From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #77 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 77 Monday April 21 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Dd you miss the 3/3/97 Cat's Cradle tape tree? no robyn content royal queen albert & beautiful homer visions of johanna Re: sorry-no bonus tracks wanted Cat's Cradle tree URL??? Robyn does Dylan lyrics Matt Valenta, please get in touch. Re: Robyn Gigs Songs I Wish I Had written Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Re: Throwing Muses/Squeeze/Tris McCall Tippy-tippy-tip-tip Brian/Ringo Return of a long lost Feg (little actual RH content) The "complete" bass player? Re: Songs I Wish I Had written Re: The "complete" bass player? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:41:52 -0400 From: Timothy Reed Subject: Dd you miss the 3/3/97 Cat's Cradle tape tree? If you didn't get your name onto the Cat's Cradle tape tree, send me a note and I'll try to get a copy to you. I have an analog 2nd generation tape, and can make other analog tapes. If you can make tape copies, and want to serve as a branch that dupes for others, let me know. That'll get the tape out to everyone faster. Don't contact me if you're on Cory's original tape tree. You'll get your copy from him or one of his branches. I'm looking only for people who missed the original one. I would really like a copy of any NY shows, - please let me know if you have a copy for trade. Once I get an idea of how many people need a copy, I'll get in touch off-line. Tim treed@gun.com ------------------------------ From: "Bayard Catron" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:19:50 +0000 Subject: no robyn content Lord of the Dance commented, > Luna is the most overlookde > band of the decade, and "Strange Days" the most underrated film of > the same decade. the decade's not over yet, but in my mind yes, luna is overlook'd (check out galaxie 500, too!) but _strange days_ should be overlooked-- i think it suffers from its creators being interested in cyberculture but separate from it-- looking on it from far away. i don't know that, but that's how it seemed. something like that could be done so much better. still, it's probably the best of the cybermovies that have come out in the last few years. so what is the formula for a successful film of this type? i donno-- even _johnny mnemonic_ had Gibson helping, and was based on his story (haven't seen or read it.) so i guess the future is stranded in the future. =b lust is not an emotion, it's a failsafe hard-wired in to prevent extinction. some might say love is the same. when technology eliminates the need for human contact, will we forget to perpetuate the species? unhappy thoughts for a sunday, but i need to know! better tell me offlist! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:32:58 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: royal queen albert & beautiful homer thanks to louie, here is the poop on the dylan tribute promo disc: > Here is the track listing: > > Beautiful Queen > It's All Over Now, Baby Blue > Desolation Row > Tell Me > I Don't Believe You > Baby, Let Me Follow You Down > Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues > Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat > One Too Many Mornings > Ballad Of A Thin Man > Like A Rolling Stone > Dignity > > Catalog # is Pro-CD 8725 +w ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:30:43 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: visions of johanna i don't remember if this was posted before or not. someone slap me if it has. the may issue of musician has an article where a bunch of songwriters talk about what they consider to be the greatest song of all time. here's what robyn had to say: >Robyn Hitchcock on "Visions Of Johanna" > >I first heard it thirty years ago. I was probably at school in a >basement, watching the older guys crowd 'round the record player >going, "This is it, man." I loved it simply for the feeling of the >song, and that's why I still love it. It manages to convey so many >contradictory moods. He's doing what he does best, which is kind of >complaining in a very soulful way, but he's doing it with a lot of >exhilaration, and it's like being uplifted and downcast >simultaneously. It's like a candle burning upwards. It doesn't make >any sense, but it does, as if the more the candle burns, the longer it >gets. It's very sad and very funny at the same time, and it's not easy >to convey those feelings simultaneously. +w ------------------------------ From: "The Midnight Fish" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:34:23 -0800 Subject: Re: sorry-no bonus tracks wanted So sayeth Russ Reynolds : > From a collectors standpoint, bonus tracks are very nice to have. > But the impact of the original work of art is lost when the > presentation is altered. > I agree with Russ but must also say that I happen to love Bonus Tracks. I love the fact that Robyn's Rhino and Ryko re-issues were loaded with them. I first heard IODoT on CD and always assumed that the group of songs in the middle were *supposed* to be there. When I bought the vinyl a few months later, I was disappointed to find that "Mellow Together", "Bones In The Ground" and the better version of "My Favourite Buildings" were not included. This is a case of the "bonus" tracks being a "bonus" because they were on CD, not because they were released years later as part of some marketing blitz. The original CD actually included these songs as part of the deal. One example I can think of off the top of my head -- and this is probably not the best example -- is _Welcome To The Pleasuredome_ by Frankie Goes To Hollywood. The CD, LP and Cassette versions of that album were all different from one another. Together, they created one complete song cycle and one complete artistic vision. One could have also bought only one of the formats plus the myriad of 12" singles that accompanied the album and achieved the desired results. All of this was probably done because CDs were new and it was a marketing ploy to entice consumers into shelling out more money than necessary to have a the newest thing. In other words, it was a way to jumpstart the CD as a viable format. "Frankie say 'Buy them all! Collect the set! Trade with your friends!'" > "Don't wanna see no fancy hat on my Mona Lisa" - (me, just now). Another brilliant fegQuote! --g "Fashion is the Bobby Ewing shower scene of life." --Hamish (Of The Parentheses) Simpson ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** Proof that Sid Vicious was really Stu Sutcliffe: * Both...*AHEM*...'played' bass * Both left their bands behind for the women they loved * Both helped to popularize new hairstyles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:34:46 -0500 From: Lobsterman Subject: Cat's Cradle tree URL??? I know Cory posted the URL for his page listing all trees branches etc for his cat's cradle tape tree. I can't seem to find the page at his site. I haven't received a tape or word or anything, and I'm a branch! I don't even know who my leaves are! If you have the URL, or if you are my trunk, please get in touch. Thanks! -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:01:56 -0700 From: HARVEY SPIEGEL Subject: Robyn does Dylan lyrics Hi all, It's a freezing (we had snow!) Sunday afternoon in Toronto, I'm wrapped up in a blanket here in front of the computer. I browsed various Bob Dylan sites and e-mailed myself all the lyrics on the bootleg CD-version of "Rob, Bob, and Albert." If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll e-mail you a copy... Take care all, Randi :-) p.s. For those of you who inquired, (and thanks for the good wishes), I was in the hospital (4 months) having surgery (number 8) for Crohn's Disease, also known as Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD). I don't know if anyone has heard of IBD, but I am writing a book primarily aimed at young women with the disease. If anyone has any friends or any experiences let me know! "Blood is precious Yes or no?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:37:59 -0500 From: Lobsterman Subject: Matt Valenta, please get in touch. I tried to mail you (you are a leaf on my branch of the cat's cradle robyn tree) but the mail got returned. If you around, or if anyone knows his current address, pls get in touch. Ta, have a nice sunday -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "Driving Aloud" was originally called "Driving to Portland." -Robyn Hitchcock \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:50:17 -0400 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Robyn Gigs also sprach Truman Peyote: >I went to Ticketmaster's website and they didn't have an opening "special >guest" listed. Is it the Dear Janes? And are there still going to be >cones? based on a note i received from homer's management at the end of february, i'm guessing that tim keegan will be opening. homer has cleverly not updated their website in a few months though, so there's no confirmation or denial to found there. cones are the wave of the future. +w ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Songs I Wish I Had written If any other fegs feel like writing their version of these... (these are all songs that are in my style, only better...) Songs I Wish I Had Written: Tuesday Afternoon (The Moody Blues) Wonderful (Beach Boys) Mermaid (Viva Saturn) Prisoners (Rain Parade) Heart of You (Viva Saturn) Wind Chimes (Beach Boys) Late Night (Syd Barrett) The Green-Gold Girl of the Summer (Martin Newell) The Lizard (Robyn Hitchcock) Matilda Mother (Pink Floyd) Abegail Anne (Jeremy Enigk) Lizard (Jeremy Enigk) Feel (Syd Barrett) Rainbow Chaser (Nirvana [the real Nirvana, not the modern one with Kurt Cobain]) Almost: (Very good songs, but not *exactly* my style.) Sometimes You Win (John Dunbar) Daily Nightly (The Monkees) X Marks The Spot (Tris McCall) 'Til I Die (The Beach Boys) Sitting By The Riverside (The Kinks) Cold July Rain (James Dignan) Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:54:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written > If any other fegs feel like writing their version of these... > (these are all songs that are in my style, only better...) I'll take the Pepsi Challenge! :) There's tons of 'em. > Songs I Wish I Had Written: Wonderboy (Kinks) A Face in the Crowd (Kinks) Effervescing Elephant (Barrett) Golden Hair (Barrett) Look Through Any Window (Hollies) Pictures of Lilly (Who) Marie Provost (Lowe) Another Girl, Another Planet (The Only Ones) Goodbye Girl (Squeeze) I Keep A Close Watch on This Heart of Mine (Cale) Do the Strand (Roxy) Shake Some Action (Flaming Groovies) This is Airebeat (The Squares) Well Alright (Holly) Transparent Lovers I'm Only You > Almost: (Very good songs, but not *exactly* my style.) Foreign Affair (Waits) Burma Shave (Waits) Visions of Johanna (Dylan) Strict Time (Costello) Substitute (Who) Celluloid Heroes (Kinks) Whole Wide World (Wreckless Eric) Hallelujah (Cohen) Chinese Envoy (Cale) Paris 1919 (Cale) Subterranean Homesick Blues (Dylan) Underwater Moonlight I'm sure I'll think of about 500 more once I send this :). Oh well! Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:06:50 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Subject: Re: Throwing Muses/Squeeze/Tris McCall >Subject: Throwing Muses/Squeeze/Tris McCall > >1) I wanna start a Throwing Muses/Squeeze discography.. >(I have Argybargy and East Side Story)....could anyone give me >reccomendations/summaries of the albums, please? > Throwing Muses have a discography on their web site. It's not complete because it doesn't include the early tapes (before the first album)--but it's a good place to start. The address is: http://www.throwingmusic.com Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:29:57 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Tippy-tippy-tip-tip He sat at the keyboard, with a trout in his designer shirt pocket, jabbing at the keys. "Tippy-tippy-tip" quietly escaped the magical chamber under the blocks on which his highly-trained digits moved, awaiting instruction from his migrained custard concoction we all politely referred to as "Mark's Brain." Dusty, the wild tigermonkey, who owned her own record company, sat hungrily across the room, stretching her mouth to see if Mark's entire head woud fit in it. "Mmmmm, custard," she thought. He considered the debate about Donovan, Brian Wilson, Ray Davies, and Bob Dylan. He retrieved the fish from his pocket that was already making a stain in his designer shirt. He placed it into his teacup and swizzled it around and brought the cup to his face, drinking around the tail and trying with limited success to avoid the dribble glass effect. Donovan- "Cool in his day, but his words did not live well. Perhaps I will investigate some of his newer stuff," the custard in his head was settling down with the ibuprofen and burritos he had ingested. Brian Wilson- "Maybe I'm a little finicky here, but I don't think this one's gonna' knock me over if I keep trying. All of my life I've heard that this guy's a genius. Sorry, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong Brian Wilson." Mark considered that less fractious words have caused the ends of entire civilizations, but as he had already sent the note to the list, he hoped that others would avoid armed conflict with the understanding that the forum was one that encouraged honesty above retribution for errors in religious understandings among the heathen who have hairstyles easily thirty years old. Perhaps they'll only make doo doo out of my spelling. Ray Davies- "The Kinks had more energy than anybody else. This covered up some of their weaker music. I saw a movie that RD made once. His couple of musical contributions were staggeringly great. It made me wonder why he'd hung out with those other guys so long." Just then Mark removed the fish from his teacup and tossed it to the wild tigermonkey at one of the kitchen chairs who caught it in mid air and swallowed it without chewing. Bob Dylan- "This guy has influenced all of my influences," Mark typed. "But except for some of his printed word, he missed me entirely. Out of an almost holy artifact, I have reverence for this being, but wonder if I will ever get to enjoy it." Waking from his trancelike typing state, Mark took another sip of his tea and quickly spat it back into the cup. "Yecch! this tea tastes fishy, and so does my shirt!" He then started typing the rest without pretending it was in third person... Robin Hitchcock is one of just a few acts I really will see over and over and over again, every time he tours, and miss him, and consider going to wherever he is touring if he's ignoring the US west coast. There are a small number of songwriters who can write brilliantly and present with enough power and passion to keep my weird little mind entertained enough to sit through a whole concert. Some of those that can, usually tour with a band anyway. Though anybody can shine in the studio, here's my small list of bands that I'd recomend to others: Stan Ridgway: He creates insanely clever universes and takes stories to their logical conclusions, or makes little snapshots of places. Check his stuff out, save Drywall and Black Diamond for last- they probably aren't as great. Be sure to listen to the work he did with Wall of Voodoo. He's one of my favorites, and probably my biggest lyrical influence. Frank Zappa: Brilliant most of the time. Though he's dead, he's still coming out with about an album a week. Take out a loan and buy all his studio albums (and Live at the Roxy). Then decide which live ones you want. Some of them are great. King Crimson: As it is impossible to wish to play as technically well as any of the members of this band, it is mathematically as reasonable to wish I was the whole band. If you haven't seen these guys live, do it. Also, listen to the recordings. They are the only act I can think of who can put real feeling into something that would easily pass into the realm of math. Wow. Oingo Boingo: The bastids quit. They were great. They were still making great music, but they hung it up. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. That's about it. Marque emaile Flambe must be only moments away. I should change my shirt. It smells like very bad tea. I something you all, -Mark Gloster (The Happy Cap) BTW: Glass Flesh CD's still available. They went up to $15, but I'll throw in something cool from me and some shark things if you buy soon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:44:08 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Subject: Brian/Ringo I wrote: >> A song like "Don't Worry >> Baby" is absolutely brilliant, not just due to it's impressive sonic detail, >> but also because of the lyrics, which draw fairly subtle parallels between >> sex, death and automobiles. It's more interesting than _Crash_ for my money. Susan asks: >Have you read "Crash"? I mean really if you are comparing the lyrics from >"Don't Worry Baby" to the novel by J.G. Ballard called "Crash", I don't >know what to say to that. Are you trying to be provocative or something? >Don't take that as an insult, it's an honest question. I'm sort of >flabbergasted by the whole idea, which is why I ask. I wasn't really trying to be provocative. The two deal with the same issues, sex, death, automobiles, so why not compare them? I've read _Crash_, and I really tried to like it, but I didn't. It's been about four years, so I don't have specific criticisms, other than to say I found it overbearingly pretentious. Sorry to have flabbergasted you. My only real point is that Brian Wulson did more than just _Pet Sounds_ , and an unfinished album that he flaked out while making. A lot of early, or really mid-period, Beach Boys stuff is just as good as _Pet Sounds_ in its own way. I wrote: >> likely to hit my turntable than any other Beatles' solo stuff--at least he >> didn't take himself too seriously. _Ringo_ is one of the albums I brought >> with me to New York, while _Plastic Ono Band_ is sitting in a crate in my >> parent's basement. I'm not denying _POB_'s brilliance--I just never really >> feel like listening to it. > Susan asked: >Well, now I've heard everything! I suppose you think his version of >"You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful, and You're Mine" is a far superior >rendering of an older man's passion for a youngster than "Lolita" :) :) >:). Hmmm. Never thought of it that way. No, actually I like _Lolita_ a lot (both the book & the Kubrick film, although I'm sure I'll be disgusted by the upcoming film version). As for the Ringo thing--well, I never claimed to have good taste, but I get a real kick out of that album. I don't really take him seriously, although the idea of doing so does have a peverse appeal to me. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:42:50 +0200 From: jlaw@mem.unibe.ch (Jeff Lawrence) Subject: Return of a long lost Feg (little actual RH content) Hi, I just rejoined the list after a (seemingly endless) 2 month abscence cause by moving from Canada to Switzerland. Has anything of major import happened with RH or the list whilst I was gone (like he decided to retire and pick up a career in banking perhaps ;-)). And anyone know whether RH is touring round this side of the world (preferably Central Europe but even England or France would do) Anyways, if there was something, please drop me a line so I can get caught up. PS: I finally heard Glass Flesh (THE CD) before I came over - and MAN does it sound good - it's really solid disc - so congrats to everyone involved (now let's hope this CD gets recording contracts for all of us! ;-)) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:17:55 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: WIS@worldnet.att.net, normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: The "complete" bass player? Way back on Fri 18th, Susan graciously suggested: > > Chicagonistas and any other Midwesterners interested going to the > Chicago show- let's make plans again. Maybe even dinner this time > (perhaps reservations under the name Mr. Feg as was done in SF?). Susan, Jay and whoever else is likely to meet up... can at least *one* of you please remember to take a camera? --and don't "do a Bayard" (i.e. don't forget to use it!) :) On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Terry prodded: > ...Vic Wooten is a better bass player than Andy or Matt... Whoah! Hold up there Mr. Marks! Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of Victor Wooten. They guy is the most technically proficient player I know -- and I've seen him do a back-flip in mid song without breaking time! THAT, however, does not make him a better bass player than, say, Charlie Mingus, Robbie Shakespeare, Adam Clayton, Michael Manring or even ....our Andy! The trick is knowing what will be the most effective contribution to the music at any time. If that means holding one note for sixteen bars **and you figure it out**--then you're a brilliant bass player! Sometimes the hardest thing to do is to simplify. (Virtuoso soloing is another thing entirely, of course--but a relatively new aspect to bass playing) *THEN* Kay had the temerity to ask: > Now--0n to important matters. Does anyone know if Robyn is > circumcised? Sheesh, Kay. You're trying to wind me up as well, aren't you?? OK, I'll stop myself switching to "Rant Mode" on the male genital mutilation issue. Anyone with an upcoming happy event is welcome to contact me off list, should they wish a diatribe on the topic. Suffice it to say, this practice is carried on relatively rarely outside the United States (other than for reasons of religious custom). So it is *highly unlikely* that Robyn is circumcised -- unless he's Jewish -- which would be a revelation indeed! (To me, at least) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:56:36 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Songs I Wish I Had written I'll bite too, since I have nothing to do for once Songs I did write (prove that I didnīt): Parklife-Blur Living in a Haunted Heart-XTC We Can Work it Out-Beatles Satellite-RH Do you remember Walter?-Kinks St. Matthew, Love is only Sleeping-Monkees Bitchinī Camaro-Dead Milkmen Little Lighthouse-Dukes of Stratosphear Songs I didnīt write (prove that I did): Funky Junky-Charlie Daniels Rock the Boat-Hues Corportation NoNo Song-Ringo Starr Mama-Spice Girls The Bon Jovi catalog I slept way too much last night, so I am excused from reality. James ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The "complete" bass player? > Whoah! Hold up there Mr. Marks! > Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of Victor Wooten. They guy is > the most technically proficient player I know -- and I've seen him do a > back-flip in mid song without breaking time! THAT, however, does not > make him a better bass player than, say, Charlie Mingus, Robbie > Shakespeare, Adam Clayton, Michael Manring or even ....our Andy! > The trick is knowing what will be the most effective contribution to the > music at any time. If that means holding one note for sixteen bars **and > you figure it out**--then you're a brilliant bass player! Sometimes the > hardest thing to do is to simplify. (Virtuoso soloing is another thing > entirely, of course--but a relatively new aspect to bass playing) Well... 1) Mr. Wooten can do a back-flip and keep time 2) Andy has trouble with "Uncorrected Personality Traits", with or without backflips. I'm sorry, but while Andy's bass work goes with the music, Vic's work goes with the music and is much more technically proficient. Bob Dylan's singing and guitar playing work quite well with his material, but you'd be hard-pressed to argue that he's better at it than, say, Yes. I'm not saying that Andy and Bob are bad at what they do. QUite the opposite. But, I'd wager that Vic could play any of Andy's parts. I think that Andy would have to practice for a few days for Vic's songs. And Bob could not play something off of Yessongs properly. (Though it would be cool if he covered Perpetual Change) (Note: Again, this is not a slam on Andy or Matt. The Lizard, Kingdom of Love, Raymond Chandler Evening, Underwater Moonlight and The Leopard are all outstanding bass parts.) ps. Could someone explain this "Good Times" hoax thing? I keep hearing about it, but I never heard it. pss. Burger King is now using Squeeze in their commercials. That's enough to make me eat there again...(they used the Seminoles in their commercials...in Gainesville...) Terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .