From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #101 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 101 Sunday May 18 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! 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(no RH) BG's/Monkees Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees Re: (no RH) Fabs Re: (RH PS Only) BG's/Karen What's brown glass for? ------------------------------ Subject: Perspex Promo Cassette From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:44:32 EDT I found an obscure and potentially valueless item today--something I've never seen before. It was a cassette of Perspex Island, but it was a promo. Instead of the cool painting on the cover, there is a close up picture of Robyn, and the background color is white instead of brown. It appeared that the songs are the same as the "regular" version, the cover is the only difference. I didn't buy it, but if there are any rabid collectors out there who want it I'll but it and arrange a deal. It's cheap--I think $3... Jim "Guambat" guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Subject: Ptolemaic Terrascope From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:53:02 EDT Sorry to beat you all down with my incessant posting, but I have a question. Robyn's "Sinister but She Was Happy" that appeared on this compilation/tribute just prior to the release of "Moss Elixir"... is it the same version that appears on the "Mossy Liquor" vinyl lp? Or is it a different version? Is it any good? Is the other stuff on the CD any good? I need to know because I don't want to blow $18 if I can help it... Thanks, all. guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Subject: Ptolemaic Terrascope From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:54:07 EDT Sorry to beat you all down with my incessant posting, but I have a question. Robyn's "Sinister but She Was Happy" that appeared on this compilation/tribute just prior to the release of "Moss Elixir"... is it the same version that appears on the "Mossy Liquor" vinyl lp? Or is it a different version? Is it any good? Is the other stuff on the CD any good? I need to know because I don't want to blow $18 if I can help it... Thanks, all. guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:25:13 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com Subject: Re: Glass Flamebait On Fri, 16 May 97 The Great Quail flamed vitriolically: > What? My God, this is the exact kind of thinking that makes me furious! > I mean, haven't we all been through this tedious flame war *far* too > many times? Those freaking chemists, man. Always ready to start a > fight....etc, etc, etc...... ROTFL!!! Oh great Quail: Thankyouthankyouthankyou Just as I was starting to get thoroughly sick of this stupid no-win thread you come along and make my day. Can we talk about something else now? Just NOT Brian Wilson is all I ask. ~N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:37:54 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics On Fri, 16 May 1997 Jesus' friend Terry said: > Glass isn't supercool. It's a 3 chord song... Yay! Well said Terry. I think you finally got the list back on track. > Brian Wilson is supercool also. ARRGGHH! I take it all back! ~N (Linking Jesus to the Buddha in less than six movies) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:13:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics > ~N > (Linking Jesus to the Buddha in less than six movies) Oh that's an easy one. Willem Defoe as Jesus to David Bowie as Pontius Pilate in "Last Temptation" David Bowie and Chris Isaak were both in "Fire Walk With Me" Chris Isaak was Dad to Keanu Reeves as the Last Buddha Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:16:53 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Sears jingle lyric I've seen a commercial for Sears. The first words of their little song are: "Hey Lover, how 'bout some garden supplies?" RH would be proud JL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:17:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Sears jingle lyric On Fri, 16 May 1997, John Tyson Littlejohn wrote: > I've seen a commercial for Sears. The first words of their little song > are: "Hey Lover, how 'bout some garden supplies?" > > RH would be proud > In a related note: A friend of mine reviews grant proposals as part of his job. He forwarded one on to me that had to do with a drug company offering to sponsor the study of "vaginal flora". Sounded to me like a phrase mistakenly left out of "Agony of Pleasure" or something. (if you know, please don't write and explain what it really is, I have a feeling I don't want to know- and no, it has nothing to do with Georgia O'Keefe, I already asked :)) Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:13:51 -0400 Subject: Paul McCartney (0% RH content) Totally off-topic, but not trying to attract flames..... Tomorrow at 1pm Eastern time, Macca will be live on VH1 answering questions submitted by fans via mail and internet. No, he's not answering any of my 5 so I'm a bit bummed, but his new album sounds pretty good. Marcy ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 05:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mazzy Star (70% Rain Parade content) I know that Mazzy Star includes Mr. Dave Roback of Rain Parade. 1) Is this popular? I see a *lot* of their CD's around... 2) Is Dave's band as good as Steve's band? 3) That song "Your Woman" by White Town is pretty good...(andit's a hit.....prolly the best real hit since...well, a while, what with The Spice Girls, Sheryl Crow, and Alannis Morissette....) Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: Terry_Linnig@hccompare.com Date: Fri, 16 May 97 18:12:16 cst Subject: Little Blue Houses This may sound like a stupid question from one who lives in Chicago, but someone once told me there are no stupid questions - only questions which make no sense. What's the best way to get to the House of Blues from the Lakeview area (I don't get out enough)?? Also, are there any plans for a pre-show Feg cocktail or two?? Thanks Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:05:24 -0700 From: Ferris Scott Thomas Subject: From just center of left Fegs- Interesting threads lately. The combination Limbaugh and Christian/Buddist/enter-your-religion-here bashing is quite fun. Personally I'm rather taoist about the trials and tribs of this mortal coil--but enough about me. Quite accidentally a friend and I stumbled accross an interesting site a while ago. While I've only managed to ingest the first ten pages and some other incidental bits, it's interesting in that it takes a generous stab at shooting to shit the Christocentric attitude that's lead to such utterly crappy things as the Crusades and Jim Bakker (sp?). Check it out if you have a month. http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/ Peace. -ferris. -- Friday or Saturday, what does that mean? Short space of time needs a heavy scene Monday is coming like a jail on wheels -The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 22:19:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Theological musings (was Re: Spinbaughlicious) On Fri, 16 May 1997, donald andrew snyder wrote: > Well, since this almost counts as homework...round 2. Ding! Round 3! In his last post, Andy gave a couple definitions of religion: > "the transformation of human existence from self-centredness to > Reality-centredness"--John Hick (the Divine and the Eternal One were > deemed too theistically coloured) Reality-centredness? Whose reality? What reality? IS there an absolute reality? Oh, man, is this one a loaded gun! > "the primary form of culture in terms of which we human beings explicitly > ask the existential question of the meaning of ultimate reality for > us"--Schubert Ogden That's much better. That definition would bring Eastern thought systems into the fold as well, which I like. But again, the old problem of this definition vs. the way the term is commonly understood. I really do think that most people here in the West assume that religion necessarily involves worshipping a deity. If you don't believe me -you- try explaining Taoism to my grandmother. I've given up! :) > Anyway, I admit that most of this is about Christian doctrine and not > practice. According to the revealed text, a person cannot be saved by > fear of the lord, but only by God's grace. So all those TV preachers and most (couldn't say all, now could I, without knowing each and every one) of their followers are not saved! Wahoo! Who wants to be the first to go tell 'em? :) > Augustine's main point is that the law only lets you know what you should > do, but without God's grace a person is never able to uphold the law. Sounds almost like Calvinism (key word- almost :)). Anyway, Augustine is all very well, but I doubt in actual practice this what most Sunday churchgoers are thinking when they read the Ten Commandments. They probably just want rules to follow and some structure to their lives. My suspicion is that the kind of naturally following the rules, right hand doesn't know what the left is doing Christianity is fairly uncommon. At least I've seen very few examples of it. > Did anyone hear Randy Newman's Faust? It's rather entertaining. My > favorite part is where the devil is telling the girl, > "The man who shot you in the head, in that Burger King in Tuson, you know > he never will be punished for it..." > It was playing in Chicago for a while. You ought to see "Highway 61". I especially like the part where the Devil explains how he knew he was the Devil ("and I took her virginity....and that night, I found out that Elvis had died"), and the little girl whose soul he buys by painting her a picture of her life as a fat old lady in a trailer park, which he promises to prevent by making her famous :). Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 23:51:19 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Theological musings (was Re: Spinbaughlicious) On Sat, 17 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > > Anyway, I admit that most of this is about Christian doctrine and not > > practice. According to the revealed text, a person cannot be saved by > > fear of the lord, but only by God's grace. > > So all those TV preachers and most (couldn't say all, now could I, without > knowing each and every one) of their followers are not saved! Wahoo! Who > wants to be the first to go tell 'em? :) This is probably the least of our worries. If someone is acting based upon fear of the Lord, then that's fine and dandy with me, but interpreting a divine command to spread the Word through imperialism and a closed mind is a bit far from the Christian message. Unfortunately, in our society it is the Christian Right and televangelists who get all the attention--not the saints. What's exciting about a saint anyway? Thus, attacks on these prominent displays of religious interpretation become full fledged attacks on the doctrines from which they arose. A Christian is to love thy neighbor as thyself, which first means being open and accepting to them. In my opinion, much of what is classified as Christian is not very Christian. This in not a new idea: See Kierkegaard's Attack Upon Christendom. > > Augustine's main point is that the law only lets you know what you should > > do, but without God's grace a person is never able to uphold the law. > > Sounds almost like Calvinism (key word- almost :)). Probably because Calvin got it from Augustine. > You ought to see "Highway 61". I especially like the part where the Devil Perhaps I should know this, but is this related to what's his name? BTW, I just got back from seeing Guided By Voices. These guys can put on a show, kicks and all. Too bad Robyn is not playing with a band anymore:( Take care, Andy ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 02:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Theological musings (was Re: Spinbaughlicious) You know...this all *started* with a Robyn-related topic, and I'm beginning to regret asking a simple question... I'm not gonna give my views on this subject, because, well, I believe that 90% of the list disagrees with me... What say we let it drop... Oh...and about that Respect/Eye, Beatle, Wilson/Dylan thing.... For the most part, There was a strong Eye-John-Dylan correlation... (But there weren't many Paul or George votes...I think that The Beatles get too much credit and that JOhn gets too much credit for THe Beatles..) And...There were mass cultural revolts against the Monkees and The Bee Gees. They had been quite popular and within a month, people decide that they weren't "Real" enough, so they shouldn't get radio play/positive press. Any other bands that this happened to? Any ideas on why this hapened? (apart from jealousy) And anyone who blames Jimmy Swaggart for the downfall of The Monkees is gonna get seriously flamed... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 04:12:16 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Religion, etc... On Sun, 18 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > You know...this all *started* with a Robyn-related topic, and I'm > beginning to regret asking a simple question... > I'm not gonna give my views on this subject, because, well, I believe that > 90% of the list disagrees with me... > What say we let it drop... Nah. I wonder about Robyn beliefs. One could almost gather from his songs that he's a pantheist. > And...There were mass cultural revolts against the Monkees and The Bee > Gees. They had been quite popular and within a month, people decide that > they weren't "Real" enough, so they shouldn't get radio play/positive > press. Any other bands that this happened to? Any ideas on why this > hapened? (apart from jealousy) Human nature > And anyone who blames Jimmy Swaggart for the downfall of The Monkees is > gonna get seriously flamed... One can only blame Jimmy Swaggart for the downfall of his pants. JL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 15:23:00 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Religion, etc... On Sun, 18 May 1997, John Tyson Littlejohn wrote: > Nah. I wonder about Robyn beliefs. One could almost gather from his > songs that he's a pantheist. That's right. And a Jungian archetypes pantheist to boot, I shouldn't wonder. Only the stones remain. - Mike "Don't Step on My Aquastat" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:55:10 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: (no RH) BG's/Monkees Terrence M Marks wrote: > I think that The Beatles > get too much credit and that JOhn gets too much credit for THe Beatles.. The Beatles had a perfect (not to mention unprecedented and unduplicated) career from Please Please Me-Abbey Road. How can you not give 'em the credit that they deserve? As for John, no one (not even Paul) denies that Lennon was the leader of the group (I can provide quotes if you need 'em). All the money in the world couldn't get the "Threetles" to be "The Beatles" without John Lennon. John gets "too much credit"?! Isn't that what Mark David Chapman was heard muttering? (Just joking, Terry..!) > And...There were mass cultural revolts against the Monkees and The Bee > Gees. They had been quite popular and within a month, people decide that > they weren't "Real" enough, so they shouldn't get radio play/positive > press. Any other bands that this happened to? Milli Vanilli! Most '80's metal bands! And soon...Spice Girls! > Any ideas on why this > hapened? (apart from jealousy) "Within a month" exaggerates things a bit. The Monkees TV show was cancelled as they tried to wrest control of their own destiny away from the producers, so their LP sales/radio airplay suffered accordingly. I was a Monkees fan as a kid (where are all my old bubblegum cards, anyway?) and I remember seeing "Head" in a Woolco department store and thinking "I didn't know the Monkees had a new album out!" Outtasite, outtamind. No "mass, cultural revolt"...just disgruntled corporate weasels trying to keep the pre-fab four in their "box" (see the movie "Head"). As for the Gibb Bros., they burned out their own act by releasing too many singles and farming out their sound to other "artists" like Brother Andy and Samantha Sang. One can only take so much high falsetto in 4/4 time before one vomits. Then, when the Stones, Wings, Rod Stewart, etc. did disco tunes, there was a "disco sucks" campaign on rock radio (starting with Steve Dahl in Chicago and then replicated by Lee Abrams consulted stations) which, unjustly or not, caused the composers of the Sat. Night Fever soundtrack to be reviled. But, now that we can trace disco to NIN, all is forgiven and the BeeGee's are enshrined in Cleveland. And so it goes. > Remember-Jesus is your friend. I think the Doobie Brothers said it best! hal ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: (no RH) BG's/Monkees > Terrence M Marks wrote: > > > I think that The Beatles > > get too much credit and that JOhn gets too much credit for THe Beatles.. > > The Beatles had a perfect (not to mention unprecedented and > unduplicated) career from Please Please Me-Abbey Road. How can you not Unduplicated...that's easy. ("Hey, Jim...I got this idea for an album, it's called Rubber Soul...lemme play a few songs for you" "Sorry. The Beatles did that 30 years ago") And perfect? I'll just assume that that's the hype talking. The first few albums were disposable teenybopper rock. Abbey Road strikes me as mostly Chuck Berry retreads. Either you're saying "no bum songs" which is wrong, or "mostly good", which would fit either The Kinks or The Beach Boys from 1964-1970 also. You could just as easily say that Rain Parade or The Soft Boys had 100% perfection.... > give 'em the credit that they deserve? As for John, no one (not even > Paul) denies that Lennon was the leader of the group (I can provide > quotes if you need 'em). All the money in the world couldn't get the > "Threetles" to be "The Beatles" without John Lennon. John gets "too much > credit"?! Isn't that what Mark David Chapman was heard muttering? (Just > joking, Terry..!) Well...I bet if Paul was dead, people would say he's the leader also...John and Paul were both necessary for the Beatles sounds...I'm just tired of people going aroudn saying "Yeah, John wrote all the cool songs" then slagging George and Paul. (I don't care much for Ringo. In most every band except The Monkees, the drummer has been expendable) > > And...There were mass cultural revolts against the Monkees and The Bee > > Gees. They had been quite popular and within a month, people decide that > > they weren't "Real" enough, so they shouldn't get radio play/positive > > press. Any other bands that this happened to? > > Milli Vanilli! Most '80's metal bands! And soon...Spice Girls! Well, Milli Vanill was more a matter of scandal than spontaneous public outrage. And the 80's metal bands..well, that was a change in styles. And I can only hope that the Spice Girls will be gone soon. > > Any ideas on why this > > hapened? (apart from jealousy) > > "Within a month" exaggerates things a bit. The Monkees TV show was > cancelled as they tried to wrest control of their own destiny away from > the producers, so their LP sales/radio airplay suffered accordingly. I > was a Monkees fan as a kid (where are all my old bubblegum cards, > anyway?) and I remember seeing "Head" in a Woolco department store and > thinking "I didn't know the Monkees had a new album out!" Outtasite, > outtamind. No "mass, cultural revolt"...just disgruntled corporate > weasels trying to keep the pre-fab four in their "box" (see the movie > "Head"). I've been *trying* to find "Head". Unfort, my Blockbuster doesn't carry it...(The Liner Notes to the Rhino CD's make it sound like The Monkees were sailing fine, then everyone jumped on them....) > > Remember-Jesus is your friend. > > I think the Doobie Brothers said it best! > "Mississippi moon, won't you keep on shinin'"? Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:42:58 -0500 From: Hal Brandt CC: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Re: (no RH) Fabs Terrence M Marks wrote: > I bet if Paul was dead, people would say he's the leader "John Lennon is the leader of the group." -Paul McCartney (27 October 1962; first-ever radio interview) > Abbey Road strikes me as mostly > Chuck Berry retreads. You must've based your opinion on the lawsuit over "Come Together", the song that quoted a Berry lyric ("Here come ol' flattop..."). You really need to listen to this masterpiece again (and again!) > I don't care much for Ringo. In most > every band except The Monkees, the drummer has been expendable Listen to "Rain" or "A Day In The Life" and tell me that Ringo's distinctive sound was expendable. What are you, a Pete Best fan? Bands where drummers weren't expendable, either: Grateful Dead The Who ELP Terry Bozzio-era Frank Zappa The Doors Nirvana The Band +many more, but it's sunny and 80 degrees and I don't want to think about it any longer hal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:07:57 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: (RH PS Only) BG's/Karen OK, I'll bite on this one! The Beatles never wrote anything as good as "To Love Somebody" - check out the Nina Simone version ... (*** Sorry *** a bit of this got lost in the ether ***) ... or "Goodbye to Love" come to that. Admittedly that doesn't make the Carpenters "better" than the Beatles because their live act was excruciatingly bad from the TV clips I have seen - are we talking songwriting, recording, or performing here? - Mike Godwin PS I was listening to 'Kingdom of Love' by the Soft Boys yesterday. It sounded really brash and stuttery compared to the smooth silky Egyptians version. I know you're out there somewhere ready to disagree! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:24:40 -0500 (CDT) From: David Witzany Subject: What's brown glass for? The obvious answer to the Great Quail's question: To store beer in, of course. Lamer. Dave :*) David Witzany witzany@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers ------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .