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Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Heroes and Villains and Limbaugh Re: Devil, Limbaugh (not quite synonymous) Limbaugh and Politics Re: Spinbaughlicious Re: Queen Elvis CD Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: fwd: Fegtaste Re: Robyn Titles Crossover list Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: Limbaugh and Politics Limbouagh Re: Limbaugh and Politics Ok, I'll bite Re: Feg Digest V5 #98 Limbo / Bimbaugh Queen Elvis CD twice in one day heretics! Limbaugh In Robyn's Words Portland Arms Trader Vic's Won't make Detroit concert Re: Limbo / Bimbaugh Re: Trader Vic's Re: Portland Arms Re: Portland Arms Re: twice in one day Re: Trader Vic's Re: Portland Arms Re: twice in one day Re: Queen Elvis CD Re: twice in one day SpewCs a least once every day Tonight Show Re: twice in one day Oops! Portland Arms CD Re: Tonight Show Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: Heroes and Villains and Limbaugh Re: twice in one day Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: Portland Arms Kung Fu Fighting Re: Limbaugh and Politics Re: Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:27:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Heroes and Villains and Limbaugh On Tue, 13 May 1997, LSDiamond wrote: > Doesn't anyone remember that "The Devil's Radio" wasn't about talk radio at > all? It's about gossip.. I feel compelled to point out that George Harrison's was and Robyn's isn't :). > Ironically, the reference to Rush Limbaugh is exactly that--gossip and > mischaracterization.. Limbaugh is a staunch (American) conservative, who > has consistently stood for self-reliance, volunteerism, and good > old-fashioned satire. Oh yeah. That must be why when Al Franken took a satiric shot at him (using his own tactics- i.e., personal insult) he and his fans lashed out and whined like babies. He still hasn't answered Franken's point that he, Mr. Limbaugh himself, has actually been on public assistance before. I guess it's alright for him to use it, just not anybody else. > He has as consistently been misrepresented as a > racist hate-monger Yeah, I have to say that's not what he is. What he is is someone who huffs and puffs and fails to blow the house down. If he's so damn sure he's right how come only "dittohead" callers make it onto his show? OH yeah, I forgot, occasionally he lets on callers with opposing views, but only if they are stupid or hysterical or both. In other words, I'd really like to see him argue with someone who's -capable- of it, but I don't think his ego could handle it. > merely because he has not kowtowed to the classic Liberal > ideas that minorities (any citizens, really) are unable on their own but > require the intervention of Big Government. I have to say, this really makes me angry. Classic liberal by whose definition? You perhaps are referring to the relatively modern definition of a liberal along the lines of LBJ or Roosevelt (who actually was a fine president, IMHO, but let's not get into that now). Liberalism is a much older tradition than this, and has to do with quite a bit more than big government. For example, it has much to do with not wanting the government to be able to legislate morality- in this, a Classic liberal, as you put it, actually has a lot more in common with a Libertarian than a Democrat or Republican (both actually parties of fatcats if you ask me, and I know, nobody did). I resent the assertion that all those who call themselves liberals are about is giving the government control of everyone's life. Love on ya, Susan who voted for Nader because he was the only candidate that didn't completely disgust me ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 20:00:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Devil, Limbaugh (not quite synonymous) MissisSusan wrote: >I feel compelled to point out that George Harrison's was and Robyn's >isn't :). Did George Harrison have a song called "Devil's Radio"?? >OH yeah, I >forgot, occasionally [Rush] lets on callers with opposing views, but only if >they are stupid or hysterical or both. In other words, I'd really like to >see him argue with someone who's -capable- of it, but I don't think his >ego could handle it. That is SOOO true...my gripe exactly. He stacks the deck. I mean, even a rube like David Letterman can make Rush look feeble, once Rush is plucked from the womb-like comfort of his own environment. Hmm, I remember the last time Rush was on Letterman. He was sneering about how people say Hilary C. is so independent/feminist/whatever, and yet she just went to college to get her "MRS" degree. Nice try, Rush -- it's cute how he conveniently forgets about what a successful lawyer Hilary was, and how she even outearned Bill for a time. Heck, I think she outearned Bill LAST year, thanks to that book she wrote. ;) Limbaugh on ya (oof), Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:11:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Valenta Subject: Limbaugh and Politics OK, I'm not a big talker on the list, but I really have to say something. I love a good political chat as much as the next person, and I am certainly open to talking politics on this list if that's what members want. What I really don't care to do, is indirectly argue our political opinions by talking about Rush Limbaugh. Let's face it, the man is an entertainer and he is good at what he does. If you don't like it, don't listen. And please, for God's sake, don't fight about him over the list. He is not the topic of this list. On the other hand, politics certainly plays into Robyn's music and if you want to talk about that, more power to you. I for one, have not seen one convincing analysis of Robyn's "Devil's Radio" yet. I had always assumed that the song was down on Limbaugh (partially because of my politics) and partially because of the lyrics. Don't you think the line, "Don't touch that dial or that hateful smile," "He's [the devil] is listening to the FM talk show host, It's what he loves the best," or "...thew flowers of intolerance and hatred are blooming kind of early this year, someone's been watering them?" are all condemning hate radio? Now, if looking at the line where he refers to Rush, its followed by the first quote, "Don't touch that dial or that hateful smile." Clearly, Robyn does not like Rush. And I think that settles it. Interestingly enough, here in Chicago, Rush in on AM. :) Matt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Spinbaughlicious From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:19:17 EDT On Wed, 14 May 1997 19:49:49 -0500 (CDT) Gregory Stuart Shell >4. Would it not be better to have lived your life and died as a >Christian who >was mislead regarding salvation than to have lived your life as a >non-believer >only to learn after death that the Christians were right? Ah... the old reliable Pascalian Wager, eh? A decent argument, but it has a fatal flaw--one could use it for any of the world religions. In other words, it's only an argument against pure, unadulterated atheism. This Western Philosophical Moment sponsored by Dole Bananas. The new Dole slogan is: "I like bananas... because they have no bones" The Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:31:44 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Queen Elvis CD At 08:32 AM 5/14/97 EDT, you wrote: > >On Tue, 13 May 1997 20:31:14 -0500 (CDT) John Tyson Littlejohn >>BTW, it's pretty useless. 2 good songs ("Devil's Coachman" and "Wax >>Doll"). It's not the Holy Grail, quite the opposite - like the >>Beatles' >>Anthology. > >Aw, come on, it's not THAT bad! One Long Pair is a great tune--on par >with Airscape, in my book. Veins of the Queen is ok, so is Swirling, >What about Superman? Freeze? I'll agree that Knife and Autumn Sea are >inferior, >but QE overall is pretty similar to the other A&M things. OK, it's not >his best CD, but it isn't a Groovy Decoy, either. Oh, yes.. please don't diss QE too badly.. it's gotta be one of my fave albums.. It usually gets most of the songs on any compilation tapes I make.. I don't like Knife all that well, but I love any of Robyn's stories, so Autumn Sea is in my top5 for that album.. Superman is a TRIP.. that's what got my dad to start listening.. I was washing dishes, listening to QE and he comes in the kitchen and goes "Did he just say "Crunchy little Superman"??? then he, too, was hooked... ah well.. that's just one of my silly stories.. *hoping she doesn't get a heap of flames for liking QE in addition to defending Mr. Limbaugh* LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last of the Red-Hot Swamis... http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:39:52 EDT On Wed, 14 May 1997 22:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Matthew Valenta writes: > Let's face it, the man is an entertainer >and he is good at what he does. If you don't like it, don't listen. Pah! I cannot "face" the claim that he's a good entertainer because it's simply not true. He's horrible! I don't like him or his show... and I don't listen. >Clearly, Robyn does not like Rush. I agree with you here... and I think this only goes to show what great taste and discernment our man Robyn has. Cap'n Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:36:11 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: fwd: Fegtaste At 11:02 AM 5/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >======== Original Message ======== >Well, I was just about to write an email responding to the >Feg who disparaged "Man With A Woman's Shadow", when >I got an email from Russ who was respoding to my "Autumn >Sea" is inferior comment--seems he likes it. Just goes to >show you, we all like such different stuff. So sorry, Russ... >no harm intended. > >I like bananas, because... well, you know why. > >The Guambat >======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >I like 'em because they're yellow. Just goes to show we all like different >aspects of the same stuff! :) > > -russ i love your take on that!! LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last of the Red-Hot Swamis... http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:38:18 -0500 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Robyn Titles Crossover list >Satellite: Echo & The Bunnymen, Elvis Costello, Depeche Mode And the Dave Matthews Band... LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last of the Red-Hot Swamis... http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:47:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Valenta Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics On Wed, 14 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997 22:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Matthew Valenta > writes: > > > Let's face it, the man is an entertainer > >and he is good at what he does. If you don't like it, don't listen. > > Pah! I cannot "face" the claim that he's a good entertainer > because it's simply not true. He's horrible! I don't like > him or his show... and I don't listen. I didn't really mean that I like him either. But, if millions of people read and listen to him, they must find something entertaining to them! (Or maybe they're zombies..... No flames, I'm just kidding!) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics [If the following text looks weird, it's because IndyNet is acting up again.] On Wed, 14 May 1997, Matthew Valenta wrote: > What > I really don't care to do, is indirectly argue our political opinions by > talking about Rush Limbaugh. I'll try to say something besides "me too", even though I really had intended my next post to be the _Musician_ excerpt that was requested way back when and that I have here somewhere. IMO the three flamewars that produce the most heat and the least light are politics, religion, and "Glass is a supercooled liquid that slowly flows, and you can see it in old windows and I don't care what the physicists say". If anyone would like to know what Rush Limbaugh has actually said, the search engine of your choice will kick up hundreds of pages about him. If anyone would like to know the rebuttals, uh, ditto. I especially hate to see this prickliness here because a couple of years ago feg was comfortably accomodating a fairly diverse group of posters with little apparent tension. One of my all-time favorite posters was a fundamentalist Christian whose beliefs were to the right of mine on about everything, for example, and I can't imagine that a Bible quote in someone's .sig or in their post would have drawn much comment. I don't think it's necessary to keep *silent* about things you feel strongly, and I don't buy the line that by stating your position you are insulting those who feel otherwise. But please think twice before adding to an off-topic thread that's likely to anger people, and remember that the people you disagree with probably hold their beliefs as strongly as you do yours. Toast Mother ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:24:19 EDT On Wed, 14 May 1997 22:47:49 -0500 (CDT) Matthew Valenta writes: >I didn't really mean that I like him either. But, if millions of >people >read and listen to him, they must find something entertaining to them! >(Or maybe they're zombies..... > No flames, I'm just kidding!) I didn't intend my post as a "flame", either--but I do think Rush is a putz. As far as this "argument from numbers" goes... well, millions of people like Michael Bolton and millions of kids watch "Saved By the Bell", and many (notice I didn't say millions :) people would have voted for Pat Buchanan if he would have been nominated... this kind of argument is essentially useless because it can be used for just about anything, and it doesn't really prove anything. Millions of people found Hitler very "entertaining"... get my point? You know, this is probably exactly what Robyn was getting at with his song. Just because "millions" tune in and cheer on the pompous bozo does not mean that there's anything of value in his message. The fact that people actually get "entertainment" from his diatribes and personality attacks just shows how duped they are... What are we coming to? I mean, pretty soon we'll have videotaped lynchings and beatings and we'll all tune in and get a great big belly laugh out of it. Incite the masses to insurrection and eventually they will insurrect, ala Oklahoma City. Mr. Limbaugh might only be doing it for ratings--in other words, he wants to line his own big, fat wallet--but where it all comes out in the end is the scary bit. Some two-bit militia Marine-reject will blow up the United Nations bldg. or something... that's what I think makes Robyn's song so... pertinent. OK--I promise to get off my soapbox and not post any more on this subject. Consider me finished. The Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:50:55 -0600 From: Mark Ponder Subject: Limbouagh >Other conservatives attack Clinton on legitimate grounds. I have no problem with that. Limbaugh's attacks are ridiculous and specious. I don't hate Limbaugh because he's (apparently) conservative. As one of the few (I fear) resident Republicans, I must agree with this, at least in part. Rush is, by far, the most annoying of the daytime GOP Greats. He does tend to bluster a good deal. I tend to either go with Ken Hamblin (aka the Black Avenger) or the great G. Gorden Liddy. Liddy, as you may remember, engineered the Watergate break-ins. He runs a syndicated DC talk show that is mainly political, with some incredible digressions (a ten year old calls in with problems with bullies, the life of a prison inmate, etc). He is quite right wing, but is respected by the likes of Marion Barry, for what that's worth. The problem with Rush is he is the most visible of the conservative pundits, which is unfortunate; there are many other and better ones. This is probably why Robyn chose to highlight Rush; he is quite the easy target (no weight joke intended). And yes, I do find The Devil's Radio to be interesting, though I don't necessarily agree with the whole song. Mark Ponder ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics > and many (notice I didn't say millions :) people would have > voted for Pat Buchanan if he would have been nominated... this kind At the risk of, well...at the risk. I don't think that Pat Buchanan is *that* bad a guy. (I know that if I were a full-time pudnit, some of my comments would probably have offended a few people...) (I voted for Alan "no media coverage" Keyes, if anyone cares) > pretty soon we'll have videotaped lynchings and beatings and we'll all > tune in and get a great big belly laugh out of it. Incite the masses to > insurrection and eventually they will insurrect, ala Oklahoma City. have you seen 1) "The network" 2) America's Funniest Home Videos 3) And of those people-getting-seriously-injured-on-home-video style shows? The future is now, man...(well..not literally) Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: "Lee Gray" Subject: Ok, I'll bite Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:16:45 -0500 Keeping up the good ol' public-list-&-mail tradition of jumping right in on the first thing that catches your eye... > > Bible-quoting too? > 4. Would it not be better to have lived your life and died as a Christian who > was mislead regarding salvation than to have lived your life as a non-believer > only to learn after death that the Christians were right? Err, would it not be better to have lived your life and died as a [insert fave major world cult] who was mislead regarding [insert item that that cult's theories hinge upon] than to have lived your life as a Christian only to learn after death that the [insert fave major world cult]s were right? ;> Lee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:20:43 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Re: Feg Digest V5 #98 The uberUber wrote: >Does anyone know if the line, "Michael/Don't you know someday..." is >a reference to Michael Reagan? I'd decided the same thing, though for some reason I also thought Stipe might be an acceptable answer. Somehow the crucifiction image fit with him. And maybe Jackson would just be wishful thinking. 8^D Toodles. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:10:02 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Limbo / Bimbaugh Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > > The uberUber wrote: > > >Does anyone know if the line, "Michael/Don't you know someday..." is > >a reference to Michael Reagan? > > I'd decided the same thing, though for some reason I also thought Stipe > might be an acceptable answer. Somehow the crucifiction image fit with him. > And maybe Jackson would just be wishful thinking. 8^D Not really addressing the question, but this brings to mind Robyn's knack/obsession/style of inserting names into songs. I've always liked this for some reason. You really warm to a song, it becomes familiar and personal somehow, as if Robyn is chatting with you about some mutual friend. "Hey, Brenda did this today." Leaving off surnames does wonders. Getting more to the point concerning references, if it were any other artist, I'd say they were just trying to find a name that rhymes with "spike", though it seems to me that Robyn picks a name first based on its sound and goes from there. He certainly picked Limbaugh first (ah..a surname...hmmm), then found something to rhyme with it. I think it'd be interesting to see a list of all the names Robyn has ever used in songs (anyone up to such a mundane and useless task?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:51:21 +0200 From: wcs Subject: Queen Elvis CD Hey! Who's ragging on Queen Elvis? Superman, Veins of the Queen, Freeze, Wax Doll, Swirling, ... This is one kick-ass album. (The CD has the Royal Mix of VotQ and a second version of Freeze to boot.) Personally, I find the album much more listenable than PI, and the fact that Robyn signed my copy (he put everything he wrote in the windows of the telephone booth) makes it all the more endearing to me. Will, who had to stop his perpetual lurking to give his two cents. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:07:33 +0200 From: wcs Subject: twice in one day Go figure - I haven't said a word in months, and now twice in one day. Somebody wrote: >4. Would it not be better to have lived your life and died as a Christian who >was mislead regarding salvation than to have lived your life as a non-believer >only to learn after death that the Christians were right? And I have a hard time believing that he or she has any idea what he/she is talking about. Are you saying Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or you name it are non-believers? Or are you just admitting that your horizons are so small that you've never heard that there are other religions besides Christianity? It is inexcusably arrogant to believe that because one believes in a different God (even if it be no God at all) they could lead a better life. Who are you to judge? If you're really saying that if we all believe what you deem fit, we'll all be better off in the long run, I gotta tell you, who the hell needs your f'ing lifestyle? Everybody calls this kind of thinking the Christian Right. I say Nazis by any other name still stink to hell. Grow up and open up, man, your kind of thinking is irresponsible. Now descending from the soapbox, Will ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:11:47 -0400 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: heretics! OK. Fine. Pick on Christianity. No problem. I, as a Christian, am used to that. But when you start slagging QUEEN ELVIS, look out. Grrrrr. ;-) Slightly more seriously, folks, I am very thrilled to be a Christian. And, yes, some of the recent religious debate around here does occasionally make my glasses fog up a little. But, as long as the debate remains gentle and not without thought, it doesn't cause my synapses to fuse or anything. All I care about is a little mutual respect. Or a little mutual spectre, for those to like extra talking. Dolph P.S.: I'm a Baptist, even, but I'm probably the only Baptist who prefers Zappa to Limbaugh, so who am I to judge? ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Limbaugh In Robyn's Words Feggies, I don't want to belabour the topic anymore, but I thought this might be of interest. It seems pretty clear from this what his intentions were, and his position. "'Driving Aloud (Radio Storm)' is about a weather forcast, whereas this is more to do with hate radio. I gather you have various hate radio programs in this very city?" -Robyn Hitchcock on the topic of "Devil's Radio"- 10/30/96, WXRT, Chicago Sincerely, Jay H. ------------------------------ Subject: Portland Arms From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:33:55 EDT Rush Limbaugh content - 0% I recently picked up the Soft Boys 1976-81 compilation by Ryko and I happened across a Portland Arms CD. My question is, is this something worth buying? Is the sound quality good? Are the songs better than the versions on the other Ryko reissues? Just curious... BTW, I am pretty pleased with the compilation, although there are some repeats on there (from the other Rykodisc reissues). But I guess that can't be helped, since I'm sure they were going for the stuff with the best sound quality. I must admit that I'm just now getting "into" the Soft Boys again, after going through a period of not listening to them for a few years. I'm also curious to hear how people would compare/contrast the Soft Boys vs. Robyn's later stuff (including the Egyptians). Seems to me that the songwriting is better, although some of the Soft Boys' stuff is really good. Less misogyny in the solo career, and a different sense of humor, it seems--Soft Boys humor is a bit more ascerbic and bizarre. Also, much more animal references with the Soft Boys... Anything else? Thanks, The Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:05:50 -0700 From: "Hughie Green's lovechild" Subject: Trader Vic's Tom Clark sed: > I saw Brian Wilson drinking a guava and tequila at Trader Vic's. Yes, but was his hair perfect? Re: Katrina and the Waves.... I like the quote that appeared in this week's Melody Maker: "We've been where English and American acts go when they can't get deals in England and America - Germany. We were on Polygram and Virgin. We've made nine albums and we're the same four members". Nine Albums ???????? Give me strength. Something to amuse: Last night, I was driving through Shepherd's Bush and was involved in a "road rage" incident. A driver of a brand new Jaguar convertible weaved back and forth through several lanes of traffic and nearly hit me 3 times. When we were parallel at the traffic lights I wound my window down to offer my opinions on his driving skills and to question his parentage, only to discover it was Michael Hutchence from INXS. If I had noticed sooner, I would've been even ruder. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Won't make Detroit concert From: "Mike O'Connor" I'm being called in to handle a problem with AOL's mail machines and won't be able to make it to the Robyn concert in Detroit. I NEED SYMPATHY!!!!!!!!!! -- Michael J. O'Connor | WWW: http://dojo.mi.org/~mjo/ | Email: mjo@dojo.mi.org InterNIC WHOIS: MJO | (has my PGP & Geek Code info) | Phone: +1 810-848-4481 =--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= "The living dead don't NEED to solve word problems." -Calvin ------------------------------ From: "Tickle Me Tamagotchi" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:34:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Limbo / Bimbaugh So sayeth Runion, Michael R. : > I think it'd be interesting to see a list of all the names Robyn > has ever used in songs (anyone up to such a mundane and useless > task?) I'm working on it. A couple weeks ago, I posted to the list the idea of writing a new web page that will include an examination of common themes in Robyn's music. I had a positive repsonse and began working on an outline and organizing the subject matter. Amongst the topics I'll be covering is Robyn's use of names. It's coming along slowly but shirley. I'll keep you posted as to its status. L8rZ, --g "Religion was invented for the benefit of those who couldn't afford a therapist." --Glen Uber, 1997 ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:54:12 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Trader Vic's On Thu, 15 May 1997, Hughie Green's lovechild wrote: > > I saw Brian Wilson drinking a guava and tequila at Trader Vic's. > > Yes, but was his hair perfect? Got there before me! I hope you voted for the FILM of the same name. BTW, did you know it was Fleetwood and McVie playing rhythm with Warren on that one? I used to go and see them at Wood Green Fishmonger's Arms. I wonder what happened to them after that? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Portland Arms On Thu, 15 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > I recently picked up the Soft Boys 1976-81 compilation > by Ryko [...] is this something worth buying? This is your call ... I'm glad I have it but I'm also annoyed with it, and I don't listen to it all that often myself. The first disk in particular has lots of hard-to-find things, and is especially nice if you want the _Wading Through a Ventilator_ songs on CD. "Salamander" and "Heartbreak Hotel" are pretty cool, as are some of the demos and the like on disk 2 ... but honestly, why does anyone who's interested in the Soft Boys' "Book of Love" need the _UM_ "Queen of Eyes"? Surely they've got all the other albums already? And then there are the mysterious omissions like "Innocent Boy" ... IMO the bonus tracks on _UM_ were a lot stronger than the unreleased material on the boxed set, and they should have pulled them all together and done a rarities CD instead of padding out _UM_ with a CD's worth of second-string tracks that don't go with the album. For what that's worth. > and I happened across a Portland Arms CD. You lucky dog, you. Our Lady of Toast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:56:45 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Portland Arms On Thu, 15 May 1997, Total Fat 17 g wrote: > Rush Limbaugh content - 0% > > I recently picked up the Soft Boys 1976-81 compilation > by Ryko and I happened across a Portland Arms CD. > My question is, is this something worth buying? Is the > sound quality good? Are the songs better than the > versions on the other Ryko reissues? Just curious... It is brilliant, sensational, acoustic, but if you are a serious jazz saxophonist you might find it a trifle LOOSE. Worth buying for the mean old lean old in between old half unclean old Duke of Squeeze alone. Oh and Horns Large Horns... - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:13:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Re: twice in one day On Thu, 15 May 1997, wcs spewed: > >4. Would it not be better to have lived your life and died as a Christian > > who was mislead regarding salvation than to have lived your life as a > >non-believer only to learn after death that the Christians were right? > And I have a hard time believing that he or she has any idea what he/she is > talking about. 1.It was a question > Are you saying Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or you name > it are non-believers? Or are you just admitting that your horizons are so > small that you've never heard that there are other religions besides > Christianity? 2. I am Jewish > It is inexcusably arrogant to believe that > because one believes in a different God (even if it be no God at all) they > could lead a better life. Who are you to judge? If you're really saying that if we all > believe what you deem fit, we'll all be better off in the long run, I gotta > tell you, who the hell needs your f'ing lifestyle? Everybody calls this > kind of thinking the Christian Right. 3. please refer to responses 1 and 2 wcs, In the future, so you can better understand what I am trying to say,I will try to type a little slower. Regards, Gregory S. Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Trader Vic's > > > I saw Brian Wilson drinking a guava and tequila at Trader Vic's. > > Yes, but was his hair perfect? Perfect with inclinations towards balding. > > Re: Katrina and the Waves.... I like the quote that appeared in this > week's Melody Maker: "We've been where English and American acts go when > they can't get deals in England and America - Germany. We were on > Polygram and Virgin. We've made nine albums and we're the same four > members". Nine Albums ???????? Give me strength. So? maybe they were good albums. I bet if you had just heard BSDR, you wouldn't think that RObyn had 10 more albums in him... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:26:14 -0700 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: Portland Arms Total Fat 17 g wrote: > I recently picked up the Soft Boys 1976-81 compilation > by Ryko and I happened across a Portland Arms CD. > My question is, is this something worth buying? Is the > sound quality good? Are the songs better than the > versions on the other Ryko reissues? Just curious... I only finally picked up a clean vinyl copy of Portland Arms back in February, but I like it quite a bit. I'd much rather listen to it than Can Of Bees. It's definitely a fun show to listen too and presents the Soft Boys in their most natural environment - on stage (IMO). Hey, if you don't buy it, how about picking it up for me? "That's the notes, f*** it!" -Robyn (as he starts the wrong song and the band starts complaining) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:30:25 +0200 From: wcs Subject: Re: twice in one day Your arrogance is what led to this in the first place. I don't think you have any idea what you wrote. Even if it was a question, it was written pretty damned rhetorically. Obviously you like to bait - childish if you ask me. However quickly you type, think about what it is your communicating - yours was one of the stupider comments I've read in a long time. At 13:13 15.05.97 -0500, you wrote: >wcs, >In the future, so you can better understand what I am trying to say,I will try >to type a little slower. > >Regards, >Gregory S. Shell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:45:19 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Queen Elvis CD On Thu, 15 May 1997, wcs wrote: > Hey! Who's ragging on Queen Elvis? > Superman, Veins of the Queen, Freeze, Wax Doll, Swirling, ... This is one > kick-ass album. (The CD has the Royal Mix of VotQ and a second version of > Freeze to boot.) Personally, I find the album much more listenable than PI, > and the fact that Robyn signed my copy (he put everything he wrote in the > windows of the telephone booth) makes it all the more endearing to me. If RH signed my copy of Schmelvis I might like it, too. More likely I'd sell it to someone who did for an obscene profit. JL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:56:59 -0700 From: Debora Subject: Re: twice in one day Just de-lurking a moment to add something to this thread. No personal comments, in religion, politics, etc. it's safer and less stressful for me to think "to each his own" and leave it at that. But all this talk reminded me of one of my favourite jokes, told to me by someone with a lot of experience and wisdom: A Buddhist was flying in a plane when it began to experience engine trouble. Before he could think about what to do, the plane exploded. As he found himself plunging toward the ground and certain death, he cried "Save me Buddha! Save me!" In response a giant, loving hand came out of the sky and caught him, suspending him gently in the air. The man breathed a sigh of relief and said "Thank God". The hand promptly let him drop to his death. :-) On another note, to Mike, who is forced to miss the Detroit show, you have my sympathy! I've been there. Try to look forward to all the reports people will post about the show and enjoy it vicariously; it may ease the loss. Debora (waiting impatiently for the 4 shows in the NW to make up for missing most of his last Seattle show w/ Billy Bragg) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:10:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: SpewCs a least once every day On Sat, 17 May 1997, wcs spewed again: > Your arrogance is what led to this in the first place. > I don't think you have any idea what you wrote. Even if it was a question, > it was written pretty damned rhetorically. Obviously you like to bait - > childish if you ask me. > However quickly you type, think about what it is your communicating - yours > was one of the stupider comments I've read in a long time. > >wcs, > >In the future, so you can better understand what I am trying to say,I will > try to type a little slower. wcs, I am typing real slow now so YOU can understand. I apologize to the rest of the fegs for these last few flames, and I will probably get at least one more from wCs unless of course this works, but this should be my last regarding H&V&L and of course SPINBAUGHLICIOUS. Regards, Gregory S.Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst and of course so everyone remembers in case you missed it the first time JEW "Yesterday it seemed so cool and everything was fabulous, built of brick and made for an eternity." - Cult Leader Pretend ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Tonight Show After looking at woj's site, I noticed that Robyn will be in LA on Friday May 30th. I checked the scheduled guests list on the Tonight Show site, just for fun. Nobody has been announced for that night. I wonder if Robyn will show up? I'd like to see that. ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: Aidan Cully Subject: Re: twice in one day Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Debora wrote: > Just de-lurking a moment to add something to this thread. No personal > comments, in religion, politics, etc. it's safer and less stressful for > me to think "to each his own" and leave it at that. But all this talk > reminded me of one of my favourite jokes, told to me by someone with a > lot of experience and wisdom: > A Buddhist was flying in a plane when it began to experience engine > trouble. Before he could think about what to do, the plane exploded. > As he found himself plunging toward the ground and certain death, he > cried "Save me Buddha! Save me!" In response a giant, loving hand came > out of the sky and caught him, suspending him gently in the air. The > man breathed a sigh of relief and said "Thank God". The hand promptly > let him drop to his death. FWIW, this guy is not a very good Buddhist.. He's obviously too attached to his earthly existence to have approached Nirvana.. If he were a good buddhist, he would have spent his time falling in quiet meditation, and thinking of useful things to do while falling (like maneuvering to not land on living things, and trying to protect whatever was falling with him so that other people could use it later). praying to buddha, indeed. --aidan ------------------------------ Subject: Oops! From: guambat@juno.com (Total Fat 17 g) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:14:50 EDT Ack! I am sorry to say that I made a mistake on the title of the boot CD I found.. It is NOT "Portland Arms", but "Rout of the Clones", instead. I confused the titles, and I'm sorry for any cardiopulmonary problems I caused out there from fegs who thought it was suddenly available on CD. Sorry about that. I'll try to get my facts straight next time... The Guambat, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 97 12:10:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Portland Arms CD I had no idea there WAS a portland arms CD. Is this on Glass Fish or is it a bootleg? Does anyone else have this on CD? If so, please contact me ...I'd like to get some info for discography purposes. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:32:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Tonight Show >After looking at woj's site, I noticed that Robyn will be in LA on Friday >May 30th. I checked the scheduled guests list on the Tonight Show site, >just for fun. Nobody has been announced for that night. I wonder if >Robyn will show up? >I'd like to see that. I'm sure Leno will instead book some terrible mainstream country singer, like he usually does.... Eb ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics toast@indy.net (Tracy Aileen Copeland) writes: > IMO the three flamewars that produce the most heat and the least > light are politics, religion, and "Glass is a supercooled liquid that > slowly flows, and you can see it in old windows and I don't care what the > physicists say". If anyone would like to know what Rush Limbaugh has > actually said, the search engine of your choice will kick up hundreds of > pages about him. If anyone would like to know the rebuttals, uh, ditto. Amen, sister copeland. now let's all sing, "hark the angels come." though you are slightly wrong. the three biggest flamewars are politics, religion, and Brian Wilson: Genius or Schmuck.... ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Heroes and Villains and Limbaugh sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (Mississippi Malcolm McDowell) writes: > Love on ya, > Susan > who voted for Nader because he was the only candidate that didn't > completely disgust me as the great political theorist Peter Shelley once said, sooner or later, you're gonna listen to Ralph Nader......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:39:53 -0700 From: Debora Subject: Re: twice in one day Aidan Cully wrote: > praying to buddha, indeed. You're totally right about the philosophies of Buddhism; however any other religious deity could be substituted and the point would remain. Use Allah, Jesus, Great Spirit, etc. Debora ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:15:08 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics On Thu, 15 May 1997 TchdnJesus@aol.com wrote: > Brian Wilson: Genius or Schmuck.... A: Guck JL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:24:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Valenta Subject: Re: Portland Arms On Thu, 15 May 1997 mrrunion@tng.net wrote: > Total Fat 17 g wrote: > > > I recently picked up the Soft Boys 1976-81 compilation > > by Ryko and I happened across a Portland Arms CD. > > My question is, is this something worth buying? Is the > > sound quality good? Are the songs better than the > > versions on the other Ryko reissues? Just curious... I didn't know that Portland Arms was available on CD. Is it also from Rykodisc? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Kung Fu Fighting Just got my copy of "Alvin Lives (In Leeds)" yesterday, which as you know, contains "Kung Fu Fighting." I ordered my copy through: Round Flat Records P.O. Box 1676 Amherst, NY 14226 The CD is listed as: Various Artists "Anti Poll Tax Trax" $ 9.00 Shipping is $ 2.00 for the first item. They *do* have a website, which you can order from. However, I cannot remember the URL. Not a bad cd for $ 11. I quite like cud's version of "Bohemian Rhapsody". good luck griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:47:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Limbaugh and Politics TchdnJesus wrote: >the three biggest flamewars are politics, religion, and >Brian Wilson: Genius or Schmuck.... Not to mention the virtues/non-virtues of Queen Elvis. ;) Eb, not even DARING to utter the words "Groovy Decoy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:03:36 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Brian >On Thu, 15 May 1997 TchdnJesus@aol.com wrote: > >> Brian Wilson: Genius or Schmuck.... > >A: Guck But is he scumbaughlicious?? Eb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .