From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #49 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 49 Thursday March 13 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Question about the past Re: Question about the past Favorite ME song The 11th ME Best Song on Moss Elixir Goodbye for a little while Re: Moss re-evaluation Who's looking for Gene? (No Robyn content) knitting factory Fleshy Glasses Re: Question about the past Listing ME Re: The 11th Some threads never die (was Re: the 11th) BMJ & the Moss, Mossy at Ajax, more live tapes How Many left? Wagga Wagga is in Australia John Cale in Nashville, 3/12/97 Re: Listing Wed. Mar. 12 KF gig (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) Fwd: Wed. Mar. 12 KF gig (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) Explanations the 12th fwd: Explanations knit fact Re: the 12th fruit par Robyn Cones... Cat's Cradle tape tree post wonders of modern science GATHERING MOSS ME on shuffle; John Cale Re: ME on shuffle; John Cale How do you work this thing? (NO RH) Re: the 12th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:10:38 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Question about the past At 11:15 PM 3/11/97 -0800, Ethyl Ketone wrote: >I've been remembering past shows lately and I seem to recall, years ago, >whenever Mr. H played solo (at certain venues), that he had a piano on the >stage as well as guitars. He usually did a "piano set". Since I quite doing >drugs a LONG time ago, it's definately not an alternate reality I am >remembering. Anyone else who saw him in the 80s remember a piano on the >stage and anyone have any knowledge on why he stopped using this during his >solo shows? He had one at his solo show in 1990 at the Bluebird here in Nashville; did "Flavour of Night" and "Somewhere Apart" and something else on it, not to mention a hilarious Elton John impersonation... later, Miles, who missed the piano this time around ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:40:27 -0500 From: Alex Tanter Subject: Re: Question about the past The first time we saw Robyn live, it was just him and a piano with a little bit of guitar thrown in, but mostly he was on the piano. This was October of 1989. There's lots of piano on the older albums but it's not featured as much in the more recent ones. (not at all on ME?) It does seem that there's less of it now..... It's an interesting thing to ponder. Maybe he got tired of it and is more thrilled by the range of guitars or something....? Marcy and Alex (posting together for a change!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:43:09 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Favorite ME song Far and away it's Filthy Bird -- the harmonies you can add on the Ooooooohs make it one of the best RH songs to sing harmonies to. I gave my extra copy of ME (I'm not stoopid) to a non-Feg friend of mine recently, and she thought Speed of Things Best stood out from the rest because of its storytelling. Being careful not to cross the mascara and the phosphorus, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 9:47:40 EST From: Jeff Rosedale Subject: The 11th Here follows a rough and perforated account of last night's show. Auspicious beginnings: I scanned adjacent blocks for nutritional sources ad basically gave up. Stopped in to a deli across the street from the Factory. Ordered a sloppy and not great meatball sub. Munching contentedly when a tall gaunt figure in a dark long coat with graying hair entered the room. he was flanked by a somewhat shorter woman dressed in black. I looked up from my centripedal sandwich and thought "naaaahh, it can't be." The man was looking around nervously but I couldn't see his face. Until, that is, he wheeled to leave the store, when of course I discovered it was Robyn, and presumably Michele. The kicker is that Robyn was carrying around one of his cones- it was pretty amusing seeing that sight in a faceless delicatessen. The show began a few minutes late with the Dear Janes. The crowd was surprisingly sparse; Robyn introduced the Janes in a green and black checkerboard shirt and Moss Elixir shades, and exiting the stage he said "this is going to be great!" The Janes certainly have personality but their music was just OK- their "title" track, Dear Jane, had the most energy in the set they played- about 40 minutes. Robyn burst onto the scene in the same black/white getup as previously described. I don't remember all the songs as I was just concentrating on taking it all in. Both he and the janes were plagued with technical difficulties- a nagging buzz in the monitors and a "socket problem" which caused guitars to change sound characteristics at random moments- but nobody seemed too bothered by this. The only downside was that he cut his acoustic set short, which is a shame because the songs were strikingly well done. Most memorable from the acoustic portion was "Tonight" (I think that's the name of the song) and Lysander, which I had never heard live and was fabulous. Let me pause to mention that the green cone was adorned with a lemon. So then it was on to electric, with the same blue guitar as mentioned elsewhere. Oh yeah, going backwards again, the reading at the beginning of the show was peppered with references to the Don't talk to me about Gene Hackman song. Back to the nearer past. There were fine inter-song discussions about checkerboards and toilets in Lansing Michigan again, the fact that electricity is molecules in agony, a giant marshmallow police seargant accepting Glaxo, celebrations of life's blandest moments (alright yeah), and everyone always being right about everything (you and oblivion). He played some unusual stuff, like The Lizard, Satellite (follwed by a cover of lou reed's Satellite of Love- with which he concluded); but for me the *absolute* highlight of the show was the performance of I Often Dream of Trains. It rearranged me on the sub-atomic level. He smiled as he finished that song- I think he knew he did a great version- deliberate and slow, penetrating layers of consciousness, with a live fade-out that was just beautiful. Also a great version of Freeze. Those are the more prominent memories... I trust the blanks will be filled in by others. More tomorrow! --jeff rosedale@columbia.edu Oh yeah again, the encore saw the red light bulb reappear- and that's when things really started smoking... cones were on sale, didn't sell out, I saw one about a telephone calling "Mr. God" and lots of things metamorphoses into other things. The one I got was the only one marked with the signature and N.Y.C.... looks like a sweet potato changing into a vegetable man with a moustache... the show was intimate, lots of eye contact with the crowd, which was quite nice. As RH said exiting the stage for the last time, "see you tomorrow!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:55:00 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Troy" Subject: ME Hello, I haven't contributed in a while, so I figured it was about time I wasted valuable bandwidth. RE Moss Elixir: I liked it from the start and still do, and agree with recent posters that it will be remembered as one of RH's better projects. Early period - Sinister, but... Speed of Things Heliotrope I am Not Me Mid- DeChirico Street Heliotrope Speed of Things Alright, Yeah Currently- Heliotrope You and Oblivion DeChirico Street Devil's Radio Heliotrope is the constant, and is my current fave. I agree that it has slightly menacing lyrics, and I enjoy its elegant, somewhat Medieval, feel. Of course I think Eye is brilliant and Queen Elvis is brilliant at times though inconsistent, so what do I know? now playing: Blur, "Blur" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:58:54 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Best Song on Moss Elixir Hard-pressed to pick a favorite--there isn't one song on that album that I don't love. But here are my favorite moments: The guitar riff in FILTHY BIRD and those haunting harmonies The bright chorus of MAN W/A WOMAN'S SHADOW which surprises me every time after the darkness of the verse, and the cute clumsiness of the guitar performance "I gotta walk...but I'm gonna put my fork next to your spoon..." From ALRIGHT YEAH--what a weirdly seductive line. The powerful opening riff of I AM NOT ME, and that line "I say Caroline, no need to spell it backwards..." which manages to be chilling and goofy at the same time The way the guitars and vocals interact on SPEED OF THINGS: more chills. And, uh, everything else. Paula ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:02:47 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Goodbye for a little while Fegs: I've been subscribing to this list (and a few others) at work, and I'm just too busy now to participate fully, or even lurk successfully, so I'm jumping off the list for a little while. I'll be at the first Saturday show at Knitting Factory, and may pop on to post a set list, but other than that, farewell, my loquacious and fascinating friends! Paula Carino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:40:20 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: Re: Moss re-evaluation In my last digest, some of you said: >after some time with this i find this an amazingly deceptive album. it >presents things and conceals others as time goes by. perhaps that is >why the album is rather refreshing after a bit of time on the shelf. >dare i say that it is one of his better productions. >Over the years, if I may be so bold, I predict that Moss >Elixir will rank high on all of our lists. Ok... who's revamping their 1996 top 10 lists? > >FIRST THREE LISTENS: Heliotrope Beautiful Queen >THE MIDDLE PERIOD: Sinister but she was Happy DeChirico St Filthy Bird >RIGHT NOW: This is how it Feels I am not Me BTW, I decided to be a responsible person, and not venture to NYC this weekend. I'm kicking myself, but I just can't handle it financially. I keep telling myself, "you'll have another chance..." Oh yeah - the new Blur album is amazing. Keith _________________________________________________________________________ "Live by the Foma that make you brave and kind and healthy and happy." - The Books of Bokonon 1:5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:48:02 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Who's looking for Gene? (No Robyn content) I apologize for the intrusion, folks, but yesterday I received a phone call from a chap who said he had a CD for me but he had lost my address. If that person is reading this, kindly reply via e-mail. You see, I lost the phone number I scribbled down, so I couldn't call you back, and I had so much going on when you called I can't remember your name. __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://www.edoc.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 691-6235 ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:23:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: knitting factory Alright, I can't believe Not ONE post about last nights show at the KF. I'm off to see him tonight and was hoping for a heads up on the show, like what to expect. Eghh, wasn't ANYBODY there?? lj? ANYONE? I'll post tomorrow! If anyones going tonight, I'll have the pompodour REALLY high so you'll recognize me!! :-) DOBBS ------------------------------ From: Terry_Linnig@hccompare.com Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 13:39:55 cst Subject: Fleshy Glasses I recently received 'Glass Flesh'. Great stuff!! Everyone did one hell of a job. Terry ------------------------------ From: upstart@mindlink.bc.ca (Renee Lynn) Subject: Re: Question about the past Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:49:21 -0800 >I've been remembering past shows lately and I seem to recall, years ago, >whenever Mr. H played solo (at certain venues), that he had a piano on the >stage as well as guitars. I remember a show like this from the late eighties. The piano was set up on the stage in such a way that when he sat there he had his back to the audience. Before he sat down he asked us to "be kind and don't rob eachother while I can't see you". He played A Day in the Life, and kept jumping up and switching from guitar to piano during the song. I miss the piano. Be Seeing You RLT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:01:28 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Matrix) Subject: Listing Last week we,(the Favorite Color) were listed in Time Out New York and it said "they fancy themselves sounding like Robyn Hitchcock" which was actually sort of insulting. This week we are in the New York Press and compared to some obscure German progressive rock band called Amon Duul. Strange, eh? Anyway, anyone in NYC check it out... an actually large paragraph on us written by the (recently mentioned by Miles) famous JR Taylor. If you are going to the Saturday Night at 8:00 Robyn show, find Paula Carino and have her take you over to the gallery to see us at midnight. Please? steve ------------------------------ Subject: ME From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:20:02 EST ME is a bit of an enigma to me. When I look down my list of 15 RH CD's to pick from I don't usually find myself settling on it. But when I do decide to have a listen I am always pleased with the CD. Like everyone else, I had a few tunes that struck me at first, but now have faded into the landscape: Devil's Radio, DeChirico Street, Beautiful Queen, and Alright, Yeah. I think that Sinister But Happy is always going to be a fave, as would Heliotrope if it were the ML version (with lovely bkgd. vox). Does anyone else out there in fegdom agree with me that the whole range of human emotion can be found in the electric guitar tag at the close of You and Oblivion? I know that Man With a Woman's Shadow is a bit old, but not much talk on this list about it... I think it's brilliant and fits nicely on the CD. Lastly, if Mossy Liquor (ML) were available on CD it would easily be the most listened to CD in my collection. Here are five reasons why it is much, much better than ME: 1. Heliotrope, with background singers and acoustic guitar 2. Wide Open Star 3. Sinister But Happy, with piano and a quiet Robyn 4. Shuffling Down the Flagstones, the best RH instrum. 5. Each of Her Silver Wands--the only thing that would make this version better if it was done with an acoustic guitar, but it's still great. I guess I've said my bit. Thanks for letting me ramble. THE GUAMBAT has spoken! guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:45:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: The 11th great review, it had me crying, laughing, sighing...yeah! I'm so excited about tonight!! See you there. Gonna buy a cone!! ------------------------------ From: Aidan Cully Subject: Some threads never die (was Re: the 11th) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:16:33 -0500 (EST) jlgr wrote: > Gonna buy a cone!! Gonna buy a cone for me and you Which we can hone and eat from too Ba, ba ba ba, gonna buy a cone! Some threads can ruin your life.. --aidan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:22:00 EST From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: BMJ & the Moss, Mossy at Ajax, more Someone recently asked about BMG's "Moss Elixir:Mossy Liquor:Outtakes and Prototypes" and then another person responded by saying they ordered it and it was nothing but Moss Elixir. Sorry for the lack of names here, but I can second this outcome. A while ago I wrote to BMG asking for details of the songs included on their curiously titled CD and was answered with a copy of the CD along with a bill (received last week, in fact). So, asking is apparently equivalent to ordering. Anyway, after opening the box and finding out that the CD was the same old ME, I resealed the box and wrote Return to SEnder and plopped it in the mail. I haven't heard back since. So, be sure that the BMG disc is Moss Elixir. Sorry I used so many words to say this. & I recently picked up a copy of Mossy Liquor through Ajax records (mailorder) for the standard 10.50, I believe, plus postage. I heartily recommend buying (and buying and buying) through Ajax records. They are well-informed, timely, and reasonable. Ajax is a small Chicago record store and record label that is now just a mail order business. I would first try to contact them through email about Mossy's availability and then place a call to put the order through--they have a 1-800 number for credit card purchases. The email I have used in the past is Ajax@ripco.com Its safest to make use of UPS for delivery, but this is a bit more expensive if you only buy one thing--they have a flat rate for UPS shipping. So, heck, pick up a few records while you're at it! You can tell them Ken Sabatini sent you if you like, although it may not do you any good--still, it couldn't hurt ;) What else did I buy on that order, you might ask? Well, I bought a copy of The 3D's latest release, along with a CD by a Dutch band named the Furtips-- who craft some really interesting off-kilter pop songs and some that explore some strange territory. (I realize this is pretty vague, but I'm out of energy at the moment--Pavement comes to mind as an obvious influence however) Recent CD's I've been getting into: The Lilys (Better Can't Make you Beautiful) --I could have this title mixed up though; The Clean (Unknown Country), which may take a few listens to fully sink in, but it is worth the effort--can anyone argue that The Clean and their members' related bands and solo projects (Clean, Bats, David Kilgour, Magick Heads, Mad Scene, to name the big ones) are the best things going in music today?; and The Apples in Stereo (Fun Trick Noisemaker). The Apples sound as refreshing to me today as Teenage Fanclub did 6 or 7 years ago--they draw heavily on late 60's pop, but do it so sincerely that it doesn't sound pretentious or precious. I wish this band great success. It's all true I tell ya', Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini Being a genius is easy. Dept. of Psychology All you have to do is say, "everything is wrong." University of Georgia You'll always be right. Athens, GA -some Ren & Stimpy side character ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: tews@vcommons.com (Eddie Tews) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:42:17 -0700 Subject: live tapes eddie tews 4419 229th ave ne redmond, wa 98053 tews@vcommons.com hi! i'm a robyn fanatic looking for live tapes. the more the merrier. the knitting factory shows look especially interesting if anyone will have those. unfortunately, i don't have any tapes to trade in return, but will gladly buy someone a box of chocolates if they can help. thanks!! p.s. i think the four songs "man with a woman's shadow" through "you and oblivion" on Elixir is the best four consecutive album tracks of robyn's career. for what it's worth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:25:58 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: How Many left? How many shows does Robyn have left in this part of the country? i.e., how many chances do i have to ask someone to pick up a groovy sort of cone for me? *grin* i like birds and plants, so that should give you an idea.. of course, i've liked all the ones i've seen, so it could have just about anything on it and i'd like it.. *LOL* just no references to God on them, please.... so umm, if i could just find that bit of information out and send one of you out on a mission armed with those odd pieces of green paper, that'd be just swell... *grin* LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay Okay i updated my page again (7 March, 1997) now will you PLEASE sign my guestbook??? *pitiful smile* http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:45:45 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Wagga Wagga is in Australia >Now, about this astrology business. I've seen folks posting about sun signs >and Geminis and what-not, and I thought I'd ask a question that I've never >gotten a satisfactory answer to: Are horiscopes based on what constellation >the sun was in on the day you're born? If so, the system's gotten out of >whack since it got started thousands of years ago. Due to the Earth's >precession in the last four thousand years, we actually see it come up in >different constellations now than we used to. I fired up an astronomy >program I've had for years, and had it show me the sky around the sun every >morning from mid-May through the end of June. On May 15, it's half-way between >Aries and Taurus; by the 20th, the Sun is clearly in Taurus. It doesn't get >to Gemini, then, until around June 20. What is there about the sky that >warrants calling people born from the end of May until the end of June Geminis? okfine, here goes! Astrology IS based to a large extent on "star signs", but a lot of people who have tried to link astrology with science regard it more as linking the season or time of the year with personality - thus a person born in early spring may have a different personality to someone born in late autumn. If you study it more from the astrologer's point of view, though, the sun signs are still the most important single feature, albeit not the only one. You can't just say "ah - a Scorpio - I know what THEY'LL be like!". First you've got the 12 signs, one of which the sun was in at the time you were born. Then you've got the twelve ascendants - the sign which was on the horizon and rising at the moment of birth (eg, a person may be Scorpio with Taurus rising). THEN you've got to look at the sign the moon was in, and each of the planets. After that, theres the location of each of these celestial objects in relation to all the other celestial objects (usually called planets, even though the sun and moon are included). Once you've got this, you also have to look at the house each of these planets was in - that is, whether the moon, say, was rising, setting, at zenith, or not visible. Multiply it all together and you have 12 x 12 x (12^10) x 12 - rather a large number, multiplied by the relationship between the pairs of planets (which I'm not even going to begin to factor in!) It'll keep you amused for hours trying to work it out. oh and ObRob: best tracks off ME? Beautiful Queen - with that lovely 60s-ish, Indian feel to the octaved strings - makes me think of White album era Beatles. And Heliotrope, one of the most beautiful dappled-sunlight-falling-through- stained-glass songs Robyn has ever written. A charming joy. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:59:49 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: John Cale in Nashville, 3/12/97 Caught John Cale in the incongruous setting of Zanies', a comedy club, tonight. Jesus H. Christ. Any other show I see this year is gonna have to go a LONG way to top this one. I'm almost embarrassed to post about this, given the paucity of my knowledge of Cale's solo career -- reminds me of Stewart's great Yo La Tengo concert review from a couple of years ago, where he was wowed by the show but could only pick out a few songs that were familiar to him at the time. I couldn't name three songs Cale did tonight, or any of the accompanying musicians (though I might know their names if I heard them -- Cale didn't introduce them), but I was blown away nevertheless. While there were a few slower and/or softer songs mixed in, about 80% of the set (the show was two hours almost exactly) rocks harder than you'd believe. Cale and his band pulverize, yet are totally in control -- musically, imagine Cale fronting the Pixies at their most rocking with Fripp sitting in on lead guitar. Whoever the lead guitarist is (I'll be embarrassed to not have recognized him, probably) played masterfully. Cale himself switched between electric guitar, acoustic guitar, and keyboards, but wherever he was stationed he commanded the stage -- his vocals were authoritative, as were his fine rhythm guitar work and his keyboard playing. I thought his harsh stare at the roadies when distracting buzzing erupted from the monitors during the second song of the show would consume them in flames -- I'm *sure* they felt singed! No stage banter, just quick song titles and on into the music. It's been A LONG time since I was so enraptured by a show that I lost all track of time. Those two hours seemed more like twenty minutes. John Cale '97: dynamic, blaring, rocking full-tilt. If it's coming to your town -- or within driving distance of it -- don't miss it. later, Miles, who now realizes he's got a HUGE gap in his record collection ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:27:02 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Listing At 03:01 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Matrix wrote: >Last week we,(the Favorite Color) were listed in Time Out New York and it >said "they fancy themselves sounding like Robyn Hitchcock" which was >actually sort of insulting. This week we are in the New York Press and >compared to some obscure German progressive rock band called Amon Duul. >Strange, eh? I'd take getting compared to ANY of the "Krautrock" bands -- the best were Can, Neu, and Amon Duul -- as a humongous compliment. Don't think Yes or ELP, think of a cross between 1973-74 King Crimson, Kraftwerk, Eno's ambient work, and Joy Division, and that really doesn't begin to cover it. Julian Cope (whose later work is highly influenced by Krautrock) has written a rather well-received book about those bands, titled, oddly enough, KRAUTROCK... ;-) later, Miles np: Can, SAW DELIGHT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:34:46 -0800 From: txc@echonyc.com (Tom X. Chao) Subject: Wed. Mar. 12 KF gig (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) Tonight's show at the Knitting Factory was great. I mainly enjoyed it because he didn't play the same set as during the filming of "Storefront Hitchcock" and the Beacon Billy Bragg tag team show. I'm starting to get tired of that Moss Elixir stuff. I didn't write down the set list but it included "Daisy Bomb," Ghost Ship, Ride, Oceanside, Clean Steve, Man With A Woman's Shadow, Cynthia Mask, Wreck of the Arthur Lee and a creepy folk song that might have been called "Polly on the Shore." Also an instrumental for which he suggested imagining "spidery-legged people dancing in a courtyard." And an old Syd song. My personal favorites included "Kingdom of Love," which I was going to loudly request, but he played it first, obviating the need to scream out for it. I suppose I can die happy now. Also the final encore was "Waterloo Sunset," which f*ckin' made my night! I once saw Lloyd Cole do that number at the Roxy in Hollywood, so it lives on in the hearts of many. He talked slightly less than I expected but not much less. Great orangey shirt with little hands on it. I really wonder how "different" each of the shows is going to be. He's got a lot of material but is he really going to do a completely different set each show? The bad thing about the show is that they took all the chairs out of the room and sitting on the floor is even MORE painful than sitting on those damn f*cked-up Knitting Factory chairs that made one's *ss hurt almost instantly after sitting down on one of them. The BRILLIANT (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) thing about the show is that among the CD's and T-shirts for sale were orange plastic cones drawn upon by Robyn himself! $15 but they f*ckin' looked worth it! Pack an extra $15 when you come! Or have three fewer drinks than usual! TXC ------------------------------ From: Hackinaway@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 02:56:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fwd: Wed. Mar. 12 KF gig (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) I would be glad to send anyone 30 dollars if they'll pick me up a cone.....LOL....got to swell the folds of my obsession.... ---Vicci --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Wed. Mar. 12 KF gig (MERCHANDISE SPOILER) Date: 97-03-13 02:54:26 EST From: Hackinaway I would be glad to send anyone 30 dollars if they'll pick me up a cone.....LOL....got to swell the folds of my obsession.... ---Vicci ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:45:39 -0800 From: meketone@well.com (Ethyl Ketone) Subject: Explanations After listening to ME again and again, someone tell me what "A Happy bird is a Filthy Bird" is all about. Carrie "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 9:30:14 EST From: Jeff Rosedale Subject: the 12th How could the second show have been better than the first? I'm still scratching my head over this one. Early on in the set it was apparent that it was going to be a special evening. I actually got a pen and started writing things down. Muy head is cloudy from late nights back-to-back with workdays, but here's what I can reconstruct on the spot: I forgot what he opened with!!! (brain vaporized) but starting with the second song: Ghost Ship Daisy Bomb (great song, accompanied by Janes from stage door) this may be out of order but he played all these: Shuffling over the flagstones (!!!!!) Cool Bug Rumble Polly on the Shore Ride (incredible) Wreck of the Arthur Lee (electric) I am not me Man with a woman's shadow Raymond Chandler evening (with lots of tremolo or something) City of Shame Kingdom of Love (tremendous) (encore) Oceanside Speed of things Clean Steve (scintillating) 2 songs I don't know the title of: Long Gone (Syd barrett) Waterloo Sunset (Kinks) No reading at the end! The show was unbelievable. Sound was fine- problems from 3/11 were resolved. Guitar playing was pleasantly "live" and voice was perhaps the best I've heard. Add to that the fact that at least five or six songs he played were exactly what I wanted to hear at the time (who would have expected to play "shuffling" live?!) and I was really having a blast. *Someone* taped the show- this guy on the balcony was unpacking a DAT player out of the box before the show began! I'm glad this was documented because it was as good as any RH show I've seen. The show seemed a little less "talky" than the previous night, although Raymond Chandler eve. was punctuated by vocal interludes over the guitar, with pleasant psychedelic lounge effect. The reading at the beginning of the show was about bathtubs and was almost technical in nature- from some book called "the rest of your life", I think. Clean Steve was played after several crowd members shouted for it, and he obliged with a fine rendition. I was especially pleased to hear Kingdom of Love which I've always been fond of for some reason. My only question- how does he follow up a great set like this one? I guess the answer will be revealed 2-night! Oh yeah, Robyn mentioned that fruit par Robyn , autographed fruit, might be accompanying the cones on the merchandising table in the future. Also said that an on-stage combination of Robyn and the janes was not out of the question by Saturday. Till next time --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:54:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Explanations ======== Original Message ======== After listening to ME again and again, someone tell me what "A Happy bird is a Filthy Bird" is all about. Carrie "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== That's the tune that's been in my head all morning, owing to the fact that it was the last thing I heard through the walkman headphones during my morning jog (bitchin' comet, by the way, eh?). there have been a few theories about this discussed before--I think it's an anti-war thing. Others say it's a freedom thing. Robyn says it was inspired by a muddy duck he saw once which looked happy. This morning it occurred to me that a waddling duck searchng for food looks a sort of like it's muttering something to the gravel, so maybe that's where that line came from. Of course the big question in my mind is not "what's it about" but rather "Why didn't he phrase it the other way aroud?" -russ by the way, fave ME tracks: happy bird, sinister, Y & O. Speed of Things is right behind them, still in the playoff hunt. Also enjoy Cool Bug Rumble, Wide Open Star & Heliotrope from ML. in the changer: Robyn Hitchcock/Moss Elixir Bob Dylan/Blonde on Blonde Richard Thompson/Watching the Dark Greg Kihn/Horror Show REM/New Adventures in Hi Fi turntable: Kinks/Something Else on the floor, next to the stereo: Kinks/muswell hillbillies, Velvet Underground's third and a pair of sneakers. -russ (still) ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:45:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: knit fact Well, can't talk long, but a quick few words will never be enough anyway. The show was fabulous. Got a GREAT cone. It's a building, sprouting arms and legs, reaching too the sky, streching, finally saying "Oh-I've had too much, Sam", then flipping upside-down on it's head(?) Signed br Hitch and dated 97 REALLY comical. It was one of the only ones there with any words or thoughts. I couldn't really figure out what the heck some of the others were, but they did sell out. Robyn talked about Mick Jagger amoung many other thngs. The reading in the beginning is by no means a reading, just RH rambling on while turning the pages of the book. GREAT clean Steve. I yelled out "Use Baby Jesus Pick" and he said "I tried that for the soundcheck, but it didn't worka s well as the Hail Mary did." I'll write more later. He left by saying "See you in the future.." Shirt-hands printed all over (anchor shirt for Storefront Hitch) Cheers tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 09:03:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: the 12th to Jeff and everyone else who's posted reviews of the current shows--THANKS! these shows sound highly entertaining. I sure hope we get cones, lightbulbs and book readings when he makes it out west. >Oh yeah, Robyn mentioned that fruit par Robyn >, autographed fruit, might be accompanying the cones >on the merchandising table in the future. doesn't sound like a good idea to me. here's why: Spring Training, 1980-something...I'm standing at the corner of the Giants' dugout tossing baseballs to Greg Minton for him to sign. The third "baseball" I tossed him was actually an orange, He got a chuckle out of that...signed it and tossed it back. I've still got the baseballs, but the orange went moldy about the same time as his career did. -russ ------------------------------ From: "Rick Morrison" Subject: fruit par Robyn Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:10:49 -0800 > doesn't sound like a good idea to me. here's why:... > ...but the orange went moldy... Actually, I have an apple given to me by Cy Curnan of the Fixx about 10 years ago. It shrivelled and dried up, but never rotted because I kept it in the 'fridge in a paper bag. So the fruit may be a good idea if handled properly. Dede ---------- > From: Russ Reynolds > To: fegmaniax@ecto.org > Subject: Re: the 12th > Date: Thursday, March 13, 1997 9:03 AM > > to Jeff and everyone else who's posted reviews of the current shows--THANKS! > these shows sound highly entertaining. I sure hope we get cones, lightbulbs > and book readings when he makes it out west. > > >Oh yeah, Robyn mentioned that fruit par Robyn > >, autographed fruit, might be accompanying the cones > >on the merchandising table in the future. > > doesn't sound like a good idea to me. here's why: Spring Training, > 1980-something...I'm standing at the corner of the Giants' dugout tossing > baseballs to Greg Minton for him to sign. The third "baseball" I tossed him > was actually an orange, He got a chuckle out of that...signed it and tossed > it back. I've still got the baseballs, but the orange went moldy about the > same time as his career did. > > -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Subject: Cones... I'm just wondering what the cone prices range from? -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tipper Gore said to Lou Reed, "Lou Reed, how can we communicate better with our children?" Lou Reed responded, "We would probably have to sit down and talk about it over a bottle of scotch, and maybe, some crack." It's back! My lovely Humor Home page: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Rick Morrison" Subject: Cat's Cradle tape tree post Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:26:03 -0800 I'm sorry, but the post about the tape tree for the Cat's Cradle show on 3/3 got deleted from my mail somehow. I don't remember who sent it, but could you please send it again? I was at that show and would love to be a leaf on that tree, so I will need the form that was on that post. Believe me, I'm not totally incompetent; three people share this same 'net access account, which gets confusing sometimes.:) You could post directly to me if you don't wish to be redundant to everyone on the list. rmmorris@ix.netcom.com Dede ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:51:40 -0600 From: Cone #12 Subject: wonders of modern science A reminder to all fegs with a 28.8 or better connection, you can should be able to tune in the Knitting Factory shows via StreamWorks. Check out http://www.knittingfactory.com/TheClub.html. I haven't been able to check it during actual showtimes, but just now I was able to pull in a fuzzy shot of the empty stage so it seems the technology is in place--maybe you can even catch a soundcheck. Yes, a novelty, at best; the next best thing till a tape rolls around. Best not tell Robyn that we are watching him thus. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:44:02 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: GATHERING MOSS i will never be able to choose between 'sinister but happy' and 'filthy bird'. they are my favorites. when i first heard them live i was amazed. this album was a new experience for me since i was able to hear almost all of the songs in one form or another before the actual album came out. between the many shows i saw on his last tour, the several tapes i've gotten from this list, and old singles they were readily available; i was pretty familiar with the tunes. then comes _mossy liquor_ with outtakes, demos, and whatnot. all of this creates a preconcieved notion of what the songs SHOULD sound like on the album, when it really makes it easier for robyn to justify doing something very different for the album proper. now i understand what everyone was complaining about when _respect_ came out much differently than they had hoped. still, _moss elixer_ is a great album. stands up to any in his catalogue. does anyone have any information on how well it has sold? (AS AN ASIDE, I'D LIKE VERY MUCH TO REQUEST A COPY OF THE LIVE VERSIONS OF _RESPECT_ THAT HAD EVERYONE FOAMING AT THE MOUTH. SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I'LL SEND YOU A TAPE OR WE CAN ARRANGE SOMETHING ELSE.) let me say that i love the songs. now that i have different versions of many of the songs i can pick and choose MY favorites: alright yeah: love it. my favorite version is the one from _uncarved pumpkins_ with the constipated egyptians. the harmonies are awesome. the moss/y versions remind me of george harrison. the slide guitar sounds very cool though. is robyn's following in sweden bigger than we may have thought? as lemons chop: a cute little prototype. beautiful queen: every version sounds great, though the moss version has the best textural quality. the mossy strings are very nice. the live viola feedback was a bit much. cool bug rumble: "exterminator pass me by." i hadn't heard this one live, but i like it a lot. first song on my mossy mix tape. de chirico street: i've heard this song so many times it's not funny, but i still put my money on the mossy version. the moss vocal inflections have more character and the horns and whatnot have a wierd cartoon-like beatnick quality or something. the devil's radio: typifies the sound of moss compared to mossy. it's like the AM radio verses the FM radio versions. without the drums it has a more mystical quality. filthy bird: i've loved this one since i saw him do it. the live version has a little more energy to it and i've listened to it innumerable times. something about the lowest common denomenator. groovy chords. i'd really love to see them posted! heliotrope: a great song in any version. they all sound pretty similar. robyn stripped bare. mossy has that great outro instrumental. i am not me: the only real rocker on the album. doesn't sound much different than in concert. the moss violin doesn't add much to the song. man with a woman's shadow: this is the same version as the one on the 'i something you' single. the haunting harmonica makes for an intimate feel. shuffling along the flagstones: a beautiful instrumental along the lines of 'chinese water python' and 'heartful of leaves". it's great to have a copy without a door squeaking in the background and someone being hushed. sinister but happy: love it love it love it! the mossy version left me flat since it didn't have any of the deni flavorings that made the live version hit home. but the moss version is boss! this has my vote for the best song. the speed of things: very folky. it's much better sound quality than the _uncarved pumpkins_ version. could be an outtake (?) from _you & oblivion_. this is how it feels: i would have put 'alright, yeah' as the big finish, but this quiet one creeps up on you. i'd never heard it before. trilobite: goofy fun along the lines of 'dwarfbeat'. "a thousand years later they give him a name." wide open star: live or prototype, it doesn't change much. you and oblivion: i guess next album he'll have a song called 'moss elixir'. i really like the guitar bit at the end. KEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:55:17 +0500 From: Ken Frankel Subject: ME on shuffle; John Cale For the first five or ten listens ME didn't really do much for me. It was just OK. For some reason many of the songs sounded kind of similar to me, and it didn't seem to have many really high or low points. (This might be what others have meant about not having a favorite song on it). Anyhow, one night I put it in the player with some Byrds, Fairport, and Velvets, and hit shuffle. Hearing the songs out of context and sequence gave me a greater appreciation of them and their individual nuances. Now I really enjoy listening to it in sequence a lot more, and agree that it's one of his better works. Just to echo Miles' thoughts on the John Cale tour, I saw him two weeks ago in Delray Beach, and agree that it was a great show. However, the sequence here was that he started out playing more ballads, and gradually built up to a intense finish, including Fear is a Man's Best Friend, Leaving it up to You, and Pablo Picasso (the encore). Yes, the lead guitar player was great, kinda like Richard Lloyd, and he also played slide and steel. I didn't catch his name either. If you're not familiar with Cale's stuff, I'd recommend The Island Years, which has three great albums on 2 discs; Vintage Violence; and the amazing Paris 1919, for starters. There's a good web site on him at: http://faraday.ucd.ie/~eoin/johncale.html Another thought: if John Cale can play in South Florida could this mean that sometime in the next decade Robyn might? I'm not holding my breath! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:00:07 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: ME on shuffle; John Cale Ok kids, this is getting annoying. There IS a John Cale mailing list, and it definitely needs more active people, so join it and post over there. Wouldya? Wouldya? Huh? :) As some of what Ken wrote is advice for the Cale neophyte, however, I feel it's appropriate to comment on it in this forum. Any comments I might have to make about the live performance will go to the Cale list, tho :). On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Ken Frankel wrote: > I didn't catch his name either. If you're not familiar with > Cale's stuff, I'd recommend The Island Years, which has three > great albums on 2 discs Absolutely. A must have. Contains the near-impossible to find "Helen of Troy", my own favorite Cale album; "Fear", everyone else's favorite Cale album; and "Slow Dazzle", which seems to be most people's second or third choice :)). > Vintage Violence The first one I owned. That was three bucks well spent :). It made a believer outta me. > and the amazing > Paris 1919 OH yeah! I would especially recommend this record to fans of XTC or Roxy Music, as it will remind you very much of both (though of course, JC is sui generis). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:14:42 EST Subject: How do you work this thing? (NO RH) Anybody out there know the tuning for a cello? -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: the 12th also sprach Jeff Rosedale : >How could the second show have been better than the first? I'm still >scratching my head over this one. dunno. would have liked to have made it to both shows, but since i had to pick between tuesday and wednesday, i'm glad i picked the latter! >Ghost Ship >Daisy Bomb (great song, accompanied by Janes from stage door) you got 'em reversed -- "daisy bomb" was the opener. >this may be out of order but he played all these: >Shuffling over the flagstones (!!!!!) yeah, this was quite amazing -- robyn appeared to be really enjoying playing it, despite the difficulty. "cynthia mask" followed "flagstones". >Polly on the Shore this was marvelously haunting. he mentioned it learned it from a martin carthy record; i don't remember if anyone ever agreed on the source for this when the a&m covers tape was circulating. i'm assuming it's traditional. he then went on a ramble about how folk songs are handed down, mentioning ray davies of the kinks, which was a nice foreshadow for the encore. >Cool Bug Rumble don't really care for this song much, but it was groovy last night. >Ride (incredible) >Wreck of the Arthur Lee >(electric) >I am not me the only song duplicated from tuesday's show, i understand. >Man with a woman's shadow >Raymond Chandler evening (with lots of tremolo or something) and stories about los angeles. >City of Shame >Kingdom of Love (tremendous) >(encore) >Oceanside >Speed of things >Clean Steve (scintillating) >2 songs I don't know the title of: >Long Gone (Syd barrett) >Waterloo Sunset (Kinks) >*Someone* taped the show- this guy on the balcony was >unpacking a DAT player out of the box before the show began! someone? four someones, actually, one with two dats running. at least. none of us were able to get board feeds as all of the shows are being recorded for posterity by robyn and company. they were skittish about the taping -- not stopping anyone, but not wanting to know anything about it. i suspect this is warner brother's shadow looming... >My only question- how does he follow up a great set like this one? I >guess the answer will be revealed 2-night! bummer that i have a volleyball play-off and that we're short on people, else i'd be there. in any event, friday's tickets have been secured. anyone who wants to say hi and have their picture taken for the fegfoto thing should swing by the soundboard and way "woj" loudly (it's pronounced with a long "o", by the way -- /whoaj/. woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .