From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #110 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 110 Sunday May 25 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: fwd: Virtual Cone Museum One more Wednesday night Re: Virtual Cone Museum compilation tape Re: Detroit?? robynbase detroit show setlist from randi Re: robynbase Re: One more Wednesday night Bob Dylan's Birthday with Robyn in Minneapolis Re: Blabblab Re: Blabblab Beep? Peep? Cynthia Re: Cynthia Re: Blabblab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:48:37 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: fwd: Virtual Cone Museum >hey, I was just trying (unsuccessfully) to find the cone 34 site! is it >still out there? > > -rr Yep. Try: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cone34.htm (Click on the earth at the bottom to go elsewhere...) __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 15:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. B. Renoir" Subject: One more Wednesday night OK, here's my collective recollection of the Chicago show. The good news is, a local Chicago cable program was on hand to film parts of the show, and Jay's interview with Robyn Wednesday afternoon. The bad news is, to help the group figure out what they wanted to film during the show, the whole set list was compiled beforehand, so there were no requests. The _really_ bad news is that that meant that I knew before the show began that Robyn wasn't going to do "Dead Wife". But the really good news is that Brian the balcony filmer what filmed from the balcony let me copy the set list, which is appended hereto (with an approximation of some of Robyn's chats in brackets): Acoustic: Gene Hackman Cynthia Mask ["1974 was like being at home, well enough to be out of bed but too sick to go out anywhere, and you look outside on a gray August afternoon and see your neighbor's clothes line. By 1974, the liberals had lost their steam, and the conservatives had not yet counterattacked."] 1974 ["I saw Hendrix live the last time Jimi played in England. I saw a tape of it recently; Hendrix played like an animal; the original 12 bar blues tune disappeared completely beneath Jimi's wailings."] The Wind Cried Mary [Enter Tim on second guitar] DeChirico Street Madonna of the Wasps Jewels for Sophia [I agree with Susan: An excellent new song.] [Exuent Tim] I'm Only You Glass Hotel I Something You Electric Set: I am not me You and Oblivion Airscape Freeze Kingdom of Love Heliotrope [??] ["This is a song about my mother:"] I Often Dream of Trains ["This is where I want to be buried:"] Oceanside Queen of Eyes Beautiful Queen I see that my list differs from Hal's in two respects: We have Cynthia and Mary reversed, and he has no Heliotrope. I have to admit, I don't remember hearing the latter, but it was on Brian's list. I don't remember which order Robyn did the other two in. I recall another comment Robyn made during the course of the evening, which has been alluded to on the list. It went something like: "You know, these tours are really just to sell t-shirts. Mick Jagger told me that just last week, when we were skydiving. We had just jumped out of the DC-3, and he turned to me and said, 'You know, Robyn, the only reason for our tours is to sell t-shirts.' It was only after we reached the ground that I realized that Mick had nicked my wallet. Probably to buy Keith a birthday present. So I'm phasing them out. We've still got some out front, but that's it. Instead, I've got some cones I've drawn on, and they're for sale out front, too." After the show, Jay (nearing godhood, on and off) Hedblade got Robyn's permission to bring a cadre of fegs to talk with him awhile. Among the things I recall, he said that he liked to have more material to choose from than just what would fit onto the album. He likened it to mineral water working its way down from a mountain to a glacial pool, and said that's why he prefers Queen Elvis to Globe of Frogs--there was next to no material to select out from the latter. He said that as much as he liked all of the Elixir/Liquor material, he was glad that songs like Trilobite weren't on the CD, because they'd probably have worn out their welcome after a half dozen listenings or so. He also remarked that he wished he had the luxury of sitting on material for five years before deciding what was the best of it, but that, unlike Peter Gabriel, he wasn't that rich. He also said that he doesn't plan to get involved personally with the Internet, because (while he doesn't mind his fan element here) he intends to make his decisions on albums and such on his own. He didn't rule out the possibility that maybe some day, after an album is released, the completists can order alternate takes and leftover songs via the Web (although he thought that would take most of the fun out of being a completist). On the subject of things that Fegmaniax were hoping to see on CD, he doesn't care that much for Portland Arms ("It was just a live set by some young guys at Cambridge"), so he's not anxious to see it re-released; he also doubted whether we'd see a CD of the Dylan show, either. He didn't seem to mind if we all do our completist best to get copies of the material, though. Last memory: He started the show with a cotton shirt and vest, then switched to the polka dots. After the show, he was back in the original garb. Whelp, that's all I can dredge up. Is someone collecting our collective recollections somewhere? Dave. (Please excuse the odd line wraps; pine and I differ as to how wide my margins ought to be.) David Witzany witzany@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 16:01:29 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: Virtual Cone Museum At 04:24 PM 5/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi. This sounds like a great idea but you might want to check out the >copyright issue first. The band Oasis is threatening to sue the people >who run their web site (maybe it's unofficial) for publishing certain >photos and things on the site without permission. I realize that Robyn >isn't Oasis and he probably wouldn't care, but it wouldn't hurt to be >safe. I'd hate for you to go to a lot of trouble and then get a note >from Rhino saying "uh, excuse us, but that artwork is copyrighted." I >know they really probably wouldn't, but you just never know. Hmmm. I know absolutely nothing about copyright law, but it seems to me that if Robyn drew each cone separately, on his own sittin' in the tour bus or whatever, and then sold them to people...it's just hard for me to imagine someone/anyone being able to tell me what to do with said artwork that I myself purchased. Any lawyers out there? __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: compilation tape On Fri, 23 May 1997, the woj of noise wrote: > > also sprach john: > >It seems like these compilations are always made during the summer. I > >think once this 2nd foot is over that someone will compile a tape of songs. > > i'd be happy to do so again, but i doubt i will have the time. anybody else > want to step up to the plate? I'll step forward. I hope to have all the new stuff collected before summer's end, and I have a few things left over from _unhatched crablings_, too. wonder when the next album is due? not for a while i suppose, since the soundtrack will be coming out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Detroit?? I know someone who saw and taped the detroit gig at the Magic Stick, but a full review has not yet been forthcoming. All I know is it was a "serious" show that started with gene hackman and then all "serious" songs. i'll post when i know more. My friend got to go backstage and chat with robyn too, so fear not .chris, the entire feg legion may be snacking on prawns with rawbin before _you know t_ (sue you think you're in...) On Sat, 24 May 1997, John wrote: > Hal said: > >Now...what happened in Detroit? Anyone? > > Yeah! Do fegs exist in Detroit? Or maybe someone made a road trip?? > > And what about tapes of Chicago gig? Do they exist? > > > > -jbj > > /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- > John B. Jones > e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu > web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones > > "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." > -Robyn Hitchcock > \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 21:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: robynbase microsoft mavens, it's your last chance to download Robynbase before it goes online in the coming week or so-- download it from http://158.72.85.157 and take a look-- you'll need MS ACCESS 7.0 or 97. =bayard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 21:04:34 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: detroit show setlist from randi Hi all, Just got home from Detroit...I'll start with the setlist... ...acoustic... Gene Hackman Lysander Serpent At The Gates Of Wisdom Clean Steve - using a "d" harmonica and some fab lyrics ...joined by Tim... De Chirico Street Madonna Of The Wasps ***new song - possibly titled "Elizabeth Jane" RH introduced - "this song has never been played anywhere at all...it's being test driven specifically here in Detroit" my fave line - "oh elizabeth jane I love the way your triangle's displayed"*** ...exit Tim... I'm Only You ...electric... I Am Not Me You and Oblivion She Doesn't Exist Freeze Kingdom Of Love (yeah!) Speed Of Things ...encore...with Tim... Oceanside Queen Of Eyes Beautiful Queen The drive home (to Toronto) from Detroit took 5 hours, so I'm zonked or I would write more commentary. I loved the show, yes I taped it, and I had a nice chat with both Robyn and Steve (his new manager, also works with the Dear Janes.) I will post again with some of the more interesting tidbits of info from my evening. I'm so so so happy I went, even though I couldn't afford it, but I'm sad that Robyn only played two new songs. Granted, "Elizabeth Jane" is a brand new song, he hasn't even written the last line of the song yet, but I'm jealous of all of you who have heard so much new stuff...... BTW, the compilation tape idea appeals to me too... If anyone wants more Detroit details e-mail me, but as I said I'll post again... Randi p.s. hi to mike - who will be getting a tape and hi beth and mary - fegs i met up with at the gig "You know 'way to go' rhymes with 'vertigo' but not very well" - RH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:27:50 -0500 (CDT) From: John Littlejohn Subject: Re: robynbase On Sat, 24 May 1997, Bayard wrote: > microsoft mavens, it's your last chance to download Robynbase What's all this, then? -* "Si vous m'obstaclerez, je vous liquiderai" - Churchill -* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:37:01 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: Fegmaniax Subject: Re: One more Wednesday night J. B. Renoir wrote: > I see that my list differs from Hal's in two respects: We have Cynthia > and Mary > reversed, and he has no Heliotrope. I kept the setlist song-by-song so I stand by the accuracy ( I wasn't even drinking!) He most definitely didn't do Heliotrope (one of my faves from ME...actually I prefer the ML version, but that's another story.) hal ------------------------------ From: "Charles Gillett" Subject: Bob Dylan's Birthday with Robyn in Minneapolis Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 02:26:32 Hi all - A couple hours before the show proper, Robyn and Tim played at Let It Be Records in Minneapolis: Antwoman My Favorite Buildings (dedicated to the Foshay Tower) DeChirico Street Jewels for Sophia Alright Yeah Elizabeth Jade ...and here's the show setlist as best I could make it out. I was able to identify some of the new songs as the ones that have been discussed 'round here lately, but a couple are still mysteries to me. 5/24/97 Cedar Cultural Center, Minneapolis MN + = with Tim Keegan * = electric Daisy Bomb Beep Beep (or Peep Peep? Something about bones? Possibly Loop the Loop?) Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom Trilobite DeChirico Street+ Madonna of the Wasps+ Nick Drake+ (what's the real title? It was all "I saw Nick Drake...etc") Glass Hotel A song mentioning a Gypsy and a beautiful dancing girl* Queen Jane Approximately* Raymond Chandler Evening* You & Oblivion* Freeze* ==E:1== Gene Hackman Oceanside+* Alright Yeah+* Beautiful Queen+* ==E:2== I Often Dream of Trains* (dedicated to his mother and local music critic Jim Walsh) Nothing galls me more than sending out a setlist with incomplete info, but in this case I believe speed is probably more important than accuracy. The show was as good as his last show at the Cultural Center, which was a billion times better than his last show at the crowded, smelly First Avenue. Which isn't to say I necessarily dislike First Avenue. Anyway.... Robyn was quite talkative, pondering why it is we wear clothes when, if we didn't, after a few generations we'd all grow a thick rind and "possibly a genital modesty flap." He also chatted about Charles Aznavour's giraffe hangup and described in vivid detail a chance meeting with Eric Clapton, who (in this particular mythology) was responsible for the cones merchandise. Robyn explained that just as humans exist to replicate DNA, so rock 'n' roll exists to replicate t-shirts. Whilst looking for an alternative, Robyn met Clapton at a time when Clapton was a fish in a large tank. Clapton mouthed "cones" at Robyn, and thus was born these lovely $15 darlings we all covet so. I handled mine gingerly as I made my way home, and now it's sitting on one of my speakers. A friend of mine bought two--the glutton! First things last: Tim Keegan was a very good opening act, I thought. I was tempted to purchase a Homer item, but then I realized that that would require money, of which I had none after buying my cone. I hope you folks can fill in the question marks in my setlist, and I'll post more details if they surface in my teeny brain. -- Charles Gillett gill0042@tc.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 01:08:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Blabblab Charles wrote: >Robyn was quite talkative.... So what is new? ;) I tell ya, I'm utterly sick of the contrived off-the-wall ramblings between songs. Why can't he tell us something REAL about the song to come, rather than just showing off how eccentric/whimsical/tangential he is? Or just talk less, period? Robyn's playing out here on the 30th, and I think I'm going to skip it. I just think of another acoustic show listening to him prattle on endlessly between tunes, and I cringe. Sorry, Robyn -- maybe next tour. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 09:46:20 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Re: Blabblab Eb wrote: > I tell ya, I'm utterly sick of the contrived off-the-wall ramblings between > songs. Why can't he tell us something REAL about the song to come, rather > than just showing off how eccentric/whimsical/tangential he is? > I just think of another acoustic show listening to him > prattle on endlessly between tunes, and I cringe. While I feel that his sets/raps have become a bit repetitive of late (compared to the free-wheeling setlists of the "EYE" Tour, let's say), I think what he actually says when setting up a tune HAS become more "real". The Knoxville, TN. show on 2.23.97 included an anti-pornography rap right after the second book reading that was the most real he's ever gotten. I've even heard him intro a song using the REAL TITLE a few times, something unheard of until recently. Maybe you should catch a new show after all, Eb. hal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 09:54:20 -0500 From: Hal Brandt Subject: Beep? Peep? Charles Gillett wrote: > 5/24/97 Cedar Cultural Center, Minneapolis MN > Beep Beep (or Peep Peep? Something about bones? Possibly Loop the > Loop?) Thanks for this memory jogger, Charles. He did a portion of this at the Chicago soundcheck as well (I remember the "Peep, Peep" 's, but had no idea at the time what it was and forgot to mention it!) It's definitely a new song, and definitely not "Loop The Loop". Keep those setlists coming! Who has tapes of this or Let It Be records? hal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 97 15:34:57 UT From: "HRH BECKY" Subject: Cynthia Here's a question I just have to ask; forgive me if it's been covered before I began lurking a few months ago......is Robyn still with Cynthia? By this I mean the woman he used to refer to in shows all the time a few years ago as his girlfriend, dedicating songs to her, etc. Thanks (from someone who would have wild but useless hope at the fact that he's single again...!) HRH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Cynthia Now he's living with Michele, the dark princess; and their cat Figaro. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Blabblab Eb wrote: > I tell ya, I'm utterly sick of the contrived off-the-wall ramblings between > songs. Why can't he tell us something REAL about the song to come, rather > than just showing off how eccentric/whimsical/tangential he is? It's kind of fun to figure out on one's own what the song is really about, I think. Though I guess it's a bit more work. As a collector, I grow tired of hearing the same description half a dozen times, but even still he varies things a bit, and he comes up with some pretty interesting things. Though personally I didn't think much of the book readings, it seemd like a contrived "Mad Libs". > I just think of another acoustic show listening to him > prattle on endlessly between tunes, and I cringe. you'll never know unless you go... IMHO a robyn show with a silent robyn btw songs would be no robyn show at all, impersonal and almost scary... one might as well go see Tom Petty. Just remember, he still talks just a fraction as much as Billy Bragg or Dick Dale. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .