From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #105 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 105 Wednesday May 21 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: *Robyn on WXRT* Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME Re: *Robyn on WXRT* Re: Drummers... WXRT performance Re: *Robyn on WXRT* RH proported as God Re: RH proported as God Do you have a question for Robyn? F***in' Tape Decks Re: promotional stuff The second foot Portland stuff...? Re: The second foot Stand Back Dennis Re: Drummers... Re: Drummers... adults only Re: Do you have a question for Robyn? Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME Meeting of the HOB-Robyns Re: adults only ISO Canadian record store/mail order Re: robyn = god man who invented himself Re: man who invented himself it's a winston churchill evening ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:00:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Valenta Michael Brage Subject: Re: *Robyn on WXRT* On Tue, 20 May 1997, Hal Brandt wrote: > Chicago area Robyn fans/tapers, > > I just heard from a reliable source that Robyn will be on WXRT > in Chicago tonight @ 7:00 PM Central. If you get a good tape of this, > please let me know! Thanks for the info. I'm heading down to dinner, but I'll throw a 110 minute cassette into the deck and let everyone know when I get back. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:46:41 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Subject: Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME >And I still say that "In My Room" is a well-done, complex song..The >beatles didn't invent that, you know... Neither did Brian Wilson, although I agree with you about "In My Room". I am getting tired of the "real music started around 1965" attitude that seems prevalent on this list--it's a very myopic perspective. I'd recommend Greil Marcus's book on Bob Dylan's basement tapes which discusses Dylan's huge debt to traditional American music to anyone who holds this opinion. Dylan didn't come out of nowhere, and neither did the Beatles, Beach Boys, or anyone else. They all created some very good music, and much of it sounded very different from what had come before it--that's no reason to denigrate every song written before as somehow being "shallow teenybopper music" (not that I pesonally have anything against shallow teenybopper music myself). If you don't feel like exploring music made before the 60s fine, but don't slag all of it on the basis of the few songs you've heard on oldies radio--that's like dismissing all contemporary music after only having heard The Spice Girls. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:55:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: *Robyn on WXRT* On Tue, 20 May 1997, Matthew Valenta wrote: > > Chicago area Robyn fans/tapers, > > > > I just heard from a reliable source that Robyn will be on WXRT > > in Chicago tonight @ 7:00 PM Central. If you get a good tape of this, > > please let me know! > > Thanks for the info. I'm heading down to dinner, but I'll throw a 110 > minute cassette into the deck and let everyone know when I get back. Just popped a tape into the deck and am ready to go. Thanks for the info. I'm willing to dub it for those who want a copy. I'm warning you, though, that I have a fairly crappy deck and others will probably come out with better copies. The meeting plans so far- Well, I will be looking for you people outside around 5ish (if I make it that early, Hal- I might not :)). Most of you will remember what I look like from the last show. If you weren't there and don't know, look for a tall skinny pale chick with long dark hair at the bar nursing a Guinness and puffing on a Camel, that will be me (or someone that looks like me :)). Feg on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:06:23 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Drummers... The resurgent Rexy Stardust spake thusly: >Ahem... but in general, I agree that drummers are USUALLY disposible. > Someone cited Keith Moon as an exception, and someone else listed off a >bunch of the worst prog-rock wankers ever as some other exceptions. That's >part of the problem with the Who in general-- what the Who were and did were >so thoroughly beautiful and right, but they also pointed the way for some of >the people who almost ruined pop music by hewing to, and perverting, some of >the Who's innovations (I think also of the Jimi Hendrix Experience here). > "Virtuoso" drumming-- and the ultimate excesses of drum solos, giant gongs, >etc-- was the unfortunate result. Ecchhh. More of a symptom of the times than a deficiency of any of those drummers, and those "solos, giant gongs, etc." are something that looks a lot more silly from the perspective of 1997 (or anytime after the punk/new wave explosion, really) than it did in 1970 or 1974. ELP, Yes, King Crimson, and Gabriel-era Genesis resonated with the same young, artsy, intelligent demographic for which the cutting edge always has the most appeal. It's real easy to sneer now and say that the *really* cool stuff of those times was the MC5, New York Dolls, and Stooges, but (for those of us who came of age musically in the post-punk world) how many of us would have *really* perceived that at the time? I mean, there but for the fact that I was born in 1967 instead of 1957 go I. And Bill Bruford, who I'm assuming Rex is tarring with his rather impressively wide brush, has proven with his work in the latter two King Crimson incarnations that he's not only a virtuoso but someone who can use that virtuosity to *support* a song rather than dominate it. > I think Moon also retains some >dignity in the face of this by being pressed together with the other >instruments in the mix. He's arguably playing the lead instrument in the >band at times... even at their most jam-oriented, the Who sounded like an >ensemble thanks to, not in spite of, Keith Moon. My first Who albums were the post-Keith efforts like FACE DANCES. I thought they were pretty good, and wondered why everyone seemed disappointed with Kenny Jones. Then my mom got me a videocassette of THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT for Christmas one year (1983, I'm thinking), and, ohmygod, I suddenly saw just what everyone else had known -- just one minute of seeing the Who with Keith Moon on stage was exponentially more intense than the Who I had seen and heard up to that point. >Also, screw you, I LIKE Ringo. Nothing wrong with Ringo in my book either. But then again, I like Morris Windsor, what do I know? 8-) later, Miles ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: WXRT performance Hey Fegs, DRAT! Yesterday it occured to me that Robyn would be on XRT today, so I says to myself, "Listen tomorrow." Well, I spaced it out and then read the list mail at 7:15 PM! Turned it on to catch about half of "Gene Hackman," and then "Jewels For Sophia." Whoever got the whole thing, I'd like a copy as well. See you tomorrow! Blinking On And Off, Jay H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:36:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: *Robyn on WXRT* On Tue, 20 May 1997, Hal Brandt wrote: > Chicago area Robyn fans/tapers, > > I just heard from a reliable source that Robyn will be on WXRT > in Chicago tonight @ 7:00 PM Central. If you get a good tape of this, > please let me know! Got it all. In this short half hour Robyn talks life and death and reveals that the guitarist in the "Moss Elixir" story is actually his grandfather (right! :)) and plays "Gene Hackman". Also unveils the stunningly lovely "Jewels for Sophia". This is the first I've heard of this tune, wasn't even familiar with the title. I'm going to try and get up close and request it tomorrow night, as I want to hear it about a billion times now. Anyone else who heard it- what did you think? Is it going to be on the "Storefront" soundtrack or is it newer than that? It did sound pretty rough. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:47:21 -0700 From: Ferris Scott Thomas Subject: RH proported as God >I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. >The Guambat No, Guambat. That was scrawled on a bridge about Clapton, but that was a long time ago. -ferris. -- Friday or Saturday, what does that mean? Short space of time needs a heavy scene Monday is coming like a jail on wheels -The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:14:13 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: RH proported as God >>I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. > >>The Guambat > > >No, Guambat. That was scrawled on a bridge about Clapton, but that was >a long time ago. > >-ferris. > >-- Actually, I have an ad for "Element of Light" that has the phrase "God walks among us".... a quote from Creem magazine. ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Do you have a question for Robyn? Hey Fegs, Tomorrow at 3pm I have the pleasure of interviewing Robyn for the local TV show Image Mind Television. If anyone has a question they'd like me to ask Robyn, I'd be happy to do so (anymore "Mucky / Bucky / Lucky" type questions out there?!). For the interview proper I'm probably going to focus on current news (Demme movie, next album, etc.), but it appears there is going to be at least a little time to relax and chat, so I can power load those questions in! Any questions relating to recent or upcoming events will more then likely make it into the interview proper! So post away!!! Sincerely, Jay H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:13:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Valenta Subject: F***in' Tape Decks For some reason, my stereo didn't turn on at 7. Stupid of me to expect it to work. I should have just let the tape run for 40 minutes. Did anyone record the XRT Robyn appearance who can make a copy for me? Thanks, matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:43:55 -0500 From: John Subject: Re: promotional stuff >some more promotional stops along the way for the current tour: > >>22 May, Detroit Live on WDET, 2pm >>23 May, Milwaukee Live on WMSE, 2pm >>24 May, Minn. Let It Be, 1001 S. Nicolett Mall (ring for time) > >as always, recordings of radio-type things are appreicated by yours truly. Hey, I have an interesting question: To anyone's knowledge, has Robyn ever done any radio interviews for Portland, OR?? WHen I left there wasn't a decent station there, I'm pretty sure things haven't changed. The only station playing non top 40 or non freedom rock was an AM station. -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:06:01 -0500 From: John Subject: The second foot Hal expressed his excitement about tomorrow's Chicago show. I just want to say that I too am excited about the tour. We are taking to the road this weekend in a Uhaul truck moving from Syracuse, NY to Portland, OR, and I can't wait to a) listen to some of the tapes from the "first foot" on our trip, and b) read reviews and setlists of the show whilst on the road. Also, the Portland show is quickly turning into a homecoming party for my wife and I. Many of our friends are planning on attending, some who aren't even familiar with Robyn but who want to find out what all the fuss is all about, and join in the camaraderie. I'm really looking forward to hearing Robyn with Tim Keegan. Yahoo! If we didn't have time constraints with the truck, we could just follow Robyn around. We have to make a stop in Chicago on Monday, and heading east on 80, so we'll probably be eating some of Robyn and Igor's dust some of the way. Thanks for listening. PS. Jewels for Sophia??? Is that anything like Lisa Germano's song "Messages From Sophia"? PS. Listened to the Jam's "Modern World" album today. No one ever mentions them on the list, but I think their brilliance outshines the Buzzcocks by just a bit. TTFN, -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Wet Toast Tweezers Subject: Portland stuff...? > Hey, I have an interesting question: To anyone's knowledge, has Robyn ever > done any radio interviews for Portland, OR?? WHen I left there wasn't a > decent station there, I'm pretty sure things haven't changed. The only > station playing non top 40 or non freedom rock was an AM station. from my tenure in portland i cannot remember such an event, but i have a sneaking suspicion that there should have been one. in the hayday of KBOO, circa 1987-1989, there were several dj that were ga-ga over robyn and the station itself was only a short walk from the venue where he always played. but i cannot remember any actual on-air interview. of course KBOO has faded and no good replacement has grown in its place, although KPSU is growing (at least when i left). anyone else?? .chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:13:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: The second foot On Wed, 21 May 1997, John wrote: > PS. Jewels for Sophia??? Is that anything like Lisa Germano's song > "Messages From Sophia"? I don't know if it is, because I've never heard that. I would venture to say that it's not at all related, because this sounded like pure Robyn to me. I don't mean to get everybody all excited yet, because it still sounds fairly rough and not quite finished. But when it -is- finished, it will be quite a stunning example of one of those romantic erotic ballads Robyn does so well (e.g., "Beautiful Queen"). I guess part of the reason I got so excited is because as much as I like the charmers like "Gene Hackman" and "I Something You", I was getting a bit afraid that all of Robyn's new material was going to be in the "charming but slight" vein, and this song indicates to me that there is going to also be some more intimate and powerful material forthcoming as well. Hasn't -anyone- else heard this song yet or found it worthy of comment? Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 02:28:44 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Stand Back Dennis Anybody got any info on the Stand Back Dennis CD? Thanks JL ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Drummers... RxBroome@aol.com writes: > Also, screw you, I LIKE Ringo. > > And there's a whole indie rock ethic which would not exist without Mo Tucker. > She was unquestionably essential to the Velvets as we know them. all you have to do to prove that is listen to _loaded._ not that it is necessarily a bad record, but it just isn't a velvet underground record, even with lou and sterl. granted the third record doesn't have john cale, but it still has that certain something which _loaded_ lacks that mo brought. > Another thing that drummers sometimes do is provide continuity when bands > "break up", so that the band leader can retain a band name rather than-- > ewwww!-- going solo, which makes such drummers, I dunno, at least sort of > "indispenible". Jody Stephens of Big Star and David Narcizo of Throwing > Muses are examples that spring immediately to mind; Narcizo has also done > almost all of the design work for the Muses for the past six year's worth of > albums. actually, limbo aside, i'm pretty sure Chris Bigg did most of it based on Shinro Ohtake work. all other points about Narcizo stand. great drummer. and a few more words i feel the need to mention, being a victimized child of the 80's: Mike Joyce, Boris Williams, Pete DeFreitas (for a while), Steve Shelley, and even Steve Morris, though newOrder used a lot of machines as well. and for that matter even though her music is much to my taste, Sheila E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:21:45 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Drummers... I used to be in a semi-pro band with a guy called Manny Elias who later went pro and joined a group called Interview, after which he became pretty successful in Tears for Fears. When he checked out the legal situation re songwriting credits, he found that basically you can only copyright a lyric and a two-staff music score (i.e. a piano part). He felt that at rehearsals, the bass and drums were putting in as much 'creative' hard work as the guitarist and keyboard player, but they never (or at any rate seldom) got any songwriting credits. Could this be one of the reasons that drummers are alienated and treated as second class musicians? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 97 14:09:45 BST From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (Jonathan Turner) Subject: adults only At 07:47 PM 20/5/97 -0700, Ferris Scott Thomas wrote: >>I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. No, no, no. I saw a graffitto a few years ago, sprayed on a wall in Eugene, OR, which said "Paul Westerberg is God." This article found in Men's Health magazine, summarising an article in the British Medical Journal: "Tests carried out on a random group of 36 men (aged from 31 to 65 suffering symptoms of impotence for between 5 and 72 months) showed that following application of Egyptian Cream on the penis, 21 were capable of full erection." (http://www.bmj.com/bmj/archive/7045a.htm#4) And she loves to smear it _everywhere_ ? Wow. Jonathan "it's for a friend" Turner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:21:23 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Do you have a question for Robyn? Hey Jay, >Any questions relating to recent or upcoming events will more then likely >make it into the interview proper! So post away!!! I got one. I remember reading Robyn say that he had heard of someone planning on a Nick Drake tribute album and that he'd like to contribute to it. Now I've never heard Robyn mention, let alone play, a Nick Drake tune, but Drake's one songwriter who IMHO ranks up there with Robyn in terms of guitar and lyrical abilities. I think Robyn covering one of Nick's tunes would be absolutely heavenly. So, I'd like to know what Robyn thinks about Nick Drake and if that tribute album rumor is true. __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:12:20 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME On Tue, 20 May 1997, Pete Bilderback wrote: > I'd recommend Greil > Marcus's book on Bob Dylan's basement tapes which discusses Dylan's huge > debt to traditional American music to anyone who holds this opinion. Does anyone know the title of this, please? - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:25:04 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: Meeting of the HOB-Robyns I'm a definite for meeting before the show tonight. I'm going to the Art Institute in the afternoon; I'll see if I can't get a replica of one of those Renoir cones, so y'all can recognize me. Otherwise, watch for a green T-shirt that looks like I'm hawking Rolling Rock beer (only with a subtle difference). (Now at least Jay will find me :*) Oh yeah, I'll try and get a table near the entrance to the HOB restaurant by 7, 8 at the latest, and start the Feg Vigil. All but Susan need be conspicuous. Dave. David Witzany witzany@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 97 10:35:49 EDT From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: adults only >>>I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. > >No, no, no. I saw a graffitto a few years ago, sprayed on a wall in >Eugene, OR, which said "Paul Westerberg is God." actually, there was a magazine article with robyn's picture and the caption "god walks among us". >This article found in Men's Health magazine, summarising an >article in the British Medical Journal: > >"Tests carried out on a random group of 36 men (aged from 31 >to 65 suffering symptoms of impotence for between 5 and 72 >months) showed that following application of Egyptian Cream >on the penis, 21 were capable of full erection." > Conclusions - Topical treatment with a cream containing three different vasodilators might be considered before intracavernous injection of vasoactive agents, particularly in psychogenic impotence. "'til she feels like she's a man" KEN ------------------------------ From: Hollie_Satterfield@mail.amsinc.com Date: Wed, 21 May 97 11:22:11 EST Subject: ISO Canadian record store/mail order I want to buy a CD that was released in Canada (only) a couple of weeks ago. Can somebody recommend a good store that will do mail order to the US? If I wait a few weeks somebody will import it, but I don't necessarily feel like waiting a few weeks... P.S. The only indispensible drummer I can think of is Jughead. They ain't the Archies without that Jughead beat. ------------------------------ From: Brodyjean@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: robyn = god In a message dated 97-05-21 12:09:07 EDT, kenster@mit.edu writes: << actually, there was a magazine article with robyn's picture and the caption "god walks among us". >> That's from Creem magazine. I have the picture w/ caption up as wallpaper on my computer. --Becky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: man who invented himself Since the version of "The Man Who Invented Himself" on "Black Snake Diamond Role" is the Zinc Pear Mix, where can the original version be found? I really like the song. Has it ever been performed live? griffith (who just scored a copy of "Invisible History") ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:08:17 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: man who invented himself >Since the version of "The Man Who Invented Himself" on "Black Snake >Diamond Role" is the Zinc Pear Mix, where can the original version be >found? i assume you're talking about the version on the rhino reissue of BLACK SNAKE DIAMOND ROLE. that's the version without the horns. i believe (a friend made me a tape, so i'm not sure) it's also the version on INVISIBLE HISTORY. so... zinc pear mix, huh? i don't much care for it myself. everytime i listen to the tape i have i find myself whistling the horn riffs that are missing. i don't think the original version can be found anywhere else but on the original import version of the album. am i wrong? KEN ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:47:55 -0700 Subject: it's a winston churchill evening i thought what was meant by "viva sea-tac" was that after the gig he was going straight to sea-tac to fly back to england. that is, this is the last gig of the tour. the "getaway gig" to borrow from baseball parlance. i'm horribly awfully sorry i can't remember names, and am too lazy to go back and look them up. but, for the person who stated that he or she saw PORTLAND ARMS on cd, and is it worth buying, then recanted and said it was actually ROUT OF THE CLONES: this cd is very worth buying! it's a total attack on the senses. of course, i also love CAN OF BEES, so if you don't, you may not dig this one quite as much as i. for my money, the ROUT version of Wey Wey Hep Uh Hole is the best to be found. even better than the PRAWNS version. speaking of which, if there's another song that has as many flat out killer different versions, i can't think of it. i'm not ever gonna question the musical knowledge and taste of this list. but how come i haven't, to the best of my memory, seen much if any talk of violent femmes and/or dire straits. two great bands there, indeed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .