From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #81 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 81 Wednesday April 23 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- No Storefront at Cannes Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Re: songs I wish I'd written Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Re: Music in commercials Bowie 1 - Hitchcock 0 Sticky bits... Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Re: Bowie 1 - Hitchcock 0 More Musing Re: More Musing Re: size doesn't matter Re: The apparatus in susan's car Re: Unimart Coffee Slim Gaillard Re: Son of Space Jazz Fave album colors album covers Re: fwd: Squeeze and BK album covers Re: fwd: Squeeze and BK Re: album covers Re: album covers Great lines (no RH content) More Musing Royal Queen Albert + Beautiful Homer In the Halls of the Elfbowie, with musical score (Little RH) Re: the apparatus in susan's car Beautiful queen New Songs More misc, some RH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:55:22 -0500 From: Lobsterman Subject: No Storefront at Cannes The list of movies that will be shown at the Cannes Film Festival was announced today. Storefront Hitchcock was not one of them. In some recent interview or other, Robyn mentioned trying to finish the film in time to submit it for possible inclusion in the Cannes festival. -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:52:46 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer >Our beloved James wrote: > ><< one of Robyn's most thought provoking and least talked about songs (hey, >doesn't ANYONE like "Never stop bleeding" apart from me?>> > >ME, ME, ME!!!! Funny this should come up, actually, as I was going to post >something to the list that "Never Stop Bleeding" figured in. > >[...] >From this conversation, I sat down to make her a tape of Robyn that would >span his career, but would omit ANY material that she already has- thus >giving her more bang for the buck, so to speak. This was a fun, but trying >task as even with the omission of some of my favorites, I STILL had a hard >time trying to cram it all on a 100 min. tape. SO- do you all want to see >what I picked? sounds interesting. I did the same sort of thing a while back. I was trying to get my girlfriend interested in Robyn's music, but at that stage only had about eight of his albums (including two Soft Boys ones). Also, she already had (of all things) Respect. I managed to give her a C90 crammed with Robyn goodies, but it was a tough job working out what to put on there! (from EoL I put Airscape, Bass, NSB and Raymond Chandler Evening - the bonus version from the Rhino rerelease with the smoky sax) ><< Which only goes to show that we all have different tastes, I > suppose, which is what is known as A GOOD THING. I like good things like > this. They are nice.>> > >A show of hands of those who think James is a "good thing!" :) gee thanks! Good to know I've got some fans out there! :) > < remember. But it translates into English as "the sadness at the thought of > alternative futures that might have been".>> > >FIND THIS WORD FOR ME, SIR! I've been hunting for it for about a year now. I know it exists... James (today's strange furry animal: the Coypu) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:06:27 -0400 From: NOT the Lord of the Dance Subject: Re: songs I wish I'd written I have only one to add: The Flat Earth (the song) -Thomas Dolby lj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:58:53 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Truman Peyote wrote: > > I agree with Susan muchly. > > > > I also find it hard to believe that a fan of Robyn wouldn't enjoy a little > > humor in his / her music. I'm not saying it is WRONG not to like it, I'm > > just saying that Robyn in particular uses humor a lot. Seems to me someone > > who doesn't like that would be disgusted by Robyn. > > Well, since Andy mentioned "Sleeping Knights of Jesus" as one of his > favorite Robyn tunes, I don't think he meant the statement to be taken as > an absolute. I don't get it: Starvation, poisoning, Russians, fallout, death... Actually, the fact that Robyn appeals to ol humorless me shows just how brilliant he can be. Of course, I'm a sucker for anything witty or ironic--even if it makes me laugh. Andy :( o o o o o o ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \| | /\ >\ /< >\ /< >\ /< >\ o> o o o o o o o \ x <\> <)> |\ /< >\ /< >\ /< >\ >> L Mr. email does the Macarena. ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Music in commercials << I gotta disagree. There's no reason why a commercial shouldn't use *good* music for a change. Squeeze didn't get their share of attention the first time around, and now an advertising blitz helps them get it back....what's the problem wiht that? >> You know, I knew this was going to come up. I'm not going to really battle this one out, but let me state clearly that I DO NOT BEGRUDGE THE ARTISTS FOR CASHING IN. Hey, if Difford and Tilbrook can help keep themselves afloat by simply saying, "OK" to a song being used, so be it- 'tis theirs to do so. Would anyone call our man a sell out if "Balloon Man" was used to help Goodyear sell tires? I'd like to think we'd all be happy he put a little extra dosh in his pocket and assume that said money would allow him the good fortune and freedom to cook up something artictically creative (i.e. commercially bankrupt) for us all. Maybe he'd just be able to take us all to Burger King for lunch. SHOW ME THE MONEY! Jay ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bowie 1 - Hitchcock 0 Susan and The Quail (I'm scripting the sit-com as we speak) wrote about The Thin White Duke, to which I add this: I'd argue that "Ashes To Ashes" is pretty emotional, personal, and revealing. Jay << I mean, most people agree that David Bowie >is one of rock's major artists, and he's not exactly an emotionally >revealing sort. Only a handful of his songs could really be called >emotionally revealing or even straightforward in any sense ("Heroes" is >one, and I would argue for "Rock and Roll Suicide" as well). I would also add "Quicksand," which I think is maybe his most emotionally revealing song. And as far as "Heroes," I read an interview with Bowie where he said that he wrote it in response to seeing two lovers separated by the Berlin Wall. So in a sense it is very emotional - and it is one of my favorite Bowie songs - but I'm not sure that it is *personally* revealing. I do, however, agree that "Rock and Roll Suicide" is edgy in that sense. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:23:54 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Sticky bits... Warning Will Robinson! Robot ineffectually flailing arms! Faves: Afternoon Delight- SVB rooles Oh. Sorry. I mis-typed. More on that in some future memo. I have said three things on this feg collective that have nearly caused physical harm on me: 1. I was tortured and left for dead by saying that I liked some of what the band Toto did. Last week I extracted a fork from my sinuses that one of our colisters had sent me with some velocity. I fear that this encounter cost me much of my three remaining brain cells. 2. I was gutted, burned, killed, and tortured thereafter for guessing Terry Marks' astrological sign. I was then burned (again) at the stake. Then they started demanding that I guessed their signs. I was incapable of momement so they walked away as if nothing had happened. 3. I mentioned once that I wasn't particularly wild about the backwardsesque-guitar-psyllisyboid-bee-buzzing intro to Airscape. Using only rusty machine parts and sewer maintenance equipment, several of our kind feggy friends extracted my liver and much of my pancreas through a small, maybe nine or ten inch, incision that they made in my face. This was more difficult for me than the other two incidents, because it has since reduced my second income as a gigolo to a very small clientele of wild circus performers and biker chyx (which aint all bad) and ranking majority leaders in the US congress (which is something I just won't do- not even "for my country"). Okay, so watch out when slagging. Susan, Airscape is melodically beautiful. It has nice imagery. It is one of my favorite songs on that album. Still I think RH keeps maturing as a songwriter and his creations have more gravity and depth and reality and the binding of the light and the dark than he used to. And no, I'm not slagging the old stuff of his. I love that stuff too. Please don't hurt me. Would you believe I have Turrets? AAAAUGH! I guess you wouldn't. Painfully yours, -Mark Gloster ps. Every day I see posters and billboards for Volcano, the movie. The signs say "The Coast is Toast!" I think of Tracy Aileen Copeland every single time. She doesn't work in movie publicity does she? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:32:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) > > Well, since Andy mentioned "Sleeping Knights of Jesus" as one of his > > favorite Robyn tunes, I don't think he meant the statement to be taken as > > an absolute. > I don't get it: Starvation, poisoning, Russians, fallout, death... It doesn't mean you have no sense of humor. It just means you have a sick one (says the woman who thinks 'Agony of Pleasure" is really funny :)). > Actually, the fact that Robyn appeals to ol humorless me shows just how > brilliant he can be. Of course, I'm a sucker for anything witty or > ironic--even if it makes me laugh. :) Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:41:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Bowie 1 - Hitchcock 0 On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 Hedblade@aol.com wrote: > Susan and The Quail (I'm scripting the sit-com as we speak) wrote about The > Thin White Duke, to which I add this: > > I'd argue that "Ashes To Ashes" is pretty emotional, personal, and revealing. > > Jay In the same way that I think "Rock and Roll Suicide" is. And you might even say that something like "Rock and Roll Star" (yes, I know that's not the title, I just thought it more appropriate :)) is as well, in the sense that he mocks his own ambitions and deeply-held desires pretty harshly. They're all pretty similar in their self-excoriation. This is pretty much the -only- kind of revealing that Dave does though, and even that occurs rarely. Although you could argue that the fact that for the most part he studiously and very obviously avoids showing much about his inner life is in and of itself rather revealing of certain aspects of the man's personality. It certainly indicates a near-obsessive emotional self-protectiveness (verging on paranoia, even) to me, among other things. But then I see this in Gary Numan too, and most people tend to write -him- off as cheesy 80s synth pop. Love on ya, Susan wait, I thought this was the Bowie list. oops. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:05:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "NORMAN PARKER +44 (0)1473-222478" Subject: More Musing A bit late on the thread, but it failed to go through when I sent it early yesterday, so ... In the UK, there was a limited edition 2CD set with RED HEAVEN and a live Kristin Hersh solo album, which I much prefer to the studio set. This was prior to any stories of the band splitting, but I guess it was the beginning of the end. I don't know if this was released in the US, but if anyone wants a copy, I'm happy to oblige. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:38:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: More Musing >A bit late on the thread, but it failed to go through when I sent it early >yesterday, so ... > >In the UK, there was a limited edition 2CD set with RED HEAVEN and a live >Kristin Hersh solo album, which I much prefer to the studio set. >This was prior to any stories of the band splitting, but I guess it was the >beginning of the end. > >I don't know if this was released in the US, but if anyone wants a copy, I'm >happy to oblige. Could you list the songs on the bonus disk? Eb ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: size doesn't matter David Librik writes: << Normally I agree with every syllable that drips from this man's lips, but I have to disagree strongly here.>> Gosh- thanks for the compliment! <> Ahhhh, see I have the Ryko version and it is CLEARLY marked BONUS TRACKS. That makes a considerable difference and your point is well taken. Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 8:47:04 EDT Subject: Re: The apparatus in susan's car Eddie Tews said: > > i know i'm very new to the list, and have absolutely no right to say the > following, but i'm kind of a jerk, so i'll say it anyway. it really > bugs me when people use acronyms to abbreviate album titles (IODoT, EoL, > GoF, PI etc.) If you must abbreviate, i for one would really appreciate > it if you'd just use one of the words from the title. for example: > Trains, Pespex, Moonlight, Element, Frogs, Decay, etc. > somebodies were talking about listening to certain albums during certain > seasons. I suggest we henceforth refer to people with this affliction as APPLEs - Acronym Perturbed People Like Eddie. Sorry Eddie, but I couldn't resist. --- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:53:19 -0400 From: Dolph Chaney CC: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Re: Unimart Coffee The True And Righteous yadda yadda yadda asked the following: > I have "This Is Our Music" by Galaxie 500 and "The Good earth" by > the Feelies. "Fourth of July" by G5 is as sublime as it gets, folks. > Did I read that Ryko is reissuing three 500 lps? There's a box set of TODAY, ON FIRE, THIS IS OUR MUSIC, and a fourth disc o' b-sides and rarities (including their Rutles cover) that got put out last year. I own it, and it's lovely. Each CD also includes a bonus CD-ROM video track. Now, I might be confusing it with the Pere Ubu box, but I think they're planning to issue the individual albums later. As for Squirrel Nut Zippers, they're really big down here in Atlanta. I personally don't understand all of the appeal, but if you like what they do on "Hell", HOT is pretty consistent with that -- it just depends on your tolerance for pastiche. There's a female singer as well as the guy who sings "Hell." Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:08:17 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Subject: Slim Gaillard Jay writes: > I'll add to the list >one of my all time favorites- LOUIS JORDAN. You all owe it to yourself to >check him out if you haven't. I've got a handful of box-sets, but if it came >down to it the only one I would save would be my 9 CD Louis Jordan set from >Germany. There literally isn't a bad song in the whole collection. > Priceless and more than worth the $150.00 bucks! If you like Louis Jordon I would highly recommend Slim Gaillard. He was a Charlie Christian influenced guitarist who played with the likes of Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie, but what really made him great was his wacked-out lyrics and singing style. Like Robyn, Slim was one cat who loved to sing about food! He also basically invented his own language (one that usually involved adding an "-aroonie" to the end of a word). His best known song is probably "Flat Foot Floogie", but my personal favorite is "Potato Chips" . . . "how my mouth does drip". If you can stomache some humor with your music Slim is your man! Crunch, crunch, Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:41:32 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Son of Space Jazz Susan sed: >Not to mention his musical output. Anyone here familiar with a recording >called "Space Jazz"? Well, try not to acquire familiarity with it if you >can help it. =8-7 Shame on you. Don't you know that anybody who's seen, heard, or owned that record is required BY LAW to never, ever, EVER talk about it? Now you've done it. Next you'll be telling them about that Village People disco album. Wait a minute, didn't I just do the same thing? D'oh! Guess it's time for me to listen to my Morten Downey, Jr. albums ten times as penance. __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:18:35 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Subject: Fave album colors Lets discuss something really important--favorite album covers: favorite robyn album cover: Element of Light (the original lp cover) I don't know why, I think it has something to do with the use of empty space. I guess when it was reissued on CD they figured they had to go with a more horizontal composition (the picture from the lp would have been too small on CD). I also like Respect and Eye a lot. The cover to the Rhino Eye reissue looks pretty cheap compared to the Twin Tone original. some of my favorite album covers in general (no particular order): New Order--Power, Corruption and Lies + "Blue Monday" 12" I loved the way they made them look like floppy discs. Donald Byrd--A New Perspective Later appropriated by Ton Loc. All 60s Blue Notes are beautiful. There's a nice coffee table book of Blue Note covers. Devo--Duty Now For the Future Percy Faith--Adventure in the Sun Later stolen by Bullet LaVolta. Funkadelic--Standing on the Verge of Gettin It On Beat Happening--Jamboree Unrest--Perfect Teeth Kiss--Music From the Elder Especially the inner gate-fold, with story. (Unintentionally?) hilarious. Thelonious Monk--The Unique TM The one that looks like a stamp. Ramones The first album. Frank Sinatra--Come Fly With Me The Velvet Underground and Nico The Beach Boys--Smile The album was never completed, but that didn't stop Capitol from printing up sleeves for it. The basic design was used on the Brian tribute album. Elvis Presley--Elvis Presley Design was used by the Clash for London Calling. Wire--Chairs Missing Merle Haggard--The Lonesome Fugitive The Rolling Stones--Their Satanic Majesty's Request I especially like the impossible to complete maze on the inner gatefold "It's Here!" Flying Burrito Bros.--The Guilded Palace of Sin Love--Da Capo Most late 60s Elektra albums look good. I remember back in the mid-80s someone wrote a song called "Song for William S. Harvey" (Elektra's art director during the 60s). Does anyone remember who did that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 09:07:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: album covers My faves Hitchcock: A Can of Bees I often Dream of Trains Anyone: Weasels Ripped My Flesh -russ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: fwd: Squeeze and BK From: guambat@juno.com (What's a guambat?) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:47:02 EDT On Wed, 23 Apr 97 08:52:00 -0800 Russ Reynolds Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >Neil, why don't you cover a Hitchcock tune on one of those albums! "I >often >Dream of Trains" would be right up your alley, wouldn't it? > >this note's for you. -rr > Hi Russ: Actually, I think "Filthy Bird" is Robyn's most Neil-like tune... I'll think about it. Wonder what it'd sound like if I kicked in the distortion pedal... Peace, the fake Neil Young ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: album covers robby: Respect Any: The Smiths World Won't Listen "What's in mind," I asked. but she kept painting a picture of two people who looked happy together. ...........I didn't understand. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 11:21:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: fwd: Squeeze and BK ======== Original Message ======== On Wed, 23 Apr 97 08:52:00 -0800 Russ Reynolds Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== >Neil, why don't you cover a Hitchcock tune on one of those albums! "I >often >Dream of Trains" would be right up your alley, wouldn't it? > >this note's for you. -rr > Hi Russ: Actually, I think "Filthy Bird" is Robyn's most Neil-like tune... I'll think about it. Wonder what it'd sound like if I kicked in the distortion pedal... Peace, the fake Neil Young ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== perhaps--but one of Neil's passions is toy trains. Apparently he's quite the buff. Actually, I can hear Neil doing just about any of Robyn's tunes. But I think I'd rather hear Neil do his own tunes. Peas, the real russ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: album covers From: guambat@juno.com (What's a guambat?) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:52:10 EDT Going beyond the mere cover, how about the CD package itself? -- i.e. cover, spine, back, booklet, pictures, cd picture itself... Here's some nominees: Uncle Bobby: ========== Respect, Moss Elixir, just about any Rhino reissue Others: ====== U2 Zooropa & Pop, Peter Gabriel Us, Sting Soul Cages Wow... we really need a new release or something... how far we've fallen to be talking about cover art... :) Guammy ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: album covers I'd just like to say that the packaging on Jeremy Enigk's "Return of the Frog Queen" is exquisitely baroque...It's a very neat album to look at... Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:46:27 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Troy" Subject: Great lines (no RH content) While we're on the subject of great lines (as I get the digest version, I can only hope we still are): "His clothes are spinning around in your washing machine/ I'd like to come around and see if they're clean" This from the Moles' (Richard Davies' band from the early 90s) "Curdle," from the shockingly good album _Untune the Sky_. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 15:34:41 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: More Musing >In the UK, there was a limited edition 2CD set with RED HEAVEN and a live >Kristin Hersh solo album, which I much prefer to the studio set. >This was prior to any stories of the band splitting, but I guess it was the >beginning of the end. which stories? _red heaven_ came out after the breakup. i've gotten a tape of some of this stuff from someone special on this list. it is very cool. i especially like 'jak'; but i still like the actual album. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:47:55 -0500 From: Hal Brandt Subject: Royal Queen Albert + Beautiful Homer Ahhh...Thanks to a Warner Brothers connection, I have in my hands PRO-CD-8725! The full concert tape has already been treed, but for those completists that need a copy (analog only) of the Dylan tracks direct from CD, email me privately and we'll work out a trade. Send lists... hal ------------------------------ Subject: In the Halls of the Elfbowie, with musical score (Little RH) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 16:46:27 -0000 From: The Great Quail Yet again I will make one huge post instead of a dozen wee ones. In this way, you can delete the whole taco instead of feeling pecked to death by an annoying quail. **The "Riel" Lord of the Dance calls out: > Although the underlying mystery in "Strange Days" is rather >conmventional, I think it's a great vision and work of craftsmanship. >There is enough originality to get by, and I really liked Ralph >Fiennes in this movie. I find him more charasmatic than many people >seem to anymore. I liked this movie, too - Gale Ann Hurd rarely disappoints, nor does the director (Whose name slips my mind, but she made the underrated "Near Dark," a GREAT vampire movie with a score by Tangerine Dream). My only problem with the film is the ending - [**Danger** if you haven't seen the movie, disengage and go to the next paragraph!] it began getting a wee bit trite, and the "wrap-up" was too close to Deus Ex Machina for me. I think they blew the edginess of the rest of the film. I thought it would have been much better if he would have lost everyone - if his inactions and fuckups resulted in alienation and loss. That would have been more powerful. **Eb, who will one day be found on the streetcorner, passing out cigarettes and ice cream, procaliming the religion of the Crimson King, wrote: >I haven't seen OR heard Nightmare Before Xmas, but boy, did I love the >Edward Scissorhands score. And other folks must love it too, since I've >hea rd it turn up in about 4 other movie trailers in recent years (The >Secret Garden was one...). "Nightmare" is a real treat! The music is complex and very interesting, and Danny Elfman's singing voice (as Jack) is gleefully Pumpkin Kingish. I recommend it highly! >This brings me to MY big gripe about the misuse >of songs: Anyone else think it's really offensive how movie trailers either >use songs which aren't in the film OR (even worse) just steal the score >from a past hit movie in some Pavlovian attempt to convince you the current >product is a must-see flick? I have noticed that occasionally the director or producer himself chooses a score from one of his/her previous movies. But there is a definite tendency to "cash in" on the emotional content of a score - and it works. One of the most used is the "Final Explosion Theme" from Cameron's "Aliens." God, everytime I hear that I get pumped, even if it's to see a Wheaties commercial. Another very commonly used theme is Patrick Doyles music from Branagh's "Henry V." >How about "The Bewlay Brothers?" That seems to me as personal as song as >Bowie has ever wrote.... Good point. . . . I feel so sad everytime I hear that song. It really hits me. **Tracy "I wonder if mashed quails would make a good spread for toast" Copeland writes: > Film types tell me that this at least in part because the score >often isn't done - heck, sometimes the *film* isn't done - when the >trailers are made. This is true. Quite often, the score is one of the last things to be wrapped up. Oddly enough, one of my all-time favorite films scores (well . . . Alexander Nevsky not included!) is Goldenthal's "Interview with a Vampire." He hadn't even penned a note until very shortly before the release - I remember reading him saying that he got quite nervous indeed passing by movie posters with his name on them! But the score was brilliant. One of my pet peeves - oy vey, dis boins me - is the corrupt and wretched Academy always gives the Oscar for best score to some moronic, boring score by Hans Zimmer or something. Never Elfman, Roseman, Goldenthal, Glass, Maxwell Davies, Kilar . . . gah. I'm making myself sick. Death to Disney! The Mouse must be brought down low, and we shall wade in the ashes with triumphant glee! (Sorry. I'm putting my soapbox back into the closet.) While we (we? oh quail? more like just me, babbling on and on. . . ) are on the subject, another great composer who writes movie themes is the Pole Wojciech Kilar. He write the score to "Bram Stoker's Dracula" and "Portrait of a Lady." Both are very lush, brooding, and hauntingly romantic. **Jay Hellbalde writes: >Susan and The Quail (I'm scripting the sit-com as we speak) wrote about The >Thin White Duke, to which I add this: Oh, please send me the finished pilot! I can hardly wait. Can we get Robyn to write the theme music? And please - no coffee shops. Other than that, I'll go with your creative flow. . . . > I'd argue that "Ashes To Ashes" is pretty emotional, personal, and revealing. Flumph. Wow, I complertely dropped the Bowie ball here, eh? Yeah, that ramnks up there as a very "personally revealing" song. As does "Teenage Wildlife" from the same album - *Scary Monsters* - which is one of my top five albums since the Dawn of Time. If you made it this far, thanks. And you can blame Susan, who said to me "you should post more, Quail." Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:32:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mississippi Malcolm McDowell Subject: Re: the apparatus in susan's car First off, I don't have a car. That doesn't mean there's no apparatus in it, though. On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Eddie Tews wrote: > i know i'm very new to the list, and have absolutely no right to say the > following, but i'm kind of a jerk, so i'll say it anyway. What a JERKY thing to say! This guy is such an asshole! I can't believe anyone would ever say such a thing! Off with his head. I feel like playing croquet :). > it really > bugs me when people use acronyms to abbreviate album titles (IODoT, EoL, > GoF, PI etc.) If you must abbreviate, i for one would really appreciate > it if you'd just use one of the words from the title. for example: > Trains, Pespex, Moonlight, Element, Frogs, Decay, etc. I had to laugh, because this used to bug me too, although I never said anything about it. And then one day I noticed myself referring to "I Often Dream of Trains" as IODOT in conversation....... > batch. no matter WHEN i listen to these songs, it always FEELS like > autumn. and october is my favorite month, followed by november, > september, december, and august. so, i really like listening to those > songs. Hmmm...... I like fall and winter too. I get the strange feeling that a lot of people here may feel the same way :). I always think one of the reasons I feel so much more at home in Chicago than in my native Dallas, TX has to do with the extreme seasons. Anyway, I would agree that those songs have a certain delicate melancholy about them that is very, um, specifically, autumnal. > i agree with terry that egyptians versions of many of the solo songs > sound absolutely incredible, some maybe even better. Heresy! :) > doesn't mean i > don't like listening to EYE and TRAINS anymore, though. also, by the > same token, some band songs sound absolutely amazing solo live. think > of Chinese Bones, I Got The Hots For You, Birdshead (i know, i know), > Queen of Eyes, Airscape (which simply cannot be topped no matter how > it's played), 52 stations... Don't forget "Egyptian Cream". And I have to say that though I pretty much think there is -no- topping the SBs (Kimberley really ruled!), Robyn's Beefheart-esque guitar nightmare version of "The Face of Death" at the last Chicago show was absolutely incredible. > i'd like to agree, and also go so far as to say that, though i won't > quite put the song on top yet, it makes my very, very short list. so > short, i'll give you the whole thing: Airscape...and the others, in > alphabetical order...52 Stations (Kershaw), Autumn Is Your Last Chance, > Underwater Moonlight, You And Oblivion. When was the last favorite song poll? Anyone remember? I know we had a favorite other artist poll not too long ago, but I don't remember the last song one. Anyway, I don't think any of those would make my list (except possibly UM, but I'd go with "Insanely Jealous" over that, probably). > I don't know of a more > emotionally draining song than You And Oblivion. It is lovely, but I can think of several that have more impact on me. I won't go so far as to list them all here :), but I will say that "Never Stop Bleeding" and "Transparent Lovers" are among them. Also "Blues in the Dark" really hits me very hard, I'm not sure why. > I also think its > placement on the album is pretty important: after the bouncy fun song > De Chirico Street, it then starts out as a kind of pedestrian, > forgettable song, gradually building, kicking into high gear with the > line "back when the death train...," and leaving you completely in > shambles, followed by a long break before the last song of the album, > a slow, pensive song. yes, robyn is god. That's one of the things I like about it too, actually, the way it sort of sneaks up on you. Kind of like the ends of posts you thought were going to be endless :) :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: bootlegs@ix.netcom.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:36:51 -0700 Subject: Beautiful queen Hal Brandt wrote: > > Ahhh...Thanks to a Warner Brothers connection, I have in my hands > PRO-CD-8725! The full concert tape has already been treed, but for those > completists that need a copy (analog only) of the Dylan tracks direct > from CD, email me privately and we'll work out a trade. Send lists... > > hal I can do this to DAT. But after listening to it a few times, I think this promo CD is from an audience tape. You can hear a lot of conversation going on. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great. I don't have the treed DAT version, but is it possible they are from the same source. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: New Songs I've compiled a list of the new songs that Robyn has been performing lately. Here it is: Adoration of the city daisy bomb dark princess direct me to the cheese don't tell be about gene hackman feels like 1974 green storm lantern I dream of antwoman let's go thundering no, I don't remember guildford where do you go when you die That is all I could find, I'm sure that countless others exist. Since Robyn has been avoiding the west coast lately, I have not heard any of these songs...oh well. griffith (who is up for another 'Netsurfer Ghost' type tree) ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-Sonoma-om1.om.hp.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 11:31:44 -0700 Subject: More misc, some RH Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-Sonoma-om1.om.hp.com wrote: >> Hmmmm, I thought the end line in "Night Ride" was "I dream of >> Robespierre" (spelling notwithstanding). > Did this cause anyone else to die laughing? Sorry, didn't understand that. Isn't it what he says then? It sure sounds like it to me. >>Bela Lugosi's Dead (Bauhaus) > Personally, I wish that song had never been written at all! ;) Wha...? The "Press The Eject" version is excellent. And I know this will upset a LOT of people but their version of "Ziggy Stardust" kicked the pants off the original, especially the live televised "throw the guitar away at the end" version. (I'm easily impressed, I know.) > Anyone out there amazed by the Lollapalooza news? Yeah me, and I haven't even heard it!!!! In closing, and I don't want to sound too tetchy, but can we please remember that England is PART of the UK and that the two are not interchangable. (Brushes chip from shoulder.) () - Taking the moral high road. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .