From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #61 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 61 Thursday March 27 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Susan's digest: fanecdotes and fegfotos Re: Trash Re: Trash Re: pitch, film, Y&O and Peake authorial intent Re: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents bad vibes for kimberly? Re: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents Re: Viva Thing Deco, Decay, Decoy Re: no robyn content All unavoided is the Doom of Destiny.... Re: Keef (little RH content) Re: Keef (little RH content) fwd: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents Animation Deadline for "Fanecdotes" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:02:46 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Susan's digest: fanecdotes and fegfotos On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Nick Winkworth wrote: > Thanks to the demands of earning my keep, I don't get the chance to post > as much as I used to - so here I am replying to a whole digest -- or > maybe I should say Susan's digest, since 50% of the content was hers. > ;-) Ok, so I'm a geek. Like you all didn't know this already! :) Besides, I'm on Spring Break. And this is how I'm spending it. Guess there's no accounting for taste. I'll settle down a bit once school starts back up (ha!). > the chance to influence which tracks get released. (If you ever get > stuck you'll find no shortage of advice here, Jim.) (snicker :)) The hell you say! > affected people's lives, how could he avoid at least *some* mention of > the FEGMANIAX list? Friendships have been made, flame wars fought, beer > brewed and CDs recorded. Yup. Things are rather lively round these parts. The first mailing list I ever joined, and easily the best. It's played a definite part in my life and I know I'm a big geek :), but still I strongly suspect I'm not the only one. > If memory serves me correctly, there has even > been a marriage! When was -that-? Who was involved? I've been hanging round this Colney Hatch for well on two years now (has it been that long? jesus, I really need a life) and I can't recall any mention of such a thing. > *What happens* when an incredibly diverse group of people get together > on the Internet, sharing only an appreciation of Robyn Hitchcock's > music? ("Do you talk about Eric Clapton?":RH) Well, it would be just like Robyn to mention one of the few subjects that -hasn't- ever come up, wouldn't it? Makes me suspect he's reading.......;) > I'm sure the inquiring > minds who buy UPT will want to know. I'm not so sure about that. It might frighten them. They might get the impression they've just joined a rather freaky cult or something :). > I think a mention of the list (especially with a Robyn quote) is > essential! I especially like Robyn's line, "if I want to know what I'm > up to; I know where to look". I agree that the list should get a mention, definitely. > Fegfotos > > Now that the tour is over would anyone who managed to take a group photo > *please* let me know. I need to know whether this web page is in > business or not. I'll let you know where to send them when they are > developed. Yes, please! I'm damn curious. > Susan: (& off topic as usual) Sorry, but I was very disappointed with > Ian McKellen's Richard III. (I also saw the stage version of the same > production - which was not much better). When it comes to the Bard on > film, Branagh rules. I just can't see him as Richard. Maybe when he's a bit older. If you want to argue that Olivier's Richard III was better than McKellen's, though, you might just have something........ Love on ya, Susan who thinks that at this rate, she ought to get an honorary cone for most postings per day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:00:13 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Trash >Personally I always thought it was about Kimberley. So who is Kimberly? *realising she should know this, being a feg, and being sorely embarassed for not knowing it.* LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ got any Stupid Criminal stories??? Please share!!! Find the link at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:13:58 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Trash On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, LSDiamond wrote: > >Personally I always thought it was about Kimberley. > > So who is Kimberly? *realising she should know this, being a feg, > and being sorely embarassed for not knowing it.* Kimberley Rew, Soft Boys guitarist, later with Katrina and the Waves. Look at the picture on "Invisible Hits". Look for the cute one (the cute one that isn't Robyn, that is). That's him. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:23 -0800 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: pitch, film, Y&O and Peake > ANYONE but Lynch - PLEEEZE!!! How 'bout Adam Egoyin? Or Steve >Buscemi? Too bad Derek Jarman's not still around. How 'bout Wim Wenders? Isle of Wight appearing like the Berlin of "Wings of Desire". It is, after all, where angels hover... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ From: tanter@econs.umass.edu Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:50:12 -0500 Subject: authorial intent Lyricists are like poets and other writers....you can't take everything they say as autobiography. Just because you may know that certain songs are based on tales from Robyn's life, it doesn't mean everything he writes is. Maybe "Trash," for example, was based on a newspaper story or something someone told him or something else entirely. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:14:24 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents >Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > > You're talking about a Rock & Roll icon here, and no matter what > > he's become in his old age I'd be willing to bet that Robyn > > Hitchcock doesn't share your view. Slag Mick if you want, but leave > > Kieth alone. He's always been genuine. > > This would be the same icon who did the Hyde Park gig with an > out-of-tune guitar and didn't notice? > > (H) This reminds me of a documentry on 60's rock n' roll I was watching the other night. Part of it was on the Stones Altemont show. The lineup included the Jefferson Airplane and Grateful Dead also. Well, as you know things got more and more out of control as the day went on (re: people beating the crap out of each other). The members of the Dead decided not to go on because the observed that as music was being played the kids would just rush the stage aned get their heads smashed in by the Hells Angels security. But the Stones apparantly decided that they wanted to film their movie, so they waited until dark and went on. I'm sure most of you know that it ended up with one kid actually being killed. The Stones could have called off the show as it was obvious things were out of control, but they decided their own movie and publicity was more important. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 23:56:50 -0500 From: "T.L.R. III" Subject: bad vibes for kimberly? regarding a few posts about trash. . . was robyn annoyed at kimberly for a while? any particular reason why/evidence of it? just curious--i never saw any evidence of this myself, but then i was just a youngin' back in those days. . . . . tom * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "questions are a burden for others. answers are a prison for oneself."* * --village sign * *tom's web page--http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/t/l/tlr121 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:39:27 EST On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:14:24 -0500 nicastr@idt.net (Ben) writes: >This reminds me of a documentry on 60's rock n' roll I was watching >the >other night. Part of it was on the Stones Altemont show. The lineup >included the Jefferson Airplane and Grateful Dead also. Well, as you >know >things got more and more out of control as the day went on (re: people >beating the crap out of each other). The members of the Dead decided >not to >go on because the observed that as music was being played the kids >would >just rush the stage aned get their heads smashed in by the Hells >Angels >security. But the Stones apparantly decided that they wanted to film >their >movie, so they waited until dark and went on. I'm sure most of you >know >that it ended up with one kid actually being killed. The Stones could >have >called off the show as it was obvious things were out of control, but >they >decided their own movie and publicity was more important. Man, it's a good thing this didn't happen at the "Storefront Hitchcock" taping..! I can just see it now... "Unruly fans charge stage at taping of Jonathan Demme's upcoming rockumentary on Robyn Hitchcock... One fan bludgeoned to death with a cone by a roadie named Igor. The cone had a picture etched on the side of it of Keith Richards metaphorposizing (? is that a word) (it is now) into a giant pool of liquid heroin... the whole scene was caught on film for posterity" Ack, I'm starting to hallucinate... The Guambat needs some sleep! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:27:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Viva Thing >From: mr bean jeans There was another Viva Saturn record on Restless Records about a year ago. I can't come up with the title at the moment, but I'm sure a casual Websearch would reveal the name. I heard a cassette of it and didn't like it too much -- pretty behind the times, even within that retro-psychedelic realm. I mean, I even those Rain Parade records haven't held up too well either.... >From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) > >And I wonder what >the song title was... "That Thing You Do" ?, or maybe it was >"Don't Tell Me About Gene Hackman", or maybe it was "No, I >Don't Remember Gump"... and that was the reason >why Robyn's song didn't get picked! :) > >Please, someone enlighten me. I've talked to Adam Schlesinger (writer of the movie's theme) about this, and he said the title "That Thing You Do" was already in place and chosen by the filmmakers. So presumably, the various song submissions (including Robyn's) were ALL called "That Thing You Do." Correct me if you know better. Of course, in Robyn's case, that "thing" she did might have been considerably more bizarre! ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:25:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: Deco, Decay, Decoy This is probably going to seem a stupid question, but anyway... what are the differences between Deco, Decay and Decoy? I've got just about all the other major releases now, so one of these is next (on CD). Going back to the singing ranges thread: someone said Dave Davies is a baritone, and Ray a tenor. Since Dave nearly always sings harmony above Ray, I'd say he's a tenor, and a high tenor at that (listen to _Strangers_, or even just the way he speaks in interviews). Some other observations: Bob Dylan, used to be able to do tenor (e.g. _It's All Over Now Baby Blue_, or BOTT & Desire), most often baritone, and rapidly descending into bass. Radiohead's Thom Yorke - not really alto (I reserve alto for falsetto voices like David McAlmont, Smokey Robinson, etc.), but certainly high tenor. A tougher one: Pulp's Jarvis Cocker (seems to switch between baritone and tenor in every song. Actually, Robyn switches between the two a lot as well). Just got EOL the other day, and it's way up there in my list of favourite RH albums (Moss is at the top). Don't know if it's been mentioned before, but doesn't _Somewhere Apart_ have a strking similarity to _Remember_ by John Lennon? I now know why _Airscape_ has been mentioned so many times on the list - I'll never be able to think of the Isle of Wight without hearing that song now! And I reckon US fegs will have a strange idea of the tranquil town of Winchester :) Gary ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:55:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: no robyn content On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, mr bean jeans wrote: > also sprach james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan): > > >whoa - back up here a minute... Steve Roback? As in Rain Parade? Tell me > >more about this Viva Saturn! > > they formed in the late 80s after the rain parade split. i think there are > some ep's and singles, but i know there is at least one album: _soundmind_ > on the spirit music industries label which came out in 1992. other band > members (at that time) included john thoman, ross inden and carlo nuccio > (the first and third were also in the rain parade). i think thoman is still > in viva saturn, but the rhythm section has changed. didn't care much for > this record when i first heard it, but i like it now. They've also released the CD "Brightside" and an EP "Viva Saturn". Steve Roback says that they're working on a new album now. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:21:45 -0800 From: meketone@well.com (Ethyl Ketone) Subject: All unavoided is the Doom of Destiny.... At 9:02 PM 3/26/97, Truman Peyote wrote: >> I think a mention of the list (especially with a Robyn quote) is >> essential! I especially like Robyn's line, "if I want to know what I'm >> up to; I know where to look". > As a "newbie" to the list but a long-time fan, I'd agree that a mention of the list is essential! It's the only list I've ever participated in but I find the commentary, thoughts and insights remarkable. I've always avoided the company of "fans" thinking them sycophants, but this is different. >> Susan: (& off topic as usual) Sorry, but I was very disappointed with >> Ian McKellen's Richard III. (I also saw the stage version of the same >> production - which was not much better). When it comes to the Bard on >> film, Branagh rules. > >I just can't see him as Richard. Maybe when he's a bit older. If you want >to argue that Olivier's Richard III was better than McKellen's, though, >you might just have something........ > Gotta talk about Willie the Shake here - I saw both the film and the stage version of RIII and much preferred the stage version until the second viewing of the film. Suddenly it clicked in for me and I liked it. Definately not my fav Bard film but great in it's campy, over-the-top presentation, which i suspect is close to original intent. Branagh gets top marks for Henry V however. One of the finest film interpetations of a play. I'm still ambivilent, however, about his Hamlet as I have many little nitpicky arguments with that film. My favs are Polanski's "MacBeth", Derek Jarman's "Tempest", Greenaway's "Prospero's Books" and the incomparable "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (which, if anyone saw the academy awards little tribute to Shakespeare you'd notice that these 4 were omitted)! Robyn in the Oldman role in R&GAD would be interesting, at the very least. (It was viewing that film when I realized that I was a "tragedian".) But he's definately not old enough for the role of RIII. And, as a final note, I LIKED "Looking for Richard" very much. It's worth seeking out. I gotta split... Carrie -------------------------------------------- Carrie Galbraith meketone@well.com "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:30:00 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Troy" Subject: Re: Keef (little RH content) (The Guambat): *I think one of the funniest SNL bits of all time was when Mick was on and he did a skit with Mike Myers. Mike Myers played Mick and Mick played Keith--complete with unintelligible and unfinished ramblings... it was so biting and just made one wonder how much the glimmer *twins HAD actually "kissed and made up" ! My memory may be failing me, but I believe Dana Carvey played Keith and Mike Myers played Mick Jagger, and the premise was Mick's nervousness about being able to sexually satisfy his new bride, as if the wedding night would be the first time, or something like that. Keith was portrayed as a wise romantic. It's Myers' portrayal as Ron Wood as a talk show host that has him speaking unintelligibly, laughing for no apparent reason, and occasionally breaking up the drunken laughter by uttering, in a somber tone, "Your father.." - sort of a Barbara Walters moment. I'll take this opportunity to let everyone know that I have PLENTY to do on Saturday nights other than watch SNL, thank you! Regarding the movie: I dislike both David Lynch and Atom Egoyan. I'd prefer a Cecil B. DeMille sweeping epic, complete with a cast of thousands and a flood scene. Coen Bros: I've always regarded Barton Fink and Hudsucker Proxy as anomalies in their career, with the former being a much more successful departure. They are broad and high concept while the other films are tightly focused and more character-driven. I rank them: Blood Simple, Fargo, Miller's Crossing, Fink, Raising Arizona, and Hudsucker. Ten favorite albums: You're all wrong! Nobody's named any of mine, yet. Here they are: McCartney, McCartney II, Ram, Back to the Egg, Press to Play, Wings at the Speed of Sound, Pipes of Peace, Red Rose Speedway, Band on the Run, and Give My Regards to Broad Street. List subject to change at any time. Seriously, God bless all those who can pick their ten favorite albums of all time. I wouldn't feel good unless we extended the list to 25-30, and that would take up a lot of bandwidth, as I'm doing right now. Dan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Keef (little RH content) From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:35:56 EST On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:30:00 -0500 "Daniel J. Troy" writes: >My memory may be failing me, but I believe Dana Carvey played Keith >and Mike Myers played Mick Jagger, and the premise was Mick's >nervousness about being able to sexually satisfy his new bride, as if >the wedding night would be the first time, or something like that. >Keith >was portrayed as a wise romantic. No, your memory isn't failing you--Carvey and Myers did this skit, as well--but there was a skit with Mick (when Mick was solo and was the music guest for the show that week) and Myers--just as I explained it. What made it so funny was that Mick did a pretty devastating impersonation of Keith. I know I'm not mistaken because this particular skit was both on the original show and on the "best of" show for that particular season--so I saw it twice that year (back when SNL was much better than it is now) >It's Myers' portrayal as Ron Wood as a talk show host that has him >speaking unintelligibly, laughing for no apparent reason, and >occasionally breaking up the drunken laughter by uttering, in a somber >tone, "Your father.." - sort of a Barbara Walters moment. This is true, too--and very funny! Robyn content: When, oh when, will Robyn finally get to play on SNL? Probably this fall, but by then no one will be watching anymore. Gosh, I'm cynical. Guambat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 10:41:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Rock'n'Roll Toilet contents ======== Original Message ======== Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > You're talking about a Rock & Roll icon here, and no matter what > he's become in his old age I'd be willing to bet that Robyn > Hitchcock doesn't share your view. Slag Mick if you want, but leave > Kieth alone. He's always been genuine. This would be the same icon who did the Hyde Park gig with an out-of-tune guitar and didn't notice? (H) ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== I didn't say he was GOOD! just genuine. "Trash" is about posers. -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 10:51:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Animation >Whoever came up with it, I think the idea of animating Robyn's drawings >is simply brilliant! I don't think it would stand up as a full-length >movie, but as a video it would be perfect. The logical next step from >the metamorphosing cone pictures. I actually asked him about this during an interview circa 1984. His response, in a nutshell, was that it would be much too tedious and time consuming for him. I've been holding out hope ever since that he'd change his mind some day. -rr ------------------------------ From: jim_neill@rhinorecords.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 12:12:23 -0800 Subject: Deadline for "Fanecdotes" I need any submissions for "Uncorrected Personality Traits" e-mailed to me by no later than 4/1 !!!! Reach! I know you've got it in you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .