From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #104 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 104 Tuesday May 20 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Religion, etc... he done this thing for vengeance! Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 Re: Religion, etc... An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo Re: Religion, etc... Re: Religion, etc... Re: Religion, etc... Re: Religion, etc... Re: An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 Re: drummers detroit show...robyn on songwriting Paul plays bass Chicago show, last call Re: Religion, etc... calling Portland, OR fegs a flash flood in a fizzy factory... Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees - the Quail cheeps out! Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME Re: a flash flood in a fizzy factory... Re: Floyd Soundtrack to Wizard Of Oz (fwd) Drummers... Re: Glass... drummers & dreams Re: Drummers... Re: Drummers... Re: drummers & dreams Re: Religion, etc... Tomorrow night! Re: Tomorrow night! Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees - the Quail cheeps out! Drum And Drummer something shakespeare never sed: "we're havin' a party!" *Robyn on WXRT* Re: something shakespeare never sed: "we're havin' a party!" promotional stuff ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Religion, etc... From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:17:03 EDT Re: religion & Robyn, Bayard quoth: >I'd be interested in learning more about this, and it's even on-topic, >so >feel free to elaborate... > I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. The Guambat ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:25:52 -0700 Subject: he done this thing for vengeance! so the most recent digest i've seen is from thursday last. which means i'm way behind the times as usual. but, here goes: yes, i had some sort of heart stoppage, thinking PORTLAND ARMS was available on cd. received ten more top-ten movie lists in the last week. many thanks! if you still haven't heard, you've got until may 31 to send yours to tews@vcommons.com any seattle-area fegs interested in a road trip. i'm thinking of leaving sunday june 1 after work, midnightish i guess. i'm going to go see the shows in mill valley on monday, and sacramento on tuesday. unfortunately, i have to be back at work on thursday morning, so i can't go to the frisco, eugene, and portland shows. he's playing in seattle on the 7th and the 13th. he's got to be playing in british columbia in the interim, right? does anybody know the venue for the show on the 13th? i had something of an epiphany last week listening to one of the tapes kindly supplied to me by mr. marks. it was an la radio interview, on which our man stated that he is, "...pretty strong socialist..." (!!!) yow! i had no idea. it's always been pretty clear that he's skewed to the left, but socialist?! this is amazing. some sort of harmonic convergence for me, as the two most important things in my life are socialism/the destruction of capitalism, and robyn. this was a fine day indeed. i've stated before that i think you all are awfully hard on the a&m material, but i'd like to add that QUEEN ELVIS just rips. may not be the holy grail, but it's at least a pretty damn good relic. how can you not LOVE Autumn Sea? i'm glad you voted for nader, susan, but you're all wrong on FDR. first, he was not a good president. he was a union-busting fascist/capitalist. he loved Mussolini. supported Franco. supported Hitler until he got too big for his britches and needed to be cut down to size. was deeply involved in the conflict of rival imperialisms that caused the war in the pacific. second, he was not a liberal, except in the corporate keynesian sense. the purpose of the new deal was to restore to big business the profitability that had been destroyed by the depression. it didn't work, incidentally. the war worked. and when we started sliding back into depression after the war, that's when military keynesianism started. this was BEFORE korea heated up. anyway, i digress...but the main point is that FDR was a big business shill in sheep's clothing. if you're interested, i can pass along a suggested reading list. 13 days until hurricane season. 15 days until robyn mainlining ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Sutton Subject: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 I notices the listing for a gig at Viva Sea-Tac 2 w/The Young Fresh Fellows Anyone know what is up with that? When and where did the first one happen? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:43:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Religion, etc... >I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. > >The Guambat But just remember, the Beatles are bigger than Jesus Christ. ;) Eb (wondering what's so unexpendable about Bill Berry and Larry Mullen) ------------------------------ From: "Kototh" Subject: An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:59:25 -0700 Help Please!! On the Fegmaniax Web Site in the Gig section, the following appearance is listed: 30 May -- An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo, Los Angeles (it's a "secret" gig -- shhhh!) Can anyone provide any information on the location of the Club. I live in Los Angeles and desperately want to see this show. I have not been able to find a listing for a "Cafe Largo" anywhere in the L.A. area. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Greg kototh@flash.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:43:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Religion, etc... On Mon, 19 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. I wonder if that was me that said that (or perhaps K :)) in a moment of being temporarily overwhelmed by Robyn-lust (the cure for which is, as anyone knows, to look at that photo on the inside of the "Queen Elvis" CD booklet- Christ, I'd sue on the grounds of emotional trauma if someone had given me a haircut like that :)). Love on ya, Susan "....don't you know that God is Pooh Bear?"- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road" ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:57:45 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Religion, etc... fegmaniax@ecto.org At 07:43 PM 5/19/97 -0500, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > > >On Mon, 19 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > >> I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. > >I wonder if that was me that said that (or perhaps K :)) in a moment of >being temporarily overwhelmed by Robyn-lust (the cure for which is, as >anyone knows, to look at that photo on the inside of the "Queen Elvis" >CD booklet- Christ, I'd sue on the grounds of emotional trauma if someone >had given me a haircut like that :)). I was about to post to the list with my one and only offering on the religion thread: "I believe there are many gods, but only one Robyn Hitchcock." 8-) Melissa and I have always thought that Robyn doesn't photograph particularly well, but is stunningly handsome in person. In the brief, glorious moment of 1986-88 when J. Kordosh became editor of CREEM, it went from being an underground mag disguised as a heavy metal rag to being an openly ("outed" if you will) underground mag. One of the first covers of the Kordosh regime was a Robyn one, with the wonderful headline "ROBYN HITCHCOCK: Is This Man God?" (They also were the only major or semi-major rock magazine to honor the Velvet Underground with a 20-year anniversary cover in 1987 -- of course, the twenty-year anniversary of the release of THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO took a back seat everywhere else to the anniversary of another 1967 album which will remain nameless...) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:27:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Religion, etc... On Mon, 19 May 1997, Outdoor Miner wrote: > Melissa and I have always thought that Robyn doesn't photograph particularly > well, but is stunningly handsome in person. I have seen a select few photographs that I thought were lusciously attractive (esp. from the era circa "Invisible Hits"), but for the most part you're right. He photographs like, well, like an old roommate of mine observed, "a total goofus". > to being an openly ("outed" if you will) underground mag. One of the first > covers of the Kordosh regime was a Robyn one, with the wonderful headline > "ROBYN HITCHCOCK: Is This Man God?" Is -that- where that picture comes from? I used to have that on my wall. Actually, I think what I had was actually an ad for "Element of Light" with the quote "God walks among us" attributed simply to "Creem Magazine", but I suspect it might be same as the cover photo from the issue of Creem you describe. Who wrote the article? Another roommate weighed in on that picture with the following- "He looks like a slightly more menacing version of Andrew McCarthy" :). > the twenty-year anniversary of the release of THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND > NICO took a back seat everywhere else to the anniversary of another 1967 > album which will remain nameless...) So how come there weren't any honoring "The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society" or "The Who Sell Out"? I guess there was just too much going on in 1967.......:) Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Religion, etc... > Re: religion & Robyn, Bayard quoth: [aside: just in case you didn't know, we have e.a. poe for keeping that term in the language!] > > >I'd be interested in learning more about this, and it's even on-topic, > >so > >feel free to elaborate... > I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. tis true, i know cos i seen i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:43:17 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo also sprach Kototh: >30 May -- An Evening Underwater At Cafe Largo, Los Angeles (it's a "secret" >gig -- shhhh!) > >Can anyone provide any information on the location of the Club. from the info that was sent out by antwoman yesterday: >* The 'secret' LA gig on the 30th has been confirmed, but 1) is not secret >and 2) Robyn will only be guesting. Here's the LA deal: > 28th live on KCRW, 10pm, Brave New World > 30th guesting with Jon Brion and Moris Tepper after 10pm > *** 31st The Roxy (the 'proper' gig) > post-Roxy, Robyn may guest with Grant (aka lee Buffalo) at >Cafe Largo after midnight an l.a. feg thinks that the club is actually named "largo" which is located at 432 n. fairfax in west hollywood; their phone number is (213) 852-1073 (info recording) and (213) 852-1851 (office). anyone who can confirm the location for the list will be appreciated. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:39:06 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 also sprach Robert Sutton: >Viva Sea-Tac 2 w/The Young Fresh Fellows > >Anyone know what is up with that? robyn's management thinks that the gig will be at the crocodile cafe (club? i forget which -- you know, peter puck's place), but they weren't 100% sure. if anyone in the seattle area can check your local listings and confirm this, please do. >When and where did the first one happen? 10/4/94 at the crocodile cafe/club. this was the show that mike runion was asking about a week or so ago. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:01:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 >also sprach Robert Sutton: > >>Viva Sea-Tac 2 w/The Young Fresh Fellows >> >>Anyone know what is up with that? I'm missing something. Is "Viva Sea-Tac 2" supposed to mean something to me? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:11:11 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Upcoming Gig:Viva Sea-Tac 2 also sprach Eb: >I'm missing something. Is "Viva Sea-Tac 2" supposed to mean something to me? maybe, maybe not. robyn just happened to name the gig that, in honor of the seattle-tacoma airport. +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:31:51 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: drummers On Mon, 19 May 1997, Eb wrote: > Joan of Arc wrote: > >The other band is Husker Du, with Grant Hart as the drummer and > >co-singer/songwriter with Bob Mould. Grant's drumming is highly > >emotional and gives another very strong argument that drummers are > >definately NOT expendable. He could go a little easier on the symbols for > >me > > This is definitely my favorite spelling error I've read lately. :) Agreed--both on the error and Grant Hart. How about Jody Stephens? Listen to Kangaroo and Life is White if they are available. I don't think either song would be the same without the drumming (besides the obvious). Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:23:35 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: detroit show...robyn on songwriting Hi all... I'm wondering who's going to the Detroit show. I live in Toronto, so it's a five hour trek for me, but I'm pondering the feasiblilty of the journey. I'm also wondering... if the club easy to get to off the highway? if it is safe for a lone female to be wandering around Detroit? if there is a (cheap) place to stay close by? if anyone is getting together before/at/after the show? I would really really appreciate any help/info/advice...e-mail me privately if you like...and thanks... And on to Robyn on songwriting... Bayard wrote - > RH has plenty of songs with emotional depth, and i think he'd put that > on a par with the importance of the music being good, though he > wouldn't always have. i think he's said he thinks the lyrics are the > least important part. Here is an excerpt from Robyn on MSN's "rifff" talking about songwriting - "With songwriting you have to leave a cetain part of you. I was brought up to be bright and articulate and all the rest of it, but my early songs were crap because they were just totally unemotional. They were 'thought-songs.' There's a big fork in the road between thought and feeling, and it's best to take...if you're a songwriter...the path to take is feeling, and feeling is basically what it is. The music is 9/10ths of the feeling, if you can quantify it." I'm not sure that I agree that the music is 90 percent of the equation in terms of feeling, since I can think of hundreds of lyrics that evoke emotional responses. However, I think it's interesting to note that this is how Robyn sees things. I really would have thought he'd go for 50/50, and that he'd hold his own lyrics in high esteem in terms of emotional value. I wonder if the 90/10 viewpoint holds true for both his own music and the music he enjoys listening to. Randi ***"You know, all I'm really known for is kind of the missing link between the Byrds and REM. That's all it is musically, which is a very small thing. They were into the Byrds anyway. It would have happened with or without me." ....more Robyn on "rifff"*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:02:30 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Paul plays bass IMO what distinguishes Paul's role is that he plays bass better than most. Can the same be said about John and guitar? He was good, but he was no George. Ah, the missing third element. These three are necessary, but neither is sufficient. Ringo is not bad either. Since I'm ducking already, Brian Wilson is another great rock bassist. These two both have melodic parts which complement the songs. It's almost like listening to an organ piece by Bach. Andy, expecting something about fish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:15:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Chicago show, last call Ok, I would really like to hear from all of you who want to get together. So far consensus seems to be that we should actually meet at HofB. Where, pray tell? I know nothing about the layout or anything. Is the bar a good meeting point? I also trust that there will be at least one person who has been to enough gigs over the years to be able to spot everyone- basically if you weren't at the Vic one I didn't meet you and have no way of knowing what you look like, which is one of many reasons I really shouldn't be the one trying to hustle this together :). But I digress. Anyway, drop me a line so I can get an idea of how many people actually want to do this, please. Love on ya, Susan your trusty cruise director ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:18:22 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Religion, etc... On Mon, 19 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that Robyn is God. Not "Robyn", "Robin." Robin Gibbs of the BeeGees JL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:41:48 -0500 From: John Subject: calling Portland, OR fegs I'm buying tickets tomorrow for the Aladdin show. Its gonna be like a big homecoming celebration for me! (we've been out east for 4 yrs for my wife's phd program). Anyway, if any of you want to get a bite to eat before the show, or meet at the show, let me know. I'd love to start my 2nd round in Portland right--by meeting up with Robyn fans. I also need to find a good ISP in Portland. One that offers 3mb or more of web space. Any recommendations?? John (lobstie) PS. i'm tempted to go to the eugene show too....anyone?? -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:09:19 -0700 From: the rubber shark guy Subject: a flash flood in a fizzy factory... I wasn't into the Beatles as a kid. I sort of felt ripped off that the public went nuts over them instead of the Who, who tended to understand my feelings and thoughts better. It probably wasn't fair of me to slag them for the public's reaction to them (I did the same thing to Led Zep). I guess I started liking them a little sometime arount the time John was taken up by the UFO to meet Elvis and Mama Cass. I can't imagine that it's totally appropriate to think that anybody who likes them or dislikes them is an idiot for their opinion. It is also pretty hard for me to hold such a huge charge about a band which has been defunct for a quarter of a century. I also think that we should listen to some Beatles now and again just to listen to Ringo. I think that everything he ever played with the band was musical and perfectly appropriate. I can always listen to Ringo if I don't like the song. Bands-drummers... Yes/IOU/UK/King Crimson-Bruford Frank Zappa-Jimmy Carl Black/Chester Thompson/Vinnie Colaiutta/Terry Bozzio/Chad Wackerman (each defining their period w/ the band) Genesis/(oh, that wacky jazz thing he did)- Phil Collins Egyptians-Morris Windsor (listen to everything he plays on Respect- perfect!) Laurie Anderson- David VanTighem (wow!) Police- Stewart Copeland Fleetwood Mac- Mick Fleetwood (even when they play crap, he sounds great!) In most bands, the drummers are not there to impel the band. They are there because the bands think they need to have a drummer. Usually drummers are treated as hired guns and seldom have input into the greater musical identity of the band. At the same time, I think that most long-term musical bands are successful by growing from the nutrients of all of the participants. Back to RH- I love to see him live, but I miss seeing him with Morris making perfect space in which the magic never ceased to happen. Susan- maybe you can cash in somebody else's frequent flyer miles to come out to see us. That goes for the rest of you feg's. Politeness doesn't suck. I await your every gram of napalm. -Mark Gloster "the rubber chicken o' love" Hey, please let me or Bayard know if you need to buy a Glass Flesh (tribute to Robyn Hitchcock CD by a bunch of fegs and other fans of RH). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:41:49 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Fegmaniax! Subject: Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees - the Quail cheeps out! On Mon, 19 May 1997, The Great Quail wrote: > >Fundamentalist religion (Charles Darwin) > > Darwin was a terrible drummer! Lamarck had all the better moves! Shame on > you! The only thing Darwin ever did original in FR (another unfairly > overlooked band) was to come up with that turtle shell trap set. Too bad > Mickey Hart got all the credit. I can't go along with this. Darwin was technically excellent, but it later emerged that most of his paradiddles and rudiments had been lifted WHOLESALE from Alfred Russell Wallace's seminal percussion work on the album 'Krakatoa - East of Java' (Rick Wakeman keyboards, Bishop Berkeley xylophone, T H Huxley on the mighty Wurlitzer, plus axe hero Cardinal Newman guesting on 'Sleeping with your Devil Mask'). - Mike Godwin PS Incidentally, Krakatoa turned out to be west of Java, but the album was in the shops by then and it was too late to change the title... ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BEATLES/DRUMMERS/FLAME SHAME I'd like to apologize for my comments about Abbey Road being a Chuck Berry rip-off.. I used to think that Let It Be was a chuck berry ripoff (the album, not the song), but I'd suppose that apart from One after 909 and...that other song, that that's not a really accurate opinion.. And I still say that "In My Room" is a well-done, complex song..The beatles didn't invent that, you know... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: a flash flood in a fizzy factory... From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:01:25 EDT On Mon, 19 May 1997 22:09:19 -0700 the rubber shark guy >I also think that we should listen to some Beatles now and again just >to >listen to Ringo. I think that everything he ever played with the band >was musical and perfectly appropriate. I can always listen to Ringo if >I >don't like the song. Yeah, I concur. Ringo was a good drummer. If you want proof, check out the Anthology2 "wild drum" solo at the end of "Strawberry Fields"--it rocks. The Guambat ------------------------------ From: Ken W Subject: Re: Floyd Soundtrack to Wizard Of Oz (fwd) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:05:26 -0400 (EDT) People have known about this for years. Here's a web site that has info: http://www.chelmsford.com/home/aharm/woodsotm.html. -Ken -- hazmat@shore.net http://www.shore.net/~hazmat panic@io.com ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Drummers... Oh, thank GOD someone finally mentioned Grant Hart in this thread!!! Not only is he fully HALF of everything that was Husker Du, his drum sound is also as definitive of the band as Mould's guitar sound. Specifically, his recorded drum sound sucks royally, but in a really endearing way. He has simply the thinnest, tinniest snare sound ever reproduced in the 24-track era. My friend and bandmate Charlie and I have a running joke about how we thought Hart's drum sound was a result of low-budget indie-rock production values until HD started to record big-money records for Sire... and the drums sounded EXACTLY THE SAME. I guess that's how he liked it... that vast monolithic guitar against those drums that sound like they were recorded inside a tin can. Nobody's ever sounded like that, nor will they ever again. Love it. Too bad Nova Mob mostly sucks. Ahem... but in general, I agree that drummers are USUALLY disposible. Someone cited Keith Moon as an exception, and someone else listed off a bunch of the worst prog-rock wankers ever as some other exceptions. That's part of the problem with the Who in general-- what the Who were and did were so thoroughly beautiful and right, but they also pointed the way for some of the people who almost ruined pop music by hewing to, and perverting, some of the Who's innovations (I think also of the Jimi Hendrix Experience here). "Virtuoso" drumming-- and the ultimate excesses of drum solos, giant gongs, etc-- was the unfortunate result. Ecchhh. I think Moon also retains some dignity in the face of this by being pressed together with the other instruments in the mix. He's arguably playing the lead instrument in the band at times... even at their most jam-oriented, the Who sounded like an ensemble thanks to, not in spite of, Keith Moon. Also, screw you, I LIKE Ringo. And there's a whole indie rock ethic which would not exist without Mo Tucker. She was unquestionably essential to the Velvets as we know them. Another thing that drummers sometimes do is provide continuity when bands "break up", so that the band leader can retain a band name rather than-- ewwww!-- going solo, which makes such drummers, I dunno, at least sort of "indispenible". Jody Stephens of Big Star and David Narcizo of Throwing Muses are examples that spring immediately to mind; Narcizo has also done almost all of the design work for the Muses for the past six year's worth of albums. And although it's hard to care, Charlie Watts is one of the only three real Stones left. I know there are other examples of this phenomenon... have a field day. And hey, sometimes drummers don't SEEM essential, but the band sure does seem to go to hell when they leave. Chalk this one up to personal dynamics. The Replacements survived the ouster of guitarist-sibling-founding member (the late) Bob Stinson, but they sure as hell did fall apart after the firing of Chris Mars. Plus, there are hardcore "We're a BAND, dammit!" units like REM who consider the guy who started out as their drummer but now also does other things to be such an integral part of their identity that they would fold if they lost him. Cool. _______________ As to this Beatles thing, I'm tired of it already. I have nothing to say except-- "Hey Jude" is an "emotionally deep" song? If you say so. It's one of the most boring Beatles songs to me, and a lllooooooonnngggg one at that. The lyrics sound mostly like obvious rhymes to me, except for that " the movement you need is on your shoulder" bit, which, according to Declan MacManus, was a dummy lyric of McCartney's which was retained at the request of, yup, John Lennon. Ooopps, I guess I've tipped my hand as to my prejudices. Oh how I love you all, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:10:48 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: "Bonde M'Teko" Subject: Re: Glass... On Sun, 18 May 1997 16:20 Mark Gloster wrote > A couple of my favorite fegs put a nail into a stick and whacked > one of my favorite RH songs. Just to put the record straight. My "yay!" to Terry was due to his deftly turning the religion debate around to the topic of Robyn's music, rather than any implied support of his comments on a particular song. > Nick (at nite) and Terry (somewhere in Fla.), your assignment is to > each write a great song that stands near or above "Glass." I promise > I'll be a big fan. I can't wait. BTW, I'm trying to do this myself. I'll just wait to see what you come up with first. ;-) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: drummers & dreams I'm a little late in this drummer debate, but I had a question regarding Keith Moon. After listening to Pete Townshends demos for "Bargain" & "Love Reign O'er Me", I was wondering if Keith Moon is really as great as everyone thinks he was. Don't get me wrong, I love The Who. But Townshend plays the drums on these demos, and they are duplicated exactly on the album - meaning Keith was just copying Pete. Can someone set me straight on this? Secondly, I've been having strange dreams lately. One had Robyn performing "Filthy Bird" without a guitar. His only accompaniment was a string quartet. It was interesting. The other dream had Robyn performing "1974". This time it was country style, with Robyn on Slide Guitar. Somebody must of spiked my coffee or something. I guess it is just a residual memory from seeing Peter Buck on slide guitar last saturday night..... griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 10:11:28 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Drummers... >Specifically, [Grant Hart's] >recorded drum sound sucks royally, but in a really endearing way. He has >simply the thinnest, tinniest snare sound ever reproduced in the 24-track >era. Hmm. Never really thought about this consciously before, but I think you're right! :) >The >Replacements survived the ouster of guitarist-sibling-founding member (the >late) Bob Stinson, but they sure as hell did fall apart after the firing of >Chris Mars. I really don't think the Replacements fell apart due to a switch in drummers. There were much more global band issues at work. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:01:07 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Drummers... On Tue, 20 May 1997 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > Another thing that drummers sometimes do is provide continuity when bands > "break up", so that the band leader can retain a band name rather than-- > ewwww!-- going solo, which makes such drummers, I dunno, at least sort of > "indispenible". But couldn't it be argued from this that the band leader, with eyes on keeping a good thing going, keeps the only member who makes no difference whatsoever to the group? Then again, when Perry Farrell disbanded Jane's Addiction, the only member brought back for Porno for Pyros was the drummer. Hmmm JL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:07:01 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: drummers & dreams On Tue, 20 May 1997, Griffith Davies wrote: > I'm a little late in this drummer debate, but I had a question regarding > Keith Moon. After listening to Pete Townshends demos for "Bargain" & > "Love Reign O'er Me", I was wondering if Keith Moon is really as great as > everyone thinks he was. Don't get me wrong, I love The Who. But > Townshend plays the drums on these demos, and they are duplicated exactly > on the album - meaning Keith was just copying Pete. Can someone set me > straight on this? At least around the time of the Tommy demos a couple of years before, Keith cut the demos with Pete > Secondly, I've been having strange dreams lately. One had Robyn > performing "Filthy Bird" without a guitar. His only accompaniment was a > string quartet. That means you need a girlfriend. ...or a boyfriend; I'm not judging. JL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:49:49 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Fegmaniax Subject: Re: Religion, etc... > > On Sun, 18 May 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > > > That's right. And a Jungian archetypes pantheist to boot, I shouldn't > > wonder. On Mon, 19 May 1997, Bayard wrote: > > I'd be interested in learning more about this, and it's even on-topic, so > feel free to elaborate... I don't really know that much about it - I'm sure that there are some people out there who are seriously into Jungian psychology, so don't take anything I say as definitive - I am not even too clear on the distinction between 'unconscious' and 'subconcsious'. My main source is Colin Wilson's brilliant book 'The Occult'. As I understand it, Jung asserts that the unconscious basically works on symbols, rather than on language. Some of these symbols are so deep-rooted and fundamental that they are in everyone's make-up. He refers to these as 'archetypes' and says that they have a regular habit of turning up in dreams which are symbolically trying to express something that the conscious self has forgotten / suppressed / ignored. Colin Wilson argues that in order to get in touch with the unconscious, people have developed disciplines which train one to move away from the conscious mind and develop awareness of deeper levels. If such a discipline is to work, it has to operate at a symbolic rather than a linguistic level, and if the symbols used are in harmony with those actually "used" by the unconscious, the discipline is more likely to be successful. Reading the Tarot is a classic example of such a discipline. The Qabalah is another. There was a time when the Greek myths were used seriously in rituals for similar reasons, with the 'gods' having symbolic attributes. >From Jung's perspective, it doesn't matter a great deal whether the archetypes / symbols / gods are 'real' or are projections of the self. What matters is that the messages that come through should not be repressed and should be come to terms with. - Mike (a preposition is something to end a sentence on) Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:10:51 -0500 From: Hal Brandt Subject: Tomorrow night! All, I'm just getting psyched about tomorrow night's kick off of "foot two" of the current tour @ The House of Blues and knew that you would understand if I exhibited some excitement all over the list! If someone tapes either the show or the WXRT interview beforehand, please get in touch with me (I've lots to trade!) Here's hoping Robyn does the elusive "Loop The Loop" for Chicago! (I'd really love to see him perform "Storm Lantern" as well...) Here's hoping I can score a cone! If you're going to go yourself...see you at the show! Hardly containing myself, hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Sutton Subject: Re: Tomorrow night! On Tue, 20 May 1997, Hal Brandt wrote: > > I'm just getting psyched about tomorrow night's kick off of > "foot two" of the current tour @ The House of Blues and knew that you If you get a chance, ask Robyn to play 'The Feelers'. Id be curious to his response. -r ------------------------------ Subject: Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees - the Quail cheeps out! Date: Tue, 20 May 97 15:52:02 -0000 From: The Great Quail I wrote: >> Darwin was a terrible drummer! Lamarck had all the better moves! Shame on >> you! The only thing Darwin ever did original in FR (another unfairly >> overlooked band) was to come up with that turtle shell trap set. Too bad >> Mickey Hart got all the credit. To which Mike responded: >I can't go along with this. Darwin was technically excellent, but it later >emerged that most of his paradiddles and rudiments had been lifted >WHOLESALE from Alfred Russell Wallace's seminal percussion work on the >album 'Krakatoa - East of Java' (Rick Wakeman keyboards, Bishop Berkeley >xylophone, T H Huxley on the mighty Wurlitzer, plus axe hero Cardinal >Newman guesting on 'Sleeping with your Devil Mask'). Wow, I wasn't aware of this at all! Thanks for letting me know. I spent a few hours combing the record stores for this treat, but all I found was a used copy of "Stephen Jay Gould sings Old Baptist Favorites." I also spend some time looking for Bishop Berkely's solo xylophone album, but I was told that after no one had bought it for a few years, it suddenly ceased to exist. Oh, well. . . but oddly enough, I did run across several copies of Dr. Samuel Johnson's Glockenspiel album concerto. . . . The Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ From: Ed Doxtator Subject: Drum And Drummer Date: Tue, 20 May 97 11:10:00 PDT A misplaced joan of arc said from her pyre of Mallowmars: >I have to toss a couple bands, which haven't been mentioned, but I think >are pertainent to this drummer/emotional content discussion. >First is Yo La Tengo. Their drummer is Georgia Hubley and she is wonderfully >expressive. She and the guitarist are married and they have this beautiful >emotional interaction within their songs that could never be matched by a >mere replacement. Their lyrics are quite lacking, however, but they >create such rich textures and moods, musically, that I pay little attention >to the words. I agree 100%. "Blue Line Swinger" (not on "Painful", but "Electr-o-pura") just leaves me completely destroyed. (Sorta like the Jazz Butcher's live version of "Sister Death" on the poorly-recorded "Western Family" live album.) Look after yerselves -Ed, Doc, listening to Ned's Atomic Dustbin... that should make a few people go huh? P.S. Anyone in the UK see McCarteny, Ltd's program on ITV Sunday night? Was it just me or were the tunes they played really dull? Sounds like Paul's stealing from himself again... ...it must be me, right? Thought as much. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: something shakespeare never sed: "we're havin' a party!" there is a potential festive event occurring on may 26 (memorial day observed.) let me know if you'd care to come/bring something. i'll throw another prawn on barbie for ya. obRobQ: why is the a&m covers session sometimes referred to as "oscar"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:17:55 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: Michael Brage Subject: *Robyn on WXRT* Chicago area Robyn fans/tapers, I just heard from a reliable source that Robyn will be on WXRT in Chicago tonight @ 7:00 PM Central. If you get a good tape of this, please let me know! hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Wet Toast Tweezers Subject: Re: something shakespeare never sed: "we're havin' a party!" > obRobQ: why is the a&m covers session sometimes referred to as "oscar"? It is for the same reason that the "Greatest Hits" was nicked-named 'felix'. You see, Felix was the name fo the gorilla who mastered the greatestt hits--spilcing the intro of OLPOE. You can see his hand going for the goods (banana that is) on the cover. Oscar is the cage mate of Felix, and in charge of the second A&M comp. Oscar is having much more difficulty cutting songs in half at the right places, unlike Felix. Thus, this comp is taking much more time to produce. It is rumored that the interns at A&M, both chimps, are getting impatient and want to see the banana that will appear on the cover; it is rumored that two hands will appear on the cover to snatch the goods. over, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:29:36 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: promotional stuff some more promotional stops along the way for the current tour: >22 May, Detroit Live on WDET, 2pm >23 May, Milwaukee Live on WMSE, 2pm >24 May, Minn. Let It Be, 1001 S. Nicolett Mall (ring for time) as always, recordings of radio-type things are appreicated by yours truly. woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .