From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #136 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 136 Wednesday June 18 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- jim morrison's dead, and where he's gone, you know, it's blacker than ink Re: Element Of Light bonus trax Quotes, Kiwis, Wallace, Gromit, and a gratuitous Runion comment Re: Elections... Re: Element Of Light bonus trax Re: I want...to be...a cowboy Re: metal machine muzak Re: FVZ (1% RH) Re: FVZ Re: Metal machine muzak Re: Dylan Re: Metal machine muzak Re: Metal machine muzak Aquarium tab? Re: Metal machine muzak Re: Metal machine muzak [TAB] Aquarium (was: Aquarium tab?) Re: Metal machine muzak Five Cones for a dollar ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:26:35 -0700 Subject: jim morrison's dead, and where he's gone, you know, it's blacker than ink well, i'm somewhat embarrassed by all this talk about tape trees and everyone needing to have a tape of the viva sea-tac gig, because i'm afraid that the tape, though far from unlistenable, is not of the quality that y'all are expecting. anyway, i've sent the master to bayard, who is surely much wiser in the ways of tape trees (not to mention science) than i. plus he's datted. so whatever he chooses to do with it sounds fine to me. what is the WADING THROUGH A VENTILATOR bootleg? does this mean the RAW CUTS cd? the picture disc, which is not, as far as i'm aware, a bootleg? something else entirely? Hedblade's fave flicks: 1. Brazil, 2. Raising Arizona, 3. Animal Crackers, 4. 2001, 5. Apocalypse Now, 6. A Hard Day's Night, 7. Henry V (Branagh), 8. The Bride of Frankenstein, 9. A Christmas Carol (1951), 10. Broadway Danny Rose Gene Hopstetter Jr.'s fave flicks: 1. 2001, 2. THX 1138, 3. Wise Blood, 4. Shakes the Clown, 5. Sixteen Candles, 6. Naked (Leigh), 7. Goodfellas, 8. Dead Ringers, 9. A Clockwork Orange, 10. King Lear (Olivier BBC) Ken Ostrander's fave flicks: Holy Grail, Afterhours, Casablanca, The Grifters, Silence of the Lambs, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Platoon, Dr. Strangelove, Citizen Kane, Brazil The Great Quail's fave flicks: 1. Excaliber, 2. Bladerunner, 3. Henry V (Branagh), 4. 8 1/2, 5. Wings of Desire, 6. The Devils, 7. Bram Stoker's Dracula, 8. Apocalypse Now, 9. A Clockwork Orange, 10. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "My father...would make outrageous claims, like, he invented the question mark." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:29:49 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Element Of Light bonus trax At 01:22 PM 6/17/97 -0700, Runion, Michael R. wrote: >Just a spout out... > >I popped in EoL last night for the first time in forever and realized >once more how much I love that album. It's odd though. I originally had >it on cassette, which ends with "Lady Waters", and played it to death. >When I finally got it on CD (the glass fish, moist 3 version), the >additional 4 songs seemed separate from the album as I'd known it. After >listening to these 4 songs again last night, I had to jump over to my CD >player and program them in and hit continuous repeat. They're truly >excellent...though I fear they will always be 'bonus tracks' in my >pre-set and quickly petrifying brain. I bought the EoL CD in 1987, right before my one and only (so far!) trip to the U.K. I didn't have any of the singles that the bonus tracks came from, so they were completely new to me. I was putting together some C-90s for the trip, and used the EoL bonus tracks as end-of-side "filler" -- I think two of them ended up right after Fleetwood Mac's then-new TANGO IN THE NIGHT, and I'd be hard pressed to say where the other two landed, but they too went along for the ride. Anyway, as I listened to my little tape stash on the trip over, during train and bus rides, and back in my room as I wrote down the day's events, I was simply floored by how excellent those four "bonus" tracks were! All of them have spent as much time in my head as any Robyn songs ever, and that's saying something. Pieces of them are simply stuck in my psyche: the "telephones and viruses" line in "The Black Crow Knows," the madcap instrument switch-around and "do you believe in human sheep?" (listened to while viewing scads of actual sheep sheep) of "Tell Me About Your Drugs," the spectacular "how long do you got it, baby, flesh and blood?" section that closes "The Crawling," and the feral grace of "The Leopard." They really don't belong with the other EoL tracks, as Mike says, but they really shouldn't have been relegated to b-side status either. from a dark place to a light place, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:35:56 +0700 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Quotes, Kiwis, Wallace, Gromit, and a gratuitous Runion comment >In any case, "I prefer East Grinstead" is a line that almost all Fegs >surely will recognize, while just about no one else will. How about any of the following (off the top o'my loaf): "I'm only you" "He'll leave you gurgling behind the hedge!" "Let there be more darkness" "Please don't call me Reg" "I'm lurking in the shadows 'cause it hasn't happened yet" or even "Where angels hover, I'll hover too" must admit that I like Robyn's comment about knowing where to look to find out what he's doing though. oh, and Ross from beyond the mighty waters writes: >"Cracking toast, Gromit!" yesterday, I was presented with a t-shirt with that and a picture of Wallace on it. A lovely link between my favourite animation and my favourite mailing list! (And I reckon the model train chase of "The Wrong Trousers" is the best chase sequence ever filmed - "The French Connection" notwithstanding!) THREE kiwis???! G'day to you, Martin! James ("To quote the Spencer Davis Group - 'Keep on Runion') James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:36:22 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Elections... >the web location may run down the left sleeve in black. Down the sleeve? *ack* sorry, personal preference alert here.. I can't STAND sleeve prints... LSDiamond, who has listened to "Diary" at least 4 times today and still isn't tired of it, and who has an extensive list of albums to listen to when Robyn becomes too much (which is rare, but likes to listen to other stuff too anyway)............... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A friend is someone who will help you move. A GOOD friend is someone who will help you move a body." -Unknown Come visit me at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 Last updated 7 June 1997 I'm on the LinkExchange!! Be on the lookout for my specially-made banner! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:14:08 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Element Of Light bonus trax Having had the 10-track LP for some time, I was taken aback when I bought a CD with, not only the excellent four bonus numbers, but also a further six outtakes, so that the CD has precisely twice as many songs as the old LP. Personally, I'd rather not have the outtakes on the 'studio' album - I would prefer to have them all collected on one of those "demos etc" CDs. - hssmrg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:39:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: I want...to be...a cowboy On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I like Elvis Costello, but he's not over-the-top like Frank was. I guess > the Elvis faithful might feel threatened by such an alien creature. Would that be the only reason one might not like Frank Zappa? I can think of many reasons why -I- don't, and that isn't one of them, but I will refrain from listing them here because I don't want the Zappa faithful at my throat :). Count me in with Robyn (good company to be in! :)) on this one. > Robyn Hitchcock recently said in an interview that he was into everything > except Frank Zappa in the sixties. Frank Zappa thanked Bob Dylan on his > first album. I listen to RH + FZ, but I don't listen to BD much. The way > I try to put it together for me is that I'm not wild about Bob Dylan, but > just about every one of the people who influenced me were influenced by > him, so if I don't get him he can still be okay. Hmmm......well I suppose I understand your position on this if not your feelings (I am among those who feel Dylan saved their sanity :)). Many persons whose taste I respect are admirers of Mr. Zappa, and that's sort of how I've decided to regard him. Well, that's my official position anyway ;). Love on ya, Susan who shares a birthday with Ray Davies and Jean-Paul Sartre ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:53:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: metal machine muzak On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, the woj of noise wrote: > that's not as ridiculous as the quail makes it sound like. i've printed up > t-shirts with texts as long as the fegmania essay on their back which are > quite readable -- even without resorting to all upper-case letters (feh!) > or sans-serif fonts (i think i used lucinda bright -- a personal favorite). My favorite t-shirt (and one of my all-time favorite posessions) is a t-shirt with the Dada manifesto on the front. It is also quite readable and an excellent conversation piece :). I hadn't thought of putting the fegmania essay on the t-shirt, but now that I think of it I like that idea even better than any of the quotes so far suggested :). > despite all this (and many other noise-type recordings i love and adore), > i've never heard _metal machine music_, though it's been on the list of > things to get someday for a long time. Is it available on CD? I've never seen such a thing. I seem to remember also having heard that it had something to do with pissing off a record company, and then Lou later became proud of it or something (I know I remember reading that he claimed RCA wanted to put it out as a Red Seal recording, though there is only Lou's word for that). If you haven't read Lester Bangs' comments about it I suggest picking up "Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung" and giving it a go. Very very funny stuff. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:41:32 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: FVZ "He's not happy with himself - and I think he's right!" (Lou Reed on Francis Zappa) -hssmrg PS I used to think that the one thing LR and FVZ had in common was that they both hated hippies. That was before I saw that photo of Lou in a ridiculous tie-dyed shirt on the "Fully Loaded" CD! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:37:06 -0500 From: Hal Brandt Subject: (1% RH) Re: FVZ M R Godwin wrote: > > "He's not happy with himself - and I think he's right!" > (Lou Reed on Francis Zappa) Ironically, Lou Reed inducted FZ (posthumously) into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame, much to the dismay of Gail Zappa (Lou and Frank had some sort of unresolved feud from way back when). Moon was the only Zappa family member to attend, and she later wrote an article for Details magazine moaning about the pressures of "growing up Zappa." This, of course, has nothing to do with FZ's musical legacy. I thank my lucky ears that I "get" Zappa. I've got a complete CD collection and love nearly all of it. The "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore" series is the best live box-set collection EVER. If you like classical, and haven't heard "The Yellow Shark", you owe it to yourself. The musical possibilities that he explored with the Synclavier masterpiece "Civilization: Phaze III" are unequaled. Long live FZ! "The present-day composer refuses to die!" -Edgard Varese, July 1921 hal ObRob content: Look for my cone to be inducted into the Virtual Cone Museum soon. "The Onion" has details forthcoming! ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 13:40:56 EDT Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak Woj sez: > despite all this (and many other noise-type recordings i love and adore), > i've never heard _metal machine music_, though it's been on the list of > things to get someday for a long time. I've never heard it, either. I thought I remember Lou Reed saying something about it being intentionally bad because it was meant as a contract breaker or contractual obligation album -- can't remember which. Can you Reed fans (I know you're out there) confirm or deny? -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:56:39 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: Dylan On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > (I am among those who feel Dylan saved their sanity :)). If only you could have done the same for him! JL -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:03:09 -0400 From: Dolph Chaney CC: the puppet motel Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak Ross Overbury wrote: > > Woj sez: > > despite all this (and many other noise-type recordings i love and > > adore), i've never heard _metal machine music_, though it's been on > > the list of things to get someday for a long time. > > I've never heard it, either. I thought I remember Lou Reed saying > something about it being intentionally bad because it was meant as > a contract breaker or contractual obligation album -- can't remember > which. Can you Reed fans (I know you're out there) confirm or deny? I've read descriptions of the contract process and how Lou felt he was getting screwed and said "Fine" and went off and made MMM in a day or something and dumped it on the execs' desks. I've also read the MMM liner notes and other accounts where he claims to think of it as serious experimental classical music, a la Stockhausen. Personally, MNSHO is that Lou changed history on this point depending on the day -- i.e. whether punk or prog was cooler that week. But, then, I'm a recovering Zappaholic. ;-) Dolph Chaney p.s.-- I thought GLASS FLESH listeners might want to know that I've decided to put out a CD by the end of the year. I'm gathering info and making contacts now. If you're interested in getting one and/or have tips and/or just want to be encouraging, please e-mail me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:23:00 -0400 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak >> despite all this (and many other noise-type recordings i love and adore), >> i've never heard _metal machine music_, though it's been on the list of >> things to get someday for a long time. > >I've never heard it, either. I thought I remember Lou Reed saying >something about it being intentionally bad because it was meant as >a contract breaker or contractual obligation album -- can't remember >which. Can you Reed fans (I know you're out there) confirm or deny? i'm sure that the idea was to upset as many people as possible. lou has always been ready to give a defiant "fuck you" to rock's self-proclaimed intelligencia. he had more than one album on RCA after METAL MACHINE MUSIC, so if there were problems with the label there must have been resolved. he's on SIRE now. i found METAL MACHINE MUSIC on vinyl in a used record store and payed a lot of money for it. i've also seen it on compact disk. i remember pulling it out and playing it in its entireity while playing this sega desert strike combat chopper game. it worked well in that setting, but to be honest, the album is difficult. a wash of guitar noise without any other instrumentation. if you're in the mood for it though, it can be pretty cathartic. lock up the razor blades! KEN ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jun 97 15:42:22 EDT From: sCoTtO <102465.41@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Aquarium tab? Hello feg folks, I've got to unsub for awhile but was wondering whether someone could (privately since I won't be getting mail from the list!) send me the guitar tablature for Aquaruim. Thanks- Hope I'll be back soon. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:10:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak > i'm sure that the idea was to upset as many people as possible. >lou has always been ready to give a defiant "fuck you" to rock's >self-proclaimed intelligencia. he had more than one album on RCA after >METAL MACHINE MUSIC, so if there were problems with the label there must >have been resolved. he's on SIRE now. Well, according to my info, Reed released one album afterwards on RCA: the considerably more user-friendly Coney Island Baby. Then he moved to Arista for a few albums (including the highly regarded Street Hassle and the "interesting failure" -- hi Susan -- The Bells) before returning to RCA in 1982 for the deeply bitchen The Blue Mask. Then he left RCA again after Mistrial (blecch) in 1986, and joined Sire for a bit of a career renaissance. Also: I wish S.D. would have the backbone to say why she doesn't like Frank Zappa, instead of pulling her usual goody-goody routine where she's gotta add stacks of meek apologetic :)'s after every mildly negative comment. ;P Here, I'll help you, Susan: "As for me, Zappa is just too smug, too much of an instrumental show-off, rather unsubtle lyrically, values parody over sincerity...." You take it from there. ;) Eb, who admittedly would take We're Only In It For The Money and Uncle Meat over anything by Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys PS From the previous edition of the Trouser Press Record Guide, regarding MMM: "four sides of unlistenable noise (that's a description, not a value judgment)." Heh heh. Aww, I still get a kick out of it anyway. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:32:50 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak Eb sed: >Eb, who admittedly would take We're Only In It For The Money and Uncle Meat >over anything by Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys Me, I'll take them both. I think the Soft Boys and the Mothers of Invention were two of the most important bands of their respective eras, and both are equally underappreciated. When it comes to musicianship, sardonic and topical lyrics, and just plain in-your-face-isms, those two bands can't be beat. The Soft Boys said more about the world, England, Punk Rawk (TM), shrimp, and the state of music than those Sex Pistols twits ever did, and they did it better, with big grins on their faces. And IMNSHO, the Mothers of Invention said more about musicianship, chrome-plated megaphones, San Francisco, free expression, and psychedelia then the Doors or Jefferson Airplane ever did, and they did it better, with big moustaches and pretty dresses, too. But then again, I think the 1910 Fruitgum Co. protrayed teen angst better than Nirvana ever did, so what do I know? =8-> +++++++++++++++++ "The world is a motor inn + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + in an Iowa highway slum." +++++++++++++++++ -- Stephen Merritt ------------------------------ From: Aidan Cully Subject: [TAB] Aquarium (was: Aquarium tab?) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:34:55 -0400 (EDT) ScoTTo wrote: > > Hello feg folks, > I've got to unsub for awhile but was wondering whether someone could (privately > since I won't be getting mail from the list!) send me the guitar tablature for > Aquaruim. Thanks- Hope I'll be back soon. > Scott Ordinarily, I wouldn't post this 'cos its so incomplete, but since ScoTTo requested it.. Here's what I've worked out so far: E---------------------------------0------ B-----1-------1---------1-------0---0---- G---0---0---0---0-----2-------0-------0-- D-2-------3---------2-------2-----------2 A-----------------0---------------------- E-------------------------0-------------- In.... The.. Aquarium.............. E-----8-5---3-------------------- B-------------------1------------ G-------------4-------2-----2---0 D---7-----------5-------3-------- A-------------------------3---2-- E-5-------3-------1-------------- The fish Went through The trees The planes Went through The seas And you Were still With me (missing chords around here) Everything revolves around the [F]sun.. You know I'm gonna miss you when I'm gone Everything revolves In the aquarium You stroked a greasy ray Just at the end of day Way down in Monteray repeat: Everything revolves [strumming] E---------------------------- B---------------------------- G---------------------------- D-0-0-2-0-2-0---3---2---0---2 A-3-3-3-3-3-3---3---3---3---3 E---------------------------- I never knew a thing about you E---------------------------- B---------------------------- G-0-0-2-0-2-0---3---2---0---2 D-3-3-3-3-3-3---3---3---3---3 A---------------------------- E---------------------------- I never knew a thing about you E---------------------------- B---------------------------- G---------------------------- D-0-0-2-0-2-0---3---2---0---2 A-0-0-0-0-0-0---0---0---0---0 E---------------------------- I headed in a dream towards you [Fmaj7] I wonder if I ever saw you [C] But I never knew a thing about you [Am] She says she's gonna saw her head off [Fmaj7] She only does it for attention [C] Like other people I could mention (chords?) All you need is love, But all you get is afraid Everything revolves around the sun You know I'm gonna miss you when you're gone Everything revolves... *a++; ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:43:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Metal machine muzak On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Eb wrote: > "interesting failure" -- hi Susan -- The Bells) before returning to RCA in > 1982 for the deeply bitchen The Blue Mask. Well, Quine was deeply bitchen, anyway. The lyrics could have used (ahem) a bit of polish. > Also: I wish S.D. would have the backbone to say why she doesn't like Frank > Zappa, instead of pulling her usual goody-goody routine where she's gotta > add stacks of meek apologetic :)'s after every mildly negative comment. ;P Well, I will tell you. The last time I made negative comments about FZ I got attacked. Unlike some ;) I don't enjoy being attacked. There are -some- around here who take these comments quite personally and frankly, the idea of starting up a Brian Wilsonesque flamewar does not appeal to me. Besides which, I'm not really sure who would actually care. But in the spirit of agreeing to disagree, and while understanding that this is not a personal attack on the acumen, intelligence, taste, or short-sleeved shirt collection of any FZ fans present....... > Here, I'll help you, Susan: "As for me, Zappa is just too smug, In a word, yes. I don't get listening pleasure from anything that makes me want to smack the person who created it. I realize that was at least partly FZ's intention. That doesn't mean I have to go along with the program. > too much of > an instrumental show-off, That doesn't bother me particularly, actually. > rather unsubtle lyrically, How do misogynistic, juvenile, crude, and not nearly as funny as he thinks he is grab ya? :) :) And yes, I know, Robyn has his juvenile and crude moments sometimes too. His don't offend me. It's different but I can't put my finger on why. Maybe because there's an overall gentleness to his personality that makes them seem less corrosive and hateful. > values parody over > sincerity...." Yah, this too. I think this goes hand in hand with smug, actually. I realize that one person's smug is another person's irreverent. But dammit, ain't there -one- damn song that can make me break down and cry? :) You satisfied now, Mr. E flat? :) > Eb, who admittedly would take We're Only In It For The Money and Uncle Meat > over anything by Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys You smoke crack, my friend. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:11:54 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Five Cones for a dollar Attention one and all interested parties: The fifth Cone is now ready for feg-viewing in the Virtual Cone Museum. Kudos for this one go to Hal Brandt. Wonderful cone, and wonderful presentation I might add (also Hal's). Enjoy. Mike "C Spot" Runion, Cocoa, FL email: mrrunion@tng.net WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm ************ Visit the Virtual Cone Museum! ************** * http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm * ********************************************************** "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .