From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #80 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 80 Tuesday April 22 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Odds and Sods. songs I wish I'd written Lennon and Christians Beautiful Queen Promo Burger Kinks Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus Re: Tippy-tippy-tip-tip (No RH) Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Music in commercials Re: Elfbowie Re: Music in commercials Re: Elfbowie Beautiful Queen Promo Squeeze and BK Whatever and ever, amen Unimart Coffee Live In Years Dobbsy wishes... Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Re: Music in commercials Re: Music in commercials Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Re: Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Re: Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus the apparatus in susan's car ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:11:15 -0700 From: "Mary, Mungo and Midge" Subject: Re: Odds and Sods. Status: O Hamish sed: > Toymaster in the UK used the Icicle Works "Evangeline". Where will > it end? Nooooo!!! I never heard that!!! I still find it funny when This Mortal Coil's version of "Song To The Siren" KEEPS getting used in commercials. It seems to have been happening almost every year for the past six or seven. I've put it down to people of a similar age as me reaching positions of authority at advertising agencies and try to slip in all their favourite tracks from their youth. I must admit that if I was in their position I would love to use "Another Girl, Another Planet" to advertise cheese or something equally ridiculous. There's an idea for a thread (if it hasn't been done already), which Robyn song would you use in a commercial for which product? Tony. P.S. I'll add my support for the Muses' "Red Heaven". I happen to think it's their best..... ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: songs I wish I'd written Status: O here's my list folks, take it or leave it: Everyday is Like Sunday - Morrissey Make A Circuit With Me - The Polecats Mary-Anne With The Shaky Hands - The Who Be Bop A Lula - Gene Vincent This Charming Man - The Smiths Glass Hotel - Robyn Airscape - Robyn I'm Waiting For My Man- Velvet Underground Kinky Boots- Patrick mcNee(?) Marquee Moon - Television So Sad About Us - The Who so whaddaya think??? dobbsy "One should have but a few good friends, but one can never have too many good-looking friends" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:21:51 -0400 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Lennon and Christians Status: O Just wanted to put in that I'm a Christian and I think John is the man. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Beautiful Queen Promo Status: O I just received an email from ICE magazine. Apparently they have a small blurb about the Beautiful Queen Promo in the May Issue (#122). I guess I'll have to track that down. griffith ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Burger Kinks Status: O << > pss. Burger King is now using Squeeze in their commercials. That's > enough to make me eat there again...(they used the Seminoles in > their commercials...in Gainesville...) Toymaster in the UK used the Icicle Works "Evangeline". Where will it end? >> Where will it end is right. I know this has been common practice in England for years, but the trend is growing here in the States as well. It turns my stomach. I may be the lone outcast, but hearing some pop song used to schlep some product actually turns me the other way. I am LESS inclined to buy said product. As for Burger King, they're the worst at the moment- they're using any song they can get their hands on. I'll never eat there again (no big loss either). When we REALLY have to worry folks, is when songs start ending up in commercials and THEN re-entering the pop charts! This happens frequently in England as well. At least our UK counterparts tend to pick slightly better songs. I recall that Kid Creole And The Coconuts' "Life Boat Party" was used a few years back for soap or toothpaste or something, and then re-entered the British charts. Hearing Kid Creole on the radio would be OK, as he never got played here the first time around! We, on the other hand, have to suffer Modern English "I Melt With You" as a cheeseburger pitch, and then it turns up as a "Reto 80's Flashback Lunchour" tune on the local "Alternative (tm)" station. How many lemmings end up at Burger King do you think? Rant over, Jay ------------------------------ Subject: Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 16:38:29 -0000 From: The Great Quail Status: O Subject: Re: Tippy-tippy-tip-tip (No RH) Mark's custard says: >Frank Zappa: Brilliant most of the time. Though he's dead, he's still >coming out with about an album a week. Which suits me fine - much better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard, whom is also dead, though that seems not to have impacted his prolific and questionable literary output one whit. >King Crimson: As it is impossible to wish to play as technically well as >any of the members of this band, it is mathematically as reasonable to >wish I was the whole band. If you haven't seen these guys live, do it. >Also, listen to the recordings. They are the only act I can think of who >can put real feeling into something that would easily pass into the >realm of math. Wow. Mark, you have just summed up my favorite band in the world in a way that was perfect, and yet did not glow with the creepy tones of a religious fanatic's desperate harangue - I have not yet mastered that technique when talking about Crimson. People begin to look at me first in confusion, then in suspicion, and finally with a dawning sense of entrapped apprehension . . . I see their fingers twitch in nervous circles, as if to send out some primal code of impending fear . . . *who is this guy, and why do his eyes shine with an unholy light when he talks about this . . . this band. . . .* Good Lord, I'm doing it now. >Oingo Boingo: The bastids quit. They were great. They were still making >great music, but they hung it up. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. Agreed! But Thank Shai Hulud, Danny Elfman was freed to produce some of the best film scores in the latter half of this century. (Batman, Nightbreed, Pee Wee Herman, Edward Scissorhands, Scrooged, The Simpsons, and his masterpiecse, The Nighmare Before Christmas) Susan writes: >Could be. But then a lot of artists never reach that level. I wouldn't say >it's necessarily a requirement. I mean, most people agree that David Bowie >is one of rock's major artists, and he's not exactly an emotionally >revealing sort. Only a handful of his songs could really be called >emotionally revealing or even straightforward in any sense ("Heroes" is >one, and I would argue for "Rock and Roll Suicide" as well). I would also add "Quicksand," which I think is maybe his most emotionally revealing song. And as far as "Heroes," I read an interview with Bowie where he said that he wrote it in response to seeing two lovers separated by the Berlin Wall. So in a sense it is very emotional - and it is one of my favorite Bowie songs - but I'm not sure that it is *personally* revealing. I do, however, agree that "Rock and Roll Suicide" is edgy in that sense. >As I head rapidly towards posting limits..... Is that possible? And what does happen, Susan, when you approach this Event Horizon? Have you noticed any time dilation yet? My personal hypothesis is that as you approach your "posting limits" (The Susantrumanpeyote Radius) the rest of the word undergoes a shift in your perspective, by which time slows down, allowing you to keep posting more and more, which of course slows time even more, allowing you to post more, and so on . . . hence you can never truly reach *cross over* the Susantrumanpeyote Radius, as your day will last an infinity. . . . but if you *could* cross the Event Horizon, I have no idea where you would end up. If Stephen Hawking is right, perhaps an strange new Alternate Mailing List. (I have images of you suddenly emerging on the Kenny G List. . . ) Eb sez: >>Bela Lugosi's Dead (Bauhaus) > >Personally, I wish that song had never been written at all! ;) Aaaachhhsss! What is the Bagginses saying to us, my preciousss? He . . . doesn't . . . LIKE . . . oue sonnnnngggssses! Ach! But seriously . . . that song is one of the most gleefully dark songs I know. I do think, however, that some people took Bauahaus too seriously - or at least they thought Bauhaus took *themselves* too seriously, which is untrue. They really did have a tremendous sense of humor (at least for Goths!) and their whole persona was contrived to be as dark as possible - with a big, ironic, wink. I'm sorry that Susan has unpleasant memories associated with Murphy and the lads . . . alas, I still can't listen to "Where are the Prawns" after that horrible incident at the shore . . . the claws, scarbbling . . . twitching antennae . . . ahhh . . . The Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Status: O << It also explains > why I love the between show jokes, but don't really expect or really care > for humor in my music--at least not for its own sake. Hmmmm...... Listening to Adam Ant at this moment, and wondering about this very question. I would tend to agree with you for the most part, but I -do- like some music (like this) that seems to be mostly meant to amuse. I'm very fond of the Coasters as well, to name another example. I think that maybe where I'm coming from on this is- humor is just fine as long as the music part is serious enough :). I just get annoyed when the music is thin.>> I agree with Susan muchly. I also find it hard to believe that a fan of Robyn wouldn't enjoy a little humor in his / her music. I'm not saying it is WRONG not to like it, I'm just saying that Robyn in particular uses humor a lot. Seems to me someone who doesn't like that would be disgusted by Robyn. Susan gets a big, wet kiss for mentioning The Coasters. I'll add to the list one of my all time favorites- LOUIS JORDAN. You all owe it to yourself to check him out if you haven't. I've got a handful of box-sets, but if it came down to it the only one I would save would be my 9 CD Louis Jordan set from Germany. There literally isn't a bad song in the whole collection. Priceless and more than worth the $150.00 bucks! Fan rant over, Jay ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Music in commercials Status: O I gotta disagree. There's no reason why a commercial shouldn't use *good* music for a change. Squeeze didn't get their share of attention the first time around, and now an advertising blitz helps them get it back....what's the problem wiht that? Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:41:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Elfbowie Status: O The Great Quail wrote: >Danny Elfman was freed to produce some of >the best film scores in the latter half of this century. (Batman, >Nightbreed, Pee Wee Herman, Edward Scissorhands, Scrooged, The Simpsons, >and his masterpiece, The Nightmare Before Christmas) I haven't seen OR heard Nightmare Before Xmas, but boy, did I love the Edward Scissorhands score. And other folks must love it too, since I've heard it turn up in about 4 other movie trailers in recent years (The Secret Garden was one...). This brings me to MY big gripe about the misuse of songs: Anyone else think it's really offensive how movie trailers either use songs which aren't in the film OR (even worse) just steal the score from a past hit movie in some Pavlovian attempt to convince you the current product is a must-see flick? I mean, every time some military comedy comes out, they dig up the score from Stripes for the trailer. Yep! And let's not even talk about "I Feel Good," "Do You Love Me?," etc. Weirdest one ever: Cronenberg's Naked Lunch, whose trailer used Laurie Anderson's "Gravity's Rainbow" (though it wasn't in the actual film). I guess they figured all the millions of Laurie Anderson fans would put the movie over the top. ;) Oh, and I hope everyone has bought the wonderful new Simpsons/"Songs in the Key of Springfield" compilation. :) >I would also add "Quicksand," which I think is maybe his most emotionally >revealing song. How about "The Bewlay Brothers?" That seems to me as personal as song as Bowie has ever wrote.... Eb, who's also a big King Crimson fan but not enough that he speaks of them as a religion.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Infinity's Ragged Shore" Subject: Re: Music in commercials Status: O On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > I gotta disagree. There's no reason why a commercial shouldn't use *good* > music for a change. > ....what's > the problem wiht that? perhaps the root of the problem is that there *are* commercials, for anything. granted, there have been some fine commercials, but the production of things besides commercials deserves greater attention (although let that not be read as a request to stop the thread--not what i am saying at all). in the case of music, it would be preferable just to hear a good tune in its full form rather than a jingle. a case in point is some really bad cold medicine using a kinks tune as the motivating factor for one to get over a cold--just play the song and don't talk over it or i *will* get sick might be more to the point. okay i am off my soap-box. :) over, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Elfbowie Status: O On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Eb wrote: > This brings me to MY big gripe about the misuse > of songs: Anyone else think it's really offensive how movie trailers either > use songs which aren't in the film OR (even worse) just steal the score > from a past hit movie in some Pavlovian attempt to convince you the current > product is a must-see flick? Film types tell me that this at least in part because the score often isn't done - heck, sometimes the *film* isn't done - when the trailers are made. Tracy "it's not like toast that pops up in twenty seconds, you know" Copeland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:04:55 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Beautiful Queen Promo Status: O Fegs, If anyone has knowledge on how to obtain the Beautiful Queen Promo CD, please email me. I've called all the record stores I know of and have struck out. Thanks. Michael ------------------------------ Subject: Squeeze and BK From: guambat@juno.com (What's a guambat?) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:58:27 EDT Status: O I've heard quite a few people address the issue of rock songs being used for commercial purposes here on this Fegmania! list--my favorite email/discussion list, incidentally. I wrote a song about this problem a few years back and surprisingly it won me an MTV award. Well, I gotta run--I have 3 new albums to work on! Love, Neil Young ------------------------------ From: RIELWJ@sbu.edu Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:36:52 EDT Subject: Whatever and ever, amen Status: O If anyone has ever demonstrated the amorphous nature of songs than it's Hitchcock. Though I've never *console me, please* been to a show I've heard enough from others (and the live stuff I have heard) about his meanderings and "whatever suits the moment" lyrics, etc. in that sense I think the songs on record, as imperfect as some might be (and I really couldn't tell you where they are or aren't) are individual versions or stages of constantly evolving art. Art, by it's very nature, can never achieve perfection, methinks. Ask any writer and they'll tell you they are never really finished with a book or a story or a poem (or a film, whatever). As a writer, I can testify that I have never felt I've finished anything (and therein lies the rub in my case...). There just comes a time when you gotta leave it be and record it or you won't have a record. Now, I'me sure that I'm not telling any of you anything you don't already realize, but that't how I see this idea. It's interesting that we don't seem to mind people remastering songs or, for the most part, movies. However, what if--and this is just an example-- Dickens decided to go back and change the end of "A Tale of Two Cities?" Or other's decided to change parts of their acknowledged "classics" because they thought they "didn't work" or were "sloppy?" I would feel violated (although it is "their art" or has it become "ours" when they released it? A classic debate that I can see clogging this list...). I guess it all comes down to content. If the initial idea and feeling is still there, if it still says the same thing, than I don't care if it's perfect or flubbed or a tenth generation version, as long as we understand that it's "version." The songs on EYE are "versions" of those songs, and in and of themselves they are perfect. The flubs are a part of them. So I see I've contradicted myself. I said art can never reach true perfection, yet a version of a song is a"perfect" version of itsself. Any thoughts (like I need to ask!)? I don't think I was right in saying that "we" don't mind remastered songs and such. I'm sure there are those who don't want to despoil their vision "Linctus House" with a remix version by Flood or the one where you can plainly here Robyn fart. I just think that as long as there is still our own individual, quintessentioal version, we don't need to mind the rest. Sloppiness can be virtue, and it goes back to the DIY ethic we hear so much about. Now, we all hold Robyn to a higher standard than, say, Eugenius (whose sloppiness, to me, was big part of their overall charm) because he's a different breed of artist. He strives, apparently, for the perfect nugget of craft rather than embracing the sloppiness ethic (for lack of a better phrase).It's like comparing a watchmaker to someone who checks the sun for the time. They both have a general idea what time it is, one is just more precise than the other. Yours, The True and Righteous Lord of the Dance who hopes sheep-cloning runs amock, so then we can rout them. ------------------------------ From: RIELWJ@sbu.edu Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:55:30 EDT Subject: Unimart Coffee Status: O Just drinking Unimart coffee and responding to many many things I read today and i'me still retarded about how to directly quote from your messages so.... To Lindhurst: I was reading some article about this Michael Flatley fellow and the article posed the questionHow does one become Lord of the Dance? I concluded that one only has to proclaim themselves Lord of the Dance. I proclaim myself the true and righteous Lord of the Dance. I am also a Phd in microbioogy and author of the bestselling novel "Men Are From Mars, yadda yadda yadda." I cook my beans and weiners in the camp that says "Airscape" is merely okay. The first time I heard it I thought it was great, but now it is merely backgroung music (well done background music). I also prefer "Earthly Paradise" as someone else wrote. I have "This Is Our Music" by Galaxie 500 and "The Good earth" by the Feelies. "Fourth of July" by G5 is as sublime as it gets, folks. Did I read that Ryko is reissuing three 500 lps? Although the underlying mystery in "Strange Days" is rather conmventional, I think it's a great vision and work of craftsmanship. There is enough originality to get by, and I really liked Ralph Fiennes in this movie. I find him more charasmatic than many people seem to anymore. Has anyone heard the entire Squirrl Nut Zippers lp "Hot"? I absolutely ador the single and video "Hell" but am not sure if I want to invets $12 in the whole cd. Looking for opinions if there are any knowledgeable Fegs out there. I have more to say but must run off to Geography for Elementary Education class. Will return.... The True and Righteous Lord of the Dance ------------------------------ From: bootlegs@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:37:28 -0700 Subject: Live In Years Status: O Last week I posted that I had an extra copy of The Yip Song CD single that has the B-sides Bright Fresh Flower and the otherwise unreleased Live In Years. I got such a good response to the post that I went back to the store today and asked the guy if he had any more and he pulled 4 more copies out of the back. So, I have 3 on the block. I don't want money. I would like to trade for shows. Peter ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dobbsy wishes... Status: O <> Dobbsy, my friend, you rule! You had some fine, fine choices on your list, but these two in particular are gems from the corners of my mind! Thanks for reminding me of them! Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Status: O Our beloved James wrote: << one of Robyn's most thought provoking and least talked about songs (hey, doesn't ANYONE like "Never stop bleeding" apart from me?>> ME, ME, ME!!!! Funny this should come up, actually, as I was going to post something to the list that "Never Stop Bleeding" figured in. A close internet friend of mine (who depends on me to turn her on to great music ;) ) has heard me talk so much about Robyn and this list that she went out and picked up the A&M Greatest Hits collection and Perspex. She's enjoying them muchly. When I told her that PI isn't held in high esteem among many fans, she said, "Damn! Did I get the wrong disc?" "No," I said, but that she should also hear some other material besides the two discs she's got. From this conversation, I sat down to make her a tape of Robyn that would span his career, but would omit ANY material that she already has- thus giving her more bang for the buck, so to speak. This was a fun, but trying task as even with the omission of some of my favorites, I STILL had a hard time trying to cram it all on a 100 min. tape. SO- do you all want to see what I picked? To bring this back around full circle, "Never Stop Bleeding" was one of my EoL picks. << Which only goes to show that we all have different tastes, I suppose, which is what is known as A GOOD THING. I like good things like this. They are nice.>> A show of hands of those who think James is a "good thing!" << (to which I'd add, in various media, Bulgakov's "The Master and Margarita", Cale's "Paris 1919">> Can Susan's comments be far behind? ;) <> FIND THIS WORD FOR ME, SIR! James, I'm lovin' you you li'l fucker! Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:20:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Music in commercials Status: O On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > I gotta disagree. There's no reason why a commercial shouldn't use *good* > music for a change. Squeeze didn't get their share of attention the first > time around, and now an advertising blitz helps them get it back....what's > the problem wiht that? > Ahh but....how many people know it's Squeeze? Some will call to find out (GE received something like 100,000 calls about Pachabel eons ago) but a lot of people will be clueless so in the end, Squeeze gets no credit and Burger King gets use of a catchy tune it didn't have to pay an ad person to create! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:00:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Music in commercials Status: O > perhaps the root of the problem is that there *are* commercials, for > anything. Communist! :) > in the case of music, it would be preferable just to hear a good > tune in its full form rather than a jingle. a case in point is some > really bad cold medicine using a kinks tune as the motivating factor > for one to get over a cold--just play the song and don't talk over it > or i *will* get sick might be more to the point. We had a discussion about this over on the Kinks list. People were fair incensed, especially since they didn't use the actual song, but a soundalike band. I'm assuming that they had permission to do this, as there has been no lawsuit a la Tom Waits and the Doritos commercial. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:05:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Funny Business (roughly 10% Robyn) Status: O > I agree with Susan muchly. > > I also find it hard to believe that a fan of Robyn wouldn't enjoy a little > humor in his / her music. I'm not saying it is WRONG not to like it, I'm > just saying that Robyn in particular uses humor a lot. Seems to me someone > who doesn't like that would be disgusted by Robyn. Well, since Andy mentioned "Sleeping Knights of Jesus" as one of his favorite Robyn tunes, I don't think he meant the statement to be taken as an absolute. > Susan gets a big, wet kiss for mentioning The Coasters. I suppose that's better than a big dry kiss! Or kiss without makeup, for that matter :). > I'll add to the list > one of my all time favorites- LOUIS JORDAN. You all owe it to yourself to > check him out if you haven't. I've got a handful of box-sets, but if it came > down to it the only one I would save would be my 9 CD Louis Jordan set from > Germany. There literally isn't a bad song in the whole collection. > Priceless and more than worth the $150.00 bucks! Where'd ya get that? Huh? Huh? I'd love to have that. My Original Decca Recordings CD got lost somehow when I moved back in December and I miss it muchly. I'll lend you my double disc Fats Waller set as collateral if you're worried about getting it back :). But you probably have that already! Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:19:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus Status: O > Which suits me fine - much better than, say, L. Ron Hubbard, whom is also > dead, though that seems not to have impacted his prolific and > questionable literary output one whit. Not to mention his musical output. Anyone here familiar with a recording called "Space Jazz"? Well, try not to acquire familiarity with it if you can help it. > when talking about Crimson. People begin to look at me first in > confusion, then in suspicion, and finally with a dawning sense of > entrapped apprehension . . . I see their fingers twitch in nervous > circles, as if to send out some primal code of impending fear . . . *who > is this guy, and why do his eyes shine with an unholy light when he talks > about this . . . this band. . . .* Ah, the plight of fanatics everywhere. In my case it happens to be whenever someone mentions the Kinks. The faces of those around me seem to begin to reflect a sense of impending doom. > >revealing sort. Only a handful of his songs could really be called > >emotionally revealing or even straightforward in any sense ("Heroes" is > >one, and I would argue for "Rock and Roll Suicide" as well). > > I would also add "Quicksand," which I think is maybe his most emotionally > revealing song. And as far as "Heroes," I read an interview with Bowie > where he said that he wrote it in response to seeing two lovers separated > by the Berlin Wall. So in a sense it is very emotional - and it is one of > my favorite Bowie songs - but I'm not sure that it is *personally* > revealing. I do, however, agree that "Rock and Roll Suicide" is edgy in > that sense. As far as "Heroes" goes- I agree that it's not necessarily -personally- revealing. I mentioned it because it's one of the few really emotional moments in the entire Bowie catalog. As he himself says "Ain't there one damn song that can make me break down and cry"? > more, and so on . . . hence you can never truly reach *cross over* the > Susantrumanpeyote Radius, as your day will last an infinity. . . . but if > you *could* cross the Event Horizon, I have no idea where you would end > up. If Stephen Hawking is right, perhaps an strange new Alternate Mailing > List. (I have images of you suddenly emerging on the Kenny G List. . . ) I think if that were to happen the universe really would implode. > with a big, ironic, wink. I'm sorry that Susan has unpleasant memories > associated with Murphy and the lads . . . I am trying very hard to forget the black lipstick and the spiked bangs. I will also say nothing at this time of the long black skirts or the large costume-jewelled pins, nor will I mention the dyed black hair. > alas, I still can't listen to > "Where are the Prawns" after that horrible incident at the shore . . . > the claws, scarbbling . . . twitching antennae . . . ahhh . . . It couldn't have been worse than that giant fake ruby Maltese cross pin I had. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:26:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Status: O On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 Hedblade@aol.com wrote: > Our beloved James wrote: > > << one of Robyn's most thought provoking and least talked about songs (hey, > doesn't ANYONE like "Never stop bleeding" apart from me?>> > > ME, ME, ME!!!! Funny this should come up, actually, as I was going to post > something to the list that "Never Stop Bleeding" figured in. Oh yay! Thanks for mentioning it. That's the song that does it for me on EofL. > enjoying them muchly. When I told her that PI isn't held in high esteem > among many fans, she said, "Damn! Did I get the wrong disc?" "No," I said, > but that she should also hear some other material besides the two discs she's > got. Well, if she likes it, it's not the wrong disc, is it? This is all pretty subjective, after all. A friend bought IODOT (mostly because he liked the title) and asked me if it was "the right one" and that's wot I said on that occasion too. For him it was, actually, as he is super low-fi dude (rarely buys studio albums even and very into collecting live material)- PI wouldn't have been. I trust your friend has a different (less extreme) aesthetic. > task as even with the omission of some of my favorites, I STILL had a hard > time trying to cram it all on a 100 min. tape. SO- do you all want to see > what I picked? I'd be interested in seeing it actually. I want to see how it jibes with the one I put together for my friend Hugh. Did you include SBs or just Robyn? > A show of hands of those who think James is a "good thing!" Me! Me! "Laid" is a brilliant song! Oops, wrong James :). Oh well, I like both kinds. > << (to which I'd add, in various media, Bulgakov's "The Master and > Margarita", Cale's "Paris 1919">> > > Can Susan's comments be far behind? ;) Well, to paraphrase Fats Waller- the comments I left behind me are constantly before me, and I hope they'll be beside me someday. > < remember. But it translates into English as "the sadness at the thought of > alternative futures that might have been".>> > > FIND THIS WORD FOR ME, SIR! Oh how lovely! Yes, find it, immediately. I want to know what it is too. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:21:35 -0400 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: Son of "Various Replies," incl. Crimson, Bowie & Bauhaus Status: O >Agreed! But Thank Shai Hulud, Danny Elfman was freed to produce some of >the best film scores in the latter half of this century. (Batman, >Nightbreed, Pee Wee Herman, Edward Scissorhands, Scrooged, The Simpsons, >and his masterpiecse, The Nighmare Before Christmas) Whoa. A Dune reference. I'm entirely stunned. And by the way, I'll toss in my support for Bauhaus as well. I thought they were great way back when, and still get a riotous blast out of 'em on those rare occasions when they slip one of their disks into the changer unnoticed. Anyone out there amazed by the Lollapalooza news? __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:19:03 -0700 Subject: the apparatus in susan's car Status: O i know i'm very new to the list, and have absolutely no right to say the following, but i'm kind of a jerk, so i'll say it anyway. it really bugs me when people use acronyms to abbreviate album titles (IODoT, EoL, GoF, PI etc.) If you must abbreviate, i for one would really appreciate it if you'd just use one of the words from the title. for example: Trains, Pespex, Moonlight, Element, Frogs, Decay, etc. somebodies were talking about listening to certain albums during certain seasons. i'm not aware personally of such proclivities, but i do think the autumn songs--Autumn Sea, Autumn Is Your Last Chance, Falling Leaves (how many am i misssing?) are among the most evocative of the entire batch. no matter WHEN i listen to these songs, it always FEELS like autumn. and october is my favorite month, followed by november, september, december, and august. so, i really like listening to those songs. i agree with terry that egyptians versions of many of the solo songs sound absolutely incredible, some maybe even better. doesn't mean i don't like listening to EYE and TRAINS anymore, though. also, by the same token, some band songs sound absolutely amazing solo live. think of Chinese Bones, I Got The Hots For You, Birdshead (i know, i know), Queen of Eyes, Airscape (which simply cannot be topped no matter how it's played), 52 stations... i have a query for those who have seen a jillion concerts and heard all the rest: have andy and/or morris ever been given a lead vocal, apart from Uncorrected Personality Traits? someone, a long while back, mentioned something to the effect that the guitar solo at the end of You And Oblivion is the be-all and end-all. i'd like to agree, and also go so far as to say that, though i won't quite put the song on top yet, it makes my very, very short list. so short, i'll give you the whole thing: Airscape...and the others, in alphabetical order...52 Stations (Kershaw), Autumn Is Your Last Chance, Underwater Moonlight, You And Oblivion. I don't know of a more emotionally draining song than You And Oblivion. I also think its placement on the album is pretty important: after the bouncy fun song De Chirico Street, it then starts out as a kind of pedestrian, forgettable song, gradually building, kicking into high gear with the line "back when the death train...," and leaving you completely in shambles, followed by a long break before the last song of the album, a slow, pensive song. yes, robyn is god. speaking of forgettable, though, the first time i heard You And Oblivion was in Seattle in '95, and he introduced it, "This is called 'You And Oblivion'" and i thought, "ah, another song not on the album of the same name." and i didn't really think it was that great. i don't know why. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .