From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #117 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 117 Friday May 30 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: autographs? Fogerty review (no RH content) Re: road-weary Robyn Re: A female's curiousity is piqued Re: Mystery Train again Re: Please excuse me wile [sic] I choke Re: finally (!) part two of the detroit show review Re: Bay Area Gigs The Eb Method? Re: The Eb Method? Re: A female's curiousity is piqued Re: The Eb Method? Dangerous cheeses! (fwd)- only peripheral RH if any The Setlist Rut Dilemma Re: The Eb Method? Re: The Eb Method? Re: Dangerous cheeses! (fwd)- only peripheral RH if any Robyn in Nashville, 2/22/97 (long) KCRW Re: Robyn in Nashville, 2/22/97 (long) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:54:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: autographs? Gene wrote: >my pride and joy, >an autographed copy of Foetus' first album "Deaf." Damn, even UNautographed, that ought to be your pride and joy! That sucker is RARE. I've always been dying to hear that (along with Ache). Luckily, the word is that Thirsty Ear will finally reissue both of those long-lost nuggets very soon. I like the way you fill out your clothes, Eb PS There have been mentions of Dan Bern on the Elvis Costello list also. Hmmm...guess I gotta check him out. PPS I saw the Magnificent 7 tour (Mark Eitzel, Minus 5, Tuatara) a couple of weeks ago. I liked Tuatara the best too. And true -- seeing Buck fumbling with the vibes is probably worth the ticket price alone. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:14:54 -0700 From: The Master Bison Subject: Fogerty review (no RH content) Fegs! Somebody asked about the new Fogerty album. This was the review off Yahoo! John Fogerty "Blue Moon Swamp" (Reprise) ++++ The former Creedence Clearwater Revival leader returns to his musical roots of the Louisiana bayou and the Mississippi Delta, and the results are well worth the trip. Fogerty's songwriting offers the same rootsy delights as it did on all those Creedence hits; the real delight here is his guitar playing, even sharper and more stinging than before, whether it's on the ZZ Top-style grind of "Bad Bad Boy" or the rustic, bluesy pickin' of "Blueboy" and "Bring it Down to Jelly Roll." [and yes, four + is very good.] -ferris. DISCLAIMER: while, yes, I've caught myself grooving to Creedence lately, I associate this with years of careful avoidance of the same. -- Friday or Saturday, what does that mean? Short space of time needs a heavy scene Monday is coming like a jail on wheels -The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: upstart@portal.ca (Renee Lynn) Subject: Re: road-weary Robyn >Well, touring is certainly a sport for the young and fit - I can tell >you that I know *I* would find Robyn's travel schedule pretty grueling >(I'm not *quite* his age, but catching up fast). I have never understood how he does it. I have seen him *every year* in the Pacific NW for the last ten years *at least*, (and I am pretty sure he was probably playing other places in between ....) RLT ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A female's curiousity is piqued Date: Thu, 29 May 97 14:07:35 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" On 5/28/97 11:17 PM, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell muttered: >I will refrain at this time from quoting the one line that gives me >shivers. Some of you know what it is :). "DENNIS!" You may get off the floor now, Susan... -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Cheez Whiz is not something you eat... It's something you see a urologist for." - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Mystery Train again Date: Thu, 29 May 97 14:17:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark "A turnip in a silver box" On 5/29/97 3:49 AM, M R Godwin muttered: >Following the correspondence about Mystery Train, which Billy Bragg and RH >were apparently performing pretty frequently on tour last year, I found >myself reading a book called 'Mystery Train' by Greil Marcus, from which >the following facts were culled: > >1) Song is by Sam Phillips and Junior Parker >2) Original version by Junior Parker on Sun Records >3) However, first verse lyric is lifted from a very old (1927?) Carter > Family song "Worried Man Blues" >4) Bigger hit version by Elvis Presley, also on Sun Records >5) Version by the Band on Moondog Matinee (?) has additional middle lyric >by Robbie Robertson: You also might want to check out the Jim Jarmusch film of the same name. Very interesting and entertaining. The IMDB info is at "http://us.imdb.com/cache/title-exact/70107" -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Knowledge Is Good" - Emile Faber ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:23:50 +0000 From: am@enterprise.net (The King of the Archway Mods) Subject: Re: Please excuse me wile [sic] I choke >On Mon 26 May, 1997, The King of the Archway Mods wrote: > >>>A usually reliable source has informed me that five of the songs on the > >Spice Girls' first album, including 'Wannabe', were written by a certain Mr > >KImberley Rew...... >>>I've spotted him in the audience at two SGs gigs.<< > >If The Spice Girls make you choke, why were you at 2 of their gigs?!?!?!?! >Just wondering... Their music (or their marketing) don't make me choke - I think both are among the best in the business. The choke is a choke of disbelief that someone who has as good a claim as the Damned to have written Britain's first punk song is a) the winner of the Eurovision (even if he refuced to go on stage), b) doing the Royal Variety Performance and c) writing for perhaps the most mainstream band around (and before anyone starts sneering too hard at the SG's writing, two of the songs on the first album were (indisputably) written by Ray Davies and Cathy Dennis (whom I lived next door to for two years, BTW). If anyone wants my Passionate Defence of 'Wannabe' As The Best Song Of The Last Three Years, you know where to find me. Or you could all take out subscriptions as there's a long feature on that very subject in the next issue. Aidan ------------------------------------ Boring Sig File bit - Please stop sending mail to the PVs PO box coz it's expired PVs book is 3/4 done and might actually be appearing this summer (only 2 years late) Please all go out and buy BOP's new single Teenage Sex/16 Years Old out now on Future Legend Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:31:39 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: finally (!) part two of the detroit show review Randi sed: >I was spellbound (as usual) by his fingers dancing over his guitar...one >of the four cones he drew now lives in my bedroom...and it was the first >time I felt like Robyn was a friend, rather than some mysterious >mystical figure. Owning one of his cones makes me feel that way too. It lives on a shelf in my living room and overlooks everything that happens in there. >And though I've witnessed better RH performances, my overall concert >going experience rather wonderful thank you very much. I agree -- I'll always go see him no matter what. I just like him. Seeing him perform makes me happy. And I'll take that whenever I can get it. >2. Steve was curious as to how people discovered Robyn...so I'd be >forever greatful to anyone who would like to e-mail me, > >and tell me about their first RH experience, their first album purchase, >their first RH concert, and where they live. >I'm hoping to put together a package to send to Steve around the end of >June... It all happened to me in 1985 or so. A good friend of mine brought over a copy of the "I Often Dream Of Trains" album, put on "Flavour of Night" and said "Listen to this amazing saxophone. The song makes me thing of being in a huge room in a castle at night with the windows open, and there's a soft cool breeze blowing and the lace curtains are glowing with blue moonlight." But we couldn't really figure out if it was a saxophone or a violin because I had a really crappy stereo. But I we listened to it over and over and over it was so beautiful. I then became obsessed with "Sounds Great When You're Dead", and then with All Things Robyn In General. I taped the album and played it into the ground. I've been hooked ever since. __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Bay Area Gigs Date: Thu, 29 May 97 14:47:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark "A Globe of Fegs" On 5/28/97 10:33 PM, Tickle Me Tamagotchi muttered: >I am planning to go to the Mill Valley and San Francisco gigs. No >plans (yet) to go to Sacramento, however. Where is everyone meeting >for these shows? Are we Mr. Feg? What is the name of the venue in >Mill Valley and does anyone have directions? > >Looking forward to seeing all of you... I'll be attending just the SF show. I mentioned the Hard Rock around the corner as a possible meeting spot. We should put this in stone pretty soon... -tc no sig this time ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 97 17:25:06 EDT From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: The Eb Method? Hello, Catching up on my Feg digests of the past week or so, I noticed some disturbing trends--all seemingly tied to a single person. Maybe I'm alone in this observation and maybe I'm not. I have noted the patterns of attack and response with this person and drafted the hypothetical letter below. No offense intended of course ;) Hey, I'm on Digest, so flame away. Is it that far from the truth? Ken +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi, I'm Eb. What's my real name? Well, let's just say Eb is better. Anyway, I'd like to share with you some of my email tricks. They can work on any list, so don't limit them to the Feg list. Here goes: I like to start by saying something outrageous or controversial about something that will likely offend a lot of people. This is kind of like fishing really. I have started with something about the Beatles or not liking Robyn's between-song banter or not liking the Glass Flesh CD concept or just generalizing about the entire list ("empty feg-list word games"). The key is to just "throw in" one of these comments with another post. Its better to start with a vague comment--be specific enough to upset someone, but vague enough to be able to later say what you "really" meant by your supposedly offhand remark. When I clear it up, I'm sure to add some other negative side comment to keep the process going. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, after adding the original comment . . . Someone or something is liable to take the bait & respond--maybe in a nice manner, but hopefully in an angry way. The next step is the response. I usually like to personally attack anyone who responds to my bait (see my "femme fatal on a stick comment" about Susan--good one, huh?). If you don't know enough about the person to do this,I suggest you try to look for something in their response that you can exaggerate and turn against them in some way. This is followed by me then posting in a friendly manner about some other topic, even to the person I just insulted. Hey, you can't be an asshole all the time ;) Then, when the waters have calmed, its time to start the fishing again. Give it a try. Its great--it makes you feel better ("important" even), allows for a lot of posts on any given day to a lot of different people, and its just plain fun to insult others and foster negativity. Love, Eb PS Hey, I'm just being me. PPS Read CS Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" for more good ideas. PPPS If ever confronted about this Method, either attack or just deny and appear flattered by the attention. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini Being a genius is easy. Dept. of Psychology All you have to do is say, "everything is wrong." University of Georgia You'll always be right. Athens, GA -some Ren & Stimpy side character ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The Eb Method? From: guambat@juno.com (Metabolic Toad) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:49:52 EDT Can't say that I really agree(d) with what Eb's been throwin' down lately, but I think this little spoof of Eb is really mean spirited. Come on, people! Play nice! The Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:51:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: A female's curiousity is piqued On Thu, 29 May 1997, Tom Clark wrote: > On 5/28/97 11:17 PM, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell muttered: > > >I will refrain at this time from quoting the one line that gives me > >shivers. Some of you know what it is :). > > "DENNIS!" > > You may get off the floor now, Susan... Not until Robyn gives me his permission :). Love on ya, Susan P.S. I notice someone else quoted it in a post yesterday :) ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:33:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Eb Method? Ken conceived: >I [Eb] like to start by saying something outrageous or controversial about >something that will likely offend a lot of people. This is kind of like >fishing really. I have started with something about the Beatles or not >liking Robyn's between-song banter or not liking the Glass Flesh CD concept or >just generalizing about the entire list ("empty feg-list word games"). Oh, I see. None of these views could possibly be sincere. They're just calculated to provoke. I'm not REALLY a Beatles lover. I don't REALLY get bored with Robyn's live banter. I don't REALLY have much interest in fan tribute compilations. I don't REALLY get tired of all the cutesy-wutesy flirtation on the list. Gotcha. The rest of your comments proceed in the same fashion, assuming that I'm just flame-baiting. Not true. I have strong views. I'm not shy about stating them. That's about all I need to say. Eb PS Is preferring John Lennon over Paul McCartney controversial?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:13:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Dangerous cheeses! (fwd)- only peripheral RH if any This was forwarded to me from someone on the Pynchon list. In the spirit of the person who posted the travel guide to Cleethorpes........ Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* >From today's Grauniad (UK in joke, The Guardian newspaper, reknowned for its typesetting mistakes) Title: 18 injured at cheese races. >At least 18 people were injured yesterday as the Cooper's >Hill cheese rolling competition attracted record crowds in >Gloucestershire. Seven of the casualities were spectators >watching the races down the one-in two hill near Gloucester. > One man in the crowd, who tried to avoid a bouncing Double > Gloucester cheese as it went off course, lost his balance and > fell about 100 feet down the hillside. > One of the winners of the four races, Craig Carter, aged 21, >a postman ... broke his left arm as he tumbled down the hill. >About 4,000 people turned up to watch the annual event. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:46:46 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: The Setlist Rut Dilemma Hey all, Well, I've been reading the various opinions concerning Robyn's current setlists and how they're not varied enough to suit everyone. Yes, perhaps compared with the Robyn of old, his setlists have become less dynamic (e.g., the current I'm Only You / I Am Not Me / I Something You / Freeze middle to the shows...heck, when strung together, even the titles seem to become indistinguishable). But then again, Robyn often had a full band in the past and was certainly more able to play a wider range from his catalogue. If you've got Deni there ready with violin, there's only so many songs that that'll work with. And, I dare say, compared with the majority of acts out there touring around, Robyn's setlists are at least a tad bit less predictable. But, the real point of this diatribe... I've decided to conduct an analytical study, and here's what I propose. For each set of three consecutive gigs (that I have setlists for at any rate), I've first counted the number of different songs played. Then I've divided this by the total number of songs played, to arrive at a ratio. In this way, a 100% means no repeated songs. A 50% means that roughly half of the songs were played more than once (not exactly correct, but you get the idea). A 33% would mean no setlist change whatsoever. So, here's the talley's I've come up with so far: Dates/Cities 2/23/96-2/25/96 / Knoxville - Atlanta 1 60% 2/24/96-2/26/96 / Athens - Atlanta 2 74% 5/21/97-5/23/97 / Chicago - Milwaukee 57% 5/22/97-5/24/97 / Detroit - Minneapolis 62% These figures are a little rough, but they give some clue as to what's going on. Of course, this doesn't take into account the order in which songs are played...if you're gonna play the same songs, is it preferable to at least play them in a different order? Plus, I'd reason that the 74% figure is skewed somewhat since all three gigs occurred within an 80 mile radius of each other and there was an added effort to not repeat too many songs on the two Atlanta nights. Anyway, as you can see, I've got way too much time on my hands... __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:22:15 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: The Eb Method? Sorry to foster a possible divide among fegs, but I tend to agree with Ken's appraisal of the 'Eb Method'. I've thought similar things, just never bothered to say anything. I've seen this method in action many a time and it seldom leads to anything constructive. Strong views are fine, welcome, and often enlightening...in moderation. Hey Eb, nothing personal. __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:37:14 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: The Eb Method? Your approach is Fantasic, Eb.. :) I second your reccommendation of "The Screwtape Letters" CS Lewis is a literary genius. :) (whether you take his 'more good ideas' or not. ;) LSDiamond, who finally admits to liking "Wannabe" just the tiniest bit, and "Lovefool" just a little bit more.................. *awaits the flame* ;) j/k >PS Hey, I'm just being me. > >PPS Read CS Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" for more good ideas. > >PPPS If ever confronted about this Method, either attack or just deny and >appear flattered by the attention. > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ken Sabatini Being a genius is easy. >Dept. of Psychology All you have to do is say, "everything is wrong." >University of Georgia You'll always be right. >Athens, GA > -some Ren & Stimpy side character >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last updated 17 May 1997 http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 me dad just lost our bookmark file. if i need to have your URL, please send it to me! ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:02:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Dangerous cheeses! (fwd)- only peripheral RH if any On Thu, 29 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > >From today's Grauniad (UK in joke, The Guardian newspaper, > reknowned for its typesetting mistakes) > > Title: 18 injured at cheese races. I saw a story about this on CNN last night....! I've lived in the UK for aboiut 6 yrs and am married to a Brit but this is the first time we've ever heard of the cheese race!! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:35:17 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Robyn in Nashville, 2/22/97 (long) On the Cope trade, I've got blank Sony V on hand -- is that acceptable, or do you want a Hi-Fi tape? Lemme know... Here's the setlist from the first gig of this tour, since you don't appear to have saved it! [acoustic] new song -- "Upside-Down" or "Daisy Bomb"? He said he'd never played it before, but he's said that about things he darn well has too, so I dunno... DeChirico Street Balloon Man Chinese Bones 1974 Devil's Coachman I'm Only You I Something You [electric] I Am Not Me You and Oblivion Autumn Is Your Last Chance [YES! the only surprise (for me) of the night] Freeze Only the Stones Remain ------------------------- ENCORES: [acoustic] The Wind Cries Mary I Cheese You [electric] The Speed of Things later, Miles ====================================================================== RH: Uh - no, but I remember Eno had sort of long hair and round blue sunglasses, and he looked like the apex of cool, you know. Eno had two tape recorders and somebody playing a detuned violin, and the violin is going and someone lit a stick of incense. It was fantastic. - Robyn Hitchcock on NPR (transcription courtesy Tracy Aileen Copeland) Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: KCRW Well, I finally listened to last night's performance (05/28). Very Cool! I am kinda bummed though. The radio station has a web cam that allows listeners to see what is going on in the studio during the broadcast. Oh well. Songs (brilliant by the way): Gene Hackman Madonna Of The Wasps Soul Food Shopping List (Homer Song, sung by Tim) Elizabeth Jade I saw Nick Drake Thin (Homer song, sung by Tim) Jewels For Sophia Super Keen (Homer Song, sung by Tim and Robyn) Ring Them Bones Oceanside Ring Them Bones is the song that has been thought of as Beep Beep (or something like that). Overall, pretty amazing. Robyn said that he, Tim, and Scott McCaughey are going to start recording in about 10 days. The album is slated to be called "Robyn Hitchcock Christmas Party" ;) The total run time was under 60min but more than 55min. Unfortunately, my tape has a glitch in it during "Ring Them Bones". Looking very forward to saturday night. griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:41:23 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Robyn in Nashville, 2/22/97 (long) Apologies for that last post -- I had meant to send it only to Mike Runion, and forgot that the orignal message was cc'd to Fegmaniax... Anyway, to pick up on the repetititve Robyn stories/songs thread, as someone else has suggested, I think this is a phenomenon created through Fegmaniax -- if I wasn't on this list, I'd've been amazed and surprised by Robyn's shows this year. As for the stories becoming tiresome -- well, you're watching a different show than me. I'm always entertained by the stories, and consider them an integral part of the show. I'm beginning to think again that Fegmaniax is a list for people who don't like Robyn Hitchcock... later, Miles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .