From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #75 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 75 Saturday April 19 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Clearing up the air... entering the Eye-PI debate chwech ac deg! Explanation Live in Years Pop culture Press #40 Pop Culture Press #40 Re: Pop culture Press #40 gotta get this scratch out ALBUM COVERS Red Rose Speedway THERAPY Re: Red Rose Speedway On Wings of Perspex... Lighbulb Head Re: Red Rose Speedway Re: Red Rose Speedway Robyn Gigs what are you eating right now? BEATLES House of Bugs fwd: Robyn Gigs Re: Robyn Gigs Re: BEATLES Re: On Wings of Perspex... Re: your mail Paul Re: Truth and Beauty and other quarks Re: size doesn't matter sorry-no bonus tracks wanted Re: size doesn't matter Attention Chicago Fegs! (lots of Midwest related Robyn content!) rec.arts.anime.* Re: what are you eating right now? Re: your mail Re: On Wings of Perspex... Re: what are you eating right now? Re: BEATLES Re: size doesn't matter Re: BEATLES Re: BEATLES Re: Don't Stand ... Re: size doesn't matter Re: Nudity, Strong language, and Adult RH Content Re: On Wings of Perspex... Re: BEATLES [not ;}] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:23:23 -0600 From: meponder@bosco.meis.uab.edu (Mark Ponder) Subject: Clearing up the air... Re: When Susan and Russ wear out their copies of Eye, they can trade their >pristine copies of PI for the rarely played Eye's which Mark Ponder and >I have. Oh, Lord...How did I get into this? Ok; First off (and no offense, Nick), I am going on the record with the following: Favorite albums (RH) Eye IODoT UM EoL Kershaw Sessions **GD and ME are both hovering just below this; see my previous revision of GD's status** Least Favorite: PI Respect Invisible Hitchcock (here only because of the mangled "Buildings" CoB If anyone gives a damn, I'll be happy to give my reasons for the listings; I'm not trying to take a side here, but I want to keep what miniscule reputation I have intact. While I have gone through several copies of PI, it still is not one of my favourites. I listened to it a lot when it came out, and it's the only one my non-Feg friends will allow in the car. *sigh* The tribulations we go through for our friends... Regarding "Buildings": I think the song is definite remembrance of now-gone buildings. I've always thought it fit hand-in-glove with "Trams of Old London". BTW, I recently received my Glass Flesh...mega-ditto's :-) please, no flames for the Limbaugh rip-off...I much prefer G. Gordan Liddy. Mark Ponder If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit; no use being a fool about it. --Anonymous ***check out my web page...*** No pics, etc., just basic vital info everyone needs to know (about me, of course).*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:56:42 -0400 From: wpb9826@is2.nyu.edu (Pete Bilderback) Hedblade@aol.com writes: >if you just want to go by >volume of material and consistancy, Wilson DOES have a background of silly >surf songs, the period of total brilliance in his career is fairly short, and >what has he done as of late? I have to take issue with this. While I would be the last person to claim that everything Brian ever did was brilliant, it's not fair to slag his "silly surf" songs. In fact, one could argue that it's the period before _Pet Sounds_ in which Brian produced his best work. A song like "Don't Worry Baby" is absolutely brilliant, not just due to it's impressive sonic detail, but also because of the lyrics, which draw fairly subtle parallels between sex, death and automobiles. It's more interesting than _Crash_ for my money. A lot of his pre-Pet Sounds stuff has a darker undercurrent when you listen to it closely. But I think that's really beside the point anyway--I don't think something has to have a "darker side" to be brilliant. The cult of Brian is pretty much based around _Pet Sounds_ and the aborted _Smile_ project, which are rightly admired, but too often fetishized for their "influence" on other people, from the Beatles down to the guy from the High Llamas. As for what has he done of late--Well, what does it matter? What has Lennon done of late? More than Bob Dylan I suppose. Dan Troy writes: >Regarding the Beatles. As measured by solo output, I might have to put >Ringo first. He was the least annoying and pretentious of the bunch. Fuck yeah! I'd rather listen to "Photograph" than "Mother" anyday. A lot of John's work with the Beatles was great, and _Plastic Ono Band_ works as a kind of emancipatory statement, but on-the-whole John's solo career is pretty weak, and at times down-right unlistenable. Ringo's stuff is more likely to hit my turntable than any other Beatles' solo stuff--at least he didn't take himself too seriously. _Ringo_ is one of the albums I brought with me to New York, while _Plastic Ono Band_ is sitting in a crate in my parent's basement. I'm not denying _POB_'s brilliance--I just never really feel like listening to it. expecting to be flamed, Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:26:13 -0700 From: HARVEY SPIEGEL Subject: entering the Eye-PI debate Hi again from Randi... ...as I too enter the great Eye-PI debate. I think the comparison is tainted by production values. PI has good songs, great lyrics, but I find the production too lush, too thick, and often too busy. Perhaps Paul Fox was trying to be hip to both the music and the time period, when I think he could (should!) have been more faithful to the songs. Or maybe he just got overzealous in his interpretation of Robyn's music. Had some of the songs been recorded more sparsly, maybe PI would be more listenable to those fegs who stand by Eye. I must say I really need to be in the mood for PI...and I find the songs - as recorded for the Kershaw sessions - Birds in Perspex, Oceanside, and So You Think Your In Love - infinitely more listenable. I recorded Robyn and the Egyptians' various appearances on Toronto radio and TV during the PI tour, and all songs were done with brushsticks, (sometimes a drum, sometimes a suitcase) and guitar. Just the way I like my Robyn. The truth is I love the simple and clean production of Eye...along with live off the floor takes and solo Robyn interpretations. It brings me right into the songs. The exact place I want to be. IMHO, Randi "All I want to look for is a place Where I can see reflections of that face" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:48:45 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: chwech ac deg! "The Midnight Fish" sed: >> >"In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - >> >there are Consequences." >> > --R. G. Ingersoll, 1833 - 1899 lead me in with a count of seventeen.... ac ysgrifennodd David Librik: >A RANT ON GORKY'S ZYGOTIC MYNCI, WITH SOME MUSING ROBYN CONTENT excellent! I'll have to have a hunt for some. Any other Welsh bands you can recommend? James "white over green, with a red dragon - haha, fooled you, it's Ljubljana!" James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:30:12 -0600 From: meponder@bosco.meis.uab.edu (Mark Ponder) Subject: Explanation >mark-- > >you wore out a cd? how? i thought that was impossible (they say the >laser wears the surface no more than your eyes do on a book. maybe >they're just being poetic.) > And also: >BTW given that there is no actual physical contact, how many plays does >it take to wear out a CD anyway? Comments, Mr. Ponder? God, if only I had known what I was getting into with that phrase... I was basically taking "poetic license" with the term. Essentially, I was shifting the CD between the car and my desktop stereo; over time, it became scratched, etc. from the wear and tear and became unplayable. I used the phrase "wore out" simply because it carries the same basic connotation as it would with a tape; i.e. through frequent use it became unlistenable. My "Gotta Let This Hen Out" is rapidly approaching the same shape. Sorry for the misunderstanding/confusion/perplexity/overuse of analogy/etc., etc., etc. Oh, to be able to rephrase the past. Mark Ponder "In a minute there is time/For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." --T.S.E. "Lovesong of J.A.P." *truer words have never been spoken.* ------------------------------ From: bootlegs@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:12:04 -0700 Subject: Live in Years I've got an extra copy of the Yip Song CD single that has the B-sides Bright Fresh Flower and the Live In Years. Does this interest anyone? I'm not looking for cash. I'd rather trade for a live show. Peter ------------------------------ From: bootlegs@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:39:07 -0700 Subject: Pop culture Press #40 I got this response from Pop Culture Press yesterday. Peter > Hi > > yes, we have some of #40 left. Send me $5 check or mo payable to Pop > Culture Press and I'll get ya one. Thanks > > > Luann Williams > PO Box 150423 > Austin, TX 78715-0423 > ------------------------------ From: bootlegs@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:43:03 -0700 Subject: Pop Culture Press #40 popcult@flash.net This is Luann's E-mail in case you wanted to make sure they still had some of #40 before you sent in a check. Peter ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:43:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Pop culture Press #40 On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 bootlegs@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I got this response from Pop Culture Press yesterday. > > Peter > > > > Hi > > > > yes, we have some of #40 left. Send me $5 check or mo payable to Pop > > Culture Press and I'll get ya one. Thanks > > > > Does anyone know if this includes the CD for sure? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: gotta get this scratch out mr ponder et al: there is a simple home remedy you can use to fix lightly scratched cd's. take them in the bathroom and brush them gently with toothpaste in a circular motion. it works, no kidding. when you're done, put the cd on and sculpt a statue while looking at pictures of buildings. obRob: i'm careless with all my cd's and the first one to get scratched was my then-favorite _EoL_. I fixed it using the method described above. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 09:51:58 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: ALBUM COVERS >And his cover painting RULES!! how about that? i'm not sure which album cover is my favorite, but the cover of ELEMENT OF LIGHT called out to me back when i didn't even know who the hell he was. he looked strangely familiar and rather tweaked. i bought it after seeing it several times. now i'm obsessed. i also am very partial to the covers of PERSPEX ISLAND and the aeroplane version of UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT. KEN ------------------------------ From: hollie_satterfield@mail.amsinc.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 10:55:30 EST Subject: Red Rose Speedway "Daniel J. Troy" exclaimed: >Paul is, of course, melodically gifted but almost 100% content >free in his writing. Who wants to listen to Red Rose Speedway? Coincidentally, Red Rose Speedway is the only Paul McCartney CD I own. This is largely due to the bonus tracks "I Lie Around" and "Country Dreamer", which are easily the best songs on the album, as well as being fondly remembered b-sides from my wasted youth. (I collected all the McCartney solo LPs/8-tracks in high school up through the quintessentially worthless Tug of War/Pipes of Peace, at which point I had to surrender.) "Some people think I'm a whacked out proto-druggie." - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 10:37:46 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: THERAPY i have to say first off that i love ALL of his albums. i am obsessive. for me music is therapy. instead of me spilling my guts sit on the couch and let dr. robyn commit hari kari. thankfully there are different albums for all of my different moods. RESPECT is often a quiet contemplative album. PERSPEX ISLAND is motivational. EYE is harder to pin down. there are so many mood swings on the album that it doesn't satisfy any one emotional need, rather takes me on a cathartic rollercoaster ride. it is my favorite of his albums, though admittedly, that doesn't mean much. the whole PERSPEX<->EYE thing has been done to death numerous times on this list, but i think it's healthy. it doesn't change though. over-production contrasted with the sparse one-man-show. yadda yadda yadda. it all just makes me wanna pull a 'clockwork orange' and make the people who don't like one album or another listen to it until they are rehabilitated. KEN "i'm looking for diversions that could sew me up for good" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:21:55 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Red Rose Speedway On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 hollie_satterfield@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > >Paul is, of course, melodically gifted but almost 100% content > >free in his writing. Who wants to listen to Red Rose Speedway? > > (I collected all the McCartney solo LPs/8-tracks in high school up > through the quintessentially worthless Tug of War/Pipes of Peace, > at which point I had to surrender.) Strangely enough, I did too. I never had Wild Life, but I had averything else. I really like "Single Pigeon" and "The Mess" on RRS. Kinda like Tug of War, tho. That was the first album to be called "his best since īBand on the Runī" Now, it is every album Paul does that is called that. Maybe the new one will actually be as good as "Band on the Run". James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:49:16 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: On Wings of Perspex... Far be it from me to prolong this debate, classic though it is. However I do have a couple more chopped vegetables to chuck into the bubbling cauldron of opinion... On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 Brother Hamish illuminated: > In an attempt to start a new thread, a thought struck me on the > stripped down/popped up debate. It seems that most of the people > who dig "Eye" first and "PI" later are guitarists and mostly of > the "solo acoustic" type. An interesting idea. Although I do play guitar, I'm primarily a bass player -- hardly a solo instrument, of course,--so I'm used to playing with others and I'm particularly aware of the interplay between musicians. I also tend to pick up on the structure and "groove" of a song first and the lyrics follow afterwards. (Gut first, brain later). That's not to say that I don't appreciate the subtleties of work like Eye. It's just that when my hand wavers over the old CD collection to pick one for the changer, I find myself choosing PI, Respect, or UM most often. It's not even to say I think PI is a *better* album - I just like to listen to it more. Does that make any sense? Another idea: Your situation in life--age, experiences and so on, is probably a big factor in where you stand on the Eye/PI spectrum. (I don't see too many angst-ridden teens on the list, for example) When I read the deep analysis by the Peyote/Quail axis (eloquent and erudite indeed!) I realize that now I'm older (but still younger than Robyn, HA!) and more, well, "settled", I tend not to identify as much as I used to with the "flawed beauty", more introspective school. Maybe I'm just backwards here (I just discovered "techno-trance"--what can I say?). For what it's worth, even the "solo acoustic only" performers I admire (and any songwriters among you who are not huge fans of Ani Difranco must have several important internal body parts missing, IMHO)--have that shoot-first-ask-questions-later quality. As far as the Lennon/McCartney question goes; I always thought Macca was the one with the pop-sensibility and Lennon the one with the emotional depth and twists of perspective that allowed the Beatles music to transcend the abilities of any one individual. I never got too much out of any of the post-Beatles solo work--though I did quite enjoy some of the early Wings stuff. What Hitchcock manages to do is to embody both these attributes in one person: the pop sensibility to craft those three minute gems (when he wants to), tempered by an emotional depth and off-the-wall point of view to take the material out of the ordinary and into the extraordinary. ~N On another topic entirely: Don't suppose anyone has tabs, charts, chords, lyrics etc. for "Sandra's having Her Brain Out"?? (Off COB) ...wouldn't want to reinvent the wheel or anything. ------------------------------ Subject: Lighbulb Head Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 12:12:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Hey fegs, Someone just forwarded this tome, thought you may enjoy it. I might add: 3 to argue whether Brian Wilson or Bob Dylan wrote the best songs about lightbulbs. -tc ---------------------------------------------- Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts -are- relevant to this mail list 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversey 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:20:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Red Rose Speedway I'm sorry about this because it's completely off track and irrelevant and I hate threads that are irrelevant, but no one is allowed to bash Paul like this...! _Tug of War_ may not be the altogether greatest album ever, but "Here Today" is one of sweetest, most heartfelt tributes I have ever heard or read and I have a PhD in English, which means I've read A LOT! There are other good songs there, too. Pipes of Peace has a few good tracks but it was mostly done for fun. Flowers in the Dirt is full of great, great lyrics. Press to Play is the only one I don't especially care for. And even when his lyrics are fabulous, his melodies usually are. He's been writing songs for almost 40 years--who else can say that? He's bound to have good and bad, great and awful. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:16:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Red Rose Speedway I still like Ram sizably more than any other McCartney/Wings album. I always wonder why it isn't more commonly acknowledged as his best post-Beatles work, fluffy though the lyrics may be. So many of his '70s records have such horribly dated production (INCLUDING Band on the Run). All bass and no guitar, those treated vocals, all the horns...blecch. I bought Venus & Mars for a quarter a few months back, thinking maybe I missed something the first time, and nope...back to the used bin. Not really looking forward to Flaming Pie, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:45:37 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Robyn Gigs Grant noted: > >It's confirmed. Ticketmaster has the following shows listed: > >ROBYN HITCHCOCK: 21-MAY-97, CHICAGO, IL Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 AM. He's at the House of Blues. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:11:41 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: what are you eating right now? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 16:15:16 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: BEATLES _all things must pass_ is a good album. hell, a good three albums. i get a bit tired of george and his metaphysical meanderings, but there's plenty of really cool stuff here. i really only pull it out these days to listen to the last record; the long jam sessions like 'i remember jeep' and 'thanks for the pepperoni'. john is the man. my theory is that people who don't think so either don't like his raspy voice, are christians, or else are turned off by overly successful artists. whatever the case, his solo work, while not necessarily as commercially successful as paulie's, is the most satisfying. from the primal scream banshee howl of _plastic ono band_ to the bluesy power pop of _imagine_ to the mixed (some of yoko's stuff is suprisingly good) blessing of _double fantasy_, john lennon is rock and roll's meat and potatoes. sometimes it's not done the way you like it, but it's always a good feed. >> >Paul is, of course, melodically gifted but almost 100% content >> >free in his writing. Who wants to listen to Red Rose Speedway? >> >> (I collected all the McCartney solo LPs/8-tracks in high school up >> through the quintessentially worthless Tug of War/Pipes of Peace, >> at which point I had to surrender.) i went one better to _flowers in the dirt_, which, after _press to play_, was his best album since _tug of war_. i was a huge paul fan through high school. he was my favorite beatle until i decided to get _plastic ono band_. yowsah! paulie hasn't put out all that much crap, though when he's bad he's really bad. even the worst of his albums have some saving grace of a single, but a few of his albums (that's right, the whole thingie) are swell. _band on the run_ and _tug of war_ were already mentioned (and ARE good), but _venus and mars_ , _wings over america_ and, my personal favorite, _ram_ are also very good. _ram_ sounds more like the beatles than any other beatles solo release. no lie. no one can crank out a decent single like he can. check out any of the "hits" packages. of course, what's he up to now? did anyone happen to hear the _liverpool oratorio_? me neither. hey! ringo's touring this summer! ************************************* Ken Ostrander Educational Services Sloan School of Management Massachusetts Institute of Technology 50 Memorial Drive, E52-101 Cambridge, MA 02142-1347 Phone: (617)258-8016 Fax: (617)258-9181 E-mail: kenster@mit.edu ************************************* ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 16:24:20 Subject: House of Bugs So if he's playing at the House of Blues what are the odds that he'll either show up on the syndicated show opening for someone like the Cardigans or meet up with Ackroid and win a bit spot in the new Blues Brothers movie? Cheers Jay --- On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:45:37 -0600 Michael Brage wrote: >Grant noted: >> >>It's confirmed. Ticketmaster has the following shows listed: >> >>ROBYN HITCHCOCK: 21-MAY-97, CHICAGO, IL > >Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 AM. He's at the House of Blues. > >Michael > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 4/18/97 Spectacle is not reality ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 14:54:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Robyn Gigs ======== Original Message ======== Grant noted: > >It's confirmed. Ticketmaster has the following shows listed: > >ROBYN HITCHCOCK: 21-MAY-97, CHICAGO, IL Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 AM. He's at the House of Blues. Michael ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Hey--save this kind of stuff for the Robyn Hitchcock list. This is a Beatles list, pal! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:01:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Robyn Gigs > >ROBYN HITCHCOCK: 21-MAY-97, CHICAGO, IL > > Tickets on sale tomorrow at 10 AM. He's at the House of Blues. > > Michael I noticed. Yuck. Oh well. At least it's easy to get to via public transit. I went to Ticketmaster's website and they didn't have an opening "special guest" listed. Is it the Dear Janes? And are there still going to be cones? Chicagonistas and any other Midwesterners interested going to the Chicago show- let's make plans again. Maybe even dinner this time (perhaps reservations under the name Mr. Feg as was done in SF?). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:02:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: BEATLES > _all things must pass_ is a good album. hell, a good three albums. >i get a bit tired of george and his metaphysical meanderings, but there's >plenty of really cool stuff here. i really only pull it out these days to >listen to the last record; the long jam sessions like 'i remember jeep' and >'thanks for the pepperoni'. But what about that lost masterpiece, "It's Johnny's Birthday?" ROCK & ROLL!!!! ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:35:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: On Wings of Perspex... On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Nick Winkworth wrote: > Far be it from me to prolong this debate, classic though it is. However > I do have a couple more chopped vegetables to chuck into the bubbling > cauldron of opinion... Double, double, toil and trouble, cauldron burn and cauldron bubble! (anyone else here seen Polanski's "Macbeth"? It's........interesting.) > musicians. I also tend to pick up on the structure and "groove" of a > song first and the lyrics follow afterwards. (Gut first, brain later). You don't hear lyrics that way? I kind of do. I tend to get a feel for the lyrical sweep and the overall sort of pattern and sound of the words sometimes even before I really notice the music. > often. It's not even to say I think PI is a *better* album - I just like > to listen to it more. Does that make any sense? Actually, it does. I like listening to a lot of things that I don't necessarily think are -better- than other things I don't listen to as often. If you judged by volume of play in my house you might think I preferred Adam Ant's "Friend or Foe" album to "Plastic Ono Band" and "Blood on the Tracks". This is of course far from being the case. But Mr. (ahem) Ant's album is a lot easier to take emotionally (I'd say the camp quotient is quite a bit higher than the emotional one :)) and it has a good beat and you can dance to it :). You can also ignore it if you want to (i.e., do the dishes and such) without feeling guilty about doing so. I like ear candy every so often myself. I'm not -always- sitting in my basement listening to "Eye" with nothing but candles for light, pining away in sorrow! :) > Another idea: Your situation in life--age, experiences and so on, is > probably a big factor in where you stand on the Eye/PI spectrum. (I > don't see too many angst-ridden teens on the list, for example) Are there any? Stand up and be counted! :) Which reminds me, we haven't done a feg demographics in awhile. > When I > read the deep analysis by the Peyote/Quail axis (eloquent and erudite > indeed!) 'Sank you! > I realize that now I'm older (but still younger than Robyn, > HA!) and more, well, "settled", I tend not to identify as much as I used > to with the "flawed beauty", more introspective school. That could very well be what's behind it. I guess I'll find out later on :). > What Hitchcock manages to do is to embody both these attributes in one > person: the pop sensibility to craft those three minute gems (when he > wants to), tempered by an emotional depth and off-the-wall point of view > to take the material out of the ordinary and into the extraordinary. Amen, brother! Can I get a witness? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:16:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: your mail > _Pet Sounds_ in which Brian produced his best work. A song like "Don't Worry > Baby" is absolutely brilliant, not just due to it's impressive sonic detail, > but also because of the lyrics, which draw fairly subtle parallels between > sex, death and automobiles. It's more interesting than _Crash_ for my money. Have you read "Crash"? I mean really if you are comparing the lyrics from "Don't Worry Baby" to the novel by J.G. Ballard called "Crash", I don't know what to say to that. Are you trying to be provocative or something? Don't take that as an insult, it's an honest question. I'm sort of flabbergasted by the whole idea, which is why I ask. > Llamas. As for what has he done of late--Well, what does it matter? What has > Lennon done of late? More than Bob Dylan I suppose. Bob Dylan's actually done a couple of very fine folk albums. His best work in years. Mister Lennon, he dead. So I suppose it's not as if he can do much unless Yoko decides to try to channel him or something. > likely to hit my turntable than any other Beatles' solo stuff--at least he > didn't take himself too seriously. _Ringo_ is one of the albums I brought > with me to New York, while _Plastic Ono Band_ is sitting in a crate in my > parent's basement. I'm not denying _POB_'s brilliance--I just never really > feel like listening to it. Well, now I've heard everything! I suppose you think his version of "You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful, and You're Mine" is a far superior rendering of an older man's passion for a youngster than "Lolita" :) :) :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:58:03 -0400 Subject: Paul This has to stop--I promise I won't post any more about this after I'm done here. Paul has a new album coming out in a month or so. I heard a good part of the Oratorio and it wasn't bad. I just dislike opera in English unless it's Gilbert and Sullivan. Marcy ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Truth and Beauty and other quarks << > Barret's "The Madcap Laughs" belongs here too, but I feel that much of > its power comes from our own sense of paralysis, helplessness - watching > (or hearing) another's decent into a less sane environment, sending back > postcards that get progressively more difficult to understand. . . . So I > would place Barret in a very different area than these artists. I like that "sending back postcards" metaphor. That also really describes pretty well how I feel about Barrett in general. >> I related to this as well. It struck a chord, if you will. It also could be used to describe some folk's fascination with Barrett in that the mystery of the "postcards" we get from him makes us want to know more. The more cryptic it becomes (i.e. the more he slips away), the more we want information. Just a thought. Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: size doesn't matter << But why leave off three excellent songs? (I'm speaking of: "Live-In Years", "Alright, Yeah" and "Bright Fresh Flower"). One last thing... what's so wrong with bonus tracks? What would EoL be with out "The Black Crow Knows", or Feg! without "Some Body", or UM without "Vegetable Man" and "Only the Stones Remain" or IH without "Dr. Sticky" or BSDR without "It Was the Night"...? >> Right with Jim on these points as well. I hope I don't sound like the fence sitter here, but when I was making my point about "negative" space on CD's, I was mostly talking about the trend in music marketing to make sure there are at least 15 cuts per disc these days. If you stop and think about it, most bands are in the habit of making DOUBLE ALBUMS these days- a practice I'd just soon see the end of. Even my beloved XTC have suffered from this habit of "filling up the space" via albums such as Nonsuch. Imagine if you will that the invention of the Compact Disc was a trend in the art field that suddenly had every artist painting on huge canvases. After a while, you don't mind looking at a perfect, tiny Van Gogh, do you? In fact, you might just find it has more to say to you than the football field size Lichtenstein hanging on the wall behind you. In short, I don't feel cheated if a 30 minute disc rocks my ass off from start to finish. :) Ask yourselves this question- How long is Revolver? Do you really need any more from it? It's perfect (OK- the addition of the two period singles "Paperback Writer" and "Rain" would make it better, but... :) ). It becomes even more apparent when you consider the fact that The Beatles made longer records than anyone in rock at the time! The point is, quality not quantity, and these days the average release is very much focused on the latter. In Robyn's case (I should have been more specific) the bonus tracks ARE just that- BONUS, and not part of the original release. When viewed as a little extra addition, you listen to them with the knowledge that he wasn't just trying to fill up a CD. Follow? I'd argue that Underwater Moonlight is just fine without the bonus tracks- a great album on its own. Am I glad we've got "Only The Stones Remain" on there? HELL YEAH! With that addition alone the record becomes a "classic." Without it, however, it is still AT LEAST "brilliant." Blinking On And Off, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 17:53:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: sorry-no bonus tracks wanted > One last thing... what's so wrong with bonus tracks? What would EoL be >with out "The Black Crow Knows", or Feg! without "Some Body", or UM without >"Vegetable Man" and "Only the Stones Remain" or IH without "Dr. Sticky" or >BSDR without "It Was the Night"...? >> they'd be exactly what they were originally intended to be. >"Only The Stones Remain" on there? HELL YEAH! With that addition alone >the >record becomes a "classic." Without it, however, it is still AT LEAST >"brilliant." I disagree. UM already WAS a classic, years before it came out on CD. Now it's a classic with bonus tracks. The bonus tracks, however good they might be, dilute the impact of the original album. You poor souls who never had the vinyl will never know how it felt to hear that last chord of "Underwater Moonlight" fade into oblivion, think for a moment about the flury of brilliance you've just heard, the music in your head overpowering the silence of the room...and then get up, flip the record over and do it all again. You can program your CD's to play only the original tracks, but it won't sound right to you because it's already been spoiled. >From a collectors standpoint, bonus tracks are very nice to have. But the impact of the original work of art is lost when the presentation is altered. "Don't wanna see no fancy hat on my Mona Lisa" - (me, just now). -russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:58:13 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: size doesn't matter >Ask yourselves this question- How long is Revolver? Do you really need any >more from it? It's perfect (OK- the addition of the two period singles >"Paperback Writer" and "Rain" would make it better, but... :) ). It becomes >even more apparent when you consider the fact that The Beatles made longer >records than anyone in rock at the time! I dunno...weren't the Stones records longer? I mean, I have an import version of Aftermath that's over *50* minutes.... Eb ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Attention Chicago Fegs! (lots of Midwest related Robyn content!) Hey Chicago / Midwest Fegs, Do me a favor and post OFF LIST to me directly if you're going to go to the House Of Blues show on May 21st. I know Susan was up for a bit of a get together, but I'm interested for a different reason. Let me know by THIS MONDAY no later then 12 PM. I've gotta have this now! Sincerely, Jay Hedblade ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rec.arts.anime.* I remember hearing something about some feg on some anime newsgroup... any other anime fans here? (Note: "My Neighbor, Totoro" and any of the Unico films are both quite good and Robyn-styled..) Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy Remember-Jesus is your friend. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:50:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: what are you eating right now? On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, lj lindhurst wrote: weird question, but it is appropriate. Pasta, frozen (although thawed) uncooked spinach and balsamic vindgar. My specialty. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: your mail > Well, now I've heard everything! I suppose you think his version of > "You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful, and You're Mine" is a far superior > rendering of an older man's passion for a youngster than "Lolita" :) :) > :). Yeah, but I still say that The Police's "Don't Stand So Close To Me" is better than either...(I listened to that song this weekend as was majorly impressed by it...it's easily the best that The Police ever did, IMHO) Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:21:09 -0500 (CDT) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: On Wings of Perspex... Just in case this is democratic, I agree with Nick on this one. Andy ------------------------------ From: "The Midnight Fish" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:39:47 -0800 Subject: Re: what are you eating right now? So asketh lj lindhurst : If you must know, I am eating French Bread and complementing that with Downtown Brown Ale from North Coast Brewing Co. in Eureka, CA (it alone is reason enough to live in Northern California). Yes -- Beer *IS* a food, --g "Fashion is the Bobby Ewing shower scene of life." --Hamish (Of The Parentheses) Simpson Glen's album of the day (4/18/97): Tori Amos -- _Little Earthquakes_ (Atlantic Records, 1991) 10 bonus points if you can tell me why I picked *THAT* album *TODAY*... ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** ------------------------------ From: "The Midnight Fish" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:39:44 -0800 Subject: Re: BEATLES CC: Da Reverend Cliffy Before I proceed, may I warn the sensitive amongst you that there is no RH content in this post. However, if you are one of the people who try to figure out the meaning of every freakin' Beatles' lyric or believe that "Paul Is Dead" , you might be able to read something Robynesque into this. So sayeth Ken Ostrander : > i went one better to _flowers in the dirt_, which, after > _press to play_, was his best album since _tug of war_. Huh?!? _Press To Play_??? Did we hear the same album??? I have a friend who always called it _Press To Eject_. > i was a huge paul fan > through high school. he was my favorite beatle until i decided to > get _plastic ono band_. yowsah! > I wasn't a John fan until I saw the movie "Imagine" and realized what went on in his life and what influenced a lot of the songs he wrote. Of course I read all the books by Shotten and Goldman and Peter Brown, but I always did so with a few grains of salt handy. The movie inspired me to really seek out John things and listen to John's contributions to the Beatles. He has since become my third favourite Beatle after Stu and Dennis ;) > paulie hasn't put out all that much crap, though > when he's bad he's really bad. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ May I refer you to the aforementioned _Press To Eject_ album? And to his recent debacle recorded under the name 'The Fireman'? In that case, empty space on the CD would have been a *GOOD* thing. > even the worst of his albums have some saving > grace of a single, but a few of his albums (that's right, the whole > thingie) are swell. _band on the run_ and _tug of war_ were already > mentioned (and ARE good), but _venus and mars_ , _wings over > america_ and, my personal favorite, _ram_ are also very good. _ram_ > sounds more like the beatles than any other beatles solo release. > no lie. How come no one has mentioned _London Town_ and _Back To The Egg_? Two of his better albums, IMHO. I also like the quirky, backroom, 'tossed-it-off-one-weekend' feel of _McCartney II_. "Temporary Secretary" remains one of my favourites of the "Macca Opus" > no one can crank out a decent single like he can. Oh yeah -- who could forget classics such as "Spies Like Us" and "Rudolph The Reggae Reindeer?" ;) > check out any of the "hits" packages. Unfortunately, none of them contain "Once Upon A Long Ago". > did anyone happen to hear the _liverpool oratorio_? me neither. Not great, not terrible, just... Please insert a larger than life ;) anywhere you deem necessary within this message. *I* am the walrus, damn it, --g "Fashion is the Bobby Ewing shower scene of life." --Hamish (Of The Parentheses) Simpson Glen's album of the day (4/18/97): Tori Amos -- _Little Earthquakes_ (Atlantic Records, 1991) 10 bonus points if you can tell me why I picked *THAT* album *TODAY*... ********************** Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:22:24 -0700 From: librik@netcom.com (David Librik) Subject: Re: size doesn't matter Sgrifennodd Jay Hedblade: > I'd argue that Underwater Moonlight is just >fine without the bonus tracks- a great album on its own. Am I glad we've got >"Only The Stones Remain" on there? HELL YEAH! With that addition alone the >record becomes a "classic." Without it, however, it is still AT LEAST >"brilliant." Normally I agree with every syllable that drips from this man's lips, but I have to disagree strongly here. The CD copy of UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT that I have (Moist 1 CD, Glass Fish) lists 18 songs on the album: the classic ten plus eight outtakes, B-sides, and extra tracks from ONLY THE STONES REMAIN. Nowhere on the CD packaging is it indicated that the first 10 tracks are UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT and the rest are "bonus tracks." And if you don't know anything about the original LP songs, what's your impression? As one person wrote a while ago on rec.music.misc: "I don't see why this album has been so highly praised. It starts off well, but the second half has too many unexceptional songs (that cover of "Vegetable Man," for instance, or the long, long "Where Are The Prawns")." And I thought about it, and realized he's right. If I was introducing someone to the glory of the Soft Boys, I'd give them this CD, but I'd tell them to program out all but the original 10 tracks for the first few listening experiences. I realize I'm sounding like a back-seat engineer here, but I definitely woulda written BONUS TRACKS: after the song "Underwater Moonlight," and stuck a ten-second gap on the CD. I suspect that Robyn Hitchcock and the Soft Boys saw it as a bunch of random tracks, however, since they shuffled things around for different releases of the LP; the fact that UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT works as a brilliant coherent album is unintentional! - David Librik librik@cs.Berkeley.edu (obvious line about appending MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR to SGT. PEPPER excised) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:17:31 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: BEATLES Let's keep the fire going. On the Paul front, 2 questions: Is there any other artist more in need of the boxed set treatment? Well, okay, Neil Young. And the Kinks. But besides that? And, has anyone ever heard "Boil Crisis"? Paul does have a sense of humor, and a quite bizarre one. Robyn didn't get that from John. James ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:24:21 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: BEATLES > So sayeth Ken Ostrander : > How come no one has mentioned _London Town_ and _Back To The Egg_? > Two of his better albums, IMHO. I also like the quirky, backroom, > 'tossed-it-off-one-weekend' feel of _McCartney II_. "Temporary > Secretary" remains one of my favourites of the "Macca Opus" I like those 3. "Arrow Through Me" is a gem. > Unfortunately, none of them contain "Once Upon A Long Ago". My copy of "All the Best" does. > *I* am the walrus, damn it, > --g I thought the Dead Milkmen said that. James ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Sat, 19 Apr 97 9:33:11 EDT Subject: Re: Don't Stand ... > > Yeah, but I still say that The Police's "Don't Stand So Close To Me" is > better than either...(I listened to that song this weekend as was majorly > impressed by it...it's easily the best that The Police ever did, IMHO) > > Terry Sting's speaking from firsthand experience. He was once employed as a schoolteacher. Other stuff: Hamish and I are both fond of QE. The fretless bass featured so prominently in the mix is a major factor for me. While I like many of the songs in Eye and have defended it in this list before, some of the cuts make me a bit mad that RH didn't put just a bit more work into them. They could still have been spare, without the feeling of having been dashed off and left. It reminds me of Lennon's story about Macca playing about half of Elenor Rigby for them and then leaving the studio, asking them to see what they could do about finishing it up. You didn't think Macca could come up with "the face that she keeps in a jar by the door", do you? Anyway, John was mad at Paul for casually abandoning the beginnings of what John felt was a brilliant song. PS: 6 inches of snow fell yesterday. The first snow of the next cold season is due around the end of October. Could you use an illegal houseboy or gardener, Terry? -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:37:25 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: size doesn't matter At 12:22 AM 4/19/97 -0700, David Librik wrote: >As one person wrote a while ago on rec.music.misc: "I don't see why >this album has been so highly praised. It starts off well, but the >second half has too many unexceptional songs (that cover of "Vegetable >Man," for instance, or the long, long "Where Are The Prawns")." And >I thought about it, and realized he's right. If I was introducing >someone to the glory of the Soft Boys, I'd give them this CD, but I'd >tell them to program out all but the original 10 tracks for the first >few listening experiences. The amazing thing, besides the writer not figuring out that these were bonus tracks (y'know, when I buy a CD reissue, I *always* check to see what was on the original and what wasn't. Did others really think everything pre-1987 or so was a double-vinyl release? I do concede that a big flourescent 20-pt. "BONUS TRAX" helps!), is that he/she thinks that "Where Are the Prawns?" is "unexceptional." (Sigh) BTW, speaking as an ancient 29-year old, it's always kinda funny to me that my friends who are in their late teens or early twenties EXPECT every album to be at least 55 minutes long. Even one of my more perceptive younger pals (age 20) led off his comments to me about James' WHIPLASH with "well, it's a short album." Its length is about 45 minutes... later, Miles ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Nudity, Strong language, and Adult RH Content Date: Sat, 19 Apr 97 10:13:31 -0000 From: The Great Quail Riel writes: > EYE is the surpirse of his career, to me. It sneaked up on me and >nestled against my spine and has never left. That's a wonderful way of putting it. (Though I was always a wee bit partial to "snuck.") >The most alluring thing to me >is that he has created an entire vision, a universe that is wholly >his own, populated it, and expressed it. Very few artists have the >ability to do that and he's done it for 20 plus years. Thank you, Riel, thank you. That is one of the best descriptions of why I love Robyn that I have ever heard. You really get the feeling that there is an entire universe in his head, and that it follows a sort of weird logic and consistency of its own. I don't think he really has any choice whether or not to sing, write, and paint - the prawns insist that he tells their story, heh. Many of his lyrics and paintings have a surreal but hauntingly familiar quality, as if he is relating places which you, too, once visited, maybe in your sleep, or in those blank wide moments before a revelation. And like any artists who follow a path like this, his art has the astonishing ability to lodge itself deep into the recesses of your subconcious. And occasionally something happens that makes one detonate, and suddenly out of the blue, a phrase or metaphor opens up like a time bomb flower and you understand it - you find that by golly, if fits the exact situation you are experiencing! And that makes you wonder if that strange world he inhabits is, indeed, one that you know intimately as well. . . . because it is, after all, simply life after all. Am I making any sense? I would also say that other artists who have this effect on me - like they are creating whole worlds, consistent, alien, and yet strangely familiar - include J.L. Borges, Beck, Kafka, Magritte, HR Giger, and Sam Beckett. >More >knoeledgeable folks out there may feel free to debunk me or support, >but I'm curious; who does his playing rate? I'd say that he's pretty good, but that comes out the best seeing him live - I am still surprised at some of his solos. (I mean, Steve Howe or Adrian Belew don't need to feel nervous, but he has a unique approach to his playing.) He does some neato chord progressions, and the Soft Boys/Egyptians were a vert tight and oddly grooved band. (I have always thought that Metcalfe was a great bass player, very underrated.) > On the subject of lines, my all-time favorite has to from "The >Executioner." "I'm doing this for free, just like Live Aid." It seems >to me to be the cleverest, most sincere expression of pissed-off >cynicism-- and there is a lot of that trhroughout his music--he's >written. Leave it to Robyn to sum up the '80's better than anyone. I remember how that line used to upset me - I thought it was too pat, too jarring. Then as the years passed, and Live Aid became history, (not a lt of teens even know who Bob Geldof is, I know, I'm a high school teacher!) it gained this new resonance, and I began to appreciate it more. I now see your point. > Concur with other's that "The President" is about Reagan. The >last verse about "standing in a cemetary...." seems to concur with RR >visit to Bitburg. I read an interview with RH once where he mentioned the cemetary visit as his inspiration. > Agree that respect has some forgettable moments ("Moon Inside", >the tacked-on "Wafflehead"), Ach! My precioussss! He hatesss our favorite songsss, my precious! We must EATS HIM, my precious! >but I think it's an enduring record, and >certainly one of his more creative musically. I wish i could produce >something like "Railway Shoes" while sitting in my kitchen. OK, so Railway Shoes and many other songs are really my favorites, but man, I still giggle when I hear Wafflehead! One of my RH best memories was seeing the Egyptians in Philly on the Respect tour, and they did Wafflehead (I loved the cheese grater) and Robyn was wiggling his skinny English butt around and slurping the mike, and then said (add that dry tone to the voice): "Let's see Natalie Merchant do *this!*" I almost died laughing, especially because I had just been in an argument with a 10000 Maniacs fan that week which revolved around her thinking Robyn was just a lightweight with no talent and me thinking Natalie needed to lighten up a bit. I felt completely fulfilled, like the Gods of happy Synchronicity were smiling upon me. > Riel, > who paid cash money to go and see the giant snake > movie and rather enjoyed it, too. Cool! Hell, I admit that I paid cash to see every single Nightmare on Elm Street movie. . . . Quail PS - Oh yeah, where was the nudity? I can help but feel a little cheated. . . . ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Subject: Re: On Wings of Perspex... Date: Sat, 19 Apr 97 10:14:08 -0000 From: The Great Quail >> musicians. I also tend to pick up on the structure and "groove" of a >> song first and the lyrics follow afterwards. (Gut first, brain later). > >You don't hear lyrics that way? I kind of do. I tend to get a feel for the >lyrical sweep and the overall sort of pattern and sound of the words >sometimes even before I really notice the music. Just as an interesting aside note . . . Brian Eno, one who always came down on the side of music and sound shape over lyrical content, once remarked that he had been thoroughly enjoying Joni Mitchell's (I think it was) Court and Spark for five years before he even began noticing the lyrics. (I am paraphrasing a bit, I fear.) Though I personally agree with Susan on this one - I am definitely a lyric guy - I always found that comment intriguing, and rather Enoesque even for Eno. The Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: BEATLES [not ;}] On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, James Isaacs wrote: > Let's keep the fire going. > On the Paul front, 2 questions: > Is there any other artist more in need of the boxed set treatment? > Well, okay, Neil Young. And the Kinks. But besides that? don't forget Robyn Hitchcock. A box set could include a book of stories and paintings, a spoken word project and the best of whatever outtakes are out there still. Not to mention the microsoft cd rom, since he's entered that unholy alliance. it's like when the borg collective changed in its entirety becusae one of them dicovered individualism. Maybe soon Windows users will notice they can see through their screens. Or all MS products will come with a free screen saver that features insects and other RH characters. Hey, they've done plenty of discs to try and indoctrinate new people. it's time to satiate the hardcore fegs. On the production issue, consider the similarity of "Stupid Girl" to "twister" or "independence day". With the production (special effects) it's kinda fun. But imagine those films without the effects! Consider also the star wars films, which are still so fun in their own right that the older effects, not to mention the poor acting, don't even matter (imo). Guess this equates to good, old songs. Production has its place, but i think the true test of a song is to strip away the veneer and listen to its skeleton. That said, the latest Chemical Brothers album features the same downsliding bass note as the pit of souls! (hey, there's only so many notes. music is going to run out of songs eventually. maybe that's why everything is starting to sound the same?) ^b ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .