From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #79 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 79 Tuesday April 22 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Re: Odds & sods Re: Various Replies Re: visions of johanna Re: Various Replies elliott smith stuffs for sale Re: The "complete" bass player? Re: Various Replies Foot-in-mouth disease.. Re: Various Replies Re: The "complete" bass player? Matt and the Twins Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Re: Songs I Wish I Had written [TAB] Glass Hotel Re: Songs I Wish I Had written PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:25:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Further commentary on the subject..... On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, donald andrew snyder wrote: > Thought that I'd try > > > (these are all songs that are in my style, only better...) > > Songs I Wish I Had Written: > Skyway, Achin' to Be--Replacements > If I were the Man You Wanted--Lyle Lovett Ah, I knew I'd forget something in my list! I think maybe I'd pick "Sonya" or "She's Already Made Up Her Mind", although I'm not sure how well they'd suit me. > Days, Muswell Hillbillies--Kinks > Except the New Girl--Chris Isaak Something else I had forgotten. Again, I'd have picked a different one. Probably "Another Idea". > Flight 505, Dead Flowers--Rolling Stones My favorite Stones song. But I'm not growly enough to do it justice (not even after a pack of Camels :)). Still, I'm glad someone mentioned it. > Reckless Kind, Walking on a Wire--Richard Thompson What do ya'll think of Robyn's cover of "Withered and Died" an "Live Death"? Just curious. I rather like it. > > Almost: (Very good songs, but not *exactly* my style.) > Probably better than my style... Don't sell yourself short, kiddo :). > Airscape--Robyn Why is everyone so into this song? I don't want to start up a war about this or anything, but I've never understood why it was so many listers' fave rave. > Sigmund Freud's Impersonation of Albert Einstein in America--Randy Newman So far that one wins for best title mentioned. Anyone think they'd like to have written "Rene and Georgette Magritte with Their Dog After the War" or "The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive-ass Slippers"? Love on ya, Susan who still stands by most of her list, most assuredly the one she's listening to now, "This is Airebeat". Anyone know what happened to that band, the Squares? That song is -excellent- groovy. Was it just an anomaly or are there other albums/singles by this band floating around worth checking out? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:28:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Odds & sods On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-Sonoma-om1.om.hp.com wrote: > Hmmmm, I thought the end line in "Night Ride" was "I dream of > Robespierre" (spelling notwithstanding). Did this cause anyone else to die laughing? "I often dream of Robespierre when I'm alone/ Like Napoleon he died upon the phone"...... > > pss. Burger King is now using Squeeze in their commercials. That's > > enough to make me eat there again...(they used the Seminoles in > > their commercials...in Gainesville...) > > Toymaster in the UK used the Icicle Works "Evangeline". Where will it > end? Well, I mean really, I love Ray Charles but that doesn't change the fact that Diet Pepsi is vile. There are limits! :) Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:16:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Various Replies >Bela Lugosi's Dead (Bauhaus) Personally, I wish that song had never been written at all! ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 10:15:23 -500 From: spine@iastate.edu (James Francis) Subject: Re: visions of johanna > the may issue of musician has an article where a bunch of songwriters talk > about what they consider to be the greatest song of all time. here's what > robyn had to say: > > >Robyn Hitchcock on "Visions Of Johanna" > > > >I first heard it thirty years ago. I was probably at school in a > >basement, watching the older guys crowd 'round the record player > >going, "This is it, man." I loved it simply for the feeling of the > >song, and that's why I still love it. It manages to convey so many > >contradictory moods. He's doing what he does best, which is kind of > >complaining in a very soulful way, but he's doing it with a lot of > >exhilaration, and it's like being uplifted and downcast > >simultaneously. It's like a candle burning upwards. It doesn't make > >any sense, but it does, as if the more the candle burns, the longer it > >gets. It's very sad and very funny at the same time, and it's not easy > >to convey those feelings simultaneously. He also mentions a Barrett song--I think it was "Octopus"--and says that years ago he couldn't play that one, but now he's comfortable with performing it. Has anyone heard him play this one? (I may have the details wrong.) --"Jim" Francis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:41:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Various Replies As I head rapidly towards posting limits..... On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Eb wrote: > >Bela Lugosi's Dead (Bauhaus) > > Personally, I wish that song had never been written at all! ;) Well, I am not a Bauhaus fan myself, for reasons that I won't bore everyone with at this time. Let's just say memories of adolescent awkwardness and leave it at that :). Although I am fond of some of the offshoots of Bauhaus, most notably David J. (one of my favorite clever song lyrics ever is from his "This is Party Time"- "It's better than a cold bath with someone you dislike" :)). Anyway, I had to say that although I don't care at all for Bauhaus, as the opening song to "The Hunger" "Bela Lugosi" worked pretty well. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: elliott smith anyone hear and or like this guy? I really dig his new lp "either/or" "One should have but a few good friends, but one can never have too many good-looking friends" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:55:17 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: stuffs for sale fegs, some of you may be interested in this. if so, please contact the guy who is selling the stuff, not me! >For Sale/Trade - Chris Ullsperger >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >RECORDS >12" & 10" (for trade or sale where indicated) > >Soft Boys _Live at the Portland Arms_ (Glass Fish) $10 >v/a _Alvin Lives (in Leeds)_ (Wedding Present, Popguns, R. Hitchcock et al; >Spasm/Midnight) $12 +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:16:39 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: The "complete" bass player? At 03:06 PM 4/21/97 -0500, Truman Peyote wrote: >> I believe that Matt played bass on most of the original album. >> And definitely Kingdom of Love and Underwater Moonlight > >Yeah, I'll go with that. I don't know for sure but it does sound like him. >I'm still kinda amazed that he ended up in the Thompson Twins, but then >Phil Manzanera ended up playing in Concrete Blonde so I suppose >anything's possible. Eh? Paul Thompson, Roxy's drummer through MANIFESTO, played with Concrete Blonde for a while, but Manzanera? Maybe I blinked and missed something, but it seems like I'd have remembered that... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:16:42 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Various Replies Really, I usually don't spend all day correcting and/or amending Susan's posts (cue the Stones: "you're so correct-uh-bull..."), but... At 06:41 PM 4/21/97 -0500, Truman Peyote wrote: >awkwardness and leave it at that :). Although I am fond of some of the >offshoots of Bauhaus, most notably David J. (one of my favorite clever >song lyrics ever is from his "This is Party Time"- "It's better than a >cold bath with someone you dislike" :)). This may be one of those Jazz Butcher songs of which there is a David J version (they were labelmates on Glass Records in the mid-'80s and David J served a stint in the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy on A SCANDAL IN BOHEMIA and SEX & TRAVEL), but it's a Pat Fish (a.k.a. the Jazz Butcher) composition. Since I just got done dubbing five copies of my Jazz Butcher career-spanning comp, I'm up on these things! back in the box, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:19:12 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: walden@universe.digex.net Subject: Foot-in-mouth disease.. On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 Bayard chastened: > all my years of dedication to robyn obsessiveness, and this is what i > get remembered for. sheesh. and anyway, it was Gene who brought a > camera. i just moved too quickly for him to capture me in it. Gosh darn it. Every time I post to this list these days I put my foot in it. First I accuse Russ of being on the other side of the Eye/PI debate, and now Bayard is wrongly fingered as the non-photographer... I guess I'd better just get on and apologise to everybody for everything I've done in my entire life ...and everything I'm going to do in the future. There. Done. I've aplogised for the mistakes, now you'd better get used to them 'cuz there's plenty more to come. ~N Probability factor 1:1. This is normality. Anything you can't handle is now your own problem. (HHGTTG) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:35:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Various Replies > >offshoots of Bauhaus, most notably David J. (one of my favorite clever > >song lyrics ever is from his "This is Party Time"- "It's better than a > >cold bath with someone you dislike" :)). > > This may be one of those Jazz Butcher songs of which there is a David J > version (they were labelmates on Glass Records in the mid-'80s and David J > served a stint in the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy on A SCANDAL IN BOHEMIA and > SEX & TRAVEL), but it's a Pat Fish (a.k.a. the Jazz Butcher) composition. > Since I just got done dubbing five copies of my Jazz Butcher career-spanning > comp, I'm up on these things! I stand corrected. The version I am familiar with is David J's and I had always assumed he wrote it (it was on a dubbed David J tape a friend of mine had, so there weren't any songwriting credits listed), but I'm the first to admit I'm not all that up on the Bauhausians and their doings :). As for Manzanera and Concrete Blonde....you are now officially the second person to have asked me about that. I'm similarly fuzzy on this question, but I do seem to remember that he was touring with them at some point recently ('95 I think), though I don't have any memory of him actually recording with them. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:10:05 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: The "complete" bass player? On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 Susan Truman Peyote Dodge opined: > > > not make him a better bass player than, say, Charlie Mingus, Robbie > > > Shakespeare, Adam Clayton, Michael Manring or even ....our Andy! > > What about Charlie Haden? Paul McCartney? Jaco Pastorius? John > Gustafson (Roxy Music, for those unfamiliar)? Or even Nick Lowe? Just > to mention a few... Yes, yes, yes. That was my point exactly! I just pulled some random names out of the air, trying to show something of the diversity out there. They are all good players, but it's pointless trying to compare one with the other. > This "who's the better bass player" discussion is a bit silly. Quite so. > > > thing to do is to simplify. (Virtuoso soloing is another thing > > > entirely, of course--but a relatively new aspect to bass playing) > > Not really. Only new if you aren't a jazz listener, in which case it's > around 40 years old or thereabouts ;). True, there were certainly great jazz players who could solo 40+ years ago. But it tended to be more an exposition of the typical supportive-playing skills than the fretboard-melting pyrotechnics that came later from the likes of Stanley Clark or latterly Victor Wooten. It was the advent of the electric bass (50's) which gave players the audibility to play "up front" and the easier action (not to mention frets) to enable faster playing. At first these guys went overboard of course. I have a 1960's vintage Monk Montgomery album which is *only* bass. MM is a fine bass player, but this must be one of the most unlistenable albums of all time. Later players figured out how to do it properly and the techniques became integrated into the bass playing styles you'll hear anywhere today. > ...what he actually said was that he could sing "You Really > Got Me" better than Frank Sinatra could, and I'm pretty sure that no > one would argue with that. That sort of gets to the heart of what I > mean. In a nutshell! > > ps. Could someone explain this "Good Times" hoax thing? I keep > > hearing about it, but I never heard it. > > It's a hoax thing :). > It's supposed to be some heinous virus that you get when you open your > email. It is impossible to get a virus through simply reading your > email, therefore this is a hoax. Susan's right. But the real "virus" is the warning message itself! If everyone good-spiritedly sends it to all their friends, who send it to all their friends, who send it to all their friends... you get the picture. The network gets clogged with all these junk messages. Everyone is scared to touch their email and has this warning multiple times in their mailbox. It's kinda like tribbles. What's more, it won't die. Every time a new user sees the message and freaks out, it starts again. It has even mutated. someone sent me a "petition to save public broadcasting" the other day. "Send this message to all your friends" it said. That otherwise intelligent and thoughtful person now knows the meaning of the two words: "hoax" and "flame". ;) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:29:25 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: Truman Peyote Subject: Matt and the Twins On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 Susan added: > I'm still kinda amazed that he ended up in the Thompson Twins, but then > Phil Manzanera ended up playing in Concrete Blonde so I suppose > anything's possible. Hubba Wha? The early Thompson Twins are my favourite live band EVER! That was when there were about 19 of them... They used to finish their shows by handing out percussion instruments to the audience - half of whom ended up sharing the stage. They were awesome! For an *idea* of the music check out "A Product of .." (if you can find it). Nothing I've heard recorded really does them justice however. All this was before they became a formula-pop threesome. I've never forgiven Tom Bailey for taking the name with him to his iwannabeapopstar venture. Matt was one of the "good twins". I think he got his pink slip along with the others when TB decided to head for the charts. (Which he succeeded in doing, BTW) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:30:32 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Truman Peyote wrote: > > > Almost: (Very good songs, but not *exactly* my style.) > > Probably better than my style... What I should've said is "different." I'm sure I only think of it as better because it is something that I am far from achieving: concrete particularity. Maybe I'm just not up for that level of revealing yet. > Don't sell yourself short, kiddo :). I may sound like Mr. Costello, but I could never write "Since when were you so generous and inarticulate...It's the way your soldiers shake and what they're shaking for...It's knowing that he knows you now after only guessing." > > Airscape--Robyn > > Why is everyone so into this song? I don't want to start up a war about > this or anything, but I've never understood why it was so many listers' > fave rave. I started to say that it's because of the reality of imperfection (perfect lover never there), but I think it is as close as Robyn gets to musical perfection. Although he's a genius, most of his songs have some small element that throws me. This song does not. When I said that I agreed with Nick, it was on the likeableness of perfection. I now think that this might just be a question of seriousness (why I prefer She Doesn't Exist and Earthly Paradise from PI) and not perfection. It also explains why I love the between show jokes, but don't really expect or really care for humor in my music--at least not for its own sake. Regardless, another serious (perfect?) song is "Hallelujah," which you included. "Chelsea Hotel" should've made my list. Perhaps we should include favorite lines in our discussion. Take care, Andy "You told me again that you preferred handsome men, but for me you would make an exception. And clenching your fists for the ones like us who are oppressed by figures of beauty, you fixed yourself and said nevermind, we are ugly but we have the music." from Chelsea Hotel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:02:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, donald andrew snyder wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Truman Peyote wrote: > > > > Almost: (Very good songs, but not *exactly* my style.) > > > Probably better than my style... > What I should've said is "different." I'm sure I only think of it as > better because it is something that I am far from achieving: concrete > particularity. Maybe I'm just not up for that level of revealing yet. Could be. But then a lot of artists never reach that level. I wouldn't say it's necessarily a requirement. I mean, most people agree that David Bowie is one of rock's major artists, and he's not exactly an emotionally revealing sort. Only a handful of his songs could really be called emotionally revealing or even straightforward in any sense ("Heroes" is one, and I would argue for "Rock and Roll Suicide" as well). So whether or not it's something one -needs- to achieve is up for debate, and whether it's better is also up for debate. Personally -I- think of this as "better", but then we've already had plenty of discussion about this, seems to me, not very long ago :). > > Don't sell yourself short, kiddo :). > I may sound like Mr. Costello, but I could never write "Since when were > you so generous and inarticulate...It's the way your soldiers Um, I think it's shoulders :). Kinda makes more sense. > shake > and what they're shaking for...It's knowing that he knows you now after > only guessing." True, it's hard to write something that intimate and honest, and harder still to perform it publically. Even Elvis Costello didn't do it very often (write like that, I mean, though I don't think he performs it very often either). > with Nick, it was on the likeableness of perfection. I now think that > this might just be a question of seriousness (why I prefer She Doesn't > Exist and Earthly Paradise from PI) and not perfection. It also explains > why I love the between show jokes, but don't really expect or really care > for humor in my music--at least not for its own sake. Hmmmm...... Listening to Adam Ant at this moment, and wondering about this very question. I would tend to agree with you for the most part, but I -do- like some music (like this) that seems to be mostly meant to amuse. I'm very fond of the Coasters as well, to name another example. I think that maybe where I'm coming from on this is- humor is just fine as long as the music part is serious enough :). I just get annoyed when the music is thin. (Aside re: Adam Ant- his latest album, an attempt to go serious, wasn't half as good as his early records, musically -or- lyrically. It seems that his true inner life is not as interesting or entertaining as the character he created for himself back in the day). > Regardless, another serious (perfect?) song is "Hallelujah," which you > included. "Chelsea Hotel" should've made my list. I thought about including "Tangled Up in Blue" as well. But then if I included all the songs I wished I'd written I'd be here all day. > Perhaps we should include favorite lines in our discussion. Favorite lines period? Or favorite lines from otherwise unworthy tunes? Either way, I suspect that might take all day as well :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: Aidan Cully Subject: [TAB] Glass Hotel Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Fanning the flames in the Eye vs. Everything but I Often Dream of Trains debate: (I know its incomplete, but it will hopefully get people started, and I'm starting to have trouble with parts of it. Corrections are welcome and encouraged). Patterns: Intro 1 Intro 2 E-----------0---- E---7-------7---- B---0---0-------0 B-------0-------0 G-----8--h9---8-- G-----8--h9---9-- D-9-------------- D-9-------------- A---------------- A---------------- E---------------- E---------------- Song 1 Song 2 Song 3 Song 4 Song 5 Song 6 E-------- E-------0 E-------- E-------- E-------- E-------- B---0---- B---0---- B---0---0 B---0---0 B---0---0 B---0---0 G-----8h9 G-----9-- G-------- G-------- G-------- G-------- D-9------ D-7------ D-----9-- D-----9-- D-----9-- D-----9-- A-------- A-------- A-7------ A-------- A-------- A-------- E-------- E-------- E-------- E-7------ E-0------ E-9------ Song 7 [Strumming A(V)] [Intro 1]x2 [Intro 2]x6 [Song 1] [Song 2] [Song 1] Seems like you were in a glass hotel.. [Song 2] [Song 3] Seems like... Seems like... [Song 1] [Song 2] [Song 1] Seems like everything was going well.. [Song 2] [Song 3] Seems like.. A dream. [Song 4] [Song 5] And the radio was playing [Song 6] In the darkness of the hall [Song 7] There was someone standing with you who just [Song 5] Wasn't there at all [Song 1] And you were laughing Seems like you were in a glass hotel... Seems like.. Seems like... Seems like everything was going well.. Seems like.. A dream. And the telephone was ringing In a corridor of blue A geranium came out of it re- minded me of you And I was crying [Song 8] [Song 9] E-7-------------- E-5-------------- B-7-0---0---0---0 B-5-0-------0---- G-8-------------- G-x---8-------8-- D-9---0-------0-- D-7-----9-------9 A-9-------------- A-7-------------- E-7-------7------ E-5-------5------ Seems like you were in a glass hotel... Seems like.. Seems like... Seems like everything was going well.. Seems like.. A dream. And there's nothing in the future, And there's nothing in the past, There is only this one moment and you've Gotta make it last And you were laughing in a glass hotel... ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(KWI-C09)" Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:06:52 -0400 Susan said: > > Airscape--Robyn > > Why is everyone so into this song? I don't want to start up a war about > this or anything, but I've never understood why it was so many listers' > fave rave. My sentiments exactly. It's a nice song with a nice sound but I find it just passes by in the background and doesn't grip me in the way that my favourite songs do. Perhaps it is to do with the fact that I am a bit younger than the average list member (I'm 23) but I prefer Robyn's more unsettled work (Soft Boys/BSDR). I find it more powerful, exciting and innovative then Robyn's subsequent work, as much as I enjoy that. And the difference for me is not to do with the ballad-like nature of the song. Probably my favourite RH song is I Often Dream of Trains (and the album from which that came is one of favourite albums). I just find that something like IODOT resonates more strongly with me and feels a lot more natural and close to the bone (despite its lyrics are more obscure). Like a lot of EOL, Airscape feels a bit forced, like he sat down to write a song rather than just let the songs pour out. Compared to such classically beautiful songs such as Waterloo Sunset (speaking of songs I wish I had written!), I find Airscape lacks some crucial emotional impact (in the music especially) to take it to the next level. Maybe when I'm closer to Robyn's age, I will see it differently. Obviously, this is very subjective and many readers will not relate to this at all, given that it has topped most of the best song polls and is Robyn's favourite song. But that is half of what makes this list so interesting. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:32:01 -0800 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soccer Spent a week marking essays, didn't read no mail, Yeah I spent a week marking essays, didn't read no mail, But now I'm back, I got my toast an' I'm ready to wail! Whoa Terrence and Susan, creatin' quite some speech, Talkin' Fab Four and Bob, and some old Boys from the Beach, And worst of all, dissing old friend Mr Leitch! (all together now) I got them get up, go to work, 3 Meg in the mailbox blues, I got them get up, go to work, 5 Meg in the mailbox blues, Think I'll post this to the feg list, then I might have a snooze... --- >--Production-- the Moody Blues are up here somewhere,as is the inestimable Mr. B.Eno - although in his case, like Van Dyke Parks (see Wilson, B), the recording studio is basically played like an extra instrument, rather than being "layerings of extra production" >Bob Dylan not always... have a listen to some of his work and there is definitely production there, it's just subtle (try "Ring them Bells", or anything else on "Oh Mercy") >--No Production-- very early Billy Bragg, and Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska (both recorded direct to 2-track at times) end up down here somewhere. Hell, even my recordings have more production than that! As to the Eye vs PI., Beatle A vs Beatle B business, I love Perspex Island and Eye, and all levels of production. It was PI that got me hooked on Robyn, and it's still in high regard round here, although my favourite now is EoL, which beautifully straddles the gap between Eye and PI, adds a nod to Lennon (Somewhere apart), a song about fish (Bass), a transcendent walk on (or above) the coast (Airscape), and one of Robyn's most thought provoking and least talked about songs (hey, doesn't ANYONE like "Never stop bleeding" apart from me?) Then again, I also can see the merits of the albums "Imagine" and "London Town" (an overlooked gem), as well as loving "Isn't it a pity" and "You're sixteen". Which only goes to show that we all have different tastes, I suppose, which is what is known as A GOOD THING. I like good things like this. They are nice. They make the world smile. Ah, computing at 3am... I should have known better (hey, catchy...). Perhaps I should just write about flags. Discussion on the flag list today has been about the possibility of the Falklands adopting a new flag. One suggestion - a picture of a penguin dressed as Vera Lynn. >Bob Dylan isn't a bad musician. His songs work in that >setting. But compared to, say, Yes, his songs look kinda 3-chordy and >simplistic. That's what I'm saying. and Robyn Hitchcock's melodic structures are pretty simplistic compared to Johann Sebastian Bach's. Your point is...? > "Eye" - with all its quirks, oddities, charms, false notes, and moments > of haunting transcendence - certainly belongs here, as does Joyce's > "Ulysses," Dylan's "Blood on the Tracks," Lennon's "Plastic Ono Band" and > Wim Wender's "Wings of Desire." (Please, I am not comparing genius levels > here; just similiar strivings in different media.) whoever wrote this (sorry - I deleted too soon, an embarrassing problem) shares my favourite things. This is a magical list (to which I'd add, in various media, Bulgakov's "The Master and Margarita", Cale's "Paris 1919", The Beatles' "Rubber Soul" and Kubrick's "2001:A space odyssey") >And, has anyone ever heard "Boil Crisis"? Paul does have a sense of >humor, and a quite bizarre one. anyone remember Thrillington? >I'm now listening to the Linctus House, which once played back in >about half the normal time, at the normal pitch. This was a great loss, >since as a 41 year old fart, I have seen former lovers after more than >20 years and have known that sad strangeness. The Germans have a word for this feeling, which unfortunately I cannot remember. But it translates into English as "the sadness at the thought of alternative futures that might have been". The Germans have some wonderful words - but to use them you need Sprachgefuhl (the ability to judge exactly how and when to use an unusual word). >Which reminds me, we haven't done a feg demographics in awhile. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Glen's album of the day (4/18/97): >Tori Amos -- _Little Earthquakes_ (Atlantic Records, 1991) Glorious album. You either played it because it was St Galdinus's day, or because you live in San Francisco :) and finally: > Brian Wilson or Bob Dylan? Bob Wilson. Legendary Arsenal goalkeeper of the early 1970s. Played for Scotland, too, and later acted as a sports commentator on British Television. Member of the great '71 league & cup double team. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:36:25 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Susan says: > > I may sound like Mr. Costello, but I could never write "Since when were > > you so generous and inarticulate...It's the way your soldiers > > Um, I think it's shoulders :). Kinda makes more sense. Oh yeah. That damn ebonics course. > very fond of the Coasters as well, to name another example. I think that > maybe where I'm coming from on this is- humor is just fine as long as the > music part is serious enough :). I just get annoyed when the music is > thin. Agreed. I have a new theory. Humor works best in self depricating snips of resignment (and usually has something to do with booze or cigarettes). "There was liquor on my breath, you were on my mind"--Mats "Telling tales of drunkeness and cruelty"--Kinks "The sunshine bores the daylights out of me"--Stones "Jesus rides beside me and never has any smokes"--Mats "Certain death from cancer if you smoke"--Robyn "I'll have another cigarette"--Beatles > Favorite lines period? Or favorite lines from otherwise unworthy tunes? > Either way, I suspect that might take all day as well :). Probably the former. The last thing I need is to be lead to a useless album because I was hooked on one line. Still, it probably is more trouble than it's worth. Most everyone displays their taste rather transparently around here (I think). Thanks to various recs since I've joined, I am now a Roxy Music, Loud Family, John Cale, and King Crimson fan:) Keep it up. Some of us are just now hitting musical puberty. Andy, 23 and loving Airscape ------------------------------ From: "The Midnight Fish" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:10:56 -0800 Subject: Re: PI vs I, Paul vs John, Bob vs Brian, a penguin and some soc So sayeth James Dignan : > anyone remember Thrillington? Ah, Percy!!! I remember it well... Do you remember the Country Hams??? > >Glen's album of the day (4/18/97): > >Tori Amos -- _Little Earthquakes_ (Atlantic Records, 1991) > > Glorious album. You either played it because it was St Galdinus's > day, or because you live in San Francisco :) Very good. I never would have expected the correct answer from someone in a different hemisphere. :) Most people on this continent were totally clueless as to what i was talking about...That's a great indication of the state of our educational institutions. Slippin' it to ya, --g "Fashion is the Bobby Ewing shower scene of life." --Hamish (Of The Parentheses) Simpson ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** Proof that Sid Vicious was really Stu Sutcliffe: * Both...*AHEM*...'played' bass * Both left their bands behind for the women they loved * Both helped to popularize new hairstyles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .