From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #96 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 96 Monday May 12 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: dylan, robyn, and the battle of the sani-cakes........ Re: This may be vile. . . . but it *is* RH related! Thomas Dolby's new gig (no RH! at all!) Re: Generic Post Re: dylan, robyn, and the battle of the sani-cakes........ Cor, it's a negative reality inversion! Re: Cor, it's a negative reality inversion! Music (really specific title) Re: Music (really specific title) Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: Music (really specific title) Re: Music (really specific title) Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Queen Elvis CD Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: Music (really specific title) Groovy Decoy Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) Re: robyn involved in syd film project Robyn in the Bay Area Ro:byn in the My Area Re: Ro:byn in the My Area Re: Generic Post ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 03:37:38 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: dylan, robyn, and the battle of the sani-cakes........ On Sat, 10 May 1997 TchdnJesus@aol.com wrote: > sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu (Mississippi Malcolm McDowell) writes: > > > Ok, kids. Now what I want is an answer to -this- question. How come no one > > answered my question about the interview where Robyn said he really wanted > > to be Bob Dylan, and TEN PEOPLE felt compelled to tell me about > > Sani-cakes? > > it's a guy thing? we knew the answer? Sani-cakes are more interesting than Dylan > in any case, i don't remember from whence it came, but i remember the dylan > thing being mentioned a few months back. For future reference: "from whence" is redundant. JL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:43:48 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: This may be vile. . . . but it *is* RH related! On Fri, 9 May 1997, The Great Quail wrote: > > Well, I mosy certainly did not mean soap. In a urinal, there's these > little sanitary mint thingies, like big mothballs, that actually go by > the trade name of "Sanitary Cake." (Having spent a summer as a janitor, I > know these things. Like for instance: the cardboard tube in the middle of > a roll of toilet paper is called the "core," and the spindle that it > slides over is the "mandrill,"but I don't know why.) A sani-cake. That's > what I meant. They are round discs, really, and sit right on these otehr > things in many urinals . . . rubber mats perforated with holes, the (and so on...) Quail, you have said too much. My guild of assassins should be at your residence in a fortnight. No breakers of the code, James ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:23:50 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Thomas Dolby's new gig (no RH! at all!) Got this little note on another list-- thought you guys might find this interesting. lj -------------------------------------------------------- There's a fun new technology for music on the internet called "Beatnik" It was developed by Thomas Dolby ("...Science!!!!")and has been adapted as the main music engine for the Java Operating System, and will be bundled with Netscape and Explorer in the future. It provides a cool new set of Dolby-ised General Midi musical instruments, and also supports small samples that can playreal time in sync with the midi file. What this means is that one can download a small file to the browser that plays a great deal of music, and then download a recorded sample file to that currently playing musical piece and that sample will "join the band" as soon as it's finished downloading. This technology also supports a great deal of Java scripting that allows it to do remixing on the fly, transpositions and tempo changes, roll-overs etc. You can visit a site that has this new technology on the internet at: http://www.7up.com --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:14:52 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Generic Post At 10:53 AM 5/7/97 -0400, RIELWJ@sbu.edu wrote: >one can surely make a good living that way. Perhaps those so-called >"lost" tapes he did w/ Ian McCulloch will surface. Some of the songs >appeared on the surprisingly excellent Electrafixion lp last year. It was my greatest disappointment of '95 -- to me, all of the songs sounded nearly just alike, and substituted blare for craft. The idea of a more guitar-rock McCulloch/Seargent project wasn't a bad one, and Will's playing was better than ever, but dammit, they didn't write any songs! Or they just wrote one song ten times. Whatever. My opinion was only (unfortunately) reinforced when I saw them live that November. I am seeing the rechristened Echo and the Bunnymen at a festival during my Chicago visit, and I sincerely hope that the partnership regains some of its skill and touch by adopting the old moniker. Does the name change mean that mean that Les Pattinson's on board again? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:54:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: dylan, robyn, and the battle of the sani-cakes........ On Sat, 10 May 1997, John Tyson Littlejohn wrote: > Sani-cakes are more interesting than Dylan I do hope you realize that people have been shot for less, Monsieur Littlejohn. > > in any case, i don't remember from whence it came, but i remember the dylan > > thing being mentioned a few months back. > For future reference: "from whence" is redundant. > JL If you're looking to get silly, you better go back to from where you came, as his Bobness so poetically puts it in "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" :). Love on ya, Susan resident junkyard angel ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:20:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Cor, it's a negative reality inversion! Just thought other "Young Ones" fans might get a kick out of this. While housesitting this weekend at the home of a friend with an extensive collection of "Young Ones" episodes, I came across one episode where they end up highjacking a bus (and running it into a giant billboard of Cliff Richard :)). And wouldn't you know, it's a #73 :). Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:58:24 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Cor, it's a negative reality inversion! fegmaniax@ecto.org At 10:20 PM 5/11/97 -0500, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > > >Just thought other "Young Ones" fans might get a kick out of this. > >While housesitting this weekend at the home of a friend with an extensive >collection of "Young Ones" episodes, I came across one episode where they >end up highjacking a bus (and running it into a giant billboard of Cliff >Richard :)). And wouldn't you know, it's a #73 :). You have just seen the greatest series conclusion in the history of television! Congratulations! later, Miles, who thinks the Ben Elton (YOUNG ONES) / Richard Curtis (FOUR WEDDINGS..., THE TALL GUY) partnership was the Lennon / McCartney of comedy writing -- great together (THE BLACK ADDER), but solo, Curtis is the McCartney of the pair ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Music (really specific title) Q: What's the difference between mod and rock? What is bubblegum (as far as music goes)? Yeah..I know...The Kinks, and the Archies, respectively... But could someone give me a midlyl better explanation? I've heard The Monkees classified as "bubblegum", but I don't get that... Amazed that "The Porpoise Song" only got to #45... Terrence Marks Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:17:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Music (really specific title) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Q: > What's the difference between mod and rock? > What is bubblegum (as far as music goes)? > > Yeah..I know...The Kinks, and the Archies, respectively... THE KINKS? The kinks a bubblegum band? If "Some Mother's Son" is a bubblegum pop song, well, then, I guess I don't know what bubblegum pop is :). Generally, I understood the term to refer to bland pop songs. Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:33:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) The Girl Who's Always Throwing Love On Ya wrote: >Generally, I understood the term to refer to bland pop songs. That's way too vague. To me, it refers to breezy pop songs with dopey upbeat lyrics, sing-songy melodies and very simple chords. And of course, lotsa hooks. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:47:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Eb wrote: > That's way too vague. To me, it refers to breezy pop songs with dopey > upbeat lyrics, sing-songy melodies and very simple chords. And of course, > lotsa hooks. In short, bland. With hooks :). Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:15:12 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Music (really specific title) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > > Q: > > What's the difference between mod and rock? > > What is bubblegum (as far as music goes)? > > > > Yeah..I know...The Kinks, and the Archies, respectively... > > THE KINKS? > > The kinks a bubblegum band? > > If "Some Mother's Son" is a bubblegum pop song, well, then, I guess I > don't know what bubblegum pop is :). I have to agree with 3M on this one. Then again "Drivin'" - off the same album as "Some Mother's Son" - is pretty bubblegum; for every "Celluloid Heroes" there's a "Monica". JL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:37:23 -0700 From: librik@netcom.com (David Librik) Subject: Re: Music (really specific title) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > > Q: > > What's the difference between mod and rock? > > What is bubblegum (as far as music goes)? > > > > Yeah..I know...The Kinks, and the Archies, respectively... > > THE KINKS? > > The kinks a bubblegum band? I don't think you're getting what he means by "respectively." But I don't think I'd call the Kinks a Mod band. Mod was a particular fashion style and/or youth identification subculture (like "skater" or "punk" except without any substantive content). Mods started out in the early 60s listening to modern jazz and dressing really well. They moved on to R&B and then to Mod bands like The Who that arose out of the culture. Nowadays Mod seems to refer to the most obvious elements of that image (often accidental or inessential ones), like British Army overcoats and Vespa Scooters and bullseyes, taken from the Who movie "Quadrophenia." The Kinks were pretty well-dressed in their early days but I don't think they were part of the scene the way the Who and the Small Faces were. Bubblegum is a sweet sticky substance consumed exclusively by pre-teens. Like the Monkees' music was (at least at the time it came out). - David Librik librik@cs.Berkeley.edu who recommended _Village Green_ to a Sebadoh fangirl tonight as "the original lo-fi masterpiece." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:44:27 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Eb wrote: > The Girl Who's Always Throwing Love On Ya wrote: > > >Generally, I understood the term to refer to bland pop songs. > > That's way too vague. To me, it refers to breezy pop songs with dopey > upbeat lyrics, sing-songy melodies and very simple chords. And of course, > lotsa hooks. If it's produced by Kastenetz and Katz it's bubblegum. If not it isn't. Discography Quck Joey Small (Run Joey Run) 1 2 3 Red Light Yummy Yummy Yummy I got Love in my tummy Simon Says Sticky Sticky . . . - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:33:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) >If it's produced by Kastenetz and Katz it's bubblegum. If not it isn't. > >Discography > >Quick Joey Small (Run Joey Run) >1 2 3 Red Light >Yummy Yummy Yummy I got Love in my tummy >Simon Says >Sticky Sticky . . . Well, I think you're being semi-facetious about this, but this definition seems rather narrow...K & K may have invented the bubblegum concept, but does that rule out more recent music which is descended from that sound? I mean, for instance, what could be more bubblegum than Shonen Knife? :) Eb, who actually owns both Lemon Pipers albums ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:10:10 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Eb wrote: > Eb, who actually owns both Lemon Pipers albums Oh all right, you can have Leka and Pinz too. And Steam, the people who did Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye (which I think is also Paul Leka). I've been away for a while. How did we get on to this stuff? - Mike Godwin PS Those Chinnichap Sweet records like Funny Funny and Co-Co are direct imitations of the same noise, but somehow you can tell that they are English. They just don't have the whiny punk voices. "I went through a bad time right after I lost my leg" (Moulty) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:17:22 +0100 (BST) From: dench Subject: Queen Elvis CD Hi everyone I am relatively new to this list, but I've been a big RH fan for quite some time (I discovered him via Syd B.). The one RH CD that I don't have that I really desperately want is 'Queen Elvis'. It seems completely untraceable in the UK. If anyone has a spare or can track one I will be more than happy to either pay for it (generously) or to buy you anything you might want in exchange. If anyone can help at all I really would be very grateful. Speak to you all again soon, Martin Dench Brighton UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:29:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) On Mon, 12 May 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > Oh all right, you can have Leka and Pinz too. And Steam, the people who > did Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye (which I think is also Paul Leka). Don't forget Mickie Most :). > I've been away for a while. How did we get on to this stuff? Terry started it! Blame him! :) Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:44:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: Music (really specific title) On Mon, 12 May 1997, David Librik wrote: > > On Mon, 12 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > > > > Q: > > > What's the difference between mod and rock? > > > What is bubblegum (as far as music goes)? > > > > > > Yeah..I know...The Kinks, and the Archies, respectively... > > > > THE KINKS? > > > > The kinks a bubblegum band? > > I don't think you're getting what he means by "respectively." No, I picked up on the Mod/Rock part of the question too. I think I maybe just got my dander up at seeing the Kinks mentioned in the same breath as the Archies and responded without properly reflecting on the question :). > But I don't think I'd call the Kinks a Mod band. No, I think Ray was if anything a mocker :). > "punk" except without any substantive content). Mods started out in > the early 60s listening to modern jazz and dressing really well. They > moved on to R&B and then to Mod bands like The Who that arose out of > the culture. I'm not sure there ever really was such a thing as a mod band. Perhaps the Small Faces and the Who when they were still The High Numbers. I recall a remark of David Bowie's in this context, something to the effect that the Who wore stuff that most of the Mods considered several months out of date, but "we still considered them 'our band'". Really, sometimes I think the only true Mod band was the Jam :). > Bubblegum is a sweet sticky substance consumed exclusively by pre-teens. > Like the Monkees' music was (at least at the time it came out). Well, to my mind bubblegum pop has something about it that is inherently lightweight and disposable. This is actually a tough question. I'm tempted to answer it the way the famous judge answered the question "What is obscenity?". I just know it when I hear it. > - David Librik > librik@cs.Berkeley.edu > who recommended _Village Green_ to a Sebadoh fangirl tonight > as "the original lo-fi masterpiece." Eh, no, that would be "Something Else" :). Love on ya, Susan ******************************************************************************* "The worship of the beautiful always ends in an orgy"- Benjamin Disraeli, "Lothair", lxxvii ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: babysnakes@webtv.net (Moribund The Burgermeister) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:12:02 -0500 Subject: Groovy Decoy Hello fellow fegs, I was in the local cd scratch and dent store last week and found Groovy Decoy. Since I do not own this, or had never heard it, I immediately picked it up. I also found out that is is an import. It's on the Midnight Music Chime label. It also has two stickers on it. One says "Made in France" the other "Made in England". Guess I'm wondering if there is anything special about this other than it being an import. Was it ever originally released in the U.S.? Oh by the way, the music on it is great! Love the horns. Only 11 more days until I see Robyn in Milwaukee. Starting to get excited about it. That's all for now, take care, talk to you soon. --Moribund The Burgermeister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:57:54 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Bubblegum (no Sonic Youth content) On Mon, 12 May 1997, Mississippi Malcolm McDowell wrote: > Don't forget Mickie Most :). No I'm sorry, Mickie Most is the really serious record producer who came up with 'For Miss Caulker' and loads of other great Animals tracks, and 'Hampstead Incident' plus stacks of other Donovan Leitch classics. Right up there with that guy who did the Kinks and the Sorrows, Shel Talmy. - Mike Godwin PS The Most Brothers? Who they? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:14:06 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin #1 Post-Modern List Subject: Re: robyn involved in syd film project On Thu, 8 May 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > To my knowledge, the buried stuff is: > "Vegetable Man", "Scream Thy Last Scream"-Never gonna be released. Roger, > Nick and rick vetoed putting these on Opel. I still don't see why the other Floydies should have any say over the release of 'Scream' and 'Vegetable Man' after all this time. If Robyn can release 'Vegetable Man', why not Syd? A couple of things I would really like, but probably don't exist, are a tape of 'Snowing' (they played it at Games for May, just the 30 years ago, one of the best shows I ever saw) and a tape of 'Candy and a Currant Bun' when it was still 'Let's Roll another One'. Incidentally, there are BBC Top Gear recordings of 'Scream' and 'Vegetable Man' as well as the studio versions. They are much straighter band performances with few special effects. - Mike Godwin PS I was reading 'The Return of Ulysses' the other day, and I noticed that the weasels were all going "ooray-ooray" at one point. So it's not just the title that Syd got from that book! ------------------------------ From: "Tickle Me Tamagotchi" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:57 -0800 Subject: Robyn in the Bay Area California fegs and other interested parties, According to Sunday's San Francisco Examiner, Robyn will be at the Great American Music Hall Wednesday June 4 at 8pm. Tim Keegan is listed as opening act. Tickets are $13. It appears to be a general admission show with limited seating. Doors open One Hour before showtime. Here is the pertinent information: Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell Street San Francisco, CA 94109 415.885.0750 The Box Office is open Su&M 10a - 4p; T-Sa 12 - 6. NO SERVICE CHARGE IF PURCHASED AT BOX OFFICE!!! Order by FAX ($1 Service Charge per ticket; Visa/MC Only) 415.885.5075 BASS: 510.762.BASS On the Web GAMH http://www.musichallsf.com BASS http://www.ticketweb.com Public parking is available at Ellis and Van Ness Hope to see you there, --g "Religion was invented for the benefit of those who couldn't couldn't afford a therapist." --Glen Uber, 1997 ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Wet Toast Tweezers Subject: Ro:byn in the My Area this bring no small amount of pleasure. i have arranged for release from my parole officer, and things seem fine to cross the state line. thus, the questions are... 1) how many people are flying from out of town (susan) or country (cynthia)?? 2) where are pre-event events. my recollection is that the GAMH is not prime real-estate. or can you hang out in the loo, and chew on the sani-cake and ask the man if he can soil one if he comes in?? .chris ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ro:byn in the My Area Date: Mon, 12 May 97 12:08:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark "#1 Post-Modern List" On 5/12/97 11:34 AM, Wet Toast Tweezers muttered: >2) where are pre-event events. my recollection is that the GAMH is not >prime real-estate. or can you hang out in the loo, and chew on the >sani-cake and ask the man if he can soil one if he comes in?? The GAMH is right around the corner (or so) from the Hard Rock Cafe. Wouldn't that be just bitchin'? Then again, if you go around the corner the other way you hit the New Century Theater. If you get lost, just ask directions from one of the transvestite hookers... -tc "who could have fun around any corner, really" ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Knowledge Is Good" - Emile Faber ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Generic Post goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Outdoor Miner) writes: > At 10:53 AM 5/7/97 -0400, RIELWJ@sbu.edu wrote: > >one can surely make a good living that way. Perhaps those so-called > >"lost" tapes he did w/ Ian McCulloch will surface. Some of the songs > >appeared on the surprisingly excellent Electrafixion lp last year. > It was my greatest disappointment of '95 -- to me, all of the songs sounded > nearly just alike, and substituted blare for craft. The idea of a more > guitar-rock McCulloch/Seargent project wasn't a bad one, and Will's playing > was better than ever, but dammit, they didn't write any songs! Or they just > wrote one song ten times. Whatever. My opinion was only (unfortunately) > reinforced when I saw them live that November. i would go as far as to call it excellent, but i thought it was a pretty good record, without too many signs of rust. some of the songs were kinda dodgy, but the b-sides were all pretty good....strange that the most bunnymen-like were the songs written with marr though... > I am seeing the rechristened Echo and the Bunnymen at a festival during my > Chicago visit, and I sincerely hope that the partnership regains some of its > skill and touch by adopting the old moniker. Does the name change mean that > mean that Les Pattinson's on board again? exactly what it means. supposedly they stole the drummer from plant and page to replace pete, since he's too busy with his current band (the one with ian curtis, kurdt, wolfgang, and someone else whose name i forget...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .