me around. >Finally, I would like to add that the Quail's little story was >chock full of Robynalia and had a lot more to do with Robyn Hitchcock >than it did, say, Brian Wilson maybe the quailmeister would feel up to the challange of conjuring a robynalia reference guide? >first album bought w/ own $: _olivia newton-john's greatest hits, volume 2_ KEN ------------------------------ Subject: First album bought From: guambat@juno.com (Jim Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:13:04 EDT Actually it was a cassette. I was about 13 and I bought "The Doors Greatest Hits". I find this tidbit of personal history more than a bit amusing now. :) The Guambat ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Perspex Promo Cassette From: guambat@juno.com (Jim Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:13:04 EDT On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Bayard writes: >did anyone ever want this? is the photo the one from the _pi_ booklet >that makes his nose look really big? > Yeah, Bayard, Michael Brage is now the proud owner. If I remember correctly, it *isn't* the same picture from the booklet that makes Robyn's shnoz look rather elongated, but another "take" from that same shoot. I don't think he's got that goofy hat on, either. It's actually not a bad shot. The Guambat P.S. Please forgive me if I offended any goofy hat aficionados with my unfeeling remarks above. :) ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for good music Sorry to bother... I've been looking over my music collection, and...I get the feeling that the best music of the 60's actually happened in the 80's...what I'm saying, I think, is that psychedelic isn't what it used to be, but it's it used to be more than it was... I mean, apart from The Monkees and Pink Floyd, most psychedelic music isn't that really psychedelic... or can someone reccomend me a agood album that will prove me wrong? So...how are the Soft Boys one of the more important bands? And...was Rain Parade important? Will Viva Saturn or the High Llamas be? How does a band become important? (And if anyone has any idea how the music industry operates, please clue me in...I've been trying to figure out the difference between famous and not famous bands, but it's getting tougher) (for that matter, if there's anyone who'd care to discuss Madness's "Keep Moving" album, I'm still trying to decide if it's a good or bad album.) No, I don't understand a word of this either, but it made sense when I thought ti out...this is basically a response to a months worth of posts, so bear with me... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:42:50 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: first records... Ugh. Warning: horrible memories bubbling forth...now you'll know what a real geek I was. Note: my memory is fried. Don't hold me to any logical order of events here. First records (given to me as presents...age 10 or so): - Grease Soundtrack (vinyl) - Star Wars (London PHILHARMONIC Orchestra...this wasn't even the real soundtrack! I still fume about this.) First excusions into buying my own music: Please don't cringe, but I began my musical life buying pseudo-country singles like "I Love A Rainy Night" (Eddie Rabbit) and "Angel Of The Morning" (Juice Newton). Kool & The Gang's "Celebration" pulled me off in new directions that led to "Tainted Love", "Centerfold" and other early 80's K-TEL fodder. And yes, I still have all of these. First 'rock' album that I purchased with my own money: - Stars On Long Play (yep, we all remember this one!) I'd purchased Stars On 45 before this. First concert: - Madonna, Like A Virgin tour '84 (very late getting started on concerts due to over-protective parents...this was my senior year of high school!) First rock t-shirt: - Stevie Nicks, Rock A Little tour, '86 (very very late on this!) First cool alternative/college rock-type concerts: - Lone Justice, The Call, Guadalcanal Diary enough all ready... Mike "C-ing spots" Runion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:39:01 -0400 From: Dolph Chaney CC: "'viva viva viva viva seatac!'" Subject: Re: first records... Jeff Vaska wrote: > > Ok, pathetic and true... > > 1 - KISS Alive II - with my own money > 2 - Fela Anikulapo Kuti - a few years later, again with my own money > > Quite the contrast... In that same spirit: First single bought with own money: Prince, "When Doves Cry" First LP bought with own money: Michael Jackson, THRILLER First cassette bought with own money: Night Ranger, MIDNIGHT MADNESS First compact disc bought with own money: The Dukes Of Stratosphear, CHIPS FROM THE CHOCOLATE FIREBALL Now playing: Luna, LUNAPARK I never bought my own 8-track, but my favorite one of Mom's was the something Moog Orchestra's version of songs from STAR WARS. We played it in her orange (Susan) Dodge Omni all the time. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:07:06 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: re: Looking for good music Terrence asked: >I've been looking over my music collection, and...I get the feeling that >the best music of the 60's actually happened in the 80's...what I'm >saying, I think, is that psychedelic isn't what it used to be, but it's it >used to be more than it was... I mean, apart from The Monkees and Pink >Floyd, most psychedelic music isn't that really psychedelic... >or can someone reccomend me a agood album that will prove me wrong? Uh-oh. Try Brainticket's "Psychonaut", The Red Crayola's "The Parable of Arable Land" or Comus' "First Utterance" albums, and you will hear True Psychedelia. But the Monkees made "Head" ("Can You Dig It?", "The Porpoise Song"), a truly delightful and fully psychedelic album, and I'll assume you've heard Pink Floyd's early stuff ("Point Me At The Sky", "Paintbox"), so you're on the right track. Psychedelic isn't what it used to be, sure, but that's not to say it's either gotten better or that it was worse back then. For old stuff, you can't top Fifty Foot Hose, United States of America, Brainticket, or Culpeper's Orchard, and for new stuff, you can't top Magnog, Porcupine Tree, Mimir, even the Legendary Pink Dots -- they just don't *call* it psychedelic, but it's not much different. Musical genius and pop elitist Stephen Merritt put it this way when I saw his band Magnetic Fields a few weeks ago. He said, "Why do you still buy albums? All you really need is Visage's greatest hits, 'Da Do Ron Ron,' and Irving Berlin." He thinks all music nowadays is just retreads. The irony that the one man who's restored my faith in Contemporary Pop Music thinks that that very genre is dead, but oh well. The one thing I like about Robyn is that I can always depend on him making records I will always enjoy. So, plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, I guess. >So...how are the Soft Boys one of the more important bands? Cause I said so, goddammit! =8-P >And...was Rain Parade important? I don't think so, other than that they spawned Mazzy Star (erm, right?). But other than that damned "Look at Mary" song I can't think of anything worthwhile they recorded. There were better psychedelic-like, or "paisley underground" bands at the time, like 17 Pygmies, Fourway Cross, Drowning Pool, Savage Republic, etc., but not a lot of people talked about them. Besides, the mere fact that the Fibonaccis existed at the same time renders them unimportant, right? __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:07:34 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: first records... Dolph Chaney wrote: > I never bought my own 8-track, but my favorite one of Mom's was the > something Moog Orchestra's version of songs from STAR WARS. We played > it in her orange (Susan) Dodge Omni all the time. MECO's Star Wars! Ah, what an album...what a band! I wish I had this album, really. I've got the single though, and MECO's later "Star Trek & The Black Hole" album. Oh god...more nerdy memories. Run, Ion...RUN! P.S. my dad had a stack of 8-tracks that he'd pulled out of other people cars...stuff like the Doors' LA Woman and the Beach Boys' Endless Summer. He also had this crazy pile of mid-70's raunchy black comedy albums. We're not talking just tame Richard Pryor stuff. This was true raunch, and this shy, 8 year old Catholic schoolboy was terrified of it. Funky demin wonderland. ------------------------------ From: Zslick@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Metal Machine Music (no RH) Yeah, well you never can be too sure about anything Lou says in interviews (he seems to change things around depending on how he's feeling, or what he thinks about who he's talking to) For my money, the best notes on MMM or any other Lou Reed music are to be found in the book of Lester Bangs writings called "Psychotic Reactions and Carburator Dung" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .