From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #113 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 113 Tuesday May 27 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Please excuse me wile I choke bananas in detroit Re: Fandom Re: Fandom WXRT setlist? SF Fegs... the condiment which got tomato when it went new world Dougs, drugs and bugs Re: Dougs, drugs and bugs Virtual Cone Museum: Up & Running Re: (Pane in the) Glass Flesh Review Re: Captain Beefheart connection (fwd) Re: Minneapolis show / instore Request for "Beautiful Girl" Tab Wanted: Tapes of Recent Shows TAB site problems Re: Dougs, drugs and bugs Re: Beep? Peep? Terry, need an email address Re: words and laws RE: Captain Beefheart connection last call Robyn the comedian, and other stuff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:52:59 +0000 From: am@enterprise.net (The King of the Archway Mods) Subject: Please excuse me wile I choke A usually reliable source has informed me that five of the songs on the Spice Girls' first album, including 'Wannabe', were written by a certain Mr KImberley Rew. Tssk. If anyone can confirm this for certain one way or the other, I'd be most awfully interested... Officially, all the songs were written by Geri Halliwell, but since I know for certain that most of them were written before she joined the band, I don't believe it for an instant. Certainly, a lot of the song structures on the album are very similar to a lot of his output (including some things which are pretty uncommon in pop, like the multiple-overlaid time signatures and the deliberate disharmonies). Also, I've spotted him in the audience at two SGs gigs. I'll buttonhole him at his next London gig (5 April) and try to get a definite answer, but if anyone knows I'd be very interested. He's not been answering my e-mail on the matter, and is unphonable right now. Apologies if this has already been mentioned by someone else (I've been a bit lax recently about reading everything). and b) this is unconfirmed but from a Very Reliable Source - does anyone know for certain one way or the other? Aidan ------------------------------------ Boring Sig File bit - Please stop sending mail to the PVs PO box coz it's expired PVs book is 3/4 done and might actually be appearing this summer (only 2 years late) Please all go out and buy BOP's new single Teenage Sex/16 Years Old out now on Future Legend Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 17:55:20 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: bananas in detroit Just reading through the digests I missed while I was away. in #108 jbj asked... Was the green cone up there? The lamp? the fruit? The banana with seeds? John, I hope your move goes/went okay... and F.Y.I...the banana with the seeds made a 'guest appearance' at the Detroit show, but sadly, the poor banana remained next to Robyn's tea all night, unpeeled and unused. Randi "if you don't like asparagus you shouldn't ask for it" - RH ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Fandom > I did not say that one necessarily lusts after everyone one admires. If > you took it that way I am sorry, but I think you are probably just teasing > :) :). Anyway, I was merely trying to explain that it isn't quite the same > thing as some guy drooling over Spice Girl #2. It has a hell of a lot to > do with the -music-, and I am insulted that people have implied otherwise. > I am no teenybopper. I'll stack my music knowledge up against yours any > old time. Well, I didn't meant o imply that at all. Your posts have had a lot more depth than "Isn't that RObyn guy just *dreamy*"... > Besides, Brian Wilson hasn't been svelte for a looooong time! :) Not that long. During the Landy years, he slimmed down a lot. He looks pretty thin on the cover of Sweet Instanity (1988, I believe). He probably hasn't bulked up that much since then... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:48:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fandom Terrence wrote to Susan: >Well, I didn't meant to imply that at all. Your posts have had a lot more >depth than "Isn't that Robyn guy just *dreamy*"... Well, at least, other than the day after the show. ;) >> Besides, Brian Wilson hasn't been svelte for a looooong time! :) > >Not that long. During the Landy years, he slimmed down a lot. He looks >pretty thin on the cover of Sweet Instanity (1988, I believe). He >probably hasn't bulked up that much since then... Oh yes, he has. I saw him at a Wondermints show a year or two ago. He was fairly massive again. :( Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 19:27:20 -0500 From: John Subject: WXRT setlist? chicago fegs: I think i deleted the WXRT setlist. i can't find it anywhere. can someone send me the listing? thanks much from a small town in ohio. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 17:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Wet Toast Tweezers Subject: SF Fegs... for those in the bay area who do not have Pop Culture Press and The BOB, both with free discs with robyn tracks, they can be had at Open Mind Music on Divisdero (right across from Coltrane's store-front church, the 300 block, i think). the grand total for both was a stellar seven bucks. on a note of the PCP cover and to revisit an old thread--one can clearly see the longish nails of bobby and on the cover how that long thumb nail comes in to use. also, the haircut on the cover is actually a good one, even if the picture may be an old one. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: the condiment which got tomato when it went new world whoah! so many posts, so little time! now here's my holiday mostly gone already. it's been a while since i've looked in on fegland; a couple comments/questions... i'm a little troubled by the way that reading fegmail seems once again to require the donning of at minimum a set of flame retardant pj's, so please don't take this the wrong way, but... have any of the camp advocating the nonessentialness of drummers actually been *in* a band? i will grant that there are many overindulgent showoffs (tho not as many as guitarists, i'd wager) and plenty of marginal competency in the major label ranks. i'll also grant that some good and interesting work has been done with drum machines, although i think most of it is music that deals thematically with loss of humanity/individuality/emotion (big black, anyone?). but there is no comparison between playing with a good drummer and a bad one. there's a whole world of subtlety the machines can't touch; the way a drummer can push the beat just a smidgeon for a chorus, or pull a beat to add tension to a lyrically or musically dramatic moment. ringo and moe tucker do indeed spring to my mind as drummers no program i know of could more than approximate. my gratuitous vote for most indespensible drummer of all time: art blakey. what a monster. on the blood two years later bit -- my guess is that it refers to the eventual conclusion of the sitch described in 'freeze' -- the cruel but fair justice elaine perhaps becoming more cruel and less fair? or just the way the worm turns? but anyway, definitely tied to freeze. and on the rambling bits -- i liked them a lot better when they seemed less rehearsed too. and i do think they were less rehearsed -- in fact one of my most prized moments of rh-concert attendance was at one of the old 9.30 club gigs when robyn stopped in mid monologue with words to the effect of "don't clap when it's not any good. if i get unconditional approval i could turn into clapton or springsteen or something." when the set list and the patter are the same in every damn city, rock'n'roll starts to turn into one of those horrid tour buses in which everyone has the same prefabricated experienceless experience, learning the exact same historical minutia in the exact same order. one of the most weirdly sad things i ever read, in this wise, was an interview with, like, the lead guitarist of journey, a dozen years ago or so at their apex of commercial success (or possibly just after) in which he lamented that they only played 'very good shows' -- whereas in the past they had played some lame shows, some good shows, and a few great ones. i took him to mean that the potential for greatness was only there when the potential for falling flat on yr ass was too -- with which view i tend to agree. anyway, i think robyn's a long way away from prepackaged sterile verygoodalwaysness -- but i would rather no monologue than carefully-crafted repeat ones. i thought the madlib tales of suspense bit, despite its obvious artificiality, was a not-bad-at-all compromise. (incidentally, it's weird how the instant world-wide reportage of every freakin' concert by anybody anywhere shatters the myths of spontaneity in many touring rawk shows, ain't it?) y'know, folks, i'm reading david foster wallace's _infinite jest_, and i fear it's having a devastating effect on my prose style...sorry about that, chief... d. p.s. i'm happy to be in K's harem anytime... - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:19:14 -0400 From: WISNIEWSKI Subject: Dougs, drugs and bugs -- Kay Lord Wisniewski Wis@Worldnet.Att.Net Terry, Terry, its something about how females are built. We hear, we relate, we lust. For men I believe the process tends to be reversed. This is why singer-songwriters always always pull the most women. And Mike Love none. Quail,--Alas Mr K is of much the same opinion as Mrs Quail--in reality --but I wasnt talking reality. Asking men to marry me is my way of complementing them. About a year ago when I proposed to Doug it was because he defended me against a dastard. It was my way of saying thank you. Mrs Quail can set her mind at ease, much as I delight in the picture you paint, my request was rhetorical, a way of saying--thank you for some great posts. Thank you. The Nick drake Ive always listenned to has been in LP form(of which there are 3)--so Im no help on the CD variety. But enjoy-drake is like a stange drug, an alternative reality, as a Lovecraft fan you will be interested. Susan---yes sweat, but what sort? stale overpowering gross out sweat or fresh male scent, piquant yet rich? Hey--what can I say--as a middle-aged very married lady, I at least can have a vivid fantasy life. shall we reopen the chateau for the summer?:-) K, who has a tendancy to run on in matters of sex, Dougs, and religion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 21:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Dougs, drugs and bugs On Mon, 26 May 1997, WISNIEWSKI wrote: > Terry, Terry, its something about how females are built. We hear, > we relate, we lust. For men I believe the process tends to be > reversed. not always! (did someone say liz phair? or sally timms? ...*swoon*... ) > Quail,--Alas Mr K is of much the same opinion as Mrs Quail--in reality > --but I wasnt talking reality. Asking men to marry me is my way of > complementing them. About a year ago when I proposed to Doug it was ...'s funny how one's own words look different when they come flying back through the mailbox, and given that there were no smileys adorning my little crack about harems, i just thought i'd state for the record that the 'harem' bit was a to-be-taken-in-fun bit, and i that i took (and deeply appreciate) Lord K's proposal in the spirt in which it was intended. d. - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:58:21 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Virtual Cone Museum: Up & Running Hey all, The Unofficial Robyn Hitchcock Virtual Cone Museum (Version 1.0) is now up and running at the following URL: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cones.htm Comments and suggestions most definitely accepted. Of course, there's only one cone currently available to be viewed, but hopefully the site can grow. It's up to you guys... And yeah, I guess I'll take my chances on the copyright thing (rogue that I am). __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: (Pane in the) Glass Flesh Review Date: Tue, 27 May 97 07:05:56 -0000 From: The Great Quail Eb laments: >Firstly, I've been a big Vic CHESNUTT fan from the beginning, and my pet >peeve is everyone who constantly misspells his name! :( Doh! I screwed up, I'm sorry. Mea culpa - I should have known better. >Secondly, Chesnutt's superb 1996 album About To Choke has ZERO Michael >Stipe input, as far as I can see. Vic hardly needs to rest on Stipe's >laurels. :( Eb . . . . I *like* Vic. I was just taking a friendly jab at Michael Stipe, that's all - *not* at Vic. I mean, Stipe's played on or produced albums from both Vic and the Indigo Girls (Hence the Athens comment, home of REM) *and* he does backup vocals on Robyn's "She Doesn't Exist." He was more noticed in his absence, and all that. Sorry if I pressed your Vic button the wrong way - it was unintentional. The Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:21:14 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart connection (fwd) Hi gang This is the definitive response from Don van Vliet guru Justin Sherrill to dench's original post. JS appears to have reharsal tapes from TMR(!) and I think he knows as much as anybody about the recording of the album. The "other fellow" referred to in his post is Bob Krasnow of Blue THunb records. Now read on. - Mike Godwin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:36:03 -0400 (EDT) >From: Justin Sherrill >To: M R Godwin >Subject: Re: Captain Beefheart connection (fwd) > >Here's my comments... > >>'Trout Mask Replica' has an interesting background. It was produced by >>Zappa, the Captain's old school friend, and Zappa and his engineer, whose >>name temporarily eludes me, recorded the music without letting the Magic >>Band members hear each other. Zappa then got Beefheart to record his >>vocals without letting him hear the recorded backing track. As a result > >Dick Kunc is the engineer. You can hear him on the Zappa "Lost Episodes" CD. >The band members were able to hear each other - The recording was originally >done on portable equipment at the house the Magic Band lived in, with each band >member playing in separate rooms (apparently to make it more "natural") - I >have tapes from this time - you can certainly hear all the band members. >There's interesting bits where Don wanders in and out of mic range while the >band plays... Anyway, they all heard each other - Don comlained about sound >quality and so they went into the studio and recorded - apparently played the >whole album through with hardly any retakes - took one day. Zappa was rumored >to have fallen asleep at the soundboard while the band played. > >>when he finally heard the album he went ballistic and began the process of >>suing the engineer! However, when he saw the reviews of the album that >>mostly seemed to think it was some higher form of art, he dropped the suit >>and began to accept the praise. It is worth noting that his next album, >>'Lick My Decals Off, Baby' is in exactly the same style. > >He never sued Dick Kunc. This sounds like confusion with the story of the >earlier album "Strictly Personal", where the album was remixed by another >fellow and then released with all sorts of silly phasing and so on to make it >"psychedelic" - a style _not_ repeated by the Magic Band at any point. > >'Lick My Decals Off, Baby' is actually somewhat different from TMR, for what's >it's worth, especially since they had one less guitarist and one more >percussionist. > >Please forward this to the Robyn Hitchcock list - also, Moris Tepper, one of >the later Magic Band members, is playing with Robyn in concert in a few days. >(I talked to Moris earlier tonight, by chance.) > > Justin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:27:04 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Minneapolis show / instore > I Often Dream Of Trains (He dedicated it to someone named Jim Walsh, and > did the same last year. Is Jim a musician from Minnesota?) This may be a horrible, horrible coincidence, but I think Jim Walsh is the name of the father of Brandon and Brenda Walsh on the terrible show, Beverly Hills, 90210. They started in Minnesota, and moved to Beverlee.... I shudder to think.... James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:32:04 -0700 From: Chris Soriano Subject: Request for "Beautiful Girl" Tab Has anyone figured out the tablature to Robyn's "Beautiful Girl" off the "Eye" album? I would really appreciate it if someone posts it...I have looked through OLGA and the "Unofficial Robyn Hitchcock Tab Site" at http://www.lsli.com/tabs.htm as well as Tab USA. My motives are two-fold: 1) I really like the song and want to play it and 2)My friend wants to play it to his bride-to-be when they get married since it was a song he sang to her when they were falling in love (I know, sob, sob). Thank you. Chris hopper@loop.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:16:40 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Wanted: Tapes of Recent Shows Hello all, I'd really like to get my hands on some of Robyn's recent shows (as would most of this list, I assume), especially the 5/24/97 Minneapolis gig. I have much to trade. Thanks in advance. Mike ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Tue, 27 May 97 09:08:17 Subject: TAB site problems OK folks....If everything starts falling together here I hope to be in a new job by the end of summer which means that I'm not going to have access to the server that the tab site is residing upon....so I'm looking for someone to adopt it. I don't know if Woj wants it or if it should be a separate site...so talk amongst your selves and let me know who I should send the core files to.... Cheers Jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 5/27/97 Its the thought that counts, and I think I'm a bit too broke. ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:35:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Dougs, drugs and bugs On Mon, 26 May 1997, WISNIEWSKI wrote: > Susan---yes sweat, but what sort? stale overpowering gross out sweat > or fresh male scent, piquant yet rich? Um, without waxing too hormonally poetic, the latter :). > Hey--what can I say--as > a middle-aged very married lady, I at least can have a vivid fantasy > life. shall we reopen the chateau for the summer?:-) Ha! I had forgotten about that! :) As far as I'm concerned the chateau is always open. Do remember, Kay, not to be selfish. You must share Robyn with the rest of us (I guess that means that I get Jarvis Cocker while you're busy with him :)). Love on ya, Susan the double Gemini who always wanted a harem too :) ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Terry_Linnig@hccompare.com Date: Tue, 27 May 97 09:46:58 cst Subject: Re: Beep? Peep? Robyn sang this on the WMSE Milwaukee interview along with "Gene Hackman" and "If you here music". The interview was lame (Robyn asked more questions than received) but the songs were great. Terry ~~~~ Charles Gillett wrote: > 5/24/97 Cedar Cultural Center, Minneapolis MN > Beep Beep (or Peep Peep? Something about bones? Possibly Loop the > Loop?) Thanks for this memory jogger, Charles. He did a portion of this at the Chicago soundcheck as well (I remember the "Peep, Peep" 's, but had no idea at the time what it was and forgot to mention it!) It's definitely a new song, and definitely not "Loop The Loop". Keep those setlists coming! Who has tapes of this or Let It Be records? hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:51:45 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Terry, need an email address Sorry to bug the list, Hey Terry, Got your message back about the Minneapolis gig (RE: Wanted: Tapes of Recent Shows), but I didn't get an return email address from you. Would love to talk to you about this. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:04:05 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: words and laws On Sun, 25 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > Is this one of those things that's spelled differently in England? Definitely 'artefact' round here - I have never seen any other spelling. Mike Godwin, Bath, England. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:10:17 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin fegmaniax@clairseach.ecto.org Subject: RE: Captain Beefheart connection On Sun, 25 May 1997, LSDiamond wrote: > I always thought he said "It's just a 109 zone..." My question is > what does 109 have to do with anything? Support at last! Just a thought: is the lyric different on the Portland Arms, which is the version I know best, and the other one, wherever it is? Everyone is agreed that the 109 is a Messerschmidt single-seat fighter aircraft of the 1939-45 war, and that this is consequently an RH 'I wanna destroy you' type reference. - Mike Godwin PS Do you remember those Messerschmidt bubble cars that they used to make out of old Me109 cockpits? ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 00:35:07 -0700 Subject: last call so once again i'm at the mercy of the server gods, and haven't been able to read recent digests. I saw a copy of the BELLS OF RHYMNEY 12" today for $14.00. i paid 40 bones for this a couple years ago, so i guess it's a pretty good deal. if anybody wants me to pick it up for them, let me know. how is the new Fogerty rekkid? has anyone heard it? is it so good that it ought to be purchased new, or should i wait until i can find a used copy? i'll be out of town next Sunday-Wednesday (chasing robyn!), so the deadline to get your favorite movies in will be moved back to whenever i return on Wednesday. probably late afternoon. however, this is your last reminder: send your ten all-time favorite movies to tews@vcommons.com. thanks a bunch! ------------------------------ From: "Lee Gray" Subject: Robyn the comedian, and other stuff Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:20:51 -0500 About this "Robyn blabbing too much" debate... In Minneapolis, I was thinking about that, and although I too sometimes get a little tired of his "spontaneous" stories, I was sitting there thinking of him as a comedian on stage. (It even seemed that Tim was his mostly-silent "straight man" to play off of) So what do you think of comedians? They certainly rehearse their material and we don't fault them for it! If Robyn crafts his little stories, so what? They are *still* funny (mostly) and as someone else said, it's not like we all follow him around for every show so that we actually do have to hear the same ones repeated all the time. So heck, enjoy 'em! (or go see someone else perform) About Mossy Liquor... Well, I'm slow to enter here. I finally bought the damn thing after months of refusing to bow to this marketing ploy. I'm trying to get rid of my turntable, dammit! But, at Let It Be records in Minneapolis I hadn't brought anything for him to sign, unprepared as I was having flown in from Louisiana! So I finally bought it... and LOVE it! Jeeze, I wish the release had been the other way around! Yeah, I know, this has be discussed way too much. About that Swedish "Alright Yeah"... At Let It Be Robyn said Tim did the translation... thought that "spontaneous" story was cute. Are there any Swedes in Fegmaniax? How's the translation? (Sorry if this one has made the rounds too). --< Lee Gray >-- leeg@prysm.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .